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| fateoptional04-08-04, 05:24 PM | It was a terrible choice of the authors to not include spells and items that were left untouched from 3.0 to 3.5. Now, instead of a convenient book or set of books where everything you need to know for 3.5 Faerun is located we still have to search through tons of other books for any spell the left the same. Horrible choice. Probably made for space considerations. What, they didn't think most of us would buy two volumes? I'll encourage my player friends to share a common book since ownership doesn't save us much.:mad: |
| Mystery Man04-08-04, 07:36 PM | ....or how about those that weren't in the 3.5 books are fine as is. Just an observation. :rolleyes: |
| Andyr04-08-04, 07:55 PM | Hang on... I thought the 3.5E books were an updated reprint of the 3E ones - are you saying that you need to own *both* the 3E and 3.5E versions of the books? |
| Metis04-08-04, 08:02 PM | Yep, to make use of the comprehensive spell list you'd need the older material too. |
| Andyr04-08-04, 08:20 PM | I only have the 3E stuff. I wasn't going to bother with 3.5E as I thought it was largely errata and some tweaks. With the books I don't have, though, I was going to get just the 3.5E ones and not bother with the 3E. But if the 3E ones are still needed for everything, I dunno what to do. |
| The_Declaration04-08-04, 08:56 PM | I totally agree with you Fateoptional, that's really the kind of things that would have pushed PGoF from: average to good. Because so far i only like the regional feats part. But imagine how thick and expensive it would have been: add 70 page of spells form MoF, and then spells from other books. And even after that PGoF would have lacked spells that will be published in the coming supplements (Shining South etc.) |
| Bloodtide_the_Red04-09-04, 01:55 AM | Too bad they could not just make something like 'The Compleat book of Spells' or 'Compleat book of Prestige Classes'. They could take the stuff, all ready in print, and just put it in one book. Just the crunchy stuff mind you. Save the flavor stuff for the books. It would be nice to have a Realms Spellbook. One book I can flip to to find a realms spell. Right now you have to flip through a good six or so book to get all the spells....plus the PH. TRS did start to do this before they went away, and even had the idea of annual books listing all this stuff from a year...... BT |
| Ranger REG04-09-04, 03:56 AM | What's wrong with Magic of Faerun if you have PGtF to update the the relevant content in that book? You want them to revise all of their current product line to 3.5e? IMHO, not a good business move, especially for us current owner. If the PG left spells in MoF unchanged, then those unchanged spells must still be usable. AFAIC, the PG only updates the books still in print, not replace them entirely. I'd be :rant: if they do. |
| Archangel04-09-04, 04:33 AM | Too bad they could not just make something like 'The Compleat book of Spells' or 'Compleat book of Prestige Classes'. A good idea, I would buy that! |
| Mystery Man04-09-04, 08:46 AM | :banghead: |
| Lashan04-09-04, 11:22 AM | I think the reason that they didn't include all of it was due to not wanting the book to be filled with "lots of old 3E stuff that was just converted" theory. I have heard a lot of wailing and nashing of people who say that the new book is simply a conversion to 3.5E and that they don't want it. I know that you say they should have put in all the old stuff AND added in as much new stuff as they did. Sure, it would have been nice, but I don't think it was realistic. I think even someone looking at a percentage thing would say "Oh, only 30% of it is new, so I don't want it". I think that there were also costs and other things to consider. I'm happy with the book, even though I think the entire portions on epic play and psionics are an absolute waste for me. |
| fateoptional04-11-04, 03:12 PM | I hear what y'all are saying but I still think it's poppycock. When you make such a new step forward a key is being comprehensive. There were already to many damn books to keep track of as is. This just made one more. |
| Ranger REG04-12-04, 05:48 AM | So you want a new comprehensive book that made the old books purchased obsolete, and thus a complete waste of fund? I take it you're an immediate 3.5e rulebooks owner. I'm not. I use the 3.5e SRD to update my 3e rulebooks. :smirk: |
| Gez04-12-04, 07:56 AM | Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they had included the non-modified rule material, everyone would be screaming bloody murder, "but it's just gratuitous padding" "I already had them, thank you very much, that's just a waste of paper" "you could have put that or that instead" and so on. There's a decision to take, and it's not possible to please every one. Especially given that there's pleasing customers, and there's pleasing "bean counters". There are ways to please about every customers, but it's going to drive the company bankrupt... |
| protonik04-13-04, 02:49 AM | Y'know, I call this kind of thing anality... When TSR released the revised second edition books they didn't revise any and all spells previously published so why should all the spells in, say, Magic of Faerun be revised? It isn't really all that different and man, except for some class changes and the alterations to the MM, I really haven't noticed a lot of game breaking differences in 3.5 from 3.0. Yeah the changes are more extensive the 2E revised, but they aren't so extensive as to warrant a new edition. If a spell isn't revised... use the currently published one. Not a big deal. I don't want WOTC publishing new books just to convert a book that is only about 2 years old over to their slightly changed magic system. Jason |
| pblogic04-15-04, 02:17 PM | Originally posted by protonik Y'know, I call this kind of thing anality... When TSR released the revised second edition books they didn't revise any and all spells previously published so why should all the spells in, say, Magic of Faerun be revised? It isn't really all that different and man, except for some class changes and the alterations to the MM, I really haven't noticed a lot of game breaking differences in 3.5 from 3.0. Yeah the changes are more extensive the 2E revised, but they aren't so extensive as to warrant a new edition. If a spell isn't revised... use the currently published one. Not a big deal. I don't want WOTC publishing new books just to convert a book that is only about 2 years old over to their slightly changed magic system. Jason What are the actual differences between the new and the old magic system? |
| The_Declaration04-15-04, 04:19 PM | protonik, i understood the point of the guy not as updating all spells, but to include updated spells and non-updated spells. The goal of that f-ucking thing is supposed to give you everything you need to create characters in the FR. That's why it would be nice to have all PrC, feats and spells in this book (i'm ignoring here the matter of price). Well, like it is for any player's guide like the ones of Exalted or Fading Suns. Well that god-dam-ned thing is unfortunately nothing more than a 30 dollars update. |
| Autosponge04-15-04, 08:35 PM | I want ever book I purchase added to my searchable database in electronic format maybe with some keyword word done as well. I still use several 2nd ed sources for vital campaign information about NPCs, locales, and organizations (not to mention plot ideas). No single edition has stood on its own when you're talking about a campaign world, so why start now? You can wish all you want for things, doesn't mean it's going to make it come true. I've put aside my wish for a searchable database for every book I buy--I suggest you put aside your wishes for comprehensive reprints of the FR. It's far too expensive to produce and ship and the sales projections are probably abyssmal which = never going to happen. In the end WotC operates a business. Their decisions must be driven by the bottom line or they'll go the way of TSR and a million other game companies. I personally thank them that the founder of WotC (Richard Garfield) was a math professor and knew something about crunching numbers. In the end, decisions like the ones they've made regarding the FR product line allow us to play the game we love--a rich and ever evolving world of fantasy, and employ geniuses like that of Ed Greenwood--whom without WotC may be an english professor somewhere trying to improve on the Lord of the Rings as his life's work never to be published. |
| pblogic04-15-04, 08:57 PM | Originally posted by Autosponge I want ever book I purchase added to my searchable database in electronic format maybe with some keyword word done as well. I still use several 2nd ed sources for vital campaign information about NPCs, locales, and organizations (not to mention plot ideas). No single edition has stood on its own when you're talking about a campaign world, so why start now? You can wish all you want for things, doesn't mean it's going to make it come true. I've put aside my wish for a searchable database for every book I buy--I suggest you put aside your wishes for comprehensive reprints of the FR. It's far too expensive to produce and ship and the sales projections are probably abyssmal which = never going to happen. In the end WotC operates a business. Their decisions must be driven by the bottom line or they'll go the way of TSR and a million other game companies. I personally thank them that the founder of WotC (Richard Garfield) was a math professor and knew something about crunching numbers. In the end, decisions like the ones they've made regarding the FR product line allow us to play the game we love--a rich and ever evolving world of fantasy, and employ geniuses like that of Ed Greenwood--whom without WotC may be an english professor somewhere trying to improve on the Lord of the Rings as his life's work never to be published. You have finally made it understood why wizards is < than TSR MATH math sux. |
| Graz'zt, Prince of Shadow04-18-04, 09:40 AM | Actually math is exactly why Wotc > TSR. WotC knows 'income > costs' in order to stay in business. The goal of that f-ucking thing is supposed to give you everything you need to create characters in the FR. That's why it would be nice to have all PrC, feats and spells in this book (i'm ignoring here the matter of price). Well, like it is for any player's guide like the ones of Exalted or Fading Suns. The problem with this idea is that the very next source book would make the PGtF obsolete because it would include PrCs, feats, and spells not in the PGtF. |
| Straploknight04-18-04, 11:45 AM | Th-at w-as al-mo-st an im-pressive use of hy-phen-ated spel-ling Dec. Al-mo-st :rolleyes: |
| pblogic04-18-04, 05:54 PM | Originally posted by Graz'zt, Prince of Shadow Actually math is exactly why Wotc > TSR. WotC knows 'income > costs' in order to stay in business. Well , I hear this slung aroudn alot, and at this point it seems to me to be nothing more than hear say. Someone assumes that a campnay was going to fail, so another bought them. However I haven't seen any proof of this. So, unless someone can provide me with some links to a reputable news source that confirms this, I don't see any reason to give it any more weight than a very biased guess. |
| Straploknight04-18-04, 10:04 PM | Well the bottom line is the bottom line. People might enter into this industry because they have genuine love for RPGs however as I like to point out to my friends and work associates. Love don't pay da bills. I didn't see the PGtF as the end all be all player accessory for the realms. It was an update of existing material and modifications to FR as a result of incorperating FR ideas into mainstream D&D as well as making FR compatible with 3.5. Anywhosit, because the creative talent needs to earn a living and FR is a viable product line. There will be new products coming down the pipe for the foreseable future. Products which will build on and supersede the PGtF. Now if your unmentionables are all twisted into a knot because the PGtF is not the definitive source for all your PC needs, my suggestion is to quit buying new FR products all together. That way the PGtF will (at least to a point) be your definitive player book never growing obsolete as the march of time rolls on. That said, I would plunk down big bucks for a premium version of a 3.5 FRCS that incorperated as much information from the accessories as possible as well as all the updated information. I'm even willing to wait a year or two for it. Something on the order of about 3 times the current size of the FRCS. Hopefully this (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/4627.html) will prove the idea of a premium product viable. |
| ender04-23-04, 05:01 PM | Originally posted by pblogic Well , I hear this slung aroudn alot, and at this point it seems to me to be nothing more than hear say. Someone assumes that a campnay was going to fail, so another bought them. However I haven't seen any proof of this. So, unless someone can provide me with some links to a reputable news source that confirms this, I don't see any reason to give it any more weight than a very biased guess. Here you go. http://www.dragonlance.com/features/faqs/afdl.asp?section=7#7-1 7.1 Did TSR go bankrupt? Also: http://www.greententacles.com/articles/1/15/ |