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Looking for more info on the Creator Races… [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Senka
07-31-07, 02:27 PM Where can I find information of the four non-human creator races of Toril, besides Serpent Kingdoms, which I have already scoured thoroughly? For the record, the races are the sarrukh (from Serpent Kingdoms), the batrachi (aquatic shapeshifters), the aearee (birdfolk) and the sylvans.

-Senka
Fillow
07-31-07, 03:11 PM That's what I firstly found :
Although five creator races existed in Faerūn, only four forged empires in the earliest days of recorded history (known today as the Days of Thunder), and only three contributed to the creation of the items now known as the Nether Scrolls.

The sarrukh, batrachi, and aearee each dominated Faerūn in turn, creating or producing as offspring a host of lesser races and recording the magic of more primitive peoples. The fey have never dominated the continent; they chose instead to rule Faerie, an otherworldly realm loosely connected to Faerūn. Humans, the last of the Iqua-Tel`Quessir, did not rise to rule Faerūn until after the Time of Dragons and the elven and dwarven empires.

Except for the humans, the fate of the creator races is largely unrecorded. A few sarrukh lurk in ancient ruins and southern jungles, but most of their kindred departed for other planes millennia ago. The batrachi may be extinct, although a few scholars believe they fled to Limbo, where they became known as slaadi. The aearee flew westward to the great continent north of Maztica, and nothing is known of their fate. The fey still rule Faerie, although the ties between their realm and Faerūn are growing faint. Humans continue to thrive, as do crossbreeds with partial ancestry, such as the yuan-ti.

and (not certified, source : Wiki)
The Creator Races discussed below are the ones of the fictional setting of Faerūn.

The five creator races (Iqua-Tel’Quessir in elven) of Faerūn are:

Sarrukh, also known as sauroids, ancestors of the serpents and the scalykind (with the notable exceptions of the saurials, which come from another crystal sphere and the ophidians, who are perverted humans);
Batrachi, also known as amphibioids, ancestors of the dopplegangers, kopru, kuo-toa, locothah, sivs, tako and others shapeshifters;
Aearee, also known as aerials, ancestors of aarakocra, dire corbies, kenkus, and other flying humanoids (with the notable exception of the avariel or winged elves);
Fairy folk, also known as sylvans, ancestors of the korred, brownies and pixies.
Humans, although some human ethnicities are immigrants from other Crystal spheres.
(Note that some sources list the dragons as a creator race and not the Aearee.)

The first three races once ruled all-powerful empires. The Nether Scrolls, which most of the power of the ancient Netherese can be traced back to, were created by the sarrukh, batrachi and aearee.

Nowadays, some sarrukh still wander parts of Anauroch, southern Mulhorand and Chult. No one knows what happened to the batrachi, but some suspect they are the Slaadi from Limbo. The aearee might have migrated to the west, and some think they inhabit flying cities above Anchorome (although spelljammers never noticed them). The fairy folk, who never showed much interest in Faerūn, still dominate their original world of Faerie (whence elves). This is presently the age of Mankind, but "everything that has a beginning has an end...".

or, third and last source for tonight, go there :
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Creator_Races
MarkusTay63
07-31-07, 04:12 PM There are Gray Richardson's articles - an unofficial take in the Candelkeep Compendiums, (http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm) volumes 3 and 7 cover the Batrachi and Aearee.

The Fey are perhaps the most elusive of all, because so much has been written about Fey races, but nothing about the race that spawned them all. WotC could probably do an entire book on them, and we still wouldn't know all that much.
Old Sage
07-31-07, 08:51 PM They've never received any great or particular focus, aside from Serpent Kingdoms. However the Creator Races were first mentioned by Paul Jaquays (the 'creator' of the concept) in FR5 The Savage Frontier and REF3 Lords of Darkness. See also Dragons of Faerūn and [i]Powers & Pantheons as well.

The upcoming Grand History of the Realms will also include new lore on the Creator Races.
Senka
08-02-07, 02:36 PM However the Creator Races were first mentioned by Paul Jaquays (the 'creator' of the concept) in FR5 The Savage Frontier and REF3 Lords of Darkness.

Are they among the TSR documents on the WotC website?

I’ve read all the other sources (Serpent Kingdoms, Drgaons of Faerūn and the Candelkeep Compendiums), but there is so much more that could be said about them. It’s just so tantalising!

Thanks for bringing the Compendiums and Dragons of Faerūn to my attention, though, as I hadn’t read that before…

Is there any other info about those flying cities north of Maztica?

-Senka
Old Sage
08-02-07, 08:01 PM The Savage Frontier is available as a free PDF download (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads) here at WotC. REF5 Lords of Darkness can be purchased as a PDF for just $4US (http://paizo.com/store/brand/forgottenRealms/roleplayingGames/1stEdition/v5748btpy7mcz&source=search) at the paizo.com website.
Iakhovas
08-02-07, 10:29 PM There are Gray Richardson's articles - an unofficial take in the Candelkeep Compendiums, (http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm) volumes 3 and 7 cover the Batrachi and Aearee.Parts of which will become official in another month. :eek: Gray's articles are fantastic. I cannot recommend them enough.
MarkusTay63
08-04-07, 02:05 AM I knew I was digging in the right palces. :D
Senka
08-10-07, 02:07 PM @ Old Sage: If its one of the TSR docs on that page, I’ve got it ;)

I’ll take a look at the Paizo site. There are a few other 2nd edition books I’d like to get my hands on, for flavour reasons only, of course!

@ Iakhovas: How are they becoming official?

-Senka
MarkusTay63
08-10-07, 02:33 PM LOL

since Iakhovas = Brian R. James, one can only assume he is refering to his eagerly anticipated tome, The Grand History of the Realms.

I would have provided a link, but I can't find one anywhere on the WotC site - even with a thorough search. Very odd........

Here's a Link (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9780786947317) to the B&N bookstore, at least.

Brian, why is is it so hard to find ANYTHING about this here at Wizards? Isn't it kinda peculiar? It's not like it's a 'Classified State Secret' or something...

or is it... :incog: ?
Gray Richardson
08-12-07, 10:23 AM Parts of which will become official in another month. :eek:Really?! Woo hoo! :w00t:

I am truly humbled and honored if any of my ideas have helped to contribute to the wonderful lore of the Realms. :cloud9:
Senka
08-16-07, 12:46 PM Ahh, I’m even more likely to buy it now, especially if it was stuff on the very early ages of Toril (i.e. Imaskar and before) and the other continents (Maztica, Zakhara, etc).

-Senka
nyysjan
08-17-07, 07:58 AM humans are a creator race :ahem:

weren't creator races supposed to be these semi godlike ultra powerfull critters mightier than most of the present gods?

(sorry, not much of a lore buff when it comes to FR)
_Velict_
08-19-07, 12:28 AM humans are a creator race :ahem:

weren't creator races supposed to be these semi godlike ultra powerfull critters mightier than most of the present gods?

(sorry, not much of a lore buff when it comes to FR)

Somewhat. Creator Races are more or less the oldest native races of Faerun, and do indeed include the (barbaric) humans among them.

While the Creator Races contain some powerful members in them (It's not uncommon for sarrukh to have CRs around 50, and some dragons obtain similar power), as a whole they are not as powerful as deities.

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Senka 07-31-07, 02:27 PM	Where can I find information of the four non-human creator races of Toril, besides Serpent Kingdoms, which I have already scoured thoroughly? For the record, the races are the sarrukh (from Serpent Kingdoms), the batrachi (aquatic shapeshifters), the aearee (birdfolk) and the sylvans. -Senka
Fillow 07-31-07, 03:11 PM	That's what I firstly found : Although five creator races existed in Faerūn, only four forged empires in the earliest days of recorded history (known today as the Days of Thunder), and only three contributed to the creation of the items now known as the Nether Scrolls. The sarrukh, batrachi, and aearee each dominated Faerūn in turn, creating or producing as offspring a host of lesser races and recording the magic of more primitive peoples. The fey have never dominated the continent; they chose instead to rule Faerie, an otherworldly realm loosely connected to Faerūn. Humans, the last of the Iqua-Tel`Quessir, did not rise to rule Faerūn until after the Time of Dragons and the elven and dwarven empires. Except for the humans, the fate of the creator races is largely unrecorded. A few sarrukh lurk in ancient ruins and southern jungles, but most of their kindred departed for other planes millennia ago. The batrachi may be extinct, although a few scholars believe they fled to Limbo, where they became known as slaadi. The aearee flew westward to the great continent north of Maztica, and nothing is known of their fate. The fey still rule Faerie, although the ties between their realm and Faerūn are growing faint. Humans continue to thrive, as do crossbreeds with partial ancestry, such as the yuan-ti. and (not certified, source : Wiki) The Creator Races discussed below are the ones of the fictional setting of Faerūn. The five creator races (Iqua-Tel’Quessir in elven) of Faerūn are: Sarrukh, also known as sauroids, ancestors of the serpents and the scalykind (with the notable exceptions of the saurials, which come from another crystal sphere and the ophidians, who are perverted humans); Batrachi, also known as amphibioids, ancestors of the dopplegangers, kopru, kuo-toa, locothah, sivs, tako and others shapeshifters; Aearee, also known as aerials, ancestors of aarakocra, dire corbies, kenkus, and other flying humanoids (with the notable exception of the avariel or winged elves); Fairy folk, also known as sylvans, ancestors of the korred, brownies and pixies. Humans, although some human ethnicities are immigrants from other Crystal spheres. (Note that some sources list the dragons as a creator race and not the Aearee.) The first three races once ruled all-powerful empires. The Nether Scrolls, which most of the power of the ancient Netherese can be traced back to, were created by the sarrukh, batrachi and aearee. Nowadays, some sarrukh still wander parts of Anauroch, southern Mulhorand and Chult. No one knows what happened to the batrachi, but some suspect they are the Slaadi from Limbo. The aearee might have migrated to the west, and some think they inhabit flying cities above Anchorome (although spelljammers never noticed them). The fairy folk, who never showed much interest in Faerūn, still dominate their original world of Faerie (whence elves). This is presently the age of Mankind, but "everything that has a beginning has an end...". or, third and last source for tonight, go there : http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Creator_Races
MarkusTay63 07-31-07, 04:12 PM	There are Gray Richardson's articles - an unofficial take in the Candelkeep Compendiums, (http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm) volumes 3 and 7 cover the Batrachi and Aearee. The Fey are perhaps the most elusive of all, because so much has been written about Fey races, but nothing about the race that spawned them all. WotC could probably do an entire book on them, and we still wouldn't know all that much.
Old Sage 07-31-07, 08:51 PM	They've never received any great or particular focus, aside from Serpent Kingdoms. However the Creator Races were first mentioned by Paul Jaquays (the 'creator' of the concept) in FR5 The Savage Frontier and REF3 Lords of Darkness. See also Dragons of Faerūn and [i]Powers & Pantheons as well. The upcoming Grand History of the Realms will also include new lore on the Creator Races.
Senka 08-02-07, 02:36 PM	However the Creator Races were first mentioned by Paul Jaquays (the 'creator' of the concept) in FR5 The Savage Frontier and REF3 Lords of Darkness. Are they among the TSR documents on the WotC website? I’ve read all the other sources (Serpent Kingdoms, Drgaons of Faerūn and the Candelkeep Compendiums), but there is so much more that could be said about them. It’s just so tantalising! Thanks for bringing the Compendiums and Dragons of Faerūn to my attention, though, as I hadn’t read that before… Is there any other info about those flying cities north of Maztica? -Senka
Old Sage 08-02-07, 08:01 PM	The Savage Frontier is available as a free PDF download (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads) here at WotC. REF5 Lords of Darkness can be purchased as a PDF for just $4US (http://paizo.com/store/brand/forgottenRealms/roleplayingGames/1stEdition/v5748btpy7mcz&source=search) at the paizo.com website.
Iakhovas 08-02-07, 10:29 PM	There are Gray Richardson's articles - an unofficial take in the Candelkeep Compendiums, (http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm) volumes 3 and 7 cover the Batrachi and Aearee.Parts of which will become official in another month. :eek: Gray's articles are fantastic. I cannot recommend them enough.
MarkusTay63 08-04-07, 02:05 AM	I knew I was digging in the right palces. :D
Senka 08-10-07, 02:07 PM	@ Old Sage: If its one of the TSR docs on that page, I’ve got it ;) I’ll take a look at the Paizo site. There are a few other 2nd edition books I’d like to get my hands on, for flavour reasons only, of course! @ Iakhovas: How are they becoming official? -Senka
MarkusTay63 08-10-07, 02:33 PM	LOL since Iakhovas = Brian R. James, one can only assume he is refering to his eagerly anticipated tome, The Grand History of the Realms. I would have provided a link, but I can't find one anywhere on the WotC site - even with a thorough search. Very odd........ Here's a Link (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?r=1&ean=9780786947317) to the B&N bookstore, at least. Brian, why is is it so hard to find ANYTHING about this here at Wizards? Isn't it kinda peculiar? It's not like it's a 'Classified State Secret' or something... or is it... :incog: ?
Gray Richardson 08-12-07, 10:23 AM	Parts of which will become official in another month. :eek:Really?! Woo hoo! :w00t: I am truly humbled and honored if any of my ideas have helped to contribute to the wonderful lore of the Realms. :cloud9:
Senka 08-16-07, 12:46 PM	Ahh, I’m even more likely to buy it now, especially if it was stuff on the very early ages of Toril (i.e. Imaskar and before) and the other continents (Maztica, Zakhara, etc). -Senka
nyysjan 08-17-07, 07:58 AM	humans are a creator race :ahem: weren't creator races supposed to be these semi godlike ultra powerfull critters mightier than most of the present gods? (sorry, not much of a lore buff when it comes to FR)
_Velict_ 08-19-07, 12:28 AM	humans are a creator race :ahem: weren't creator races supposed to be these semi godlike ultra powerfull critters mightier than most of the present gods? (sorry, not much of a lore buff when it comes to FR) Somewhat. Creator Races are more or less the oldest native races of Faerun, and do indeed include the (barbaric) humans among them. While the Creator Races contain some powerful members in them (It's not uncommon for sarrukh to have CRs around 50, and some dragons obtain similar power), as a whole they are not as powerful as deities.