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B4Real 01-08-04, 11:43 AM	It appears that the information needed for the FR races is in the campaign setting book. So what is the purpose of the races of Faerun accessory? ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-08-04, 12:17 PM	Well, you don't really NEED any FR products. All you need to play D&D is the 3 core books. However, if you like flavor, and fluffy info about the monsters, places, races and cultures of Faerun, this book is the right place to look. And after all, im sure that 90% of the people here play FR for the detail that is put into the setting, Races of Faerun is one of the books that make the world detailed.
Dorlomin 01-08-04, 02:21 PM	Originally posted by B4Real It appears that the information needed for the FR races is in the campaign setting book. So what is the purpose of the races of Faerun accessory? ~B4Real No, you don't need it, it's mostly fluff. However I think most people that play in FR like it for the fluff. And as far as fluff goes, this one's pretty good.
Mystery Man 01-08-04, 02:36 PM	I've been finding myself cracking that book open more and more lately for reference. I'm glad I bought it.
Faraer 01-08-04, 02:54 PM	Races of Faerūn has information about the Forgotten Realms, which one assumes is what people who like the Realms and post to a Forgotten Realms message board want. Am I missing something here?
B4Real 01-08-04, 03:18 PM	Originally posted by Dorlomin No, you don't need it, it's mostly fluff. However I think most people that play in FR like it for the fluff. And as far as fluff goes, this one's pretty good. Thank you for answering my question w/o all of the window dressing. :) ~B4Real
JemyM 01-08-04, 03:33 PM	By all the FR3e books I have read so far, Races of Faerūn is the book that given me the most. While Lords of Darkness is good for getting a BBEG to your campaign, Races of Faerūn offers flavor. Lots and lots of flavor, that puts more life into any campaign, regardless of plot. It makes the world more colorful and breathes of unique fantasy culture.
Lashan 01-08-04, 05:41 PM	It's the first supplement that really goes into any detail of the various human cultures. I've been waiting for that for years.
Wooly Rupert 01-08-04, 06:41 PM	Originally posted by Lashan It's the first supplement that really goes into any detail of the various human cultures. I've been waiting for that for years. Yeah, that's true. Now you can finally make your Dalesman be different from your Tethyrian...
Erpa 01-08-04, 09:28 PM	Originally posted by Lashan It's the first supplement that really goes into any detail of the various human cultures. I've been waiting for that for years. Now...I ask this as person who has everything second editon-wise for the Realms (pardon my ignorance of not knowing what everyone else has access to)- -but what does Races of Faerun offer that I haven't already seen?
Lashan 01-08-04, 09:42 PM	It goes into detail about each human culture. What detail? The book talks about history for each race, which is great for many of the races. It talks about when Damarans were really considered a seperate culture and what historical events shape their outlook. With this in mind, it goes into detail for characteristics of said culture, such as outlook and personal value. After that, what classes and PrC's are common. Are there any special magics that the race partakes in? There is a list of common magical items that each culture holds true. Which religions are especially worshipped in said culture. This is the case with all races, really, but I have found it especially useful for human cultures. I don't think that there really is a book that goes into detail about the human culutres at all. I mean, you can get a book on the Old Empires and kind of read about it, but not quite the same as reading about the Mulan in the Races of Faerun. None of these things are as DM useful as say Lords of Darkness, but I think that many players would get interested in this product more the LoD. You don't have to have the book to play in FR, but I have found it gives a lot of background and perspective for many of the different cultures and races in FR.
Erpa 01-08-04, 09:46 PM	Interesting enough; the parts of the human culture seems to be the draw for me. The Old Empires are particularly interesting, even if 2nd Edition only gave the briefest of details of these places, and barely to really use them. Amazon has some of these books for cheap. :D I do like me some good fluff writing, but I'm wary of just getting old info repackaged with the spanky 3E look to them.
Wooly Rupert 01-08-04, 10:12 PM	I, too, have just about all the second edition Realms stuff -- first edition, too. And I think that Races of Faerūn is well worth the cover price. It's a great supplement. Anyway, RoF does for the various races -- including humans -- what the godbooks did for the deities of the Realms. Were those books necessary for playing the the Realms? Nay. But did they add a richness of detail that really fleshed out the deities, and added flavor to the Realms in general? Oh yes indeedy they did! Let me tell you of the entries. Each race or region (for example, Human, Calishite, or Human, Chondathan) first lists the regions were you'll find this type. It also lists racial feats for them. So, keeping with the examples names, Chondathan humies have racial feats that are different of those that the Chalishite humies have. Next it talks about the race/regional group. The first section is kind of an overview. In most cases, this is about half a page -- that right there is a lot more than we've been given in the past, for some of these groups. Next is the History of the race. This, too, is nicely detailed. After that is the group's Outlook. How do they get thru life? Why do some of them adventure? Next is the Characters. What classes do these people tend to take, with what combinations? A subsection under here is Prestige Classes. Next is a brief discussion of the race's society. The Language and Literacy section not only discusses the language and alphabet used in that region, it also talks about second languages that race/group tends to take. The Magic and Lore section is broken into two areas: Spells and Spellcasting, and Magic Items. What are the race's Spellcasting Traditions, and what Unique Spells do they use? What magic items do they favor, which ones are common, and which ones are iconic of that race? The next section is on the deities worshipped by that group or race. Not only does it list the deities, but it goes into detail, too. For example, ancient Jaamdath was one of the first humie cultures to learn to write, so Deneir is widely worshipped there. Relations with other Races follows that. Chondathans, for example, aren't fond of elves, the plane-touched, or half-orcs. They like the short folk, though, as well as Calishites, Damarans, Shaarans, Tethyrians, and Turami. Equipment is the next section, and is broken into Arms and Armor, and Animals and Pets. Under Animals and Pets is Associated Creature. The last section is mostly crunch: the Region. It lists Preferred Classes, Automatic Languages, Bonus Languages, Regional Feats, and Bonus Equipment. All the major races are listed, along with their subtypes (6 types of dwarves, 7 types of elf, 3 types of half-elf, etc). Humans have 7 fully described regional groups, and a bunch of others are briefly discussed. There's a chapter on the plane-touched, with each flavor getting a couple of pages. There's a chapter on the minor races, too. This lists critters like kir-lanan, yuan-ti, shades, wemics, and a few others. And then, of course, there's the Appendix, with equipment, feats, magic items, new monsters, new spells, and new prestige classes (including elven High Mage and the dwarven Battlerager). So, does that answer your question?
JemyM 01-09-04, 04:02 AM	I personally liked "Warsling Sniper", as the leading edge halfling slungshooter. While I felt the human descriptions the best part of the book, the rest is not bad either. It gave me inspiration to start using very odd races, as my group travels alot. Frost/Wild Dwarf for example. I also finally learned the true differences between shield and gold dwarf.
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-10-04, 12:52 AM	My copy is on it's way now...
Desies 01-10-04, 01:08 PM	Races of Faerun adds a couple Dwarven, Elven, and Gnome subraces. As well as some orcs. That alone should make it worth while.
WizO_BigSister 01-10-04, 06:42 PM	Three cheers RoF, and for fluff :thumbsup: It helps me add depth to the characters I create and/or DM, layers of reality to the world they live in, personality and interest to the people they come across. It adds quirkiness and individuality to the world they roam, it gives a sense of realism to the things they do. Granted this is not necessary for all styles of playing ... and my style isn't "superior" or "more correct" than anyone elses. The true beauty of the Realms is that it allows all styles to be played - gives you a choice. So back to the question of RoF: Do you really need this book? That depends entirely on the styles of games you are involved in :)
B4Real 01-13-04, 12:39 PM	The extra books are not really needed to run the campaign Forgotten Realms. What I wonder is why some of the info. that is in these books could not have been condensed into a fewer number of books rather than spreading them out(4-5 books) and charging 30 bucks for each and every one ? :confused: ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-13-04, 12:42 PM	Hu? I don't remember seeing that much reprinting in those books?
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-13-04, 08:47 PM	I'm confused as well. I have now aquired a good number of the FR books I also just got RoF today and have skimmed over it enough I feel I can make a fairly accurate statement on this. Of all the FR books I have i've yet to see more than 2 maybe three reprints (per book) and those are minor at that. In fact, the only major "reprints" I have noticed was in F&P and that was certian magic Item qualities that were in Magic of Faerun. But even those reprints were in a small corner bar that you would miss if skimming. Also after reading the FR sourcebooks and compairing them to my 3e collection. I have to say the FR books are put together better than the core 3e books are, and also have less 'reprints' per book than your typical 3e book. Plus I paid less than $30 per book. Hell, with the .com I use a barely break $20 a book after shipping. (no It's not ebay either) Also considering there are less FR book than 3e and the FR books have more bang for the $$ I'd say it's a good value to get them. No the extra books are not needed but they do make the FR setting better. PS. the best thing about RoF? It's not savage species....
JemyM 01-14-04, 03:42 AM	First of all, $30 is defenitly alot for a non hardback book. In sweden, they go for $40. Second, most of it is defenitly reprint. I have seen most of it before, scattered around. The good part thou, is that everything is collected into one book, easily accessible when needed. From the History of the Wild Dwarf, to Winged Elf's Culture, etc, everything reworked so they fit together in one world. There are Eight races of Elves, each one with their own origin, history, stronghold and future. Six races of dwarf, with detailed descriptions upon how the original tribe got divided to six unique ones. With RoF I dont need to turn upside down on 10+ books to find the same information, and then be forced to puzzle it all together. I have even been inspired to add things like Winged Elf Glass Treasure and a wierd encounter with Urdunnir deep underground.
Kuje31 01-14-04, 03:47 AM	Originally posted by JemyM First of all, $30 is defenitly alot for a non hardback book. In sweden, they go for $40. Second, most of it is defenitly reprint. I have seen most of it before, scattered around. Um? My copy of Races is hardback......
JemyM 01-14-04, 03:49 AM	Oh. I confused it with the other FR books.
Lashan 01-14-04, 11:38 AM	Some of the information is reprinted. I think there is enough info on elves published for FR to fill a few books just on them. There is a lot of info that has never been published before. Once again, I bring to the table the entire section on all the human cultures. The book was worth the price just for that information.
ErikkuShafer 01-14-04, 01:33 PM	I like the fluff :D It gives more indepth information, though not much I enjoy it. Some of my players don't understand the differences (well, the noob group) and then they read it. Plus it includes PrC and monsters, ect ;) And my book pile looks bigger..... yeah.... BAH! :behold:
B4Real 01-15-04, 01:53 PM	Second, most of it is defenitly reprint. I have seen most of it before, scattered around. Agreed. It's funny how consumers will do anything to justify them getting the short end of the marketing stick. ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-15-04, 02:20 PM	Agreed. It's funny how consumers will do anything to justify them getting the short end of the marketing stick. I think he's talking about FRCS, and if there is any reprint there, it would be from 2.ed, not 3.ed (since FRCS was the 2. book to come out for FR) Now, I have read most of the 2.ed stuff, and there is some (if not a lot) reprints in the FRCS, and there should be. It's the FR core book. Just like 3.ed core books reprint what AC stands for, and how to read a table, and what V, S and M stands for in the Spell description, the FRCS should reprint stuff like who Elminister is, and what Waterdeep is. However, there was a LOT of new info in that book, and it's is my most used book when I DM in the realms. (for my part atleast, the players use the players handbook more)
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-15-04, 07:25 PM	Cunnning I agree. After having read over half of RoF I have seen very little reprinted from other FR3e material. And If it was reprinted from 2e it was updated to 3e, as it should be. (note: I missed alot of the 2e realms as I was using just the 1e grey box due to lack of stores in my area) I also want to add after having also read F&P, Magic of Faerun, and Monsters of Faerun, I have found little reprinting outside of material that cross references other FR books. I would be curious to see a list of these supposed reprints that the book has to justify your "mainly reprints" allegation.
Wooly Rupert 01-15-04, 07:37 PM	Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes I would be curious to see a list of these supposed reprints that the book has to justify your "mainly reprints" allegation. I should like to see that, as well.
Lashan 01-15-04, 09:51 PM	As I stated before, I know that a lot of the info on the various elven races is reprint. The evlen races are usually given lavish detail in many FR products. Much of the history and culture of the elves have been published in other material. Some of the dwarven stuff was done in Dwarves Deep, the only supplement that dwarves have ever gotten in FR (but at least it is more then the other races!). With all that said, that is all I can think of that is a reprint of older material and is by far not a majority of the work in RoF. Even the bringing things up to 3E makes it worth it for those that have the older material. I mean, I don't buy a product soley on the elven or dwarven stuff. OK...I would buy it even if it was on the human stuff, but that is only b/c it has not been presented anywhere else before.
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-15-04, 11:04 PM	Originally posted by Lashan With all that said, that is all I can think of that is a reprint of older material and is by far not a majority of the work in RoF. Even the bringing things up to 3E makes it worth it for those that have the older material. I mean, I don't buy a product soley on the elven or dwarven stuff. OK...I would buy it even if it was on the human stuff, but that is only b/c it has not been presented anywhere else before. I want to add if it was from a prior ed technically it is not reprint it is update. My challenge to list the supposed reprints were in response to these statements: Second, most of it is defenitly reprint. I have seen most of it before, scattered around. and It's funny how consumers will do anything to justify them getting the short end of the marketing stick. Further more I challenge you to take copies of 3e books (especially the splats) and FR books and count the number reprinted material in them. I would alomst guarentee that the FR books comes in consideralbly lower.
JemyM 01-16-04, 04:10 AM	I started my campaign in Hlondeth - Vilhon Reach, and then found, to my luck, that Wizards released the Vilhon Reach book for free on the website. That was the first 2nd edition 'area book' I seen. After that, I got access to a frigid library of old FR books, and I have spent awhile to browse the books for things to my campaign. I do not think there is one area in all Faerūn that did not get an "area book" in 2nd edition. The entire Geography chapter is just the area-books, shorted down. Things like the history is just collected from all the books, and famous dungeons, races etc, it all have been published before. Its just rewritten, collected and polished. I do not believe there is one new race in Races of Faerūn, except maybee the humans. What I do like, however, is that I dont need to buy 139 books to get access to this information. You dont need more than Campaign Settings, Races of Faerūn and Lords of Darkness and perhaps one Area Book to make any campaign a rich, worthwhile experience.
B4Real 01-16-04, 08:42 AM	And since the Races of Faerun is already in the ,FR campaign setting, the extra book(Races of Faerun) is not needed at all. ~B4Real
B4Real 01-16-04, 08:46 AM	Further more I challenge you to take copies of 3e books (especially the splats) and FR books and count the number reprinted material in them. I would alomst guarentee that the FR books comes in consideralbly lower. This guy cannot really expect myself nor anyone else who has a life outside of DnD campaigns to count every re-print in the 3e books? Why don't you count them and get back to me? ~B4Real
JemyM 01-16-04, 08:59 AM	Originally posted by B4Real And since the Races of Faerun is already in the ,FR campaign setting, the extra book(Races of Faerun) is not needed at all. ~B4Real If thats your opinion, you dont need FRCS at all either. What makes FR in general is the world, thick of stuff that adds color to the story. Comparing the 'Race' chapter in FRCS with FoR is like comparing water to a perfectly made umbrella coctail. Sure, you can live with the water, but you will miss out the good stuff. Using FRCS alone gives you a slight hint upon what makes a Rock Gnome and Strongheart Halfling if you happen to meet them. With FoR you can create an entire adventure only based upon one race's culture. They cannot be compared.
B4Real 01-16-04, 09:05 AM	If thats your opinion, you dont need FRCS at all either. What makes FR in general is the world, thick of stuff that adds color to the story. LoL! That is like saying I should not have bought the Player's Handbook if I did not think that the Class guides(Tome and Blood, Fighter's guide, etc.) are worth the $$$ as well. Just because you may have fallen victim to a marketing ploy does not mean everyone else has to as well. ~B4Real
JemyM 01-16-04, 09:08 AM	Originally posted by B4Real LoL! That is like saying I should not have bought the Player's Handbook if I did not think that the Class guides(Tome and Blood, Fighter's guide, etc.) are worth the $$$ as well. ~B4Real Nice point. Although I consider FoR to add alot more to any adventure, than all the class guides together... :)
B4Real 01-16-04, 09:18 AM	Originally posted by JemyM Nice point. Although I consider FoR to add alot more to any adventure, than all the class guides together... :) Which is an opinion that you are entitled to. ~B4Real
JemyM 01-16-04, 09:31 AM	Originally posted by B4Real Which is an opinion that you are entitled to. ~B4Real My opinion is my reality, and you are currently a part of it. ;)
B4Real 01-16-04, 09:36 AM	Originally posted by JemyM My opinion is my reality, and you are currently a part of it. ;) If only your reality(opinion) and actual reality(fact) were one in the same eh ? ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-16-04, 09:59 AM	That is like saying I should not have bought the Player's Handbook if I did not think that the Class guides(Tome and Blood, Fighter's guide, etc.) are worth the $$$ as well. Just because you may have fallen victim to a marketing ploy does not mean everyone else has to as well. No thats not what he's saying. You need 3 books to play DnD, and only one if your a player. DMG, MM and PHB. FR is nothing more then a Fluff setting. It gives you new PrC and such, but it's all a rehashing of the rules you have in PHB and DMG. So what does FR have that normal D&D does not have? Detail! How did this world become so detailed? Books with history and info about the realms. The big question is, why would you play forgotten realms, if you don't like the detail?
JemyM 01-16-04, 10:05 AM	Fact: The Race's Section in FRCS is 10 pages, if you exclude the yellow panels. FRCS tells nothing about the races culture/history/popular areas and very little about their relation with other races. In FoR there are four pages per race, with absolutely everything you want to know about the race, and several options to make the race even more unique, making a real difference between Wild/Forest Elf and Shield/Gold Dwarf. Fact: In FRCS nothing is told about the 7 major and 20+ minor human ethnic groups and their culture. With FoR Illuskan and Calishite is very different people. Fact: FRCS tells nothing about Orcs, Kentaurs and smaller but yet important races such as Yuan-Ti and Lycanthrophes and why theese races put their impact on the world. Fact: In FRCS nothing is told about Wild Dwarf, Arctic Dwarf, Aerial Elf, Aquatic Elf, Forest Gnome, Half-Aquatic Elf, Fey'ri & Tanarukk. While not used in all campaigns, they add alot to campaigns related to their domain.
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:18 AM	So what does FR have that normal D&D does not have? Detail! Just how much detail is needed is up to the DM and the players. One only needs the FR CS book to run a Realms campaign(Just as one only needs the 3 core rulebooks to run a regular DnD campaign.). If one wishes to change over to the realms campaign purchasing the FR CS book is the only action(albeit a neccessary one.) one need take in order to make this change. Therefore, my point stands just as the class guide books are not needed in conjunction with the 3 core rulebooks, the extra Races of FR book is not needed in conjunction with the FR CS book. ~B4Real
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:20 AM	Originally posted by JemyM Fact: The Race's Section in FRCS is 10 pages, if you exclude the yellow panels. FRCS tells nothing about the races culture/history/popular areas and very little about their relation with other races. In FoR there are four pages per race, with absolutely everything you want to know about the race, and several options to make the race even more unique, making a real difference between Wild/Forest Elf and Shield/Gold Dwarf. Fact: In FRCS nothing is told about the 7 major and 20+ minor human ethnic groups and their culture. With FoR Illuskan and Calishite is very different people. Fact: FRCS tells nothing about Orcs, Kentaurs and smaller but yet important races such as Yuan-Ti and Lycanthrophes and why theese races put their impact on the world. Fact: In FRCS nothing is told about Wild Dwarf, Arctic Dwarf, Aerial Elf, Aquatic Elf, Forest Gnome, Half-Aquatic Elf, Fey'ri & Tanarukk. While not used in all campaigns, they add alot to campaigns related to their domain. Fact: None of this extra information is needed to run an FR campaign as I informed the gentleman above. ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-16-04, 10:27 AM	Just how much detail is needed is up to the DM and the players. One only needs the FR CS book to run a Realms campaign(Just as one only needs the 3 core rulebooks to run a regular DnD campaign.). If one wishes to change over to the realms campaign purchasing the FR CS book is the only action(albeit a neccessary one.) one need take in order to make this change. Tell me, WHY do you play Forgotten Realms? It's clear that its not the detail your looking for.
JemyM 01-16-04, 10:29 AM	:sigh: Its a difference between need for survival and need for quality. I say that RoF is a defenite need if you want quality.
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:31 AM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist Tell me, WHY do you play Forgotten Realms? It's clear that its not the detail your looking for. The Races of Faerun book is an accessory not a neccessity, there is a difference. I play FR for the same reason I play DnD period....for fun. ~B4Real
Wooly Rupert 01-16-04, 10:33 AM	Originally posted by JemyM I do not think there is one area in all Faerūn that did not get an "area book" in 2nd edition. Oh? What 2nd edition book covered Sembia? Or how about Lantan and Nimbral? Originally posted by B4Real That is like saying I should not have bought the Player's Handbook if I did not think that the Class guides(Tome and Blood, Fighter's guide, etc.) are worth the $$$ as well. Just because you may have fallen victim to a marketing ploy does not mean everyone else has to as well. As I said earlier, RoF is not necessary, but it adds a whole new dimension to the setting. Giving people something they want and need and find great use for is not a marketing ploy. It's like an AC and a CD player in a car. Do you need them? Nay. Are they really nice to have, and something you'll make much use of? Oh yes indeed! So, does that count as a marketing ploy? So you don't see a need for the book, fine. Don't imply that those of us who like it are fools for buying it. We're talking opinions here, not facts, so arguing it is pointless.
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:34 AM	Originally posted by JemyM :sigh: Its a difference between need for survival and need for quality. I say that RoF is a defenite need if you want quality. Am I to understand that you are saying that without the 'Races of Faerun' accessory the 'Forgotten Realms campaign setting book' ceases to be a quality product? If so that statement makes no sense. ~B4Real
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:39 AM	It's like an AC and a CD player in a car. Do you need them? Nay. Are they really nice to have, and something you'll make much use of? Oh yes indeed! So, does that count as a marketing ploy? I do not know where you buy your cars but usually both of these items are included in the package(Almost every car made today has an AC and a CD player.). ~B4Real
Cunning Linguist 01-16-04, 10:40 AM	But FRCS is not a neccessity for having fun when playing D&D. As I said before, you only need the 3 core books to do that. what I'm asking you, (and for the 3 time now) is WHY forgotten realms? Why not Grayhawk, since you get that for free with the Core books. It seems like you are arguing for the "less is more" principle.
B4Real 01-16-04, 10:45 AM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist But FRCS is not a neccessity for having fun when playing D&D. As I said before, you only need the 3 core books to do that. what I'm asking you, (and for the 3 time now) is WHY forgotten realms? Why not Grayhawk, since you get that for free with the Core books. It seems like you are arguing for the "less is more" principle. No. This entire thread deals with one subject: Is the RoF book needed(In order to run an FR campaign. Never once have I asked: What do you need to play DnD?)? After reading various posts and actually skimming through the book on store shelves, the answer to that question is simply...NO. ~B4Real
Wooly Rupert 01-16-04, 11:40 AM	Originally posted by B4Real No. This entire thread deals with one subject: Is the RoF book needed(In order to run an FR campaign. Never once have I asked: What do you need to play DnD?)? After reading various posts and actually skimming through the book on store shelves, the answer to that question is simply...NO. And more than one person has said that, including myself. So why are you still arguing the point? It seems to me (and I will admit that I could be wrong) that you have decided the book is not worth it, and are trying to convince others that it's a waste of money. Fine, if you think it's not worth it, that's your call. I think it is. So quit trying to convince me and the others who feel that way that we are wrong. Originally posted by B4Real I do not know where you buy your cars but usually both of these items are included in the package(Almost every car made today has an AC and a CD player.). Almost, but not all. And those things are not necessarily present in older cars (like the '66 Vette my friend's dad has). My point is that they are nice to have, they add to the driving experience, but they are not necessary. The RoF is like that: it adds to the experience and makes it a lot more pleasurable, but it's not strictly necessary.
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-16-04, 11:41 AM	Gentleman, I think...no I know we have a troll on our hands. See, I used to be associated with b4real. (something I am not proud of) He gets his kicks putting up threads like this, trolling them ignoring questions , responses etc just to get reported then he complains about how unfair the wizo's are. Just let him be. Pay him no mind and hopefully he'll quit. How do I know this? He used to do it on the Ravenloft boards all the time.
JemyM 01-16-04, 11:51 AM	Originally posted by Wooly Rupert [B]Oh? What 2nd edition book covered Sembia? Or how about Lantan and Nimbral? Im impressed... Of the about 50 areas in FRCS, you actually could come up with the very few that never had their own book? :) Sembia is in Sea of Fallen Stars, but ok, I will still withdraw my earlier comment and change it to "Nearly all areas" ;)
B4Real 01-16-04, 11:52 AM	but it's not strictly necessary. I agree. ~B4Real
Mystery Man 01-16-04, 12:38 PM	Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes Gentleman, I think...no I know we have a troll on our hands. See, I used to be associated with b4real. (something I am not proud of) He gets his kicks putting up threads like this, trolling them ignoring questions , responses etc just to get reported then he complains about how unfair the wizo's are. Just let him be. Pay him no mind and hopefully he'll quit. How do I know this? He used to do it on the Ravenloft boards all the time. I would expect no less from a Dragonlance fan. :rolleyes:
B4Real 01-16-04, 01:04 PM	Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes Gentleman, I think...no I know we have a troll on our hands. See, I used to be associated with b4real. (something I am not proud of) He gets his kicks putting up threads like this, trolling them ignoring questions , responses etc just to get reported then he complains about how unfair the wizo's are. Just let him be. Pay him no mind and hopefully he'll quit. How do I know this? He used to do it on the Ravenloft boards all the time. Actually I have reported both you and Mystery Man for trying to make this personal(It is ok to attack the post but not the poster.) rather than responding to the thread topic: Races of Faerun: Do you really need this book ? ~B4Real
Wooly Rupert 01-16-04, 01:33 PM	......
Kuje31 01-16-04, 01:34 PM	Originally posted by B4Real rather than responding to the thread topic: Races of Faerun: Do you really need this book ? ~B4Real Do you need it? No, but then you don't even need any of the 3/3.5 books if you don't want to. Or you don't need any of the 2e books if you don't want to, or you don't need any of the 1e books either. Do you need the frcs? no not really, especially if you homebrew..... Now do people want these books? then the answer is yes many do, since it contains much info that is new for 3/3.5 and a lot of info that has never been published or is expanded on from the old material, i.e. the info about humans, winged elves, lythari, etc.
JemyM 01-16-04, 01:37 PM	The question was: "Do you really need this book?" followed by the statement: "It appears that the information needed for the FR races is in the campaign setting book. So what is the purpose of the races of Faerun accessory?" Becouse of this, this thread is about three things: 1. QUESTION: Do you need the book? 2. QUESTION: What is the purpose of the races of Faerūn Accessory? 3. STATEMENT: "The information needed for the FR races is in the campaign setting book." 1. QUESTION: Do you need the book? The question is incomplete. If you mean "Do you really need this book, or is all information already in FRCS?", then the answer is a YES you need this book, as all information in it is NOT in FRCS. If you mean "Do you really need this book to label your game "Forgotten Realms"", then the reply is a NO, FoR is not an core book. 2. QUESTION: What is the purpose of the races of Faerūn Accessory? The purpose of FoR is to make the world feel more alive, adding culture, history and uniqueness to each race, making each a worthwhile part of any FR campaign. 3. STATEMENT: "The information needed for the FR races is in the campaign setting book." The statement is incorrect. FRCS misses two vital things, and thus the information aquired are not complete: 1. Human ethnic groups. 2. The real truth about the differences between the many dwarven and elvish races, such as how to tell a Shield Dwarf from a Gold Dwarf, and how you tell a Wild Elf from a Forest Elf. Personally? I think the information about the race subgroups in FRCS was so thin, that they didnt had to bother to divide them at all!
Mystery Man 01-16-04, 01:48 PM	Originally posted by B4Real Actually I have reported both you and Mystery Man for trying to make this personal(It is ok to attack the post but not the poster.) rather than responding to the thread topic: Races of Faerun: Do you really need this book ? ~B4Real Oh, I'm quaking in my boots. :cool: Amused at watching the trolls take their own bait. :D ;)
B4Real 01-16-04, 03:34 PM	Amused at watching the trolls take their own bate. Correction: Bait not bate. This thread is about Races of Faerun you have already been reported once. ~B4Real
Mystery Man 01-16-04, 03:41 PM	Originally posted by B4Real Correction: Bait not bate. This thread is about Races of Faerun you have already been reported once. ~B4Real Corrected. Trolls can spell better than me! :eek: It was obvious you've been trolling several posts into the thread, even without the Plunderer_of_the_planes. Don't insult the intelligence of the mods by thinking they're actually going to care while you dig your own grave.:rolleyes: I would add that I would be more than happy to discuss the issue with a mod via private email.
Lashan 01-16-04, 04:33 PM	I think I can sumerize by saying that no one (or at least not many people who posted on this thread) has said that the Races of Faerun is necessary to run the game. That doesn't mean that they think it is a useless source book that was clerverly designed to steal their money as a marketing ploy. The FRCS is all you need to play FR. You don't even really need that if you have all the old 1E and 2E FR boxed sets. That doesn't mean that all the other 2E products that came out for FR are useless. I think you can say that the entire Volo's Guide series is definatly not necessary to play in FR. Still, the Volo's Guide series is still one of the best FR supplements ever printed (or so many of the posters on these boards seem to think).
JemyM 01-16-04, 04:38 PM	Originally posted by Lashan Still, the Volo's Guide series is still one of the best FR supplements every printed (or so many of the posters on these boards seem to think). Agreed. I hope to see a 3rd edition book, maybee a collectors book with all the old books in one...
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-16-04, 05:09 PM	I loved Rof and all the other FR books out they detail the world so much better than what the reg D&D books ever thought of. Yeah supposedly Greyhawk is the default world. ( I believe that about as much as my name is Saddam) But you see nothing for the fluff or flavor of it. Just one insignifigant Gazeteer. So keep the FR books coming. I'll buy into the marketing ploy as long as the books have the quality of the previous ones.
JemyM 01-16-04, 05:31 PM	The only FR3e book I havnt found a use for so far is Magic of Faerūn. Feel free to enlighten the parts of it that can actually be used in an adventure. To me, its only spells, prestige classes and items. Or perhaps I should start another thread about it...
Kuje31 01-16-04, 05:34 PM	Originally posted by JemyM The only FR3e book I havnt found a use for so far is Magic of Faerūn. Feel free to enlighten the parts of it that can actually be used in an adventure. To me, its only spells, prestige classes and items. Or perhaps I should start another thread about it... I've used the Fey Crossroads a lot. :) And the Mage Fair section is also useful.....
Plunderer_of_the_planes 01-16-04, 07:31 PM	The places of powere section is soon going to see use as well form me. I like it for the Faerunian magic items and of courser those lovely spells. And hidden in there is a spell giving Wizards and Sorcerers a way to heal. The spells look svery good and the PrC's make sense as well. It is quite useful you just have to use it differently than most books. No real drag and drop stuff actually.
WizO_BigSister 01-17-04, 11:11 AM	This thread has deteriorated into a slanging match, and there is very little new information being posted. It seems that the answer to your question "Do you really need this book?" depends on your definition of "really need". Some people feel they do need it, some feel it is a nice optional extra and some feel it is unecessary. It also seems nobody is likely to change their opinion. Right ... question answered and thread closed to prevent any further flaming.