R.I.P. Shadowdale [Archive] - Wizards Community

R.I.P. Shadowdale [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dutch206
05-05-07, 09:32 AM Yes, this is another rant about the direction of the forgotten realms setting.

A quote from the May 2007 previews column:

Shadowdale Lies Conquered! Who Can Free This Oppressed Land?

Zhentish soldiers, Maerimydran drow, and Sharran cultists have forged a dark alliance to subjugate the peaceful land of Shadowdale. Elminster's tower lies in ruins, Lord Amcathra governs at the sufferance of the dale's conquerors, and the very Weave of magic in this embattled land seems to fray with each passing day. The Zhentish yoke lies heavy over Shadowdale -- but the Dalesfolk are ready to fight for their freedom, if only they can find true heroes to lead the way!

Goodbye Forgotten Realms, Hello Eberron.
Francius
05-05-07, 09:59 AM Yes, this is another rant about the direction of the forgotten realms setting.
Goodbye Forgotten Realms, Hello Eberron.

You may not like how the events are turning out, but that's solely your opinion. If you do not like them, just exclude them from your campaign.
Do we need to point that out for you?

Anyhow, Shadowdale will be rebuilt and the Dalesfolk will once again prevail at the end of the super adventure trilogy modules.

So goodnight, sweet prince.

PS-By the way, you didn't happen to read some of the comparisons between the two worlds' sizes (Forgotten Realms >>> Eberron), felt somewhat small and so decided to come here and put down a rant against the FR, did ya?

No more rants - thank you.
MarkusTay63
05-05-07, 10:00 AM Actually, taking El out of the picture and putting him even further into the background of the Realms is a good thing. It brings adventurers, not Chosen, to the forefront of the game.

IMG, I would much rather have a group of heroes come in and battle valiantly to save Shadowdale then have the 'Old Mage' snap his fingers and send the lot of them to a lower plane. I don't know about Eberron, but I think 'powering down' the Realms makes it more old school, a'la GH, where the actions of CHARACTERS mattered.

This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book.

PS-By the way, you didn't happen to read some of the comparisons between the two worlds' sizes (Forgotten Realms >>> Eberron), felt somewhat small and so decided to come here and put down a rant against the FR, did ya?Sounds to me that they have a bad case of 'Planet Envy'. :P

@Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out".

Not being a pr_ck or anything, but that came off a little 'harsh', and I know your useage has been mistaken for beligerance in the past. So since I like you, I am merely pointing this out before anyone else takes offense. ;)
The Ubbergeek
05-05-07, 10:01 AM Forgotten Realms was about this, too. What? You means they don't have bloody wars with partisans after all?

Fact, I like this. Imagine the roleplaying ideas out of it! You could play a resistant or a collabo or a soldier, or some Joe trying to keep neutrality...
Francius
05-05-07, 10:01 AM IMG, I would much rather have a group of heroes come in and battle valiantly to save Shadowdale then have the 'Old Mage' snap his fingers and send the lot of them to a lower plane.

This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book.

Agreed.
The Ubbergeek
05-05-07, 10:02 AM This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book.

RSE?
Francius
05-05-07, 10:15 AM @Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out".

Not being a pr_ck or anything, but that came off a little 'harsh', and I know your useage has been mistaken for beligerance in the past. So since I like you, I am merely pointing this out before anyone else takes offense. ;)

Offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"?

I think you're exagerating. :D

Oh - and it's beligerence :P
Dielzen
05-05-07, 10:26 AM RSE?

Realms Shaking Event
MarkusTay63
05-05-07, 10:33 AM Offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"?

I think you're exagerating. :DI am only saying this because I like you. I don't want anyone else twisting your meaning because of 'conjugation problems', or what-not.

I was a LONG TIME member of another board until recently, and MOST of the members were non-American, from all over the world. Even though ½ of them were British, we still ran into problems on occasion because there are even some slight differences in useage 'across the pond'. I remember one Russian girl who got herself in trouble repeatedly because her English wasn't perfect, and she came off very 'blunt' when discussing other people's artwork. I am lucky enough to be used to the differences in how people speak, but some folks around here are not.

Please don't take offense to me, I am only trying to be helpful. Maybe I was a bit quick with that, but I wanted to nip it in the bud. :)
Francius
05-05-07, 10:42 AM I am only saying this because I like you. I don't want anyone else twisting your meaning because of 'conjugation problems', or what-not.
Please don't take offense to me, I am only trying to be helpful. Maybe I was a bit quick with that, but I wanted to nip it in the bud. :)

I understand what you wrote, but I am afraid I have to ask you again:

"Others" will get offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"?

You say that I have some conjugation problems with the English language.
Hmm..let's review what I wrote before, shall we?

Do we need to pinpoint that for you?

Pinpoint = noun.[...],verb used with object.[...], to locate or describe exactly or precisely: to pinpoint the problem.

Then if we substitute the verb pinpoint with its meaning, we get:

Do we need to describe that exactly for you?

So what's wrong with the above sentence of mine? And, most of all, why should anyone take offense from it? :thinks:

Anyhow, I thank you for your concern...:tongue:
Fabius Maximus
05-05-07, 12:02 PM I understand what you wrote, but I am afraid I have to ask you again:

"Others" will get offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"?

You say that I have some conjugation problems with the English language.
Hmm..let's review what I wrote before, shall we?

Do we need to pinpoint that for you?

Pinpoint = noun.[...],verb used with object.[...], to locate or describe exactly or precisely: to pinpoint the problem.

Then if we substitute the verb pinpoint with its meaning, we get:

Do we need to describe that exactly for you?

So what's wrong with the above sentence of mine? And, most of all, why should anyone take offense from it? :thinks:

Anyhow, I thank you for your concern...:tongue:
Well, the sentence is redundant in terms of a polite discussion. It sounds aggressive, and that has nothing to do with grammar, but with some kind of annoyance you feel for the OP's post.

I noticed this style of posting in many of your posts, Francius. Such sentences only serve to create a more aggressive reaction from the ones you're talking with, which leads frequently to violations of the boards code. The method is called baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(Internet)).

I don't know if you're doing it on purpose, but you should try to stop it.
Francius
05-05-07, 12:13 PM Well, the sentence is redundant in terms of a polite discussion. It sounds aggressive, and that has nothing to do with grammar, but with some kind of annoyance you feel for the OP's post.

I noticed this style of posting in many of your posts, Francius. Such sentences only serve to create a more aggressive reaction from the ones you're talking with, which leads frequently to violations of the boards code. The method is called baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(Internet)).

I don't know if you're doing it on purpose, but you should try to stop it.

Hey Fabius.

Gimme a break will ya? Wikis links and staff... :rolleyes: :D

I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps?

Besides, Markus' note about my sentence involved pointing out how it was grammatically at fault.

Here's what he wrote again:
@Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out".

What I sequentialy explained, had clearly got do in proving him that his note was not so absolute.

However, as I said before, rants are tiresome for everyone - not just me.

So, like Kidd SixXx said too (the one thing he agreed with), let's just enjoy our favourite setting.
MarkusTay63
05-05-07, 01:35 PM Boy, did I de-rail this topic (accidentily) quickly. :rolleyes:

When you "point something out", it is more like you are just showing them something that may prove helpful to them.

When you 'pinpoint' something, it is a less personal and more business-like approach, and comes off like you are physically taking them by the scruff of the neck and shoving their face in it. They may mean the same thing, but the impersonal useage just comes off sounding like their is some physical exertion on your part, and is therefore more agressive, at least on a subconscious level.

I remember referring to an El Salvedorian friend of mine as a "Basurra Hombre", because he got a job as a sanitation worker. He was highly offended. :(

In English, the direct translation is "Garbage Man", which means the same as sanitation worker.

In Spanish, I referred to him as a "Man of garbage", which he took to mean that I was calling him garbage.

You can know the words, but mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives, unfortunately.
Fabius Maximus
05-05-07, 02:51 PM Hey Fabius.

Gimme a break will ya? Wikis links and staff... :rolleyes: :D

I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps?

No. Just don't say or write stuff like that at all.
GothicDan
05-05-07, 03:25 PM Giggle.
Francius
05-05-07, 04:08 PM When you "point something out", it is more like you are just showing them something that may prove helpful to them.

When you 'pinpoint' something, it is a less personal and more business-like approach, and comes off like you are physically taking them by the scruff of the neck and shoving their face in it. They may mean the same thing, but the impersonal useage just comes off sounding like their is some physical exertion on your part, and is therefore more agressive, at least on a subconscious level.

I had already edited my line the first time you advised me to, so are you still insisting on this Markus?

Kinda makes you... "palloso".

-(and don't ask me what that means)-

You can know the words, but mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives, unfortunately.

The words mean just what the dictionary attributes them to mean, not what the single individual acknowledges them to.

"Mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives"....... :OMG! :OMG!

:rofl:
Francius
05-05-07, 04:09 PM No. Just don't say or write stuff like that at all.

Clear your thoughts.

I told you:

I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps?

Besides, Markus' note about my sentence involved pointing out how it was grammatically at fault.

Here's what he wrote again:
@Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out".

What I sequentialy explained, had clearly got do in proving him that his note was not so absolute.

However, as I said before, rants are tiresome for everyone - not just me.

So, like Kidd SixXx said too (the one thing he agreed with), let's just enjoy our favourite setting

Gee wheez...and I even tried to be gentle this time...

:rolleyes:
ORC_Paradox
05-06-07, 03:59 AM Wow, talk about way off topic!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
dutch206 05-05-07, 09:32 AM	Yes, this is another rant about the direction of the forgotten realms setting. A quote from the May 2007 previews column: Shadowdale Lies Conquered! Who Can Free This Oppressed Land? Zhentish soldiers, Maerimydran drow, and Sharran cultists have forged a dark alliance to subjugate the peaceful land of Shadowdale. Elminster's tower lies in ruins, Lord Amcathra governs at the sufferance of the dale's conquerors, and the very Weave of magic in this embattled land seems to fray with each passing day. The Zhentish yoke lies heavy over Shadowdale -- but the Dalesfolk are ready to fight for their freedom, if only they can find true heroes to lead the way! Goodbye Forgotten Realms, Hello Eberron.
Francius 05-05-07, 09:59 AM	Yes, this is another rant about the direction of the forgotten realms setting. Goodbye Forgotten Realms, Hello Eberron. You may not like how the events are turning out, but that's solely your opinion. If you do not like them, just exclude them from your campaign. Do we need to point that out for you? Anyhow, Shadowdale will be rebuilt and the Dalesfolk will once again prevail at the end of the super adventure trilogy modules. So goodnight, sweet prince. PS-By the way, you didn't happen to read some of the comparisons between the two worlds' sizes (Forgotten Realms >>> Eberron), felt somewhat small and so decided to come here and put down a rant against the FR, did ya? No more rants - thank you.
MarkusTay63 05-05-07, 10:00 AM	Actually, taking El out of the picture and putting him even further into the background of the Realms is a good thing. It brings adventurers, not Chosen, to the forefront of the game. IMG, I would much rather have a group of heroes come in and battle valiantly to save Shadowdale then have the 'Old Mage' snap his fingers and send the lot of them to a lower plane. I don't know about Eberron, but I think 'powering down' the Realms makes it more old school, a'la GH, where the actions of CHARACTERS mattered. This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book. PS-By the way, you didn't happen to read some of the comparisons between the two worlds' sizes (Forgotten Realms >>> Eberron), felt somewhat small and so decided to come here and put down a rant against the FR, did ya?Sounds to me that they have a bad case of 'Planet Envy'. :P @Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out". Not being a pr_ck or anything, but that came off a little 'harsh', and I know your useage has been mistaken for beligerance in the past. So since I like you, I am merely pointing this out before anyone else takes offense. ;)
The Ubbergeek 05-05-07, 10:01 AM	Forgotten Realms was about this, too. What? You means they don't have bloody wars with partisans after all? Fact, I like this. Imagine the roleplaying ideas out of it! You could play a resistant or a collabo or a soldier, or some Joe trying to keep neutrality...
Francius 05-05-07, 10:01 AM	IMG, I would much rather have a group of heroes come in and battle valiantly to save Shadowdale then have the 'Old Mage' snap his fingers and send the lot of them to a lower plane. This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book. Agreed.
The Ubbergeek 05-05-07, 10:02 AM	This is definately keeping with Ed's original flavor, and not one of those gawd-aweful RSE's. As long as it doesn't end with something that changes "life as we know it" in Faerūn, then its alright in my book. RSE?
Francius 05-05-07, 10:15 AM	@Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out". Not being a pr_ck or anything, but that came off a little 'harsh', and I know your useage has been mistaken for beligerance in the past. So since I like you, I am merely pointing this out before anyone else takes offense. ;) Offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"? I think you're exagerating. :D Oh - and it's beligerence :P
Dielzen 05-05-07, 10:26 AM	RSE? Realms Shaking Event
MarkusTay63 05-05-07, 10:33 AM	Offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"? I think you're exagerating. :DI am only saying this because I like you. I don't want anyone else twisting your meaning because of 'conjugation problems', or what-not. I was a LONG TIME member of another board until recently, and MOST of the members were non-American, from all over the world. Even though ½ of them were British, we still ran into problems on occasion because there are even some slight differences in useage 'across the pond'. I remember one Russian girl who got herself in trouble repeatedly because her English wasn't perfect, and she came off very 'blunt' when discussing other people's artwork. I am lucky enough to be used to the differences in how people speak, but some folks around here are not. Please don't take offense to me, I am only trying to be helpful. Maybe I was a bit quick with that, but I wanted to nip it in the bud. :)
Francius 05-05-07, 10:42 AM	I am only saying this because I like you. I don't want anyone else twisting your meaning because of 'conjugation problems', or what-not. Please don't take offense to me, I am only trying to be helpful. Maybe I was a bit quick with that, but I wanted to nip it in the bud. :) I understand what you wrote, but I am afraid I have to ask you again: "Others" will get offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"? You say that I have some conjugation problems with the English language. Hmm..let's review what I wrote before, shall we? Do we need to pinpoint that for you? Pinpoint = noun.[...],verb used with object.[...], to locate or describe exactly or precisely: to pinpoint the problem. Then if we substitute the verb pinpoint with its meaning, we get: Do we need to describe that exactly for you? So what's wrong with the above sentence of mine? And, most of all, why should anyone take offense from it? :thinks: Anyhow, I thank you for your concern...:tongue:
Fabius Maximus 05-05-07, 12:02 PM	I understand what you wrote, but I am afraid I have to ask you again: "Others" will get offended by what? That I initially wrote "pinpoint" instead of "point out"? You say that I have some conjugation problems with the English language. Hmm..let's review what I wrote before, shall we? Do we need to pinpoint that for you? Pinpoint = noun.[...],verb used with object.[...], to locate or describe exactly or precisely: to pinpoint the problem. Then if we substitute the verb pinpoint with its meaning, we get: Do we need to describe that exactly for you? So what's wrong with the above sentence of mine? And, most of all, why should anyone take offense from it? :thinks: Anyhow, I thank you for your concern...:tongue: Well, the sentence is redundant in terms of a polite discussion. It sounds aggressive, and that has nothing to do with grammar, but with some kind of annoyance you feel for the OP's post. I noticed this style of posting in many of your posts, Francius. Such sentences only serve to create a more aggressive reaction from the ones you're talking with, which leads frequently to violations of the boards code. The method is called baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(Internet)). I don't know if you're doing it on purpose, but you should try to stop it.
Francius 05-05-07, 12:13 PM	Well, the sentence is redundant in terms of a polite discussion. It sounds aggressive, and that has nothing to do with grammar, but with some kind of annoyance you feel for the OP's post. I noticed this style of posting in many of your posts, Francius. Such sentences only serve to create a more aggressive reaction from the ones you're talking with, which leads frequently to violations of the boards code. The method is called baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_(Internet)). I don't know if you're doing it on purpose, but you should try to stop it. Hey Fabius. Gimme a break will ya? Wikis links and staff... :rolleyes: :D I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps? Besides, Markus' note about my sentence involved pointing out how it was grammatically at fault. Here's what he wrote again: @Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out". What I sequentialy explained, had clearly got do in proving him that his note was not so absolute. However, as I said before, rants are tiresome for everyone - not just me. So, like Kidd SixXx said too (the one thing he agreed with), let's just enjoy our favourite setting.
MarkusTay63 05-05-07, 01:35 PM	Boy, did I de-rail this topic (accidentily) quickly. :rolleyes: When you "point something out", it is more like you are just showing them something that may prove helpful to them. When you 'pinpoint' something, it is a less personal and more business-like approach, and comes off like you are physically taking them by the scruff of the neck and shoving their face in it. They may mean the same thing, but the impersonal useage just comes off sounding like their is some physical exertion on your part, and is therefore more agressive, at least on a subconscious level. I remember referring to an El Salvedorian friend of mine as a "Basurra Hombre", because he got a job as a sanitation worker. He was highly offended. :( In English, the direct translation is "Garbage Man", which means the same as sanitation worker. In Spanish, I referred to him as a "Man of garbage", which he took to mean that I was calling him garbage. You can know the words, but mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives, unfortunately.
Fabius Maximus 05-05-07, 02:51 PM	Hey Fabius. Gimme a break will ya? Wikis links and staff... :rolleyes: :D I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps? No. Just don't say or write stuff like that at all.
GothicDan 05-05-07, 03:25 PM	Giggle.
Francius 05-05-07, 04:08 PM	When you "point something out", it is more like you are just showing them something that may prove helpful to them. When you 'pinpoint' something, it is a less personal and more business-like approach, and comes off like you are physically taking them by the scruff of the neck and shoving their face in it. They may mean the same thing, but the impersonal useage just comes off sounding like their is some physical exertion on your part, and is therefore more agressive, at least on a subconscious level. I had already edited my line the first time you advised me to, so are you still insisting on this Markus? Kinda makes you... "palloso". -(and don't ask me what that means)- You can know the words, but mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives, unfortunately. The words mean just what the dictionary attributes them to mean, not what the single individual acknowledges them to. "Mild inflections on them is lost to non-natives"....... :OMG! :OMG! :rofl:
Francius 05-05-07, 04:09 PM	No. Just don't say or write stuff like that at all. Clear your thoughts. I told you: I already said that it's not an offensive line. In which other way am I supposed to say it? Doitch, perhaps? Besides, Markus' note about my sentence involved pointing out how it was grammatically at fault. Here's what he wrote again: @Francius - A small note on the Elglish language. You usually only 'pinpoint' something physical in nature, like a location. When dealing with abstracts, like ideas, you "point something out". What I sequentialy explained, had clearly got do in proving him that his note was not so absolute. However, as I said before, rants are tiresome for everyone - not just me. So, like Kidd SixXx said too (the one thing he agreed with), let's just enjoy our favourite setting Gee wheez...and I even tried to be gentle this time... :rolleyes:
ORC_Paradox 05-06-07, 03:59 AM	Wow, talk about way off topic!