Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dargoth 06-17-03, 08:17 PM	As most of you have heard Wizards are working on a Players guide to the FR for release next year and while its main purpose will be in intergrating the new 3.5 rules along with BOVD, MOTP and Psionics handbooks, there might be some room for some new stuff Here are my suggestions 1) "Tiefling/Aasamir" stats for other races ie Dwarves, Gnomes, Halflings Half Orcs etc 2) Stats for chosen already revealed, for example a Chosen of Talona template is need for "Rotting Man" 3) I also would like to see a new Assassin PrC whose abilities are closer to the old 1ed Assassin Class or 2ed kit, ie NO SPELLS. For realms flavour the Prc could be tied to a group, my suggestion would be for the Monks of the Long Death. Feel free to post your own suggestions!
MooseTracks 06-17-03, 08:55 PM	--Wishlist-- (a) Stats and a brief history on Alaundo the Seer. (b) Some kinda usable 3 Ed. Fighter Kit translated from the BG2 Wizard Slayer Class. (c) Guidelines for creating a Siege Campaign. For Example: An epic level barbarian and his barbarian horde come to make war on an epic level paladin and his knights. Guidlines for determining number/type of followers for each, stats for siege machines and strongholds for both sides.
Kezghan 06-17-03, 08:56 PM	Those are some excellent wants Dargoth. That got me thinking, it would be really nice to see a better Assassin class whether its core or prestige. The timeline needs furthering and i really hope to see that happen. The new book should clarify all this bickering about epic magic and epic levels etc. That MUST happen. More magic and items and treasures specific to the Realms. Perhaps that is a bit of a wish for a players book well the items and treasures but spells damn well better be in the thing. Corrected NPC's properly done up so as to not insult our *the fans and fanatics* INT scores.
primemover003 06-17-03, 09:18 PM	1) How about just a Base Chosen Template, not one for every Deity. If you look hard enough most of the Deities have PrC's already. Their Chosen should really just be a more powerful version of that PrC, thus a Base Template for the Chosen. 2) How are the NPC's insults to our intelligence? I for one don't think every NPC in a novel has to be some Uber Munchkin build, like Elminster & Drizzt fans think they are. 3) No more whining about non human based Planetouched. Ok the entire Planetouched concept Pcomes from the Planescape setting, and out in the planes it was Humans who bred with everthing under the sun (or no sun for the many of the planes). I don't see people crying out for a 1/2 elf-1/2 orc? Gnomlings anyone? Or how about Winged-Dwarves? 4) the Assassin should not be a core class. Without it's special abilities (spells being one of them), assassin would only be a descriptive name for a fighter or rogue or wizard or any other class (except the Paladin) who kills for profit. ...Now Psionics is a good idea for inclusion in the FRCS. Duergar, Derro, Mind Flayers, Aboleth, Yuan-ti... psionics already exists in Faerun.
PhilCW 06-17-03, 09:22 PM	I wish they adopt a similar format to the old Volo's guides or Elminster's Ecologies. A book where a DM can lend the book to his players and not fear to spoil any campaign information. An interresting format would be Volo (with El's corrections) giving a general overview from without or from an outsider's point of view on the region, and then a series of correspondance "IC" from various bards, sages or other individuals of expertise from the region proper giving their take on the area. With additional comments on social customs, dress, etc. The book would also include all the crunchy for the powergamers, and the in character correspondance as well as society information would provide the fluff for the DM, and the roleplayers.
Kezghan 06-17-03, 09:27 PM	2) How are the NPC's insults to our intelligence? I for one don't think every NPC in a novel has to be some Uber Munchkin build, like Elminster & Drizzt fans think they are. I dont have any issues with levels etc, just like them to be accurate in terms of basically what we already know. I think Silver Marches wa the worse for NPC's with some serious issues with Bruenor and Wulfgar's histories etc. Id just like some solid editing and research done. im not crying for a 29th level drizzt and 54th level El. heh. The Volo's guide idea sounds if I may say : f * * k i n g cool!!!!
Dargoth 06-17-03, 09:48 PM	Originally posted by primemover003 3) No more whining about non human based Planetouched. Ok the entire Planetouched concept Pcomes from the Planescape setting, and out in the planes it was Humans who bred with everthing under the sun (or no sun for the many of the planes). I don't see people crying out for a 1/2 elf-1/2 orc? Gnomlings anyone? Or how about Winged-Dwarves? . No more whining about there not being any non Human plane touched. There cannon so deal with it ROF clearly states there are Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes and halfling "aasimar" There are also Shield dwarf and Rock Gnome "Earth Genasi" Theres also "Fire Genasi" halflings There are also "Water Genasi" Sea elves
Thrudjelmer 06-17-03, 10:09 PM	I really don't think that a Player's Guide to the Forgotten Realms is an appropriate place for either NPC statistics or templates that would generally be considered for DM's only. Yes, templates for the various Chosen might be cool, and in some people's games every player character is a chosen of a different god... just grand. However, I don't think this should be considered standard player material. What should go into the book are definitely v3.5 updates for the various spells, feats, classes, prestige classes, and races (including all those presented in Races of Faerun) from existing FR products --where revisions/changes are necessary. I also agree that more information about Planetouched of the FR setting should be made available, including non-vital stats (age, height, weight, etc) and non-human variations of the standard planetouched. In addition, new prestige classes, feats, spells, and flavor text should be added for some regions commonly used by players that haven't (and aren't likely to anytime soon) recieve their own supplements (such as Cormyr, the Dalelands, the Sword Coast, etc).
Devin Lightshadow 06-17-03, 10:30 PM	Originally posted by Dargoth 1) "Tiefling/Aasamir" stats for other races ie Dwarves, Gnomes, Halflings Half Orcs etc The Maeluth (planetouched dwarf/devil) and the Wispling (planetouched halfling/demon) can be found in the Fiend Folio. This isn't everything you want, but is some of it.
Devin Lightshadow 06-17-03, 10:33 PM	Originally posted by Thrudjelmer I really don't think that a Player's Guide to the Forgotten Realms is an appropriate place for either NPC statistics or templates that would generally be considered for DM's only. I stongly agree with that. The PGttFR should include 3.5 updates to existing races, core classes and PrC. Updates to spells, equipment, and items should also be present. Updating of the timeline is also essential, and some updating of the deities. If there is room, new races, PrC, and spells could be included as well. Devin Lightshadow
PhilCW 06-17-03, 10:46 PM	It should also heavily touch on how general information on each region so as to give players ideas on what areas they would like to play in, as well as implied roleplaying tips. A sort of quick guide on the people and places of the area, without touching too heavily on the subject, much like the original player's guide to the Forgotten Realms.
Saasiel 06-17-03, 10:54 PM	E'tii'stil Shadowsil (:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: ) to be hired to create the NPC statistics. With him, at least we know he would do a most exemplary job.
Dargoth 06-17-03, 11:07 PM	Originally posted by Saasiel E'tii'stil Shadowsil (:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: ) to be hired to create the NPC statistics. With him, at least we know he would do a most exemplary job. Id actually prefer that NPCs get there own book and the Authors do there own write ups of there characters. But as the Players guide to the FR is aimed at the Players, it wouldnt be apporiate to put NPC stats in the book
bat141 06-18-03, 09:24 AM	Primemover003- Maybe you missed the purpose of the thread, it's a wishlist, not a flame the suggestions thread.
Niftyone 06-18-03, 10:10 AM	I think as a Player's Guide to the Realms, I'd like to see the players get a source for more of the flavor of the Realms. In the old 2E supplements, there were sections detailing the culture and history of the covered region. Things like the dots on the foreheads in the Vilhon Reach and what it stood for, or the local Feasts and Festivals and what they celebrated. Things that the Pcs would like to know from a flavor standpoint and yet not give away the campaign that the DM is running, just add to it. Now yeah, it would be nice to have all the races and the like in one place, so you wouldn't have to go to 3 or 4 different places to find your race and the feats you need, so maybe consilidate it in one place so that it would be the only thing a PLAYER needs outside the PHB to make and run a character in the Realms. Other than that, I'll take anything they want to put in there.
Iakhovas 06-18-03, 11:20 AM	Rules updates are a necessary evil with D&D 3.5 coming out, but I certainly hope this sourcebook actually contains some realmslore. We've heard for a couple years now about all the wonderful things that were meant to be included in the FRCS, but were cut for size reasons. Well, this would be a perfect place to put it back in. Brian R. James http://www.geonomicon.com
Ranger REG 06-18-03, 03:17 PM	As long it is dubbed a companion to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook with 3.5e rules update and new fluff of Realmslore not present in said Sourcebook, then I'm all for it... ...for no more than $29.95. :cool:
Tarus 06-18-03, 03:31 PM	Not sure if someone mentioned it but: (b) Some kinda usable 3 Ed. Fighter Kit translated from the BG2 Wizard Slayer Class. There IS a wizard slayer prestiege class, look in Magic of Faerun I beleive. You mentioned fighter and I have always thought the level 4 spell required was kinda high...you could easily adapt this class. The problem with what you want is that to fight magic you need magic. Hence why Elmister is a wizard, he became one to destroy some. Alternativly, a fighter would need some way to counter magic for him to be a "wizard" slayer. You could simply pick feats that are good for fighting wizards and be a normal fighter. I believe there is one, somewhere, that gives a +2 to your save vs spells of a certain school. Things like dodge would be good, improved init to get the first (and last?) strike. Maybe a magic item with some dispel charges to rip down a wizards protection.
primemover003 06-18-03, 05:15 PM	Sorry about that but I'm having a "Elemental Archon" day and Kossuth is my main man for now, so Flames are good, no?
Thrudjelmer 06-18-03, 05:37 PM	No, flames are never good... not even with marshmallows (because microwaving is so much faster).
primemover003 06-18-03, 07:31 PM	OK, actually I really will apologize for the tone of my previous posts. Flaming is never a constructive way to deal with issues that should be debated. That said, I feel (notice "I" statements) that mixing non-human races into the planetouched categories only create overly powerful ECL races. Now as a longtime Planescape DM, I know how to handle planetouched characters in regards to the Core races, it was part and parcel with the setting. I don't really think the planetouched are that much more powerful than a core race. A spell-like ability 1/d is nothing earth shattering. Only the Aasimar and Tielfing's Resistances truly set them apart at low levels (1-4). The Genasi could be ECL 0 races (especially earth and fire).
Saasiel 06-18-03, 10:51 PM	Originally posted by Niftyone I think as a Player's Guide to the Realms, I'd like to see the players get a source for more of the flavor of the Realms. In the old 2E supplements, there were sections detailing the culture and history of the covered region. Things like the dots on the foreheads in the Vilhon Reach and what it stood for, or the local Feasts and Festivals and what they celebrated. Things that the Pcs would like to know from a flavor standpoint and yet not give away the campaign that the DM is running, just add to it. Now yeah, it would be nice to have all the races and the like in one place, so you wouldn't have to go to 3 or 4 different places to find your race and the feats you need, so maybe consilidate it in one place so that it would be the only thing a PLAYER needs outside the PHB to make and run a character in the Realms. Other than that, I'll take anything they want to put in there. I also advocate that!
louissan 06-19-03, 12:26 PM	The Munchkin Player's Guide to the Forgotten Realms Chapter One - Alternate characters creation methods ... the 58-point buy system ... the 139-point buy system ... the 'all-18' point buy system ... sidebar: how to switch points between stats without the DM's knowledge Chapter two - templates ... template stacking ... new chosen templates ... new inherent stat bonus sources ... how to integrate DBZ into the FR setting ... BDZ templates Chapter Three - equipment ... how to improve critical ranges ... custom weapons ... +6 and beyond ... the meg-aepic-epic artifacts for breakfast - an insight. Chapter 4 - Roleplaying WHATTTT!!!??? A ROLEPLAYING SECTION!!!?? How dare Wizard hope that I would waste my MONEY on such a pitiful and useless SECTION???!!!! RRAHHRHAHREAFDSHVIOFDHVBILd '"y_u( @^_t y("_; gèç p)"gèç^gu !!!??? Ok, I feel better now. Cheers :)
Dungeon_Master 06-19-03, 01:48 PM	How to insert DBZ into the FR setting. :rofl: Ya, I hate it when people DBZ god-mode. (+5 vorpal swords at level 3?!) PC: "Ok, Goku casts chain lightning." DM: "You're a fighter." PC: "I kill an orc to charge up mana." DM: "Even if you were a mage, you're level two." PC: Orc: OH MY GOSH! HIS POWER IS AT 123,45636456,457857!!! DM: ................... PC: "I FRY THE DRAGON WITH MY SUPER SAYEN POWERS!" DM:..................................... PC: "DIE DRAGON!" DM: "Elimister, Szass Tam, the Chosen, and Drizzit appear." PC: "PIKACHU! I SUMMON YOU!" DM: "Elimister makes his save against it's unbearable cuteness. He then polymorphs you into a............" This didn't happen with my group, but I can imagine it. I kinda thought that the Fey'ri pictures in Races of Faerun looked a bit anime influenced. The smaller one looked like a demonic Yu-gi-oh. WHAT?? A ROLEPLAYING SECTION!? HOW DARE WIZARDS PUT IN SUCH A PITIFUL AND USELESS SECTION!!!!!!!!! :rofl: Before you bash templates, one of my players is playing a weakened form of half-dragon. Hey, at least he's not another good aligned drow ranger who happens to be Drizzits cousin.:smirk: Anyhow, he doesn't stack templates at least. Before you bash chosen templates, I'm considering loosely following the Baldur's Gate II storyline at some point in my game. He won't have some useless template from Dragon magizine. I can play well enough without their messed up storyline for the game. (Khalid did NOT beat Jahiera. I found her more likely to beat HIM...) Did I mention one of my players is an Avariel elf? At least he's playing something interesting......... I agree with primemover. Let's have a base chosen template. I'd like to see kits, but not as prestiege classes. Do we EVER have enough of those? LOL on the point buy systems. Acctually, if you play NWN online............
louissan 06-19-03, 02:56 PM	Sacarsms aside, I feel too many 'rules-only' posts pop up in their boards. Granted, having a character able to survive and **win** (the goal of all games) is nice. But it seems the background aspect is often forgotten. :) I'm not bashing templates - they actually are a great idea, far more flexible than anything else done by TSR, ahem, Wizards before. Saying that I play RPGs a lot would be an understatement. And when I compare how I started playing to how some younger people than I DO start, I itch. Maybe it's the anime culture, like you mentioned, maybe it's the easy access to games like Diablo 2 and the like (which are great, heh? ;)) ... I remember opening the Menzoberrazan paper box in front of my 386SX-33 that had nothing to do with thoughts like 'how much damage will I make' and 'I'll OwneZZZ them all in PvP'. Now what happens? You buy your game on amazon, wait till it arrives via FedEx, tear out the CD(s), install the thing and connect to get as many levels as possible in the quickest way. Yeah, I believe PvPing has kind of 'poisoned' the way RPGs are played (at least some of them). It's as if having the best character was the only goal, even at the cost of **fun**. Talk about NWN online ... Oh well, I feel old :angel: So a player's Guide to the Forgotten Realms? Yeah, I'd love to :) But I personaly do not need any Chosen template or more **rules*. What I yearn for is background, background, background, background. Oh yeah, and pour in a little more background, please. Prestige classes are nice when they are justified, background-wise. Templates are nice when they are justified, background-wise. Apart from some of the illustrations in the Races of Faerun supplement, I think the raw data in it was great. My 2 € cents :)
Faraer 06-19-03, 03:37 PM	Rules changes and new rules for things already represented are worth nothing to me. If this book has at least some worthwhile content, it may actually live up to its name and be a GUIDE to the REALMS, and people like me may be persuaded to buy it.
Thrudjelmer 06-19-03, 03:56 PM	There was a 2nd Edition release Player's Guide to the Realms which was nothing but flavor text/fluff, following some adventurers around. I thought it was fabulous! Of course, how well did that sell?
Ritzatrip 06-19-03, 05:00 PM	Only fluff stuff for me :D What I yearn for is background, background, background, background. Oh yeah, and pour in a little more background, please. louissan, you name it. No rules. As player, I want to know about the world I travel in. I don't want to read about just another prestige class or magic spell. And don't do anything about drow.:bored:
carhesl 06-19-03, 11:06 PM	I would like to see famous Wizards from different area's of the Realms and unique spells they have created. I always liked the spellbooks with histories from Dragon a long time ago and far far away, before FRCS was even published as a campaign setting. I would read those stories and try to draw maps from Greenwoods commentary.
SirUrza 06-19-03, 11:29 PM	Just to remind everyone the CONFIRMED material in the Players Guide... Reprint/update of Chapter 1-2 of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. Integration of Manual of the Planes. Integration of Epic Level Handbook. If we're gonna see another rehash of NPC stats, I'd like to see them as a web enhancement to this product to be honest.
Dargoth 06-19-03, 11:30 PM	Originally posted by Faraer Rules changes and new rules for things already represented are worth nothing to me. If this book has at least some worthwhile content, it may actually live up to its name and be a GUIDE to the REALMS, and people like me may be persuaded to buy it. then the PGFR may not be for you. I expected it will be 80+% crunchy the book focus alot on Game Mechanic issues such as 3.5 and intergrating Psionics handbook, the Book of Vile Darkness and the manual of the planes, it will also be revising alot of monsters and PrCs released in FR products that need to be revised to 3.5 standard
KaeYoss 06-20-03, 09:16 AM	I want Divine Ranks for every single deity.
KaeYoss 06-20-03, 09:25 AM	Originally posted by primemover003 I don't see people crying out for a 1/2 elf-1/2 orc? Actually, I hear that one quite often: every couple of months someone posts that request on some forum or other.
KaeYoss 06-20-03, 09:26 AM	Originally posted by Thrudjelmer No, flames are never good... not even with marshmallows (because microwaving is so much faster). So you want to tell me you want to start a microwavewar in the forums when someone postes something you don't like?:D
louissan 06-20-03, 10:53 AM	then the PGFR may not be for you. I expected it will be 80+% crunchy the book focus alot on Game Mechanic issues such as 3.5 and intergrating Psionics handbook, the Book of Vile Darkness and the manual of the planes, it will also be revising alot of monsters and PrCs released in FR products that need to be revised to 3.5 standard Now that is one sad piece of news :(
Darknight 06-20-03, 11:53 AM	Lets face it Kids, The PGttFR should be a PLAYERS Book. I wish for... Classes, new and updated Cool backgrounds Traits Spells, familiars and henchmen. No Monster stats, Epic npc's or maps to secret locations that my Dm's never even seen. :eek: Lets have a book for the Players :cloud9:
Lady Claransa Trent 06-22-03, 02:58 AM	So you want to tell me you want to start a microwavewar in the forums when someone postes something you don't like? 30 seconds on high for sarcasm...
Dargoth 06-22-03, 03:55 AM	For those who want to pre order there copy of PGFR http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786931345/701-2842429-0517101
Moon Elven 06-23-03, 07:51 AM	Hi Unfortunatly the book is labelled a Players Guide. Which to me translates to information a Player needs to get involved in a Forgotten Realms game. Background and the such is provided by the DM, who decides what happens and where. I love background, I love setting. Unfortunatly a Players Guide is not the place for such things, a Players Guide is for rules that a Player needs to be familiar with play. I think regardless of a "wish list" and dont get me wrong I want to see flavour too, we will get rules that are required to bring everything up to date... Sorry to sound all downtrodden about all this, simply my opinion.
Dargoth 06-25-03, 08:29 PM	bump
E'tii'stil Shadowsil 06-25-03, 08:38 PM	I wish for the chance to see all FR deity statistics at a reasonable price.
Dargoth 06-25-03, 08:41 PM	Originally posted by E'tii'stil Shadowsil I wish for statistics for all FR deities at a reasonable price. that maybe a more suitable wish for this http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49935
Darkmore 06-26-03, 08:20 AM	Said it and I'll say it again .. What I want to read in this manual is "Druids draw power and spells from nature itselves not from gods" :)
Faraer 06-26-03, 08:45 AM	Moon Elven -- the information you need to play in the Realms is what your character would know about the Realms. I appreciate the likely rules-laden nature of this book: my point is that my making slight concession to those who are more interested in the setting than the mechanics, they can sell more copies.
Thrudjelmer 06-26-03, 08:29 PM	Agreed... while DMs set the background of the game and guide players through it, it'd be nice if the players had a source of information to provide more background fluff for roleplaying enhancement. I'm sick of conversations like this: Me: Okay, where is your new rogue character from? Player: Westgate is the city of thieves, right? Me: Yes. Player: He's from Westgate, then. Me: Okay, fine. Player: What do people from Westgate look like? Me: Ummm... Player: Are they European-looking? Are they primarily blonde, or would you say darker hair is more prominent? Me: Uhh, look it up in Races of Faerun. Player: Okay. Hey, what are the prominent religions in Westgate? Who rules Westgate? Are there any notable thieves guilds that are common knowledge? Are wererats common, because I think I want my mentor to have been a wererat. How do people dress in Westgate? What's their favorite colors, what do they eat, am I driving you nuts, does the city import its grains and where from, why are you pulling your hair out, what kind of people should my character's parents be? Me: Umm, err, well... I, ummm, maybe... look in, um, AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!! Player:
louissan 06-27-03, 05:49 AM	Well having some background certainly is nice, but it should not prevent you from working heh? ;) I believe my Westgate is different from yours, after all :)
PhilCW 06-27-03, 11:06 PM	Perhaps they could just make two versions of the Player's guide: The Forgotten Realms Player's Guide Roll-playing supplement and the Role-playing supplement. Or if they want to sell a few copies: Women of the Forgotten Realms (to show us proper "fashion"), or could just call it: Thongs of the Realms.
SirUrza 06-30-03, 01:49 PM	I do have 1 request, Character Sheet(s) for Forgotten Realms. :)
Ovim Ironstar 06-30-03, 04:04 PM	I agree with the need for a supplement that details very well the more unknown regions as well as the more commonly used ones, such as a higly detailed section on halruaa or nimbral as well as a section on how the nobility of Cormyr is handleing the changes of late. :fight!: I mean, in all the supplements from AD&D and thus far D&D 3E we've seen alot of detail to the heartlands north of the Sea of Fallen Stars and west of Tantras. There have been minor delvings into Aglarond and Thay along with Evermeet and the Moonsheas, but very rarely anything futher away than that. I'd also love to see more than a paragraph about Maztica, Kara-Tur, Zahkahara and maybe even some of the "unknown lands", even if it's just a small chapter for all of them in one. What about the Deities of these regions and natvies...especially with all the trouble Helm's clergy caused in Maztica... :twitch: see what these things bring out in me:cloud9: now I'm happy to get all that out....I hope they actually listen to us players/DM's/and all around enthusiests...:cookie: here's a cookkie for your thoughts *bows out gracefully*
Jeiroth 07-01-03, 11:17 AM	What do I want...hmmm Elves and their realms (and old realms aka Cormanthyr)in 3e detail including High Mage rituals. Dwarves and their realms in 3e detail Halflings and their realms covered in 3e detail etc. basically, these things could have been covered in RoF but they were not. Other things I'd like to see. An updated version of Old Empires (that book is old and a gazillion things have happened since then). I would like to see an arcane age supplement, preferrably a Crown Wars supplement. I think that woud be sweet. An update to the drow situation when it finally gets resolved...after that, no more drow stuff for many, many years (except the Crown War thing of course).
Will Brandiman 07-01-03, 11:35 AM	Could we have some more background as to how characters from the various human realms/areas might speak? I was making up an NPC cleric for my new game the other night and, to make him distinctive, I decided to give him a French accent. I then spent ages looking through FRCS for some sort of clue as to where I might find the FR equivalent of the French. Geographically I would guess I should look at maybe Waterdeep or the Western Heartlands but I had a hard time picturing the Lords of Waterdeep or Duke Eltan of the Flaming Fist having zis outraaaageous accent. :D
Shade_agent 07-02-03, 02:33 AM	pfft, 3.5....