PGtF: Gray and Gold dwarf pictures on page 20 [Archive] - Wizards Community

PGtF: Gray and Gold dwarf pictures on page 20 [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
arcady
04-16-04, 05:48 PM Are the Gold and Gray dwarves labeled backwards?

It seems to me like the Gray Dwarf ought ot be a Gold Dwarf, and the Gold Dwarf ought to be a Gray Dwarf...
primemover003
04-16-04, 05:49 PM yep they are... the mulan and illuskans are wrong as well.
arcady
04-16-04, 05:59 PM Thanks. I'm not an FR player, and bought the book to plunder it's crunch material (and because I got about 40% off through an Amazon offer and share the love, and then handled the rest through a gift cert), but that picture just bugged me. The book arrived today and it was the first page I opened to. I pained a mini some time back to give me a gold dwarf for an FR game that didn't pan out, and I was immediately wondering if I'd used the wrong skin tone back then. :)

Interesting note on the two human ethnicities.

Overall I like the ethnic pictures in this book more than those I saw in FRCS, but it's too bad they mislabeled them.
Yokinobu
04-16-04, 11:40 PM Yeah, I noticed that too.
Duke Lenethar
05-04-04, 02:40 PM Originally posted by primemover003
yep they are... the mulan and illuskans are wrong as well.

I'm not sure about this. The Illuskans are described as tall, fair-skinned people, the Mulan as a little more Asian. I know the Illuskan looks so blatantly like a Red Wizard that it looks like an error, but physically, I think they got it right. Wrong costumes.
The dwarves however, are obviously wrong.
The_Declaration
05-04-04, 03:11 PM Originally posted by Duke Lenethar
I'm not sure about this. The Illuskans are described as tall, fair-skinned people, the Mulan as a little more Asian. I know the Illuskan looks so blatantly like a Red Wizard that it looks like an error, but physically, I think they got it right. Wrong costumes.
The dwarves however, are obviously wrong.

well, that kind of tall, bold thing is for sure not an Illuskan. then, the viking-style girl with her axe totally looks like it, even though she's not tall...
for me, the long-haired one with the axe is an Illuskan (for sure not an Egyptian, errr, a Mulan i mean). And the red guy is ... i don't know what, red wizard probably.
Chronomage
05-04-04, 08:17 PM I too have been noticing a lot more typos in the products they put out. Hell, the Complete Warrior was almost completely illegible.
Mephistopheles
05-06-04, 09:27 AM I'm convinced the Halflings are mislabeled as well - while there's no obvious physical differences all of the pictures are of 'typical' examples of the race. I find it a bit hard to believe that the typical Lightfoot (stealthy type) wears plate & wields a (small) greatsword while the Strongheart (martial type) is the one in leather & w/rapier...
Valgard
05-06-04, 02:03 PM I think all of these are wrong:

It's possible that the illuskan and the mulan humans are changed, but I'm not sure.

The gold dwarf and the gray dwarf are, in fact, changed.

The sun elf and the moon elf are also changed.

The lightfoot halfling and the strongheart halfling are changed.
The_Declaration
05-06-04, 03:58 PM The sun elf and the moon elf are also changed.
????????????????????? moon elves have silver or white hair, and sun elves have brown hair. I don't see what is the problem with the pic...
Raven Dark
05-06-04, 11:08 PM Originally posted by The_Declaration
????????????????????? moon elves have silver or white hair, and sun elves have brown hair. I don't see what is the problem with the pic...

Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown.
Kuje31
05-06-04, 11:22 PM Originally posted by Raven Dark
Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown.

Maybe they changed that also for the artists. :) Like drow having blue-black and grey skin tones now.
Alac Luin
05-07-04, 07:16 PM Originally posted by Kuje31
Maybe they changed that also for the artists. :) Like drow having blue-black and grey skin tones now.

I thought it had to do with a skin condition.
Having ashy skin would take that "polished obsidian” look to a dark gray (charcoal gray perhaps)
It’s only the Nobles that can afford the expensive skin lotions.
Now, if someone can create an affordable over the counter lotion we can return all drow to the polished obsidian skin we all know and love. :D
Kuje31
05-07-04, 07:27 PM Originally posted by Alac Luin
I thought it had to do with a skin condition.
Having ashy skin would take that "polished obsidian” look to a dark gray (charcoal gray perhaps)
It’s only the Nobles that can afford the expensive skin lotions.
Now, if someone can create an affordable over the counter lotion we can return all drow to the polished obsidian skin we all know and love. :D

:angel: :smirk: ;)
FineasBoggs
05-07-04, 07:48 PM I think the moon elf is right. As for the lighter drow, I think RB mentioned that was because it was hard to do detail with the uber black colors.

http://webpages.charter.net/acamphuysen/manshoon_mage_sigil.gif
Alac Luin
05-07-04, 08:39 PM From the C:EoE 2ed suplement...

Gold Elves
Appearance
Skin: Bronze, amber
Hair: Copper, golden blond, black; rare: red
Eyes: Gold, silver, black; rare: copper, hazel

Moon Elves
Appearance
Skin: Ivory-white with blue tints (white marble)
Hair: White, silver-white, blue, black; rare: blond
Eyes: Blue, green, either with gold flecks; rare: gray

Acording to this, the moon elf is right.
Copper hair is kinda brownish.... I donno, sounds right.
I'd have to run upstairs to look at the PGtF, and I'm to lazzy to do so:)
Dagda Mor
05-07-04, 10:23 PM Let's not forget that table 1-14 lists Liira's Blessing as a Vile feat.
The_Declaration
05-09-04, 04:11 PM Originally posted by Raven Dark
Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown.
wrong, not all of them, far from that.
take a look at Races of Faerūn
Straploknight
05-09-04, 08:58 PM Originally posted by Dagda Mor
Let's not forget that table 1-14 lists Liira's Blessing as a Vile feat.

Well that certainly depends on what side of the coin your on :smirk:
Duke Lenethar
06-05-04, 04:26 PM Originally posted by Raven Dark
Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown.

On a minor note, the Sun Elf was completely decked out in armor, sword, shield and bow. I thought they were the wizard elves?
Valgard
06-06-04, 09:44 AM I said that sun and moon elfs are changed because I always thought that sun elfs tend to be more pale-skinned and blonde than moon elfs. Also, it's true than sun elfs tend to be wizards more than moon elfs as Duke Lenethar said.
DrunkRockPunk
06-06-04, 01:59 PM The Sun Elf has copper hair not brown hair in the Races of Faerun it says that sun elves have Copper hair
baerdith
06-09-04, 12:05 PM I think the Moon Elf is right, but the Sun and Wood may be reversed. I don't know, the 'sun elf' just didn't feel right.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
arcady 04-16-04, 05:48 PM	Are the Gold and Gray dwarves labeled backwards? It seems to me like the Gray Dwarf ought ot be a Gold Dwarf, and the Gold Dwarf ought to be a Gray Dwarf...
primemover003 04-16-04, 05:49 PM	yep they are... the mulan and illuskans are wrong as well.
arcady 04-16-04, 05:59 PM	Thanks. I'm not an FR player, and bought the book to plunder it's crunch material (and because I got about 40% off through an Amazon offer and share the love, and then handled the rest through a gift cert), but that picture just bugged me. The book arrived today and it was the first page I opened to. I pained a mini some time back to give me a gold dwarf for an FR game that didn't pan out, and I was immediately wondering if I'd used the wrong skin tone back then. :) Interesting note on the two human ethnicities. Overall I like the ethnic pictures in this book more than those I saw in FRCS, but it's too bad they mislabeled them.
Yokinobu 04-16-04, 11:40 PM	Yeah, I noticed that too.
Duke Lenethar 05-04-04, 02:40 PM	Originally posted by primemover003 yep they are... the mulan and illuskans are wrong as well. I'm not sure about this. The Illuskans are described as tall, fair-skinned people, the Mulan as a little more Asian. I know the Illuskan looks so blatantly like a Red Wizard that it looks like an error, but physically, I think they got it right. Wrong costumes. The dwarves however, are obviously wrong.
The_Declaration 05-04-04, 03:11 PM	Originally posted by Duke Lenethar I'm not sure about this. The Illuskans are described as tall, fair-skinned people, the Mulan as a little more Asian. I know the Illuskan looks so blatantly like a Red Wizard that it looks like an error, but physically, I think they got it right. Wrong costumes. The dwarves however, are obviously wrong. well, that kind of tall, bold thing is for sure not an Illuskan. then, the viking-style girl with her axe totally looks like it, even though she's not tall... for me, the long-haired one with the axe is an Illuskan (for sure not an Egyptian, errr, a Mulan i mean). And the red guy is ... i don't know what, red wizard probably.
Chronomage 05-04-04, 08:17 PM	I too have been noticing a lot more typos in the products they put out. Hell, the Complete Warrior was almost completely illegible.
Mephistopheles 05-06-04, 09:27 AM	I'm convinced the Halflings are mislabeled as well - while there's no obvious physical differences all of the pictures are of 'typical' examples of the race. I find it a bit hard to believe that the typical Lightfoot (stealthy type) wears plate & wields a (small) greatsword while the Strongheart (martial type) is the one in leather & w/rapier...
Valgard 05-06-04, 02:03 PM	I think all of these are wrong: It's possible that the illuskan and the mulan humans are changed, but I'm not sure. The gold dwarf and the gray dwarf are, in fact, changed. The sun elf and the moon elf are also changed. The lightfoot halfling and the strongheart halfling are changed.
The_Declaration 05-06-04, 03:58 PM	The sun elf and the moon elf are also changed. ????????????????????? moon elves have silver or white hair, and sun elves have brown hair. I don't see what is the problem with the pic...
Raven Dark 05-06-04, 11:08 PM	Originally posted by The_Declaration ????????????????????? moon elves have silver or white hair, and sun elves have brown hair. I don't see what is the problem with the pic... Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown.
Kuje31 05-06-04, 11:22 PM	Originally posted by Raven Dark Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown. Maybe they changed that also for the artists. :) Like drow having blue-black and grey skin tones now.
Alac Luin 05-07-04, 07:16 PM	Originally posted by Kuje31 Maybe they changed that also for the artists. :) Like drow having blue-black and grey skin tones now. I thought it had to do with a skin condition. Having ashy skin would take that "polished obsidian” look to a dark gray (charcoal gray perhaps) It’s only the Nobles that can afford the expensive skin lotions. Now, if someone can create an affordable over the counter lotion we can return all drow to the polished obsidian skin we all know and love. :D
Kuje31 05-07-04, 07:27 PM	Originally posted by Alac Luin I thought it had to do with a skin condition. Having ashy skin would take that "polished obsidian” look to a dark gray (charcoal gray perhaps) It’s only the Nobles that can afford the expensive skin lotions. Now, if someone can create an affordable over the counter lotion we can return all drow to the polished obsidian skin we all know and love. :D :angel: :smirk: ;)
FineasBoggs 05-07-04, 07:48 PM	I think the moon elf is right. As for the lighter drow, I think RB mentioned that was because it was hard to do detail with the uber black colors. http://webpages.charter.net/acamphuysen/manshoon_mage_sigil.gif
Alac Luin 05-07-04, 08:39 PM	From the C:EoE 2ed suplement... Gold Elves Appearance Skin: Bronze, amber Hair: Copper, golden blond, black; rare: red Eyes: Gold, silver, black; rare: copper, hazel Moon Elves Appearance Skin: Ivory-white with blue tints (white marble) Hair: White, silver-white, blue, black; rare: blond Eyes: Blue, green, either with gold flecks; rare: gray Acording to this, the moon elf is right. Copper hair is kinda brownish.... I donno, sounds right. I'd have to run upstairs to look at the PGtF, and I'm to lazzy to do so:)
Dagda Mor 05-07-04, 10:23 PM	Let's not forget that table 1-14 lists Liira's Blessing as a Vile feat.
The_Declaration 05-09-04, 04:11 PM	Originally posted by Raven Dark Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown. wrong, not all of them, far from that. take a look at Races of Faerūn
Straploknight 05-09-04, 08:58 PM	Originally posted by Dagda Mor Let's not forget that table 1-14 lists Liira's Blessing as a Vile feat. Well that certainly depends on what side of the coin your on :smirk:
Duke Lenethar 06-05-04, 04:26 PM	Originally posted by Raven Dark Sun Elves have gold, blonde, or black hair generally...not brown. On a minor note, the Sun Elf was completely decked out in armor, sword, shield and bow. I thought they were the wizard elves?
Valgard 06-06-04, 09:44 AM	I said that sun and moon elfs are changed because I always thought that sun elfs tend to be more pale-skinned and blonde than moon elfs. Also, it's true than sun elfs tend to be wizards more than moon elfs as Duke Lenethar said.
DrunkRockPunk 06-06-04, 01:59 PM	The Sun Elf has copper hair not brown hair in the Races of Faerun it says that sun elves have Copper hair
baerdith 06-09-04, 12:05 PM	I think the Moon Elf is right, but the Sun and Wood may be reversed. I don't know, the 'sun elf' just didn't feel right.