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Xavier_of_Cormyr
05-10-07, 03:25 PM I need some info here... seems like lately if you blink, you miss a big piece of realmslore. What is this "rain of fire" I've been seeing referenced here and there. I just started reading the "Twilight War" series, and it is mentioned several times.
Help a guy out, will ya....
Fabius Maximus
05-10-07, 05:00 PM Didn't the Rain of Fire happened when one of the Tears of Selūne entered Faerūn's atmosphere and broke into smaller bits there?

If yes, just read Mr. Kemps first trilogy. The events leading to this are explained there.
Xavier_of_Cormyr
05-10-07, 05:35 PM Didn't the Rain of Fire happened when one of the Tears of Selūne entered Faerūn's atmosphere and broke into smaller bits there?

If yes, just read Mr. Kemps first trilogy. The events leading to this are explained there.

That's as far as was explained in the twilight war's first installment. (apparently brought on by a wizard)
What was the novel where this is detailed... sounds.... interesting :schemes:
Chosen of Bane
05-10-07, 05:47 PM The actual act of selune's tear plummeting into Toril's atmosphere happened in Midnight's Mask, but that is the 3rd book in a trilogy and the events leading up to it started in book 1 of the trilogy, Twilight Falling. And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion.

The trilogy is great, I highly recommend it.
Lord_Steve
05-10-07, 05:52 PM The actual act of selune's tear plummeting into Toril's atmosphere happened in Midnight's Mask, but that is the 3rd book in a trilogy and the events leading up to it started in book 1 of the trilogy, Twilight Falling. And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion.

The trilogy is great, I highly recommend it.

O_o.....coinkidink! I just ordered the triology! :P
Zevox
05-10-07, 09:15 PM Yup, you're looking for the Erevis Cale Trilogy by Paul Kemp, consisting of Twilight Falling, Dawn of Night, and Midnight's Mask. The events that cause the Rain of Fire are detailed there. Ironically, the Rain of Fire was really just a side effect of those events, not something that was done intentionally. I won't go into greater detail though - that'd be spoilers for the trilogy.

Zevox
Fabius Maximus
05-10-07, 09:34 PM And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion.

That's an understatement. He was the wizard/psion. ;)
Shemeska the Marauder
05-11-07, 09:45 PM He was the wizard/psion. ;)

And a rather unique subspecies of gith. :)
Ramenth
05-12-07, 03:33 AM Wait, so, the Rain of Fire is not the rain of dragon eggs that was mentioned afew months ago on some wizards column?
Aaron Highcolor
05-12-07, 09:06 AM Uh, yeah...NO.

It's a minor moon/Tear of Selune that the epic gith wiz/psion was using to focus the spell on. It came apart, fell into Toril's atmosphere. Hence, Rain of Fire.

Or maybe it was a spelljamming vehicle coming in from the Flow...ok, it wasn't.:D
Iakhovas
05-12-07, 12:43 PM The event you're thinking of Ramenth is known as Tearfall and happened c.-31,000 DR. The Rain of Fire on the other hand occurred late in 1373 DR.
Wait, so, the Rain of Fire is not the rain of dragon eggs that was mentioned afew months ago on some wizards column?
Zevox
05-12-07, 12:43 PM It's a minor moon/Tear of Selune that the epic gith wiz/psion was using as a focus. It came apart, fell into Toril's atmosphere. Hence, Rain of Fire.
"Using as a focus"? Um, no, he moved it in order to create an eclipse. The focus for the spell was the stone that Tower was made of.

Zevox
Fabius Maximus
05-12-07, 01:56 PM And a rather unique subspecies of gith. :)
I thought he was one of the progenitor gith?
Shemeska the Marauder
05-12-07, 02:24 PM I thought he was one of the progenitor gith?

Nope, he was a unique result of the illithid experiments upon the gith stock. He referred to himself as a githvyrik

Like the githzerai and githyanki, the githvyrik split from their progenitor gith kin when they freed themselves from the mindflayers. Unlike the githzerai and githyanki, however, the githvyrik number only a handful or so, and all of them are so unique that calling them a race is really more a convenience to reflect their shared origin rather than a suggestion that they share physical characteristics or a similar culture.
MarkusTay63
05-12-07, 02:51 PM So how many sub-races does that make it for the Gith now? :rolleyes:

Why does there need to be SO many types of EVERYTHING? :confused:
Fabius Maximus
05-12-07, 07:14 PM So how many sub-races does that make it for the Gith now? :rolleyes:

Why does there need to be SO many types of EVERYTHING? :confused:
Three. And the 'vyrik aren't detailed anywhere, IIRC.

Thanks, Shemmy. Missed that.
lavekkia
05-12-07, 09:53 PM actually four
The pirates of Gith are another offshot of the gith race. I don't know however if pirates of gith and githvryk are the same thing but i doubt it. Paul Kemp could confirm or deny this.
ElberethSilverleaf
05-12-07, 10:45 PM Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation?
We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production.
Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources?
Aaron Highcolor
05-12-07, 11:20 PM "Using as a focus"? Um, no, he moved it in order to create an eclipse. The focus for the spell was the stone that Tower was made of.

Zevox

Yes, the spell focus wasn't the Tear, but was the focus of the spell. And it was a Temple (not tower) of Cyric turned Mask.

And here I didn't want to post any spoilers.
Iakhovas
05-13-07, 01:21 AM The fallout from the Rain of Fire caused destruction throughout the Heartlands but struck Sembia the hardest. That combined with the drought brought about by the Shadovar's melting of the High Ice, has lead to quite a bit of suffering for the common folk of the region. The Twilight War Trilogy describes this in more detail.Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation?
We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production.
Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources?
MarkusTay63
05-13-07, 01:26 AM Three. And the 'vyrik aren't detailed anywhere, IIRC.Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik...

I'm counting at least five as of now... :rolleyes:
Zevox
05-13-07, 01:38 AM Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation?
We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production.
Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources?
It would, and there has been. Read Shadowbred (and the future books of the Twilight War Trilogy) - Sembia is in a state of crisis due to how hard their farming communities were hit by flames from falling debris and dust. They were the region the Tear fell toward before breaking apart though, so they were the worst hit no doubt - other regions nearby probably have lesser problems.

Zevox
Derren S.
05-13-07, 03:59 AM The event you're thinking of Ramenth is known as Tearfall and happened c.-31,000 DR. The Rain of Fire on the other hand occurred late in 1373 DR.

There was a second Tearfall after the Dracorage Mythal was destroyed in 1374, thats where the confusion comes from.
Fabius Maximus
05-13-07, 08:57 AM Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik...

I'm counting at least five as of now... :rolleyes:
Gith pirates are in Spelljammer, right?

Don't exist in my world, then. ;)

And the original gith race doesn't exist anymore, so you can count 'em out.
The Ubbergeek
05-13-07, 01:03 PM That is one aspect of the realms that is enhanced by Spelljammer nicely, I must say. Must have been something seen from the top up.
Zevox
05-13-07, 01:54 PM And it was a Temple (not tower) of Cyric turned Mask.
The temple is a tower - one of the Twin Towers of the Eternal Eclipse.

Zevox
ElberethSilverleaf
05-14-07, 12:29 AM Thanks for the replies. I'm now going to my local BAM to shell out some sheckels to get updated on the storyline.

*sigh* The things you miss when you focus on work & school for several months...
Ryltar Swordsong
05-21-07, 02:05 AM Gith pirates are in Spelljammer, right?

Don't exist in my world, then. ;)

And the original gith race doesn't exist anymore, so you can count 'em out.

I think he means the Gith from Dark Sun, which were basically mutant Githyanki caused by a psionic bomb courtesy of the Githzerai.
lavekkia
05-21-07, 05:34 PM I think he means the Gith from Dark Sun, which were basically mutant Githyanki caused by a psionic bomb courtesy of the Githzerai.

Well... no :) Pirates of Gith are another offshot of the Gith race.
So with DS githyanki we can count six; soon there will be more gith races than elven races :P

Seriosly... The REAL gith races are three: Githyanki, Githzerai and Pirates of Gith.
Original Gith are (unless some new cosimic event take place) an extinguished race and githvryk are too few to be considered a real race.
Athasian Giths, like Athasian elves are very specific of that world so i think that they don't count (in the same way Sun elves are a FR specific elven race but since we are on the FR boards... ;) )

BTW have found this on the Shattered Fractine:
http://www.shatteredfractine.com/critters/monsters/pirateofgith.html
Hope this will help to get some idea about the Pirates Of Gith race.
Ryltar Swordsong
05-23-07, 03:05 AM Well... no :) Pirates of Gith are another offshot of the Gith race.
So with DS githyanki we can count six; soon there will be more gith races than elven races

I was referring to this post:
Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik.where I think the "plain ol' Gith" were meant to be the DS Gith, so there are still only 5.
Old Sage
05-23-07, 03:27 AM Nope, he was a unique result of the illithid experiments upon the gith stock. He referred to himself as a githvyrikHere's a little more from Paul, from May '05 -

"I'm delighted you're a Cale fan. Lots more to come on that front, starting with Midnight's Mask this November and a follow up trilogy beginning next year.

I do not intend to detail the origin of the Gith. The Sojourner (Vhostym) is a creature that I've called a githvyrik, another offshoot of the gith split. In my conception, the githvyrik numbered vastly fewer than either the githzerai or the githyanki, and while those races took to a single plane and established their societies and culture, the more powerful individualists among them at the time of the split did their own thing, travelling worlds and planes (like the Sojourner), taking up residence in the underdark, etc. In fact, calling the githvyrik a race is somewhat of a misnomer. I regard each of them as unique -- powerful and very old spellcasters, yes; derived from the same genetic stock as the other gith, yes; but otherwise quite different. For all intents and purposes, Vhostym might as well be solitary and, in fact, almost all githvyrik are.

Anyway, Vhostym has a bunch of scenes in Midnight's Mask, so if you want to more about him as an individual, you'll have plenty to read."

...

And -

"Sage,

Agreed. Without a shared culture and society, and numbering so few, the githvyrik would worship according to their individual proclivities and no generalization would be possible.

Vhostym, in fact, is as close to an atheist as someone whose visited FR can be. Not an atheist in the sense that he does not believe that Cyric, Bane, Torm, et al exist, but an athiest in the sense that he does not believe them to be divine beings."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xavier_of_Cormyr 05-10-07, 03:25 PM	I need some info here... seems like lately if you blink, you miss a big piece of realmslore. What is this "rain of fire" I've been seeing referenced here and there. I just started reading the "Twilight War" series, and it is mentioned several times. Help a guy out, will ya....
Fabius Maximus 05-10-07, 05:00 PM	Didn't the Rain of Fire happened when one of the Tears of Selūne entered Faerūn's atmosphere and broke into smaller bits there? If yes, just read Mr. Kemps first trilogy. The events leading to this are explained there.
Xavier_of_Cormyr 05-10-07, 05:35 PM	Didn't the Rain of Fire happened when one of the Tears of Selūne entered Faerūn's atmosphere and broke into smaller bits there? If yes, just read Mr. Kemps first trilogy. The events leading to this are explained there. That's as far as was explained in the twilight war's first installment. (apparently brought on by a wizard) What was the novel where this is detailed... sounds.... interesting :schemes:
Chosen of Bane 05-10-07, 05:47 PM	The actual act of selune's tear plummeting into Toril's atmosphere happened in Midnight's Mask, but that is the 3rd book in a trilogy and the events leading up to it started in book 1 of the trilogy, Twilight Falling. And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion. The trilogy is great, I highly recommend it.
Lord_Steve 05-10-07, 05:52 PM	The actual act of selune's tear plummeting into Toril's atmosphere happened in Midnight's Mask, but that is the 3rd book in a trilogy and the events leading up to it started in book 1 of the trilogy, Twilight Falling. And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion. The trilogy is great, I highly recommend it. O_o.....coinkidink! I just ordered the triology! :P
Zevox 05-10-07, 09:15 PM	Yup, you're looking for the Erevis Cale Trilogy by Paul Kemp, consisting of Twilight Falling, Dawn of Night, and Midnight's Mask. The events that cause the Rain of Fire are detailed there. Ironically, the Rain of Fire was really just a side effect of those events, not something that was done intentionally. I won't go into greater detail though - that'd be spoilers for the trilogy. Zevox
Fabius Maximus 05-10-07, 09:34 PM	And the guy that caused it was an epic wizard/psion. That's an understatement. He was the wizard/psion. ;)
Shemeska the Marauder 05-11-07, 09:45 PM	He was the wizard/psion. ;) And a rather unique subspecies of gith. :)
Ramenth 05-12-07, 03:33 AM	Wait, so, the Rain of Fire is not the rain of dragon eggs that was mentioned afew months ago on some wizards column?
Aaron Highcolor 05-12-07, 09:06 AM	Uh, yeah...NO. It's a minor moon/Tear of Selune that the epic gith wiz/psion was using to focus the spell on. It came apart, fell into Toril's atmosphere. Hence, Rain of Fire. Or maybe it was a spelljamming vehicle coming in from the Flow...ok, it wasn't.:D
Iakhovas 05-12-07, 12:43 PM	The event you're thinking of Ramenth is known as Tearfall and happened c.-31,000 DR. The Rain of Fire on the other hand occurred late in 1373 DR. Wait, so, the Rain of Fire is not the rain of dragon eggs that was mentioned afew months ago on some wizards column?
Zevox 05-12-07, 12:43 PM	It's a minor moon/Tear of Selune that the epic gith wiz/psion was using as a focus. It came apart, fell into Toril's atmosphere. Hence, Rain of Fire. "Using as a focus"? Um, no, he moved it in order to create an eclipse. The focus for the spell was the stone that Tower was made of. Zevox
Fabius Maximus 05-12-07, 01:56 PM	And a rather unique subspecies of gith. :) I thought he was one of the progenitor gith?
Shemeska the Marauder 05-12-07, 02:24 PM	I thought he was one of the progenitor gith? Nope, he was a unique result of the illithid experiments upon the gith stock. He referred to himself as a githvyrik Like the githzerai and githyanki, the githvyrik split from their progenitor gith kin when they freed themselves from the mindflayers. Unlike the githzerai and githyanki, however, the githvyrik number only a handful or so, and all of them are so unique that calling them a race is really more a convenience to reflect their shared origin rather than a suggestion that they share physical characteristics or a similar culture.
MarkusTay63 05-12-07, 02:51 PM	So how many sub-races does that make it for the Gith now? :rolleyes: Why does there need to be SO many types of EVERYTHING? :confused:
Fabius Maximus 05-12-07, 07:14 PM	So how many sub-races does that make it for the Gith now? :rolleyes: Why does there need to be SO many types of EVERYTHING? :confused: Three. And the 'vyrik aren't detailed anywhere, IIRC. Thanks, Shemmy. Missed that.
lavekkia 05-12-07, 09:53 PM	actually four The pirates of Gith are another offshot of the gith race. I don't know however if pirates of gith and githvryk are the same thing but i doubt it. Paul Kemp could confirm or deny this.
ElberethSilverleaf 05-12-07, 10:45 PM	Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation? We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production. Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources?
Aaron Highcolor 05-12-07, 11:20 PM	"Using as a focus"? Um, no, he moved it in order to create an eclipse. The focus for the spell was the stone that Tower was made of. Zevox Yes, the spell focus wasn't the Tear, but was the focus of the spell. And it was a Temple (not tower) of Cyric turned Mask. And here I didn't want to post any spoilers.
Iakhovas 05-13-07, 01:21 AM	The fallout from the Rain of Fire caused destruction throughout the Heartlands but struck Sembia the hardest. That combined with the drought brought about by the Shadovar's melting of the High Ice, has lead to quite a bit of suffering for the common folk of the region. The Twilight War Trilogy describes this in more detail.Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation? We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production. Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources?
MarkusTay63 05-13-07, 01:26 AM	Three. And the 'vyrik aren't detailed anywhere, IIRC.Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik... I'm counting at least five as of now... :rolleyes:
Zevox 05-13-07, 01:38 AM	Excuse me for my ignorance but if a Tear of Selune broke apart and crashed into Faerun wouldn't there have been widespread devastation? We're talking thousands if not millions of tons of debris. Even if the debris was pulverized to dust it would have blanketed large sections of Toril causing havoc with food production. Maybe this has been addressed and I don't know the relevant sources? It would, and there has been. Read Shadowbred (and the future books of the Twilight War Trilogy) - Sembia is in a state of crisis due to how hard their farming communities were hit by flames from falling debris and dust. They were the region the Tear fell toward before breaking apart though, so they were the worst hit no doubt - other regions nearby probably have lesser problems. Zevox
Derren S. 05-13-07, 03:59 AM	The event you're thinking of Ramenth is known as Tearfall and happened c.-31,000 DR. The Rain of Fire on the other hand occurred late in 1373 DR. There was a second Tearfall after the Dracorage Mythal was destroyed in 1374, thats where the confusion comes from.
Fabius Maximus 05-13-07, 08:57 AM	Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik... I'm counting at least five as of now... :rolleyes: Gith pirates are in Spelljammer, right? Don't exist in my world, then. ;) And the original gith race doesn't exist anymore, so you can count 'em out.
The Ubbergeek 05-13-07, 01:03 PM	That is one aspect of the realms that is enhanced by Spelljammer nicely, I must say. Must have been something seen from the top up.
Zevox 05-13-07, 01:54 PM	And it was a Temple (not tower) of Cyric turned Mask. The temple is a tower - one of the Twin Towers of the Eternal Eclipse. Zevox
ElberethSilverleaf 05-14-07, 12:29 AM	Thanks for the replies. I'm now going to my local BAM to shell out some sheckels to get updated on the storyline. sigh The things you miss when you focus on work & school for several months...
Ryltar Swordsong 05-21-07, 02:05 AM	Gith pirates are in Spelljammer, right? Don't exist in my world, then. ;) And the original gith race doesn't exist anymore, so you can count 'em out. I think he means the Gith from Dark Sun, which were basically mutant Githyanki caused by a psionic bomb courtesy of the Githzerai.
lavekkia 05-21-07, 05:34 PM	I think he means the Gith from Dark Sun, which were basically mutant Githyanki caused by a psionic bomb courtesy of the Githzerai. Well... no :) Pirates of Gith are another offshot of the Gith race. So with DS githyanki we can count six; soon there will be more gith races than elven races :P Seriosly... The REAL gith races are three: Githyanki, Githzerai and Pirates of Gith. Original Gith are (unless some new cosimic event take place) an extinguished race and githvryk are too few to be considered a real race. Athasian Giths, like Athasian elves are very specific of that world so i think that they don't count (in the same way Sun elves are a FR specific elven race but since we are on the FR boards... ;) ) BTW have found this on the Shattered Fractine: http://www.shatteredfractine.com/critters/monsters/pirateofgith.html Hope this will help to get some idea about the Pirates Of Gith race.
Ryltar Swordsong 05-23-07, 03:05 AM	Well... no :) Pirates of Gith are another offshot of the Gith race. So with DS githyanki we can count six; soon there will be more gith races than elven races I was referring to this post: Githyanki, Gith Pirate, Githzerai, (just plain ol') Gith, Githvyrik.where I think the "plain ol' Gith" were meant to be the DS Gith, so there are still only 5.
Old Sage 05-23-07, 03:27 AM	Nope, he was a unique result of the illithid experiments upon the gith stock. He referred to himself as a githvyrikHere's a little more from Paul, from May '05 - "I'm delighted you're a Cale fan. Lots more to come on that front, starting with Midnight's Mask this November and a follow up trilogy beginning next year. I do not intend to detail the origin of the Gith. The Sojourner (Vhostym) is a creature that I've called a githvyrik, another offshoot of the gith split. In my conception, the githvyrik numbered vastly fewer than either the githzerai or the githyanki, and while those races took to a single plane and established their societies and culture, the more powerful individualists among them at the time of the split did their own thing, travelling worlds and planes (like the Sojourner), taking up residence in the underdark, etc. In fact, calling the githvyrik a race is somewhat of a misnomer. I regard each of them as unique -- powerful and very old spellcasters, yes; derived from the same genetic stock as the other gith, yes; but otherwise quite different. For all intents and purposes, Vhostym might as well be solitary and, in fact, almost all githvyrik are. Anyway, Vhostym has a bunch of scenes in Midnight's Mask, so if you want to more about him as an individual, you'll have plenty to read." ... And - "Sage, Agreed. Without a shared culture and society, and numbering so few, the githvyrik would worship according to their individual proclivities and no generalization would be possible. Vhostym, in fact, is as close to an atheist as someone whose visited FR can be. Not an atheist in the sense that he does not believe that Cyric, Bane, Torm, et al exist, but an athiest in the sense that he does not believe them to be divine beings."