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ssvegeta555 07-29-03, 03:22 PM	Forgooten Realms is a great setting and so many books have been made to tell more about the realms. But little is touched about the history of the realms. So this new book can tell about a lot of teh important history of the realms. Hers how I see teh chapters laid out. Chapter 1 Ceration of Toril: Well obvously this will tell in detail out how toril was created and tells about the Gods War. Maybe tell how the planes got created. Chapter 2 Creator Races: Tell about teh creator races in great detail, and tell about the Time of Dragons in detail. Chapter 3 The Flowering: Talks about the other races to arrive in Toril in deatail. Chapter 4 before Dale reckoning: Tells all about the important stuff of the realms before the dale reckoning, like Netheril, Crown wars and other important events. Chapter 5 Dale reckoning: Tells about the improtant stuff of the everts after the dale reckoning. Like Hellgate keep, Time of Trouble. Chapter 6 NPCs: This will tell the history of important NPCs. Lie why did Elimster become chosen of mistra and how old the geezer any ways. Maybe a picture of what he looks like when he was young. Appendix: This will list feats, magic items artifacts and spells. A main artifact they could mention is the Nether Scrolls. Some spells they could mention are the poweful spells that were used in Netheral like the spell that crates the floating mountains, Mythallars, and it would be nice to se what the spell Karsus created to achieve God hood. Most likely these would eb epic spells. Any thoughts comments.
Jerendath 07-29-03, 04:31 PM	It seeems a cool idea, just like the silmarillion, like a forgotten realms bible. I would buy it :D It would be pretty cool if R A Salvatore could write the book!
Gotrex 07-29-03, 04:58 PM	Yeh id definatly buy it except id want Ed greenwood to write it dont like Salvatore much :P
ssvegeta555 07-29-03, 07:29 PM	I dont know much of Salvatore's work. But Ed Greenwood did good job on FRCS. Hey WotC if your out of ideas than this book will be a great choice. But I know your not out of ideas since your making new books like theres no tommorow.
Faeryl Zauvirr 07-29-03, 09:08 PM	What about adventure materials? Dragonlance will be bringing out compainions which highlight playing campaigns in different eras. Wouldn't that be good for Forgottern Realms. I have always wanted to play a campaign during the time dragons ruled and when elves where first discovering magic.
ssvegeta555 07-29-03, 11:54 PM	Originally posted by Faeryl Zauvirr What about adventure materials? Dragonlance will be bringing out compainions which highlight playing campaigns in different eras. Wouldn't that be good for Forgottern Realms. I have always wanted to play a campaign during the time dragons ruled and when elves where first discovering magic. That would be cool. It would most liekly make the book huge like 320 pages.... Nice the bigger the better. :smirk:
Jerendath 07-30-03, 12:02 AM	Ed Greenwood would be a very nice choice for the job too. I said Salvatore, and still would like it to be, 'cause I am a Drizzt maniac, the way he tells the story makes me want to read all at once, I can't stop reading the books. The description of the characters using magic items is very intersting, he makes it make sense. His style is highly addictive!! but, that's me! ;)
ssvegeta555 07-30-03, 12:17 AM	That would be cool. I say if they make this book they Ed Greenwood and Salvatore should work together. 2 great minds can make one ecxelent book. Oh by the way, I'm assuming you are reading the book "The Thousand Orcs"? If so how is it it looks really cool.
Faraer 07-30-03, 08:38 AM	I and many other people would love to see such a book, which would be an invaluable resource in seeding campaigns, giving PCs context, and to understand the shape of Faerūn's history which is now (apart from the overview in the FRCS) scattered through hundreds of sourcebooks, novels and articles. That same factor would make it a herculean task to compile and write, though it could bring into print work done by George Krashos and others on the histories of Cormyr, the Sword Coast North, and Impiltur, and who knows what hitherto unseen lore from Ed. We should remember that there are big gaps in the established history of Toril, and that any single volume would necessarily give a misleading shape and emphasis to a history that is wide and dense and many-stranded. WotC employees, though, have said that the priority for sourcebooks is to be immediately applicable to playing D&D and (unsurprisingly) to appeal to as many people as possible. There's a belief that the history is only of real interest to a minority. I don't believe the company has data available that directly backs that up; I certainly don't either, but I'm confident that a historical book with all the life and verisimilitude and directness that Ed brings -- just read FOR4 The Code of the Harpers, or Cormyr: A Novel -- would appeal to a lot of people. Fewer than would buy, say, Unapproachable East? Maybe, but in that case it's just a pity that Wizards doesn't license such Realmslore books to companies with lower overheads who could make good profits from them. (I believe there are enough Realms fans that the most obscure Realmslore from Ed's basement would find a profitable audience if published in expensive limited editions as by the fantasy and horror small press, and even increase WotC's own sales.) Despite what you say, a great amount of history has been published, down the years. One of the ingredients of almost any good secondary world is history that is immanent, whose influences and meanings are inherited by later times. One of the things that first sparked people's interest in the Realms is the evocative history that Ed gave to magic items and spellbooks in his Dragon articles. In some ways the sense that the world has long existed outside the events of your campaign is more important than the actual body of lore; but the best way for DMs to create that sense is indeed to have much of that material to hand so the stuff they make up hangs together; no problem for Ed Greenwood, who has the Realms in his head, but tricky for any DM without a large Realms library. The earliest times should stay mythic and legendary, with much not known for sure, since demystification is a real risk. I'd love to see a work that gave a true picture of each unfolding century; the 13th century DR, for example, is a much more fascinating (and game-worthy) time than the glimpse you get from the piecemeal events told in the FRCS. Such a book could also be a helpful primer for the events of the latest WotC "present" and so appeal to novel readers. The book shouldn't hang disproportionately on the characters who are important to the Realms as a commercial property; even when those characters are also important to history, so are many others. (Elminster was born in 212 DR, the Year of Awakening Magic, and there are pictures of him as a young man, and woman, in Elminster: The Making of a Mage.) It should have a glossary of realms now gone, emigration maps, and other such fine stuff.
kedi 07-30-03, 12:27 PM	Originally posted by ssvegeta555 it would be nice to se what the spell Karsus created to achieve God hood. Most likely these would eb epic spells. I'm writing the 2E spell copied from the encyclopedia arcana: Karsus's Avatar (Invocation/Evocation, Enchantment/Charm, Alteration) Level: 12 Range: Unlimited Duration: Unlimited Area of affect: One god Field: Mantalism Components:v,s,m Casting Time: 6 hours Saving Throw: Special
kedi 07-30-03, 12:30 PM	Originally posted by ssvegeta555 it would be nice to se what the spell Karsus created to achieve God hood. Most likely these would eb epic spells. :devil:
kedi 07-30-03, 12:49 PM	Originally posted by ssvegeta555 it would be nice to se what the spell Karsus created to achieve God hood. Most likely these would be epic spells. Hey everybody, epic spells (including Karsus's avatar ) is found in the internet adress below http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71467
Iakhovas 07-30-03, 02:07 PM	It is an excellent suggestion Faraer, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for WOTC to wake up and release such a sourcebook. Who knows, the new "Serpent Kingdoms" accessory is a departure from countless cormyr/dalelands/waterdeep sourcebooks. I'm just hoping that the "Serpent Kingdoms" contains a history of these new regions, with at least as much detail as was provided in "Unapproachable East".
Jerendath 07-31-03, 11:22 AM	As a matter of fact, in the that prism, that would be a lot of books, detailing a lot of different steps. It would make the realms a middle earth like world, with the detalis of aspects of language, cultural features, how the history affected every different part of the realms, the races, the evolution of the races in the course of time, the consequenses descripted. I would almost certainly buy it! You bet, I would buy it all!! ED and BOB, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!:bow:
ssvegeta555 07-31-03, 04:47 PM	Originally posted by Jerendath As a matter of fact, in the that prism, that would be a lot of books, detailing a lot of different steps. It would make the realms a middle earth like world, with the detalis of aspects of language, cultural features, how the history affected every different part of the realms, the races, the evolution of the races in the course of time, the consequenses descripted. I would almost certainly buy it! You bet, I would buy it all!! ED and BOB, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!:bow: I agree. :bow: :bigeyes:
Herr Doktor 08-01-03, 01:21 AM	I don't know about you guys... but if you're talking about authors who'd be important in the writing of Faerūn's history I would count Salvatore out. He hasn't written too much on past events and has been more focused on some key characters. Ed Greenwood and Elaine Cunningham (along with other authors who's names I don't know off-hand) have written stories set in different time periods, some that dealt with some rather important events. I think they'd be better suited to write Faerūn's history.
BobROE 08-01-03, 02:44 AM	I'd say that Steven E. Schend, Ed Greenwood, and Eric L. Boyd should write this (not like it'll ever happen). Steven cause if you've read Empire of the Shining Sea or Lands of Intrigue you know that he can write pages and pages of history without trouble. Ed cause he created the setting and is good at writting in the useful little adventure hooks. And Eric cause he's really good at finding all the obscure little references to things. I'd throw Sean K. Reynolds in as well to write any of the mechanical stuff since he's good at combining the mechanics (ie PrC and feats) with realms flavour. This book will never happen since when 3E was released they said they're trying to cut the amount of history back because it's not really that useful (as interesting as it may be to read). (I mean compare EotSS which has 42 pages of history on calimshan alone, or LoI which has 40 pages of history on Amn and Tethyr with UE which has 6 pages of history on the 5 countries in it, it's just as important to most people)
Faraer 08-01-03, 11:32 AM	No, I don't expect to be reading this book any time soon. I hope I managed to make it sound exciting and plausible, though; and let's not take WotC assertions that history isn't important to most as fact.
Jerendath 08-01-03, 01:33 PM	Despite Robert Salvatore haven't writed any book concernig historical facts, he has a very unique style that can be surely used in a work like this. If he and Greenwood work together, where Ed enters with the knowledge and Bob with the narrative, it would be a very nice reading. And I agree that history isn't important, ok, but even being not important that doesn't make less interesting. And that“s it.
BobROE 08-01-03, 01:48 PM	I didn't mean that history isn't important rather that WotC doesn't seem to think that history is important.
Faraer 08-01-03, 01:49 PM	To the *Realms*, history is undeniably important. I don't know of a good secondary world in which it isn't. The point of the Realms as a campaign setting is that it's a vital world in which context and history give everything resonance and meaning. How important it is to Realms readers, though, is disputed. It doesn't make sense to ask Bob Salvatore, who has no particular interest or knowledge in the history of the Realms, and makes more money with his fiction, to pen a work of Realms history instead of the Realms' original and continual creator -- who I think is a better prose stylist per se, but is unambiguously the guy to write about the history of the Realms as he's done in scores of published works already.
Jerendath 08-01-03, 04:26 PM	Originally posted by BobROE I didn't mean that history isn't important rather that WotC doesn't seem to think that history is important. I know that you didn't said that history wasn't important, faraer did. And we are just discussing how cool it would be, if he is or not interested who knows? I don't. So, anyway, they could write it. I know that they won't, but they could.
ssvegeta555 08-01-03, 05:07 PM	Originally posted by Jerendath I know that you didn't said that history wasn't important, faraer did. And we are just discussing how cool it would be, if he is or not interested who knows? I don't. So, anyway, they could write it. I know that they won't, but they could. They could write it, but I doubt it as you said. But if we get a petition up that poeple would buy the book if it was made. But that would be a massive one.
bomaya0 08-01-03, 06:52 PM	Originally posted by Iakhovas Who knows, the new "Serpent Kingdoms" accessory is a departure from countless cormyr/dalelands/waterdeep sourcebooks. I'm just hoping that the "Serpent Kingdoms" contains a history of these new regions, with at least as much detail as was provided in "Unapproachable East". Serpent Kingdoms???? I've obviously missed meeting. When? What? Who? leigh
Faraer 08-01-03, 06:58 PM	I know that you didn't said that history wasn't important, faraer did.Someone defend my honour!They could write it, but I doubt it as you said. But if we get a petition up that poeple would buy the book if it was made. But that would be a massive one.Internet petitions achieve absolutely nothing.When? What? Who?Serpent Kingdoms was announced at Gen Con and mentioned by Eric Boyd in the Gen Con 2003 thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?threadid=68273). It's the sourcebook Ed's been working on.
Ivy 08-01-03, 08:36 PM	Jerendath: Faraer said: To the *Realms*, history is undeniably important. Don't worry Faraer, I've got your back! ;)
Jerendath 08-01-03, 09:25 PM	Sorry Faraer, I didn't express myself properly, I understood what you said, that for the realms it is important, but for game it isn't, and I agree, what I waS trying tos say was that history can be of lilttle importance to gameplay, but is intersting anyway. Sorry again.
Selvarin 08-02-03, 05:40 AM	Hmm, a lot to read so late in the night for me. :) OK, lemme roll through... I think that a FR Lorebook is feasible, albeit unlikely to be OK'd by those who hold the deed to WotC. Where the chain of command is much shorter (i.e., within a smaller company), one would have more than a snowball's chance in Zimbabwe to see it happen. Nonetheless, it could be done. I agree in that the 'early times' should be kept murky, all the stuff about elves, dwarves, and so on coming through portals X-thousands of years ago takes away the wonderment a bit. And I feel that while more detail is welcomed in such a book I'd be happy enough just to see that it is accurate . (The bit in the elven section of roF regarding the Dark Disaster ticked me off, 'nuff said). I don't wish for it to read just like a history book, however, because that tends to put people to sleep--and then it'll only sell 10,000 units, whereupon they'll bury the concept will for good. ("More cunchy chips, less fluffy bunnies.") Personally, I'd like to see the spotlight on a few important individuals in each section (not exactly adventurers nor novel characters per se), to make it more interesting. For example, I don't see a problem with the inclusion of info on the magic (and vileness) of Shoon in the Lands of Intrigue section. And perhaps a few short stories interspersed through the whole of the book would be a good thing, to better set the tone for a certain time or place. maps for certain time periods would be nice, too, but I suspect there'd be little room for that. It would have to add to the FR fan's enjoyment of the setting, not drag it down with too much minutae. So, I support the idea although (as with DM Tools) there may be some differences of opinion in how it should be developed and implemented.