Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dargoth 09-20-03, 07:38 PM	How about including a section that has stats for some of the Monster gods in the book ie The Dragon Pantheon Lizard man gods etc?
Banshee 09-21-03, 12:00 AM	My suggestion would be to bring the Asaathi race from Scarred Lands into Forgotten Realms....they are very cool :) Not sure if they're open source, or can be used by Wizards or anything... Banshee
Krash 09-21-03, 02:40 AM	My understanding is that the pre-edited "Serpent Kingdoms" was long anyway (Eric does tend to try and cram in every FR reference possible, and Ed never misses an opportunity either ...) so don't hold your breath. And am I right in surmising that you want STATS for the serpent gods? As in how many levels they have in what classes, their hps, ACs, etc .... Umm, why?? Wouldn't it be far more useful to have details with respect to their worshippers, how they are worshipped, religious rituals, temple locations, etc.? Stats for gods are a waste of time IMHO - PCs shouldn't be out trying to kill gods, and if they aren't, then there is no need for gods to have stats. YMMV. Greetings from South Aussie.:) -- George Krashos
Dargoth 09-21-03, 03:13 AM	I want write ups like those found in F&P Id like to see Avatar stats (but not if its a deal breaker) Id prefer that they not put in Deity stats as they take up to much room
Gez 09-21-03, 07:30 AM	It's quite useless to post suggestions to planned products, because it's WotC's (and several other companies', actually) policy to not announce a product until its content is finished. They don't want the bad press that comes from cancelling an announced product, I think. Nor to give time to other people to beat them to the press with a similar project. However, suggested things may appear in web-enhancement or other products.
Dargoth 09-21-03, 08:05 AM	I doubt its Finished Im pretty sure Rich Baker said they only started SK not long ago
Banshee 09-21-03, 11:32 AM	Originally posted by Krash My understanding is that the pre-edited "Serpent Kingdoms" was long anyway (Eric does tend to try and cram in every FR reference possible, and Ed never misses an opportunity either ...) so don't hold your breath. And am I right in surmising that you want STATS for the serpent gods? As in how many levels they have in what classes, their hps, ACs, etc .... Umm, why?? Wouldn't it be far more useful to have details with respect to their worshippers, how they are worshipped, religious rituals, temple locations, etc.? Stats for gods are a waste of time IMHO - PCs shouldn't be out trying to kill gods, and if they aren't, then there is no need for gods to have stats. YMMV. Greetings from South Aussie.:) -- George Krashos I agree...having books full of stats of dieties was really rather foolish. I don't know about them waiting in many dungeons guarding treasure.. Some interesting races, spells, societies, organizations etc. would be far better. Banshee
Dargoth 09-21-03, 08:42 PM	Originally posted by Banshee I agree...having books full of stats of dieties was really rather foolish. I don't know about them waiting in many dungeons guarding treasure.. Some interesting races, spells, societies, organizations etc. would be far better. Banshee Im after History/Relationships, Dogma and Clergy & temples. Id like to see Avatar stats but Im dont want the Full deity stats
Nighttfall 09-22-03, 02:41 AM	Originally posted by Banshee My suggestion would be to bring the Asaathi race from Scarred Lands into Forgotten Realms....they are very cool :) Not sure if they're open source, or can be used by Wizards or anything... Banshee Banshee, anything about the race such as their description isn't open source (nor their names). HOWEVER their combat stuff and stats ARE OGC. Course you still probably want to talk with Clark Peterson and Bill Webb. They control the copyright to it.
Masakado 09-22-03, 09:07 AM	Originally posted by Banshee I agree...having books full of stats of dieties was really rather foolish. I don't know about them waiting in many dungeons guarding treasure.. Some interesting races, spells, societies, organizations etc. would be far better. Banshee What Banshee said. I'd rather see unique magic & plot devices rather than more deities. It's not like there aren't already a few deities available that could reasonably serve as patrons.
Banshee 09-22-03, 09:49 PM	Originally posted by Masakado What Banshee said. I'd rather see unique magic & plot devices rather than more deities. It's not like there aren't already a few deities available that could reasonably serve as patrons. Exactly. Heck, I'd rather have a book that details a specialty priest type prestige class or order for each of the religions, rather than the dieties themselves. Banshee
Purple Dragon Knight 09-22-03, 11:22 PM	Originally posted by Dargoth I doubt its Finished Im pretty sure Rich Baker said they only started SK not long ago Whether it's finished or not, I'd say it's too late to add anything to it right now. And I also agree that god stats are oh-so useless... The only thing I use F&P for is the fluff related to each god.
Masakado 09-23-03, 08:25 AM	Originally posted by Banshee Exactly. Heck, I'd rather have a book that details a specialty priest type prestige class or order for each of the religions, rather than the deities themselves. Banshee Between Sseth, Ubtao, Finder Wyvernspur (who needs more to do, & could always assume other aspects, ala Tiamat's aspect of Entropy, in order to gain more worship), and other various scaly gods already in existance, lizard & serpent folk have plenty of deities to pray to. I'm hoping that the Winding Serpent scenario from the Perilous Gateways! material on this website will be fleshed out a bit more in this book. http://wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=fr/pg20010711x
Dargoth 09-23-03, 08:43 AM	Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight Whether it's finished or not, I'd say it's too late to add anything to it right now. And I also agree that god stats are oh-so useless... The only thing I use F&P for is the fluff related to each god. It depends on whether the designers like the idea Rich Baker liked the idea when I suggested he include the Kuo Toa and Mind flayer gods in Underdark, but unfortunately it was already set in stone (im still hoping for a web enhancment)
Praxian 12-23-03, 11:34 AM	Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight Whether it's finished or not, I'd say it's too late to add anything to it right now. And I also agree that god stats are oh-so useless... The only thing I use F&P for is the fluff related to each god. If you can find it, 2e Faiths and Avatars is by far more complete than the 3e stuff that's out there in F&P for deity listing. Even it's not 100% but it's closer to the mark than the 3e book is. Safe Journeys, Praxian
Wooly Rupert 12-23-03, 12:53 PM	Originally posted by Praxian If you can find it, 2e Faiths and Avatars is by far more complete than the 3e stuff that's out there in F&P for deity listing. Even it's not 100% but it's closer to the mark than the 3e book is. Safe Journeys, Praxian All three of the "godbooks" rocked, IMHO. All three gave great details on each deity. Every deific write-up also included things like affiliated orders, holidays, dogma, major centers of worship, day-to-day activities of the clergy, that deity's specialty priests, and unique spells used by the clergy. Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities are the three books. The first detailed the major deities of Faerūn, the second detailed the lesser ones and the ones of other human pantheons, and the last dealt with the deities of the demi-human races. Those books are the best resource for the deities of the Realms, and for their clerics.
Mellomir 12-24-03, 03:28 AM	Originally posted by Banshee My suggestion would be to bring the Asaathi race from Scarred Lands into Forgotten Realms....they are very cool :) Not sure if they're open source, or can be used by Wizards or anything... IMO the last thing the Realms need is yet another new race, especially considering the rate at which already Realmsian races that were thought 'extinct' are returning.