Problems with Last Mythal series [Archive] - Wizards Community

Problems with Last Mythal series [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
MarkHall
08-21-07, 11:54 AM I've done some searching for previous threads on the topic, but I can't find the summations others have made. What are the problems you see with that trilogy? What did you enjoy about it?
Lord Karsus
08-22-07, 01:18 AM -I'll just mention the Tree of Souls, and the color of Queen Amlauril's hair, and call it a day.
ericlboyd
08-22-07, 07:40 AM Grand History of the Realms addresses the Tree of Souls issue by explaining the apparent contradiction between the Final Gate and Elves of Evermeet. Hopefully, the way in which we did it opens up some new plot hooks as a result.

--Eric
Lord Karsus
08-22-07, 10:54 AM Grand History of the Realms addresses the Tree of Souls issue by explaining the apparent contradiction between the Final Gate and Elves of Evermeet. Hopefully, the way in which we did it opens up some new plot hooks as a result.

--Eric

-I've spoken with both Brian and George, and if some of the things they have said are what is going to be in AGHotR (and I believe that they will be) concerning this issue, I am still not satisfied. But, not that it really matters, but I'm just sayin'.
ericlboyd
08-22-07, 03:28 PM -I've spoken with both Brian and George, and if some of the things they have said are what is going to be in AGHotR (and I believe that they will be) concerning this issue, I am still not satisfied. But, not that it really matters, but I'm just sayin'.

I did the final twist on this story in GH, so please wait for that and then give your verdict.

--Eric
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-22-07, 03:36 PM What are the problems you see with that trilogy? What did you enjoy about it?

Just saying that discussing this topic here isn't the best idea, because it is likely go against the forum rules about discussing how novels are written and criticism of authors. It's shaky ground.
Iakhovas
08-22-07, 08:01 PM I did the final twist on this story in GH, so please wait for that and then give your verdict.--EricOoooh. Now I'm intrigued.
MarkusTay63
08-22-07, 08:44 PM Now THATS funny

Even you're looking forward to GHotR. :D
MarkHall
08-22-07, 09:15 PM Just saying that discussing this topic here isn't the best idea, because it is likely go against the forum rules about discussing how novels are written and criticism of authors. It's shaky ground.

The reason I ask is that people state that they have "well-known" problems with it which aren't well known to me. Now, it meshed nicely with some ideas I was going to do, anyway, so it was easy to base a campaign with that as a starting point, but I was wondering what people's objections were.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-23-07, 01:36 PM The reason I ask is that people state that they have "well-known" problems with it which aren't well known to me. Now, it meshed nicely with some ideas I was going to do, anyway, so it was easy to base a campaign with that as a starting point, but I was wondering what people's objections were.

You can find my objections to the book at Candlekeep.com. :) Be warned, though, some of my comments are pretty snarky and probably more mean than comments I would write now (maybe).

I will state that the problems I had with the book didn't only have to do with lore and setting changes, but also simply the way the books were written.
MarkHall
08-23-07, 07:01 PM That would explain why I couldn't find them with a search here. Thanks, Rinoalyrna.
Paix
08-23-07, 07:21 PM We were recently hoping to make a campaign with an epic feel and we thought that the Last Mythal would offer a ready made narrative for such a campaign. Due to time limitations I was only able to read the third part of the trilogy so my view is probably incomplete.

I do not recall noticing any problems with it, in terms of lore. We picked it up because both Myth Drannor and the concept of the Fey'ri seemed very interesting.

Perhaps the devils were a bit too easily defeated and I expected a lot of action involving phaerimm, especially since the latter were freed from beneath Anauroch but do not quote me on the last part as I am not certain about the chronology of events.

If you are looking for a critique of writing style, I cannot help as the fantasy genre is largely unknown to me.

I can only only advise to take things offered on these boards with a pinch of salt because there are many that seem to see Elminsters and Drizzts popping up everywhere and on top of that, these fictional novel characters are oppressing their games too! And that's from someone that rarely visits these boards.

The fact that the company chose to ban discussion of its own products on its own forums (why did they not ban the users?) says it all I think.
GothicDan
08-23-07, 07:43 PM The majority of problems I have with the trilogy (from what I know) are largely thematic issues and (admittedly) minor mistakes in lore (aside from the Tree of Souls bit).
Iakhovas
08-23-07, 07:50 PM Now THATS funny. Even you're looking forward to GHotR. :DIndeed! My submission ended at 1375 DR. Anything in the GHotR beyond that year will be new to me. Eric Boyd and Chris Perkins told me at Gen Con I'm in for a big surprise. A good surprise I hope. :ayyyy!:
MerrikCale
08-23-07, 08:06 PM You can find my objections to the book at Candlekeep.com. :) Be warned, though, some of my comments are pretty snarky and probably more mean than comments I would write now (maybe).

I will state that the problems I had with the book didn't only have to do with lore and setting changes, but also simply the way the books were written.

now now. I thought the book was a relatively good yarn despite some of the perceived Realmsian probs
GothicDan
08-23-07, 09:49 PM Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;)

The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar.
Lord Karsus
08-24-07, 10:38 AM The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar.

-Gramerr is teh r0xXxx!!!1!
MerrikCale
08-24-07, 08:56 PM Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;)

The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar.

1. I wouldn't even try to change her opinions on the books. I was just saying that I thought they were decent. Thats all.

2. Am I part of the anti-chosen/el crowd? Me thinsk I'm preety goods ats grammer
Lord Karsus
08-24-07, 10:47 PM Oh, nevermind...
GothicDan
08-24-07, 10:53 PM Merrik, you are cute!

Anyway, sorry for contributing do this going off-topic. I won't post again unless it's directly relating to something more appropriate. :)
MerrikCale
08-25-07, 09:01 AM Merrik, you are cute!

I blush, sir
MarkusTay63
08-25-07, 10:57 AM The biggest problem -

There were Elves in it. :P

At least thats what I've heard.... ;)
Lord Karsus
08-25-07, 05:53 PM The biggest problem -

There were Elves in it. :P

At least thats what I've heard.... ;)

-Actually, I hear that 4e is going to contain a retcon that changes that. According to what I heard, the 4e version of the events is that the Dwarven Crusade from Everdeep is going to reestablish Myth Drannor. They even plant the Tree of Spirits (Get it? :D)Funny thing, those retcons...:D
MarkusTay63
08-25-07, 11:33 PM Yup, and they are getting rid of the Gnomes........

because the Halflings ate them all up. :D
Dark Wizard
08-26-07, 01:28 AM [Wild baseless 4E rumor] Gnomes are being replaced by Leprechauns because they have more innate recognition - the Leprechaun movies, Lucky Charms, Notre Dame mascot. I mean when was the last time a gnome appeared anywhere, the Travelocity commercials were the best gig they've gotten since they took up gardening as a species.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-30-07, 09:30 AM That would explain why I couldn't find them with a search here. Thanks, Rinoalyrna.

You're welcome...and enjoy.;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-30-07, 09:33 AM Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;)

Indeed.:) If other people like the books, that's wonderful. But I read them...and didn't care for them. My opinion has been formed and will not change.

And that's coming from someone who does like Elminster, the Chosen, Mystra and the Weave, so I'm not one of those people who complains about those things.
MerrikCale
08-30-07, 07:46 PM And that's coming from someone who does like Elminster, the Chosen, Mystra and the Weave, so I'm not one of those people who complains about those things.

Why? :confused:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MarkHall 08-21-07, 11:54 AM	I've done some searching for previous threads on the topic, but I can't find the summations others have made. What are the problems you see with that trilogy? What did you enjoy about it?
Lord Karsus 08-22-07, 01:18 AM	-I'll just mention the Tree of Souls, and the color of Queen Amlauril's hair, and call it a day.
ericlboyd 08-22-07, 07:40 AM	Grand History of the Realms addresses the Tree of Souls issue by explaining the apparent contradiction between the Final Gate and Elves of Evermeet. Hopefully, the way in which we did it opens up some new plot hooks as a result. --Eric
Lord Karsus 08-22-07, 10:54 AM	Grand History of the Realms addresses the Tree of Souls issue by explaining the apparent contradiction between the Final Gate and Elves of Evermeet. Hopefully, the way in which we did it opens up some new plot hooks as a result. --Eric -I've spoken with both Brian and George, and if some of the things they have said are what is going to be in AGHotR (and I believe that they will be) concerning this issue, I am still not satisfied. But, not that it really matters, but I'm just sayin'.
ericlboyd 08-22-07, 03:28 PM	-I've spoken with both Brian and George, and if some of the things they have said are what is going to be in AGHotR (and I believe that they will be) concerning this issue, I am still not satisfied. But, not that it really matters, but I'm just sayin'. I did the final twist on this story in GH, so please wait for that and then give your verdict. --Eric
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-22-07, 03:36 PM	What are the problems you see with that trilogy? What did you enjoy about it? Just saying that discussing this topic here isn't the best idea, because it is likely go against the forum rules about discussing how novels are written and criticism of authors. It's shaky ground.
Iakhovas 08-22-07, 08:01 PM	I did the final twist on this story in GH, so please wait for that and then give your verdict.--EricOoooh. Now I'm intrigued.
MarkusTay63 08-22-07, 08:44 PM	Now THATS funny Even you're looking forward to GHotR. :D
MarkHall 08-22-07, 09:15 PM	Just saying that discussing this topic here isn't the best idea, because it is likely go against the forum rules about discussing how novels are written and criticism of authors. It's shaky ground. The reason I ask is that people state that they have "well-known" problems with it which aren't well known to me. Now, it meshed nicely with some ideas I was going to do, anyway, so it was easy to base a campaign with that as a starting point, but I was wondering what people's objections were.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-23-07, 01:36 PM	The reason I ask is that people state that they have "well-known" problems with it which aren't well known to me. Now, it meshed nicely with some ideas I was going to do, anyway, so it was easy to base a campaign with that as a starting point, but I was wondering what people's objections were. You can find my objections to the book at Candlekeep.com. :) Be warned, though, some of my comments are pretty snarky and probably more mean than comments I would write now (maybe). I will state that the problems I had with the book didn't only have to do with lore and setting changes, but also simply the way the books were written.
MarkHall 08-23-07, 07:01 PM	That would explain why I couldn't find them with a search here. Thanks, Rinoalyrna.
Paix 08-23-07, 07:21 PM	We were recently hoping to make a campaign with an epic feel and we thought that the Last Mythal would offer a ready made narrative for such a campaign. Due to time limitations I was only able to read the third part of the trilogy so my view is probably incomplete. I do not recall noticing any problems with it, in terms of lore. We picked it up because both Myth Drannor and the concept of the Fey'ri seemed very interesting. Perhaps the devils were a bit too easily defeated and I expected a lot of action involving phaerimm, especially since the latter were freed from beneath Anauroch but do not quote me on the last part as I am not certain about the chronology of events. If you are looking for a critique of writing style, I cannot help as the fantasy genre is largely unknown to me. I can only only advise to take things offered on these boards with a pinch of salt because there are many that seem to see Elminsters and Drizzts popping up everywhere and on top of that, these fictional novel characters are oppressing their games too! And that's from someone that rarely visits these boards. The fact that the company chose to ban discussion of its own products on its own forums (why did they not ban the users?) says it all I think.
GothicDan 08-23-07, 07:43 PM	The majority of problems I have with the trilogy (from what I know) are largely thematic issues and (admittedly) minor mistakes in lore (aside from the Tree of Souls bit).
Iakhovas 08-23-07, 07:50 PM	Now THATS funny. Even you're looking forward to GHotR. :DIndeed! My submission ended at 1375 DR. Anything in the GHotR beyond that year will be new to me. Eric Boyd and Chris Perkins told me at Gen Con I'm in for a big surprise. A good surprise I hope. :ayyyy!:
MerrikCale 08-23-07, 08:06 PM	You can find my objections to the book at Candlekeep.com. :) Be warned, though, some of my comments are pretty snarky and probably more mean than comments I would write now (maybe). I will state that the problems I had with the book didn't only have to do with lore and setting changes, but also simply the way the books were written. now now. I thought the book was a relatively good yarn despite some of the perceived Realmsian probs
GothicDan 08-23-07, 09:49 PM	Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;) The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar.
Lord Karsus 08-24-07, 10:38 AM	The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar. -Gramerr is teh r0xXxx!!!1!
MerrikCale 08-24-07, 08:56 PM	Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;) The trilogy has some opponents who are just as bit as vicious as the Anti-Chosen/Elminster/Mystra crowd - we just tend to be a little more informed regarding canon. And grammar. 1. I wouldn't even try to change her opinions on the books. I was just saying that I thought they were decent. Thats all. 2. Am I part of the anti-chosen/el crowd? Me thinsk I'm preety goods ats grammer
Lord Karsus 08-24-07, 10:47 PM	Oh, nevermind...
GothicDan 08-24-07, 10:53 PM	Merrik, you are cute! Anyway, sorry for contributing do this going off-topic. I won't post again unless it's directly relating to something more appropriate. :)
MerrikCale 08-25-07, 09:01 AM	Merrik, you are cute! I blush, sir
MarkusTay63 08-25-07, 10:57 AM	The biggest problem - There were Elves in it. :P At least thats what I've heard.... ;)
Lord Karsus 08-25-07, 05:53 PM	The biggest problem - There were Elves in it. :P At least thats what I've heard.... ;) -Actually, I hear that 4e is going to contain a retcon that changes that. According to what I heard, the 4e version of the events is that the Dwarven Crusade from Everdeep is going to reestablish Myth Drannor. They even plant the Tree of Spirits (Get it? :D)Funny thing, those retcons...:D
MarkusTay63 08-25-07, 11:33 PM	Yup, and they are getting rid of the Gnomes........ because the Halflings ate them all up. :D
Dark Wizard 08-26-07, 01:28 AM	[Wild baseless 4E rumor] Gnomes are being replaced by Leprechauns because they have more innate recognition - the Leprechaun movies, Lucky Charms, Notre Dame mascot. I mean when was the last time a gnome appeared anywhere, the Travelocity commercials were the best gig they've gotten since they took up gardening as a species.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-30-07, 09:30 AM	That would explain why I couldn't find them with a search here. Thanks, Rinoalyrna. You're welcome...and enjoy.;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-30-07, 09:33 AM	Well, obviously your opinion isn't going to change Rino's. I've personally witnessed her immense disappointment in the books. ;) Indeed.:) If other people like the books, that's wonderful. But I read them...and didn't care for them. My opinion has been formed and will not change. And that's coming from someone who does like Elminster, the Chosen, Mystra and the Weave, so I'm not one of those people who complains about those things.
MerrikCale 08-30-07, 07:46 PM	And that's coming from someone who does like Elminster, the Chosen, Mystra and the Weave, so I'm not one of those people who complains about those things. Why? :confused: