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Trout
07-12-03, 02:44 PM im trying to make my wizard an archmage but i cant find the information i may just be being blind here but if anyone knows a link could ya plz post

Thanks.

DM question
and what do you do if one of your players tends to play comical stupid chars

example > lvl 10 druid named herb played by a friend tends to do stupid things that endager the whole party alot and finding a way to solve this is becoming a problem and still keep people enjoying the game insyead of having the room blow up because (herb just had to go juggle with oil of impact in a alchemist lab......
Ann DeFerm
07-12-03, 03:27 PM Don't forget that many play to have fun. Playing seriously is not enough for all. So if he play with having fun as his goal doesn't endanger the enyoyment of the game for the other players it's ok.

If he is a problem togh...
1. Many DM's kill off characters they think don't fit in a group or who destroy the game for the others.
or
2. let him irritate the other characters until they kill him off! That also work!

Good luck! :devil:
Astanphaeus
07-12-03, 04:36 PM Originally posted by Trout
iand what do you do if one of your players tends to play comical stupid chars

Don't let them.

If you think the concept is going to be a problem, for any reason, reject the concept. Say, "no, not in this game." Let them either revise it until it fits, or create something new.

Don't forget that you're supposed to enjoy this too... and if you can't enjoy the party... if you don't particularly like some of the characters, or even one of them... it can be hard to get geared up and inspired for the game... and then everyone suffers.

example > lvl 10 druid named herb played by a friend tends to do stupid things that endager the whole party alot and finding a way to solve this is becoming a problem and still keep people enjoying the game insyead of having the room blow up because (herb just had to go juggle with oil of impact in a alchemist lab...

There's nothing inherently wrong with comical characters (as long as their created within the context of the theme and atmosphere of the game). But if the player's out to make a mockery of the game and is seriously impacting your enjoyment and the enjoyment of other players, that's not acceptable. It's not fair to you, and it's not fair to the other players.

There's a lot of ways of addressing this...

1. If the character is at all salvageable, have a talk with the player. Tell him the character needs to be re-worked, because as he is, he's too much of a disruption, is spoiling the game for others, and is ruining a lot of the work you put into it.

2. If the character is beyond redemption, you can...
a. simply tell the player that Herb has got to go, and have him roll up something new that's more agreeable to the campaign and your group's playing style.
b. Make sure that "Herb," when he screws around, experiences the full consequences of his actions... which will either kill him (bringing you to option 2a), or make his antics not fun anymore and potentially change the character's attitude (bringing you to option 1).

I would advise against encouraging the other PCs to kill him, because that often leads to meta-gaming, in which players create characters to "avenge" their previous character's death. That's the type of thing that'll make you drop the game entirely.

If a druid (of all things) started juggling jugs of volatile chemicals in an alchemist's lab, and caused an explosion in my game... well, first of all, I think that'd anger the alchemist. If the lab was in a town, well now there's a fire, which is going to annoy a whole lot of people, and the negligence will likely be seen as criminal (especially if someone dies in the blaze). If the lab was in the wilderness, it'd be even worse. This guy's a druid, and he's threatening the wilderness? That won't fly well, and won't he be surprised when his mystical energies abandon him... rendering him a 10th level... guy.

You can make your point strongly by just telling him what happens as a consquence of his actions. No, he doesn't get to roll anything or use his abilities. You just narrate the whole thing.

But if this is a habit for the player, you're proabably going to have to talk to him outside of the game. And if he doesn't want to respect you and the other participants, he'll have to take a hike.

-- A.
Ann DeFerm
07-12-03, 04:56 PM > I would advise against encouraging the other PCs to kill him,
> because that often leads to meta-gaming

Of course he does not encourage the other PCs to kill him off.
But if that druid endanger the party they themself would attack him of their own accord... Or have him arrested and turned over to the guards/judgesystem in the game. After all, thats what they would do if anything attacked them.

If the player was a troublemaker, don't let him into the game with another char. Rater seek other players, let a newbie have the spot or something (assuming it was a game here on the boards).

Or you can put limits to his new char, like he must be a human warrior lvl 1 with only 1 dagger as weapon, no armor, no money, dex of 10 max... This way he can't take revenge on the party if they killed his first char off.

Good luck :) :D :rolleyes: ;)

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Trout 07-12-03, 02:44 PM	im trying to make my wizard an archmage but i cant find the information i may just be being blind here but if anyone knows a link could ya plz post Thanks. DM question and what do you do if one of your players tends to play comical stupid chars example > lvl 10 druid named herb played by a friend tends to do stupid things that endager the whole party alot and finding a way to solve this is becoming a problem and still keep people enjoying the game insyead of having the room blow up because (herb just had to go juggle with oil of impact in a alchemist lab......
Ann DeFerm 07-12-03, 03:27 PM	Don't forget that many play to have fun. Playing seriously is not enough for all. So if he play with having fun as his goal doesn't endanger the enyoyment of the game for the other players it's ok. If he is a problem togh... 1. Many DM's kill off characters they think don't fit in a group or who destroy the game for the others. or 2. let him irritate the other characters until they kill him off! That also work! Good luck! :devil:
Astanphaeus 07-12-03, 04:36 PM	Originally posted by Trout iand what do you do if one of your players tends to play comical stupid chars Don't let them. If you think the concept is going to be a problem, for any reason, reject the concept. Say, "no, not in this game." Let them either revise it until it fits, or create something new. Don't forget that you're supposed to enjoy this too... and if you can't enjoy the party... if you don't particularly like some of the characters, or even one of them... it can be hard to get geared up and inspired for the game... and then everyone suffers. example > lvl 10 druid named herb played by a friend tends to do stupid things that endager the whole party alot and finding a way to solve this is becoming a problem and still keep people enjoying the game insyead of having the room blow up because (herb just had to go juggle with oil of impact in a alchemist lab... There's nothing inherently wrong with comical characters (as long as their created within the context of the theme and atmosphere of the game). But if the player's out to make a mockery of the game and is seriously impacting your enjoyment and the enjoyment of other players, that's not acceptable. It's not fair to you, and it's not fair to the other players. There's a lot of ways of addressing this... 1. If the character is at all salvageable, have a talk with the player. Tell him the character needs to be re-worked, because as he is, he's too much of a disruption, is spoiling the game for others, and is ruining a lot of the work you put into it. 2. If the character is beyond redemption, you can... a. simply tell the player that Herb has got to go, and have him roll up something new that's more agreeable to the campaign and your group's playing style. b. Make sure that "Herb," when he screws around, experiences the full consequences of his actions... which will either kill him (bringing you to option 2a), or make his antics not fun anymore and potentially change the character's attitude (bringing you to option 1). I would advise against encouraging the other PCs to kill him, because that often leads to meta-gaming, in which players create characters to "avenge" their previous character's death. That's the type of thing that'll make you drop the game entirely. If a druid (of all things) started juggling jugs of volatile chemicals in an alchemist's lab, and caused an explosion in my game... well, first of all, I think that'd anger the alchemist. If the lab was in a town, well now there's a fire, which is going to annoy a whole lot of people, and the negligence will likely be seen as criminal (especially if someone dies in the blaze). If the lab was in the wilderness, it'd be even worse. This guy's a druid, and he's threatening the wilderness? That won't fly well, and won't he be surprised when his mystical energies abandon him... rendering him a 10th level... guy. You can make your point strongly by just telling him what happens as a consquence of his actions. No, he doesn't get to roll anything or use his abilities. You just narrate the whole thing. But if this is a habit for the player, you're proabably going to have to talk to him outside of the game. And if he doesn't want to respect you and the other participants, he'll have to take a hike. -- A.
Ann DeFerm 07-12-03, 04:56 PM	> I would advise against encouraging the other PCs to kill him, > because that often leads to meta-gaming Of course he does not encourage the other PCs to kill him off. But if that druid endanger the party they themself would attack him of their own accord... Or have him arrested and turned over to the guards/judgesystem in the game. After all, thats what they would do if anything attacked them. If the player was a troublemaker, don't let him into the game with another char. Rater seek other players, let a newbie have the spot or something (assuming it was a game here on the boards). Or you can put limits to his new char, like he must be a human warrior lvl 1 with only 1 dagger as weapon, no armor, no money, dex of 10 max... This way he can't take revenge on the party if they killed his first char off. Good luck :) :D :rolleyes: ;)