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kaeso
08-01-05, 03:25 PM i jsut bought the city of hte spider queen adventure for $30, then looked at the release date and realized its v. 3.0! NOOOOOOOOO can i run it in 3.5 anyways? wil the different stats make a big difference? will i have to change all these different stats?! HELP ME!
WVgamer
08-01-05, 03:28 PM there was a web enhancement, not for CotSQ, but another book, that updated everything that needed to be updated. I'd look it up, but I'm too lazy at the moment.

EDIT: here's the link:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040313a
kaeso
08-01-05, 03:43 PM ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom
WVgamer
08-01-05, 03:47 PM we all have our feelings against WotC. Sorry, man
GothicDan
08-01-05, 03:54 PM You can't expect them to put everything free online, can you?

Really, it's just what happens when you buy into their scheme of buying 3.5. ;) There was really no reason for them to release an entirely new 'game.' All they should have done was continuing to see the 3.0 books with little expansion packets. Or, perhaps, attach an Update packet to every 3.0 adventure/module for an additional 2 bucks or what have you. Or let you download them if you sent in 2 bucks, etc.
kaeso
08-01-05, 04:04 PM thats fine, ill just go to borders and sit down and write the stats into a notebook. take that, WotC!
rizzard
08-01-05, 04:30 PM It's really not that huge a difference and won't affect you game really just run the thing
GothicDan
08-01-05, 04:42 PM You shouldn't admit to breaking laws on a public forum.

S'bad.

Don't tell anyone when you do it. ;)
BobROE
08-01-05, 04:59 PM ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom

None of the creatures were changed at all (just things like space were listed, and I'm sure you can figure that out).
The big changes to the module are the changes to classes (ranger and monk), and the change in the haste spell which changes the tactics for a lot of characters.
kaeso
08-01-05, 05:11 PM ... it looks like the creatures stats WERE changed a lot, diff. feats and skill bonuses and stuff.. ill used the revised stats for the ones i have, but for that handfull of creatures that arent detailed im just gonna use the stats in the book, im too lazy to spend 30 mintues copying out stats and descriptions... well, ill do this if it wont have too much of an effect on the game. do you think this will be unbalancing? will some be too strong or others too weak? i started playing under 3.5, so i dont know how drastic the changes were
Gray Richardson
08-01-05, 08:02 PM My game is 3.5 but I use material from 3.0 all the time. You don't need to update anything, it plays just fine as is. If there is a small inconsistency you can update it on the fly as you go just by making small, ad hoc judgement calls.

No player is going to notice or appreciate any work you do to update the monsters from 3.0 to 3.5 so don't even bother, you will save yourself a bunch or worry and prep time, and everyone will still have just as much fun.

CotSQ is a great adventure, you made a great purchase. Just play the thing and never look back. :)
Alac Luin
08-01-05, 08:36 PM ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom

The major difference I would worry about is the DR as these are monsters to be killed.
CotSQ is deadly enough without worrying about giving the monsters more skill points and feats that make them even harder.
The only changes are

Demon, Blood Fiend 15/good
Demon, Maurezhi 10/good

I know the Maurezhi has a sliding scale, but I think this enough to run the adventure, or at least a start for the scale.

This came from the 3.5 booklet updating Fiend Folio to 3.5.

If you must, you can bring them up to date with skills and feats using the guidelines in the DMG.
warlockco
08-01-05, 08:53 PM There was at one time a fan thread for 3.5 Revisions to the module, but looks like it has been lost (culled), and with the Search function down. I can't seem to location it.
warlockco
08-01-05, 09:04 PM This site might help a bit: http://forum.dnd-gate.de/index.php?showtopic=79

It is a thread done by Zanan on the adventure for correction/revision purposes.

The Thread is hosted by a German Site.
So the content is in both German and English.
Kojiro James
08-02-05, 12:11 AM :rolleyes:
kaeso
08-02-05, 11:37 AM my campaign is only gonna have 3 players, and two of them are noobs. should i update the stats? if i update them then the creautres will be more powerful, and if i dont then they wont have updates tactics which might help the group along...
kaeso
08-02-05, 11:57 AM Demon, Blood Fiend 15/good

what is 15/good? i feel like its obvious and i am being dense...
rizzard
08-02-05, 02:25 PM damage reduction means any weapon that deals damage that is not good aligned ignore the first 15 points on DMg

+3 bastard sword hits the demon for 17 points. it is not of good alignment so against the damage reduction the demon only suffers 2 points of dmg

now if the sword was a +3 hoy avenger and it rolled say 14 points of dmg since it is a good aligned weapon it beats the DMG reduction and causes 14 points

DR can be a serious problem for groups who may not have the correct weapon types to beat DR

also have it known that there are many different types of DR. slashing, bludgeoning, piercing, cold iron, silver are several others
rizzard
08-02-05, 02:29 PM If they are new to the game i'd run em through a adventure before sending them in to a mega deadly module. haven't run it myself but i have it and have prepped it for play and it's a monster
kaeso
08-02-05, 03:39 PM im not too worried, we're gonna work up to level ten and we're starting w/ the sunless citadel so they should have a very good idea of how the game works by level 10
Alac Luin
08-02-05, 05:11 PM You mentioned three players, is there only going to be 3 charicters?

I have not run this adventure, but it is rather deadly.
These three should be higher then 10th level if there is only three of them.
(looking more like 13th level)
kaeso
08-02-05, 09:59 PM alrighty, ill try to get them up to 13 so they dont die as soon as they go into the underdark. im starting w/ the sunless citadel and im going to try to start the plot going there, not sure how yet
fugueplane
08-02-05, 10:03 PM The fan thread has not been culled.

You can find it right here:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=255217
kaeso
08-02-05, 10:05 PM w00t you're my new hero... ok not really, but thanks for the link!
warlockco
08-02-05, 11:45 PM The fan thread has not been culled.

You can find it right here:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=255217

Thanks, just couldn't find it.
kaeso
08-03-05, 01:33 AM what is the overall view of CotSQ? its hard at the start but the final battle w/ ira is ridiculously easy and should be moded? or the updated version (from 3.0 to 3.5) is ridiculously hard?
warlockco
08-03-05, 02:06 AM what is the overall view of CotSQ? its hard at the start but the final battle w/ ira is ridiculously easy and should be moded? or the updated version (from 3.0 to 3.5) is ridiculously hard?

I haven't run it yet, but I intend to make the last fight alot harder.
More Minions and additional levels for Irae.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
kaeso 08-01-05, 03:25 PM	i jsut bought the city of hte spider queen adventure for $30, then looked at the release date and realized its v. 3.0! NOOOOOOOOO can i run it in 3.5 anyways? wil the different stats make a big difference? will i have to change all these different stats?! HELP ME!
WVgamer 08-01-05, 03:28 PM	there was a web enhancement, not for CotSQ, but another book, that updated everything that needed to be updated. I'd look it up, but I'm too lazy at the moment. EDIT: here's the link: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20040313a
kaeso 08-01-05, 03:43 PM	ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom
WVgamer 08-01-05, 03:47 PM	we all have our feelings against WotC. Sorry, man
GothicDan 08-01-05, 03:54 PM	You can't expect them to put everything free online, can you? Really, it's just what happens when you buy into their scheme of buying 3.5. ;) There was really no reason for them to release an entirely new 'game.' All they should have done was continuing to see the 3.0 books with little expansion packets. Or, perhaps, attach an Update packet to every 3.0 adventure/module for an additional 2 bucks or what have you. Or let you download them if you sent in 2 bucks, etc.
kaeso 08-01-05, 04:04 PM	thats fine, ill just go to borders and sit down and write the stats into a notebook. take that, WotC!
rizzard 08-01-05, 04:30 PM	It's really not that huge a difference and won't affect you game really just run the thing
GothicDan 08-01-05, 04:42 PM	You shouldn't admit to breaking laws on a public forum. S'bad. Don't tell anyone when you do it. ;)
BobROE 08-01-05, 04:59 PM	ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom None of the creatures were changed at all (just things like space were listed, and I'm sure you can figure that out). The big changes to the module are the changes to classes (ranger and monk), and the change in the haste spell which changes the tactics for a lot of characters.
kaeso 08-01-05, 05:11 PM	... it looks like the creatures stats WERE changed a lot, diff. feats and skill bonuses and stuff.. ill used the revised stats for the ones i have, but for that handfull of creatures that arent detailed im just gonna use the stats in the book, im too lazy to spend 30 mintues copying out stats and descriptions... well, ill do this if it wont have too much of an effect on the game. do you think this will be unbalancing? will some be too strong or others too weak? i started playing under 3.5, so i dont know how drastic the changes were
Gray Richardson 08-01-05, 08:02 PM	My game is 3.5 but I use material from 3.0 all the time. You don't need to update anything, it plays just fine as is. If there is a small inconsistency you can update it on the fly as you go just by making small, ad hoc judgement calls. No player is going to notice or appreciate any work you do to update the monsters from 3.0 to 3.5 so don't even bother, you will save yourself a bunch or worry and prep time, and everyone will still have just as much fun. CotSQ is a great adventure, you made a great purchase. Just play the thing and never look back. :)
Alac Luin 08-01-05, 08:36 PM	ya i found it and i dl'd it and was going through it, and once again WotC has screwed over and manipulated the buyer. 5 of the creatures ARENT updated, instead it says either 'revised in fiend folio' or 'revised in underdark' that way you have to buy those books just to find out what the changes were to a handful of creatures. totally not cool, my opinion on WotC just hit rock bottom The major difference I would worry about is the DR as these are monsters to be killed. CotSQ is deadly enough without worrying about giving the monsters more skill points and feats that make them even harder. The only changes are Demon, Blood Fiend 15/good Demon, Maurezhi 10/good I know the Maurezhi has a sliding scale, but I think this enough to run the adventure, or at least a start for the scale. This came from the 3.5 booklet updating Fiend Folio to 3.5. If you must, you can bring them up to date with skills and feats using the guidelines in the DMG.
warlockco 08-01-05, 08:53 PM	There was at one time a fan thread for 3.5 Revisions to the module, but looks like it has been lost (culled), and with the Search function down. I can't seem to location it.
warlockco 08-01-05, 09:04 PM	This site might help a bit: http://forum.dnd-gate.de/index.php?showtopic=79 It is a thread done by Zanan on the adventure for correction/revision purposes. The Thread is hosted by a German Site. So the content is in both German and English.
Kojiro James 08-02-05, 12:11 AM	:rolleyes:
kaeso 08-02-05, 11:37 AM	my campaign is only gonna have 3 players, and two of them are noobs. should i update the stats? if i update them then the creautres will be more powerful, and if i dont then they wont have updates tactics which might help the group along...
kaeso 08-02-05, 11:57 AM	Demon, Blood Fiend 15/good what is 15/good? i feel like its obvious and i am being dense...
rizzard 08-02-05, 02:25 PM	damage reduction means any weapon that deals damage that is not good aligned ignore the first 15 points on DMg +3 bastard sword hits the demon for 17 points. it is not of good alignment so against the damage reduction the demon only suffers 2 points of dmg now if the sword was a +3 hoy avenger and it rolled say 14 points of dmg since it is a good aligned weapon it beats the DMG reduction and causes 14 points DR can be a serious problem for groups who may not have the correct weapon types to beat DR also have it known that there are many different types of DR. slashing, bludgeoning, piercing, cold iron, silver are several others
rizzard 08-02-05, 02:29 PM	If they are new to the game i'd run em through a adventure before sending them in to a mega deadly module. haven't run it myself but i have it and have prepped it for play and it's a monster
kaeso 08-02-05, 03:39 PM	im not too worried, we're gonna work up to level ten and we're starting w/ the sunless citadel so they should have a very good idea of how the game works by level 10
Alac Luin 08-02-05, 05:11 PM	You mentioned three players, is there only going to be 3 charicters? I have not run this adventure, but it is rather deadly. These three should be higher then 10th level if there is only three of them. (looking more like 13th level)
kaeso 08-02-05, 09:59 PM	alrighty, ill try to get them up to 13 so they dont die as soon as they go into the underdark. im starting w/ the sunless citadel and im going to try to start the plot going there, not sure how yet
fugueplane 08-02-05, 10:03 PM	The fan thread has not been culled. You can find it right here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=255217
kaeso 08-02-05, 10:05 PM	w00t you're my new hero... ok not really, but thanks for the link!
warlockco 08-02-05, 11:45 PM	The fan thread has not been culled. You can find it right here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=255217 Thanks, just couldn't find it.
kaeso 08-03-05, 01:33 AM	what is the overall view of CotSQ? its hard at the start but the final battle w/ ira is ridiculously easy and should be moded? or the updated version (from 3.0 to 3.5) is ridiculously hard?
warlockco 08-03-05, 02:06 AM	what is the overall view of CotSQ? its hard at the start but the final battle w/ ira is ridiculously easy and should be moded? or the updated version (from 3.0 to 3.5) is ridiculously hard? I haven't run it yet, but I intend to make the last fight alot harder. More Minions and additional levels for Irae.