Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dargoth 03-10-04, 02:00 AM	No I dont have it but no doubt people will start getting it any day now and this is the place to tell us where you got it and maybe answer a few questions from those of us who are still waiting :weep:
Dawnspeaker 03-10-04, 08:32 AM	Why do you taunt us? Now I gotta start calling around again in hopes someone got it in early.
Dargoth 03-10-04, 06:17 PM	Razz claims hes going to have it in 2 days so people could have PGTF a early as friday
Desies 03-10-04, 06:40 PM	The local hobby shop is telling me the same thing that Wizards is "Sometime this month". I trust the guys so I don't think that they have any more information than this. So, I've been into the shop everyday since March 1st waiting for it (i live within walking distance so it's not like I have absolutely no life...just very close). They told me today that they get their Wizards shipments in on Tuesdays so now I only have to go in on Tuesdays...oh well the wait continues!
Arakon the Grey 03-11-04, 06:11 PM	Well WotC still says Friday the 12th of March, BUT!!!!!! No distributor I can find has it, or gaming store, so it should be interesting.
Cunning Linguist 03-11-04, 06:39 PM	Just got a email from Amazon.co.uk. They said they have talked to Wizards and they told them Players Guide to Faerun was delayed. (and therefore sending me Epic Level Hanbook and Unapproachable East as one, and waiting with PgtF)
Dargoth 03-11-04, 07:35 PM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist Just got a email from Amazon.co.uk. They said they have talked to Wizards and they told them Players Guide to Faerun was delayed. (and therefore sending me Epic Level Hanbook and Unapproachable East as one, and waiting with PgtF) hmmm I wonder if there going to ship it a week late, that way PGTF will be in the stores the same day the Arch Fiend minis are in (The AF minis feature a large number of FR figures including a mini of Bane)
Cunning Linguist 03-11-04, 08:20 PM	(The AF minis feature a large number of FR figures including a mini of Bane) A cleric of Bane AND a aspect of Bane..
Dargoth 03-11-04, 08:25 PM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist A cleric of Bane AND a aspect of Bane.. and Zhent Fighters :-)
Kezghan 03-12-04, 05:26 AM	My local gaming stores all say the 19th, so id say a week late sounds perfectly right. damnit! heh
Slad Chaos 03-12-04, 07:01 AM	I want it ! Someone can travel in the time for me ?:D
Mirtek 03-12-04, 11:07 AM	Dragonworld, a German FLGS which also sells a lot online said it would be shipped on 12th. And indeed I got an E-Mail this morning which told me that my PGtF just went to the post office, so I can expect it tomorrow. :D PS: Two guys on the German boards, already have their PgtFs PPS: Strange that we in Germany get it before you guys in the USA. Usually it's the other way round.
Talok 03-12-04, 12:04 PM	I'll check my FLGS today and let you guys know if I have any luck.
Dawnspeaker 03-12-04, 01:44 PM	*considering if he could order it from Germany and get before released in states*
Kastas 03-12-04, 02:39 PM	I went to my FLGS today and this is what I found out: it was supposed to be released today, but got pushed back one week. So it should actually be released Friday the 19th, one week from today. The reason for this was some kind of mixup regarding people releasing books before their street dates, or something along those lines. The guy I talked to wasn't really sure.
Dargoth 03-12-04, 06:14 PM	Originally posted by Mirtek Dragonworld, a German FLGS which also sells a lot online said it would be shipped on 12th. And indeed I got an E-Mail this morning which told me that my PGtF just went to the post office, so I can expect it tomorrow. :D PS: Two guys on the German boards, already have their PgtFs PPS: Strange that we in Germany get it before you guys in the USA. Usually it's the other way round. We'll in that case feel like answering some questions when you get it? If so heres the first Whats the new FR cosmology like?
Cunning Linguist 03-12-04, 06:48 PM	Oh, and what epic stuff is in there? How is the Netherase arcanist? does it have proctiv's move mountain? how about the Mythallar? Does it have rules for making them?
Misyrr 03-12-04, 11:26 PM	Originally posted by Mirtek And indeed I got an E-Mail this morning which told me that my PGtF just went to the post office, so I can expect it tomorrow. Well then, perhaps you could help me out... Rich usually doesn't post over the weekends, and the campaign where the following information would be relevant begins this Sunday. I've asked him the same thing, but you'll probably be able to get me a response more quickly. In 3rd edition the 4th level domain spell for the hatred domain was emotion (Hatred only). Seeing as how that spell no longer exists I expect it to be mentioned in the Player's Guide as to what is meant to replace it. If you could provide that information I'd highly appreciate it.
Tempus665 03-13-04, 03:08 AM	Originally posted by Kastas The reason for this was some kind of mixup regarding people releasing books before their street dates, or something along those lines. The guy I talked to wasn't really sure. Ooh :D That reminds me of the 3.5 books and a certain little country I live in! It seems that Germany is the lucky country this time :cool:
ecco 03-13-04, 07:04 AM	well i live in hamburg and got my copy from dragonworld ( which is based in hamburg :D ) on friday. there were around 50 copies left on the bookshelf ! ;) the first impression i got was a good one ! l8ers i am off reading a new book i got lately :rolleyes:
Mirtek 03-13-04, 08:01 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth We'll in that case feel like answering some questions when you get it? If I get it today I will. Currently I can only read how more and more guys on the German boards tell that they received their PGtF, while I am still waiting. :( Well, I can hope until 14:30 (currently we have 14:00 here in Germany), since that is the time until the Post usually delivers the packets. If I don't get it by 14:30 I will have to wait until Monday. :banghead: So wish me luck. :thumbsup:
Mirtek 03-13-04, 08:24 AM	Anyway, here's the first impression of Zechi, from the German boards, who got his PGtF yesterday: Chapter 1: Regions&Feats No longer take regional feats of foreign regions by gaining knowledge Regional feats became better can only take 1 regional feat and only at first level Chapter 2: PrCs All seem well made and all seem balanced Chapter 3: Domains&Spells Spells associated with a certain deity aren't avaible to all clerics anymore Even clerics of the deity to which the spells belong only get the spells after taking a Initiate of [...] feat Chapter 4: Magic Items He said that this chapter did disappoint him the most Chapter 5: Epic Levels A little bit disappointing too Epic feats there seem balanced Arcanist PrC the wet dream of every arcane caster Epic Spells not really impressive Chapter 6: The Planes For him the best chapter of all Chapter 7: Campaign Journal Updates FRCS timline until Kythorn 1373 Appendix: Expanded Play Psionics, Vile and Exhalted PrCs and info about some Archfiends and Paragons Rules to play races with LA at first level It seems I won't get mine today :nonono:
Tempus665 03-13-04, 08:30 AM	Tough luck, Mirtek :( Thanks for the info so far anyway :)
Foolosophy 03-13-04, 09:30 AM	dragonworld already shipped it? damn thats the punishment I deserve for chosing amazon.de this time... Edit: just cancelled my amazon.de order and bought it via dragonworld
Reles Villian 03-13-04, 12:09 PM	more info on the arcanist class please!!!!!
Cunning Linguist 03-13-04, 12:15 PM	Yes! more about the arcanist, and more about the epic spells!
Talok 03-13-04, 12:32 PM	Well, it looks like all of us expecting to get this marvelous book on the 12th have been hosed by WotC. I've had no luck at my local gaming stores or any online stores. Curse those who have kept me away from this tome of crunchy goodness for another week!
tear_of_primus 03-13-04, 01:41 PM	The local shop near me in Toronto expects it next Friday. Not bad, but I want it now, well the person who might be a Justiciar of Tyr wants it now, I just live with him.
BobROE 03-13-04, 02:06 PM	Originally posted by tear_of_primus The local shop near me in Toronto expects it next Friday. Not bad, but I want it now, well the person who might be a Justiciar of Tyr wants it now, I just live with him. Which store? My FLGS in toronto didn't really know.
Celeblas 03-13-04, 04:00 PM	I'm impressed how many people ordered the Players Guide form Dragonworld as well :D My first impression of the book is, that it looks quite useful. The regional feats are more powerful than their original version and so it's really worth to choose one at 1st level. There are detailed lists for each race-group, which makes it easier to find a region where your character class is favoured. So far I had no detailed look on the Prestigeclasses, but the Morninglord of Lathander seems to be quite nice. I especially like the Spelllist in chapter 5 due to the fact it includes all spells of Faerūn of all published 3E and 3.5 accessorys. The chapter about magic items is quite short but looks ok. Fortunately they did not convert all items form MoF. But let's come to the Epic levels ;) The Netherese Arcanist specialises in two fields, which include several seeds. he gains (Greater) Spell Focus (Epic) and becomes more resistant to backlashes and has to spend less money to develope spells. I do not own the Epic Level Handbook and therefore I connot judge how good or bad this class might be. I could imagine that Prince Telamont might be an Arcanist himself and I suppose I'll give Larloch some levels in this class as well. Unfortunately the spell "Karsus Avatar" is missing in this chapter and the Spellcraft DC of the other spells ranges from 39 to 280. The Chapter about the planes is ok but includes to many facts about the planar traits and inhabitans. But all in all it's more detailed than the version in the FRCS. So and now I'll continue reading ;)
Kuje31 03-13-04, 04:09 PM	Well Rich said months ago they removed Karsus's Avatar.....
Cunning Linguist 03-13-04, 04:19 PM	Celeblas: Does the book mention Mythallars at all? And does it have Proctiv's Move Mountain?
Mutablegenus 03-13-04, 04:39 PM	i want it now!!!, stupid walden books doesn't have it and my local c&g doesn't have it till monday ahh!!
Alathayn 03-13-04, 05:53 PM	Pains even more when you know people from your country get the book you want so badly earlier and still having to get it later because you ordered it at amazon.de Well, lets hope for next week then :(
Dargoth 03-13-04, 06:05 PM	Ok if you have it Whats the Cosmology section like?
Hygric 03-13-04, 06:57 PM	IF anyone could give me a hint about the Ethran feat, the Hathran class and the Incantatrix, I would be a very happy Hygric.
Galeon Sirtan 03-13-04, 08:58 PM	ok, sorry for the question, but could someone pls tell me what german boards? i am from germany too (cancelled my order at amazon.de on friday and ordered it at dw too... seems many have done that hehe)
Dargoth 03-14-04, 02:20 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth We'll in that case feel like answering some questions when you get it? If so heres the first Whats the new FR cosmology like? *Starts poking the Germans with a stick* :D
Arcanist-King 03-14-04, 03:11 AM	Joins Dargoth. *poke* Arcanist-King
Monsoon28 03-14-04, 04:22 AM	Originally posted by tear_of_primus The local shop near me in Toronto expects it next Friday. Not bad, but I want it now, well the person who might be a Justiciar of Tyr wants it now, I just live with him. Did you check out Hairy Tarantula or 401 Convenience? 401 is usually pretty good, and they use to have 20% of the covers. Of coarse I haven't been there for a year now and I also had a friend who would sell them to me for even cheaper.
Mirtek 03-14-04, 06:00 AM	To torture you guys even more, here's a review about the PgtF: Click (http://www.dnd-gate.de/gate3/page/index.php?id=616) (of course it's in German :rofl:)
Tempus665 03-14-04, 06:07 AM	I can read German :D
Dargoth 03-14-04, 06:28 AM	Originally posted by Mirtek To torture you guys even more, here's a review about the PgtF: Click (http://www.dnd-gate.de/gate3/page/index.php?id=616) (of course it's in German :rofl:) I so hope Arch Fiends comes out in Australia first
Cunning Linguist 03-14-04, 06:52 AM	For those Teknomages out there, who can't cast the Tounges spell, here (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dnd-gate.de%2Fgate3%2Fpage%2Findex.php%3Fid% 3D616&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) is what it says.
Dargoth 03-14-04, 07:09 AM	Originally posted by Cunning Linguist For those Teknomages out there, who can't cast the Tounges spell, here (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dnd-gate.de%2Fgate3%2Fpage%2Findex.php%3Fid% 3D616&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) is what it says. Google certainly butchered the translation, I thought that German converted better into English
Daeinar 03-14-04, 07:13 AM	Well, as the writer of said review, I could certainly help you guys out with some information. Just ask way... ;) Well, and that translation certainly does not make ANY sense... :teach:
Dargoth 03-14-04, 07:21 AM	Originally posted by Daeinar Well, as the writer of said review, I could certainly help you guys out with some information. Just ask way... ;) Well, and that translation certainly does not make ANY sense... :teach: Im glad Im not the only one who thinks it doesnt make much sense Questions Whats the cosmology section like? Also how the bit on fiends?
Laertes 03-14-04, 07:52 AM	Daeinar: Can you post the prerreq. and a general view of the Netherese Arcanist Epic Prc? Thanks in advance
Daeinar 03-14-04, 08:07 AM	The cosmolgy section is great for sure. A lot of information, detailed writeups for each plane, including traits in MotP-style, information on all inhabitants (from petitioners to the gods themselves). Nifty: Each already existing monsterbook (mm2, fiend folio, draconomicon) is mentioned if certain monster from those sources inhabit the place. The illustration of the World Tree and the River of Blood also do a good job explaining how everything is set up. The section on archfiends sucks. It is basically, taking into account ALL of the information in the book, perhaps 1/2 page short. Mostly refers to the book where the fiends were introduced originally. The Netherese Arcanist KL (arcana) and Spellcraft 25 ranks each two feats ability to cast 13th level spells a roleplaying requirement Gains a bit more punch in regard to Save DCs, but most importantly, researching spells is way cheaper for him (once he reaches a certain level).
Foolosophy 03-14-04, 08:23 AM	here is a pretty rough translation of what daeinar wrote in his chapter about the cosmology: Those thinking only about Faerun when hearing "Forgotten Realms" couldn't be more off, because Toril consists of many different planes in addition to the material plane. These planes are inhabited by gods and demons alike and even most player characters can be sure to visit them at least once sooner or later, be it as a messenger of their gods or as part of a journey into the depths of abyss to excavate some powerful artefact Sadly the informations (on the planes) in the campaign setting were not only scarce, but virtually non-existant. The Player's Guide is now finally attempting to fill this gap and - so much can I tell you - it does the job pretty well in 28 pages. Not only is the sketch of the cosmology more meaningful than in the FRCS, but they finally included a writeup of each plane in that cosmology - and these are not meager at all. Apart from game mechanics concerning the different traits of each plane one can also find notes on its inhabitants, ranging from the usual monsters to petitioners and the gods themselves (pleasantly each source book relevant to a plane is referenced here, including the Fiend Folio, Monster Manual 2 and Draconomicon ) Of course one could certainly write a whole book about the planes, but the mere 28 pages in the PGTF deal with this topic in very detailed and helpful way, thus making the cosmology section the 2nd real highlight of this book. ========== my excuses to the author and all readers for any inapropriate translations or other mistakes I might have made
Foolosophy 03-14-04, 08:24 AM	oh...while I was posting Daeinar already replied, feel free to ignore my translation, it's more or less redundant now ;)
Daeinar 03-14-04, 08:28 AM	Well, but you got the meaning. :)
Celeblas 03-14-04, 01:00 PM	@Cunning Linguist I have not seen any detail about Mythallars in the PGtF. Hope WotC will someday publish an accessory concerning the old fallen empires. The spell you mentioned is in the PG and has a Spellcraft DC of 280. @Hygric The Ethran Feat grants a boni of +2 on two and all charisma-based skills when dealing with other Rashemi. I don't know how far I'm allowed to go into detail due to the CoC. The Hathran Class now lists a region entry, the spellcasting requirement was doubled and you have to be female. There are a few other restrictions like the forbiddance to learn Item creation Feats. The Class Feature list on the other hand was completely changed. She is now stronger tied to the spirits of Rashemen, uses circle Magic and gains an ability, which grants her a certain authority for other people from Rashemen. The Incantatrix does no longer have to have ranks in Knowledge (Planes) but mustn't have Abkuration as a prohibited school. It also seems that the class is now more focused on Metamagic itself than on fighting extraplanar creatures. The Send Away ability was deleted for instance.
tear_of_primus 03-14-04, 04:21 PM	Originally posted by Monsoon28 Did you check out Hairy Tarantula or 401 Convenience? 401 is usually pretty good, and they use to have 20% of the covers. Of coarse I haven't been there for a year now and I also had a friend who would sell them to me for even cheaper. 401, it's really nice, I work in a building accross the street, it'd be stupidly awesome if it wasn't so expensive *points to sig*
Arcanist-King 03-14-04, 05:07 PM	Originally posted by Daeinar The Netherese Arcanist KL (arcana) and Spellcraft 25 ranks each two feats ability to cast 13th level spells a roleplaying requirement Gains a bit more punch in regard to Save DCs, but most importantly, researching spells is way cheaper for him (once he reaches a certain level). 13th level spells! :eek: That means no spellcaster can qualify till at LEAST 26th level, and thats not including the other two feats so mostly likely no one could qualify till around level 29! Jeez those requirements are killer, I had a Netherese NPC I was gonna throw at some players guess that idea is gone. Arcanist-King
Tempus665 03-14-04, 05:51 PM	Originally posted by Arcanist-King I had a Netherese NPC I was gonna throw at some players guess that idea is gone. Why? It“s you who decides what happens in your campaign, not some book, right? Everything“s adaptable.
Derren S. 03-14-04, 05:59 PM	Deleted because of complains.
Dargoth 03-14-04, 06:23 PM	Originally posted by Daeinar The cosmolgy section is great for sure. The illustration of the World Tree and the River of Blood also do a good job explaining how everything is set up. Any chance you can post a pic of this illustration as its not in the PGTF art gallery on the WOTC site
Derren S. 03-14-04, 06:49 PM	Deleted because of complains.
Arcanist-King 03-14-04, 09:36 PM	Thanks Derren S. Arcanist-King
Darth K'Trava 03-14-04, 11:57 PM	Originally posted by tear_of_primus The local shop near me in Toronto expects it next Friday. Not bad, but I want it now, well the person who might be a Justiciar of Tyr wants it now, I just live with him. Great. Now I'll be looking through the book for that little tidbit to see if that class/prc is worthwhile for my paladin or not.....
Razz 03-15-04, 02:26 AM	If you think us waiting for PgtF is a pain, wait'll we do get our hands on it and we're stuck waiting for the Expanded Psionics Handbook...that's one I want now!
Misyrr 03-15-04, 02:32 AM	If anyone can help me out... I'd really like to know the 4th level spell for the Hatred domain since the spell listed in the FRCS no longer exists. I will soon be slamming my way through the forces of good with an evil cleric of Bane PC and since I have that domain and can cast 4th level spells that information would be immediately useful.
Purple Dragon Knight 03-15-04, 04:33 AM	Originally posted by Misyrr If anyone can help me out... I'd really like to know the 4th level spell for the Hatred domain since the spell listed in the FRCS no longer exists. I will soon be slamming my way through the forces of good with an evil cleric of Bane PC and since I have that domain and can cast 4th level spells that information would be immediately useful. I recommend you use your other 4th-level domain spell until you get the book, or just use the old version of emotion until you get the book. I also have a ton of questions in regards to this book but there's only 4.5 day left before it's release so... (my game store confirmed Friday 19th for the arrival date) Patience young padawan!! :)
Mirtek 03-15-04, 07:39 AM	Originally posted by Misyrr I'd really like to know the 4th level spell for the Hatred domain since the spell listed in the FRCS no longer exists. I will soon be slamming my way through the forces of good with an evil cleric of Bane PC and since I have that domain and can cast 4th level spells that information would be immediately useful. The spell is called Song of Discord and forces targets to attack each other. Yes, I finally got my PGtF, actually all I already discovered the packet on my doorstep this morning, but since I was just leaving for work I did not have a chance to read it until now. Expect me back Online in a few hours, and then I can answer more questions.
Dawnspeaker 03-15-04, 07:59 AM	4 days...so long....must find patience.
Monsoon28 03-15-04, 08:45 AM	"...You must learn patience. Yeah, yeah, yeah patience...how long will that take?" ;) -Ti Kwan Leep, The Frantics
Dawnspeaker 03-15-04, 09:16 AM	Patience will take about five months..I'll have the damn book by then! Blarg! *sighs* They also taunt us with the "web enhancement for PGtF" now
Foolosophy 03-15-04, 10:34 AM	ah, just saw that my copy was taken to the post office today , so with luck I will have it tomorrow or at least before friday :D
Monsoon28 03-15-04, 11:59 AM	Grrrrr soooo tempted to take a quick boat or flight from Helsinki to Germany!!
biomante 03-15-04, 12:31 PM	Does anyone knows when it is going to arrive to the UK?
Ilbreth Shadowblade 03-15-04, 01:22 PM	Originally posted by Tempus665 I can read German :D I can read it too, but I can't understand a damn thing :D
AngryMonkey 03-15-04, 01:59 PM	Quick question: Do Hathran still get to have a bodyguard or ethran apprentice, and what are the spellcasting requirements to become one (how many levels of arcane and divine spells)? Cheers :D
Misyrr 03-15-04, 02:29 PM	Originally posted by Mirtek The spell is called Song of Discord and forces targets to attack each other. That's strange... A 5th-level bard only spell (13th level bard caster) available as a 4th-level domain spell?
Sillarus Silverspear 03-15-04, 05:08 PM	Could someone let me know if the Harper Paragon has any sort of spellcasting ability, and if so what? Also, maybe just a general description of the class. thanks.
TrueExodite 03-15-04, 05:37 PM	What I'd most like to find out is if the Incantatrix still becomes immune to Death Effects and Energy Drain. That's been a sore spot of mine for a long time, considering the ability is both by far too good and completely out of flavor for the class.
Mutablegenus 03-15-04, 09:01 PM	so whats the official release date? walden books said it's march 24th , ack! can't wait that long!
Dargoth 03-15-04, 11:58 PM	What does the cosmology section say about The Barrens of Doom and Despair?
Daeinar 03-16-04, 01:00 AM	Quick question: Do Hathran still get to have a bodyguard or ethran apprentice, and what are the spellcasting requirements to become one (how many levels of arcane and divine spells)? Yes. 4th level spells in either an arcane or divine class. Could someone let me know if the Harper Paragon has any sort of spellcasting ability, and if so what? Also, maybe just a general description of the class. thanks. Exalted class. Full spellcasting progression, cleric bab, good ref saves, smite eviel, favored enemy (some viel organizations to choose from). Harper Knowledge. That's basically it. What I'd most like to find out is if the Incantatrix still becomes immune to Death Effects and Energy Drain. Nope. What does the cosmology section say about The Barrens of Doom and Despair? You don't want me to write all that, do you? ;)
Dargoth 03-16-04, 01:03 AM	Originally posted by Daeinar You don't want me to write all that, do you? ;) How long is it? if its long give me the Highlights, anything involving Bane
AngryMonkey 03-16-04, 03:19 AM	Quick question: Do Hathran still get to have a bodyguard or ethran apprentice, and what are the spellcasting requirements to become one (how many levels of arcane and divine spells)? Yes. 4th level spells in either an arcane or divine class. Daeinar, you are a legend and have officially made my day:angel:
Dargoth 03-16-04, 03:45 AM	Another question Youve mentioned Grazzt and Orcus being involved in the FR but what about Arch Devils? Which ones are involved in Faerun?
Sammael_the_Chosen 03-16-04, 04:16 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth Which ones are involved in Faerun? We all are. :devil:
Dargoth 03-16-04, 04:19 AM	Originally posted by Sammael_the_Chosen We all are. :devil: So you are still around!
Shemeska the Marauder 03-16-04, 04:21 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth Another question Youve mentioned Grazzt and Orcus being involved in the FR but what about Arch Devils? Which ones are involved in Faerun? Any mention of Yugoloths? :D
Dargoth 03-16-04, 04:28 AM	Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder Any mention of Yugoloths? :D Im not sure theres an Arch Devil equivelant for NE....
Vecna 03-16-04, 05:42 AM	Any info about the Master Transmogrifist PrC? http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/pgtf_gallery/tn_78851_jpg.jpg It's a spellcaster specialized in polymorph?
Dargoth 03-16-04, 05:47 AM	Originally posted by Vecna Any info about the Master Transmogrifist PrC? http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/pgtf_gallery/tn_78851_jpg.jpg It's a spellcaster specialized in polymorph? According to Rich it was cut and will appear in the Complete Arcane
Vecna 03-16-04, 05:50 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth According to Rich it was cut and will appear in the Complete Arcane :banghead:
Aidan Milvus 03-16-04, 06:17 AM	I've been dying to learn about the Harmony spell. My bard has it, and I've been quite interested in how it's changed for 3.5
Slad Chaos 03-16-04, 06:47 AM	Prestige classes (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040305a) Can you explain why do you say that there aren't transmogrifist ? It is in the page of this link.
rich2939 03-16-04, 06:51 AM	Originally posted by Slad Chaos Prestige classes (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040305a) Can you explain why do you say that there aren't transmogrifist ? It is in the page of this link. Last minute change I guess? Either way, I see it there too, so at least you know you aren't hallucinating.
Dargoth 03-16-04, 06:54 AM	Originally posted by Slad Chaos Prestige classes (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040305a) Can you explain why do you say that there aren't transmogrifist ? It is in the page of this link. Quote from the Ask Rich baker thread "The only web enhancement I know of is the monster conversion appendix. Other stuff that was cut out of the Player's Guide included a race chapter, the monster chapter, a couple of prestige classes, and some Vile Darkness-like content (FR-specific fiend lords and elder evils). The race chapter probably won't come to light, because on examining it again, we realized that it was really pretty redundant with the FRCS and Races of Faerun. The monster chapter will be included in its entirety in an early 2005 product. At least one of the prestige classes (the Master Transmogrifist) found its way into a 3rd trimester core D&D product, which I can't quite talk about yet. The fiend lords (including Bazim-Gorag) will make it into a mid-2005 FR product."
Shemeska the Marauder 03-16-04, 08:48 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth Im not sure theres an Arch Devil equivelant for NE.... There are, but that's another topic and there's been a number of threads on them.
Lord Talamar 03-16-04, 12:00 PM	@derren: okay, I am teh "chiefeditor" and a friend of Daeinar and I think that, even if it is nice that you translated the review of daeinar into english to post it here, you should have asked him before, you did that. the reason why: even on reviews the copyright laws take grip and though we are all gamers and want to support our hobby, you should be so nice to aks the author of a work before you change or translate it in the one or other way okay no offense ment, but I wanted to say this and make that clear with most regards Talamar www.dnd-gate.de
Mirtek 03-16-04, 12:26 PM	Originally posted by Misyrr That's strange... A 5th-level bard only spell (13th level bard caster) available as a 4th-level domain spell? Well, that's the way it is, PGtF page 87. Originally posted by Dargoth How long is it? App. two full sites Originally posted by Dargoth if its long give me the Highlights, anything involving Bane At once the most grand and most horrible palace in the Barren's of Doom and Despair is Bane's black fortress, The Black Bastion. A towering edifice of adamantine, obsidian, ebony, and jet, it seems to suck out what little light there is out of the sky, casting a pall over the land all around it. Bane rules over his realm as an iron-fisted tyrant, seated on his throne of skulls. Nevertheless, soldiers from accross the planes, particulary devils, flock to serve under his despotic rule. The purpose of these soldiers is not quite clear, although since Bane has tried before to ursurp supreme power, his plans can be easily surmised. Bane is, after all, a god of strife, so he can hardly be expected to gain any satisfaction from simply watching terrestrial conflict. Originally posted by Dargoth Youve mentioned Grazzt and Orcus being involved in the FR but what about Arch Devils? Which ones are involved in Faerun? The Nine Hells encompasses no divine realms and no deities make their home here. However, each layer is ruled by an archdevil, and a few of these creatures certainly rival minor deities in power. One of the strangest things in the PGtF is table A-10 on page 189. Part of the PGtF section about Vile things in the Realms, it has Vile domains for FR deities and included among the true deities are Demonlords and Archdevils. The PGtF offers no explanation how and why they are able to grant divine spells. Originally posted by Shemeska the Marauder Any mention of Yugoloths? :D Yes: "The native inhabitants of the Blood Rift are yugoloths. All varieties described in MotP, MM2, and FF are represented here. [...] Blood Rift has no divine realms, and no deities make their homes here" No "Arch-Yugoloth" appears on the above mentioned table A-10 Originally posted by Aidan Milvus I've been dying to learn about the Harmony spell. My bard has it, and I've been quite interested in how it's changed for 3.5 Enhances the bonuses of the bard's inspire courage effect
Foolosophy 03-16-04, 04:38 PM	got the book today :D my favourite change right now (just been flippin pages): rune base cost was reduced to 50gp *doesthehappydance*
Razz 03-16-04, 06:18 PM	It isn't fair, why did Germany get their books before the US did...? And, yes, I have an OCD of trying to get new products as fast and early as possible.
Christian Landry 03-16-04, 09:52 PM	I'm curious about whether there were any changes to the Fate domain. My cleric currently has that, along with the Repose domain. My main issue is that the 4th level Fate domain spell is status, which was set as a 2nd level spell in 3.5.
Lord Talamar 03-16-04, 10:16 PM	Originally posted by Razz It isn't fair, why did Germany get their books before the US did...? And, yes, I have an OCD of trying to get new products as fast and early as possible. @razz: because we germans/europeans are the middlepoint of earth :-) (hey before someone strats ranting now, THAT was just a joke!)
Bocklin 03-17-04, 03:44 AM	Originally posted by Razz It isn't fair, why did Germany get their books before the US did...? And, yes, I have an OCD of trying to get new products as fast and early as possible. Well, WotC Europe's Headquarter (yes, they have one) is based in Belgium, near Brussels (Yeah! My country!! ;-). That's incidently also where they print all/most (not sure) of their Magic playing cards. So (wild guess) maybe they're also doing the printing of some of the books there. So it may also be available in Belgium or in the Netherlands. I don't know... Second wild guess: the first German on-line shop to ship PGtF is based in Hamburg, others don't ship it yet. Since Hamburg is THE harbour of Germany, that's more than probably where a boat with a huge cargo of PGtF would arrive from the States... And maybe the people of Dragonworld just launched an attack on the boat to steal one of these containers! After all, they're gamers like us and the waiting was also unbearable for them... ;-) Well, as you see, I really don't know and I am just excited by the fact that the PGtF should land in my post box TODAY! :D At least, that's a fair expectation considering that I got a phone confirmation from Dragonworld that the posting has been done yesterday mid-day. Yoohoo! :bounce: Bocklin
AskaniSage 03-17-04, 07:46 AM	Did the Hathran get any new spells? Do they still get their own spell list? If so, what are the spells considered since they used to be arcane? Now that a Hathran can be either Divine or an Arcane caster, does the spells become whatever type of caster that the Hathan is? Thanks for any info!
Foolosophy 03-17-04, 08:47 AM	hathran now has +1 level of existing spellcasting class but there is also a seperate hathran list (albeit a small one) of spells that are added to the class spell ist for any divine or arcane spellcasting class that allows her acess to 4th level spells wether they are new or not I cannot tell you since i'm not familiar with the 3.0 hathran
Aidan Milvus 03-17-04, 09:02 AM	Originally posted by Mirtek Enhances the bonuses of the bard's inspire courage effect [/B] Yeah, that's what it did in 3.0... I asked how it changed... 3.0 it doubled the effect of inspire courage. Does it just add to it now, double it, what? More detail appreciated. Thank you.
AskaniSage 03-17-04, 09:28 AM	Originally posted by Foolosophy hathran now has +1 level of existing spellcasting class but there is also a seperate hathran list (albeit a small one) of spells that are added to the class spell ist for any divine or arcane spellcasting class that allows her acess to 4th level spells wether they are new or not I cannot tell you since i'm not familiar with the 3.0 hathran Great! Thanks for the info!!
Razz 03-17-04, 01:54 PM	How come some bookstores I've been seeing is releasing the book on 24th-28th? I thought it was the 19th?
Dawnspeaker 03-17-04, 02:01 PM	Who knows. I'm so annoyed we don't have it yet. I'm just going to call around everywhere I can on Friday and see if comic or book stores get it and if they do..after work it is mine!!!
Arkenian 03-17-04, 02:05 PM	Originally posted by Razz How come some bookstores I've been seeing is releasing the book on 24th-28th? I thought it was the 19th? WotC usually releases to gaming stores first, because gaming stores are an important part of their business model. Bookstores would then receive it sometime a week later or so.
Mutablegenus 03-17-04, 09:10 PM	http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/pgtf_gallery/tn_78851_jpg.jpg wow, finally i can post images....
bahamut_0 03-18-04, 05:02 AM	I want mine now :(
Purple Dragon Knight 03-18-04, 06:40 AM	Originally posted by bahamut_0 I want mine now :( Dude... I know how you feel! I am a regular customer at a local comic book store, and as such, I have my private "customer shelf" where they stack all my orders between my weekly visit. THE PLAYER'S GUIDE IS STANDING RIGHT ON MY SHELF!! WITH A STICKY NOTE SAYING "RESERVED FOR <INSERT MY NAME THERE>" IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WEEK BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECEIVED STRICT INSTRUCTION FROM THE OWNER CONCERNING THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T SELL THIS BOOK BEFORE THE 19TH! THEY WILL PAY FOR NOT MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR ME... OH YEAH... THEY WILL PAY!! :88E: :hoppingma :banghead: :rant: :thumbsdow :tantrum: :headexplo :censored: :smirk:
Talok 03-18-04, 07:44 AM	You mean you can see the book with your name on it, and they won't let you have it. I believe I would inform them that you don't like being treated this way, and that they are in danger of losing your business. I would then proceed to look for another store.
Wooly Rupert 03-18-04, 09:46 AM	Originally posted by Talok You mean you can see the book with your name on it, and they won't let you have it. I believe I would inform them that you don't like being treated this way, and that they are in danger of losing your business. I would then proceed to look for another store. Some companies are quite strict about this kind of thing. If the seller is told not to sell an item before a particular time, and they get caught ignoring that, they could, at the least, lose their right to carry that material. If they've signed some sort of agreement, then it is possible they could even get sued. So this situation may be annoying, but I'd let it slide. After all, do you think that *any* seller is going to not make a sale he wants to make, if he has the chance to do so?
AskaniSage 03-18-04, 10:46 AM	I got a question about the Initates for the various gods. So all you have to do is take a feat to get the special spells? Do you have to be a cleric to take it? Is there requirements for them? For example if I choose Mystra, can I add these spells to my known spells if I am a Mystra worshipping sorcerer? Thanks for any info! Ugg I wish my store would get their copies in....been waiting for this book for a year.
Dawnspeaker 03-18-04, 10:53 AM	That is true...must be tormet for him though to see it so close..yet so far. I haven't even seen a copy anywhere. Need book!
Misyrr 03-18-04, 11:00 AM	Soon, very soon... The Walden Books, Rider's Hobby, and Borders around here said they'd have them out on the shelves tommorow! I can't wait to send my slave labor force (Players) out to pick me up a copy. Also, I just wanted to say that the lore pouring out of Ed Greenwood as of late is keeping me happy in that department. So bring on your crunchy bits and I'll be just as happy!
Celeblas 03-18-04, 12:31 PM	@AskaniSage You have to be a cleric of a certain level to select an inniate feat. Several Feats are also avaible forother divine spellcasters. Arcane Spellcaster seem not to be allowed to select an Inniate Feat. The Feats not only grant you access to new spells, but also give you a nice little power like casting spells in an Antomagic Field under given circumstances ;) @Bocklin Or Germany got it first due to the fact that the Euro is stronger than the Dollar. I'm only joking ;)
Misyrr 03-18-04, 01:03 PM	Hmph, they get the Player's Guide first, and now they've got a Rules of the Game series of articles dedicated to converting the weights in the game to metrics... Wizards is spoiling you guys!
AskaniSage 03-18-04, 01:32 PM	Originally posted by Celeblas @AskaniSage You have to be a cleric of a certain level to select an inniate feat. Several Feats are also avaible forother divine spellcasters. Arcane Spellcaster seem not to be allowed to select an Inniate Feat. The Feats not only grant you access to new spells, but also give you a nice little power like casting spells in an Antomagic Field under given circumstances ;) So it sounds like it makes you a speciality priest of the god. Cool! I miss speciality priests. thanks for the info!!
Tempus665 03-18-04, 01:49 PM	Originally posted by Misyrr and now they've got a Rules of the Game series of articles dedicated to converting the weights in the game to metrics... Wizards is spoiling you guys! Well, most of us probably already did that ourselves :) I“ve a question for the lucky ones who already have the book: does the cosmology section also have information on which of the Faerūnian planes correspond to which of the Great Wheel planes? I“m especially interested in how (and if) the Outlands fit into the Faerūnian cosmology.
Darth K'Trava 03-18-04, 01:49 PM	Originally posted by Wooly Rupert Some companies are quite strict about this kind of thing. If the seller is told not to sell an item before a particular time, and they get caught ignoring that, they could, at the least, lose their right to carry that material. If they've signed some sort of agreement, then it is possible they could even get sued. So this situation may be annoying, but I'd let it slide. After all, do you think that *any* seller is going to not make a sale he wants to make, if he has the chance to do so? And the owner KNOWS that he's gonna make that sale on the 19th. The customer may be annoyed but it's a company policy. I recall Lucasfilm doing the same for Episode I toys. You couldn't buy them before midnight on the day they went on sale or else you lost the right to carry any future toys or other merchandise from them.
Serinde 03-18-04, 02:15 PM	Can one of the fortunates who has a copy already tell me if the Blacklight spell (originally in Magic of Faerun) is in the Spells chapter? Thanks much.
Mirtek 03-18-04, 02:42 PM	Originally posted by Aidan Milvus Yeah, that's what it did in 3.0... I asked how it changed... 3.0 it doubled the effect of inspire courage. Does it just add to it now, double it, what? More detail appreciated. Thank you. Adds a +2 to the save bonuses and a +1 to the attack and damage bonusesOriginally posted by Serinde Can one of the fortunates who has a copy already tell me if the Blacklight spell (originally in Magic of Faerun) is in the Spells chapter? Thanks much. No, it isn't
Sephyrill 03-18-04, 03:35 PM	also skipped my amazon.de PGtF today and ordered it at dragonworld - where it is even cheaper than at amazon... funny so maybe I'll have my PGtF next Saturday or Monday :D So... may it be that Wizards are doing a country tombola each time they release a new book? last time the Neterlands were the lucky ones and now Germany... who comes next? Australia? France? *just kidding*
Aidan Milvus 03-18-04, 03:36 PM	Thank you Mirtek.
Dargoth 03-18-04, 06:36 PM	Hey Mirtek Are the Deity specfic spells more powerful than the regular generic spells of that level?
Kuje31 03-18-04, 06:39 PM	WHEEEEEEEEEEE! I got my copy! :) Just wanted to say that and maybe lighten the mood of the thread. :)
Dargoth 03-18-04, 06:49 PM	Originally posted by Kuje31 WHEEEEEEEEEEE! I got my copy! :) Just wanted to say that and maybe lighten the mood of the thread. :) I hate you!
Kuje31 03-18-04, 07:03 PM	Originally posted by Dargoth I hate you! :( Bah! :) Grin.
davenx01 03-18-04, 07:07 PM	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH did that look like the mood was lightened, I have to wait till tommorrow, ah ah agggh :behold: :hoppingma :banghead: :twitch: Does that clear it up aaaaaggghhhhh
Shemeska the Marauder 03-18-04, 07:09 PM	*sends tiefling goons to go 'greet' people who already have the book. Their instructions involve the term "hit their heads till PEZ pops out"* Lucky sons of... ;)
Dargoth 03-18-04, 07:11 PM	Originally posted by Kuje31 :( Bah! :) Grin. Dont worry Germany and New Zealand will keep you company!
rich2939 03-18-04, 07:11 PM	I'm glad all you guys got the books already. Now you can start typing out the entire contents of the book and PM'ing it to me :)
Misyrr 03-18-04, 07:16 PM	For real Kuje... I hate you too. :bored: Flaunting your new ownership when I must wait until tommorow... CURSE YOU!
Kuje31 03-18-04, 07:26 PM	YOUR ALL JUST JEALOUS! JEALOUS I TELL YOU! :) :smirk: :angel: :bounce: :fight!: :devil: :devil:
Reefy 03-18-04, 08:40 PM	Anyone have any idea when it's due in the UK?
The Fury of Ages 03-18-04, 11:16 PM	i got mine yesterday and i'm totally psyched about adding some of the new aspects to my campaign, especially the new way they broke up the region feats and dialects of common per region. i especially like the new hammer of moradin PrC.
Razz 03-19-04, 12:45 AM	I am tired of waiting for this book....I wish I could cryoginetically freeze myself into next week so I can awaken from my frozen state with the damn book in my hands. Better yet, freeze myself into next month so I can get Expanded Psionics Handbook. They better not do this crap with XPH...it better be out the 16th of April if not sooner.
davenx01 03-19-04, 01:03 AM	I called my FLGS, since my last post and I got my Book today, yea I'm so happy plus my preorder case of Archfiends came in as well. :invasion: :bounce: :thumbsup: :pile:
Mirtek 03-19-04, 02:51 AM	Originally posted by Dargoth Are the Deity specfic spells more powerful than the regular generic spells of that level? No, not really. They are the same spells which where already shown and avaible for all clerics in Magic of Faerun, e.G. Skulls of Secrect for clerics of Cyric and Battletide for clerics of Bane. But taking an Initiate feat not only gives access to these spells, but also grant a special pwer (Initiate of Bane lets you invoke a fear effect while Initiate of Cyric makes you immune to all fear :P )
Mystery Man 03-19-04, 06:54 AM	Picked up my copy yesterday. I'm impressed! For only 190 pages, the typeset is fairly small but no so small it's hard to read. As a result it's crammed with info. Well done. [afterthought] My FLGS that I bought it from stocked six and I'm glad I had them reserve me a copy because it sold out the same day it arrived. I think a lot of people we're waiting for this one! ;)
Zanan 03-19-04, 07:01 AM	Don't like the new version of Persistent Spell though ... :rant:
rich2939 03-19-04, 07:03 AM	I agree with you there. They've taken a semi abusable feat and reworked it into something nobody is ever going to want anymore. I see a lot of people looking into quicken now.
Mystery Man 03-19-04, 07:08 AM	Originally posted by Zanan Don't like the new version of Persistent Spell though ... :rant: I love it. :D
Dawnspeaker 03-19-04, 07:52 AM	Every game store has told me today, so on my lunch break going to just find the closest one and make sure they hold it til I get off. Now if Borders gets it, can get it on the lunch break. Either way..sooon...soon it will be mine!!! (unless shipping messed up)
jasamcarl 03-19-04, 08:51 AM	Originally posted by Razz I am tired of waiting for this book....I wish I could cryoginetically freeze myself into next week so I can awaken from my frozen state with the damn book in my hands. Better yet, freeze myself into next month so I can get Expanded Psionics Handbook. They better not do this crap with XPH...it better be out the 16th of April if not sooner. Or what?
Tempus665 03-19-04, 09:14 AM	Originally posted by Zanan Don't like the new version of Persistent Spell though What did they change?
TrueExodite 03-19-04, 10:13 AM	Originally posted by Zanan Don't like the new version of Persistent Spell though. Didn't they just change it to +6 levels instead of +4? I must confess that I could easily see it as applying to all spells cast on self rather than only personal ones and stick with +4 as well. There are only three spells that are too good with it, maybe five under some circumstances. The first 3 would be Divine Favor, Divine Power, Righteous Might and the last two Blink and Displacement (if you allowed spells cast on self). Really, the problem lies with certain spells that are too strong as it is - not in the feat itself.
Razz 03-19-04, 10:34 AM	Originally posted by jasamcarl Or what? Or I'll just be very very angry. :behold:
Razz 03-19-04, 10:42 AM	ARRGH! It's the 19th!! Where is it where is it where is it!? I'm liable to have criminal intentions on getting that book.....
Dawnspeaker 03-19-04, 01:27 PM	Mine mine all mine!!! My local comic store got it around noon, ran up there on lunch break and got it. So go find it my friends...and buy!!
Misyrr 03-19-04, 01:39 PM	I'll have mine within an hour! It was a horrible thing... While I slept, one of my player's went to all the local bookstores searching for the thing and was unable to find it. So I immediately freaked out and called a hundred and ten places... None of them had it. I was feeling pretty bitter at about that time when I decided to call the places he visited on the chance that he might've gone too early (before the books were put on display/shelf) and it happened that he was! So now he's going to go grab me a copy. Good stuff, good stuff.
Shemeska the Marauder 03-19-04, 02:17 PM	Actually it's my birthday today, and I like to delude myself into thinking that WotC in all their kindness delayed the sale of the book till today the 19th just to celebrate on my behalf. ;) So anybody feel like buying the book for me as a birthday present? Anyone? :angel:
Zanan 03-19-04, 03:37 PM	Originally posted by TrueExodite The first 3 would be Divine Favor, Divine Power, Righteous Might and the last two Blink and Displacement (if you allowed spells cast on self). Really, the problem lies with certain spells that are too strong as it is - not in the feat itself. Add Shield of Faith, Protection from ..., Shield to the list. DF & DP are the only good clerical spells that helps in case the cleric actually wants to be something different than the healing tank who runs past any fallen or injured fighter or mage. As it is now, only first level spells have any chance of ever been taken with that feat, since you nee 7th (as in SEVENTH) level slots for them. Any sane spellcaster who wants spells ready at hand takes Quicken Spell now. But I guess that is off topic, so sorry to rant about. :rolleyes:
Monsoon28 03-19-04, 04:39 PM	I hate you! I hate you all! All you :censored: :censored: :censored: and ! especially hate Finland right about now this :censored: Country! Why couldn't they :censored: get the shipment!! Tomorrow I'm gonna back to that story and :hoppingma :fight!: Grrrraaaww! heck they still only have Dragon Mag 316, and 318 is supposed to be out now, what are they now running a month behind on that too?! Ok sorry rant over....I'm sure I'll learn to love again...one day...when my PGtF arrives....sigh :sad: Maybe I will take that boat to Germany...or Stockholm...or not.
Dawnspeaker 03-19-04, 04:44 PM	Originally posted by Monsoon28 I hate you! I hate you all! All you :censored: :censored: :censored: and ! especially hate Finland right about now this :censored: Country! If it helps for about an entire week I hated the Germans (no offense o'course). Kept talking about the book and taunting me with it. Was torment. It'll be there soon and all worth while. (The Morninglord of Lathander is awesome!)
Monsoon28 03-19-04, 04:54 PM	Sorry now back on topic Persistent Spell is now +6?! sputtert...gasp! that's pretty much making it Epic isn't it? I think i'll stick to extended or better yet just Enhance instead! *EDIT: Dawnspeak If it helps for about an entire week I hated the Germans (no offense o'course). Kept talking about the book and taunting me with it. Was torment. It'll be there soon and all worth while. (The Morninglord of Lathander is awesome!) Thanks, i guess this is payback for those times when something came early to Toronto before is hit the US market...sooner or later you end-up getting bite in the arse, guess it's my turn ;)
TrueExodite 03-19-04, 10:08 PM	Originally posted by Zanan Add Shield of Faith, Protection from ..., Shield to the list. Not at all, these spells all add bonuses that are either easily available and thus doesn't stack or are cheap as items. Everyone ends up with a Cloak of Resistence and a Ring of Protection eventually, these spells aren't orth the effort to persist. Now, a +6 luck bonus to hit and damage, up to 5 more actual BAB or an additional 8 Strength that's stackable coupled with some natural armor, a size increase and damage reduction can't easily be gotten by other means. In my original post I didn't consider that the Ring of Blinking is there as a good alternative but the 3.5 Cloak of Displacement isn't close to being as good as a Persistant Displacement would be, if possible. Originally posted by Zanan DF & DP are the only good clerical spells that helps in case the cleric actually wants to be something different than the healing tank who runs past any fallen or injured fighter or mage. I disagree, and could probably go on for any amount of pages to prove how broken the Cleric class is. However, that would be both OT and hijacking so I won't, for now. :) Originally posted by Zanan As it is now, only first level spells have any chance of ever been taken with that feat, since you nee 7th level slots for them. Agreed, save Divine Favor the feat is rather pointless now. However, we have a small number of abusable spells to blame for this and it galls me that they chose to nerf the feat instead of the spells as this doesn't really fix anything.
Misyrr 03-20-04, 12:55 AM	Flipping through the Player's Guide I came across the Baneblades of Demron (Magic Weapons section) and I've got to say I'm impressed. I very much like the extra little bit of lore you get with the weapons and they're all impressive in battle as well. If my players ever get up the courage to invade Myth Drannor they may just stumble over one, along with some bitter outsiders in hiding that would love to get a bit of vengeance on dangerous maruading adventuring bands and their biting magic and blades, of course.
Divrenne 03-20-04, 01:33 AM	we got here in kalowna today but I don't have the money to get untill tuesday but i looked at it and it look s like its totally worth it and I cant waite
Lago AM3P 03-20-04, 01:49 AM	When they changed persistent spell, they at least changed the range of spells you can make persistent right? I.E. no more 'personal' or 'fixed' range spells?
Lago AM3P 03-20-04, 01:52 AM	Otherwise, the feat is near worthless YET the time domain has become massively frickin' better.
rottenking82 03-20-04, 10:40 AM	I'm interested in the epic classes (Netherese Arcanist and the Spellfire Heirophant). Can anyone give me a summary of the Spellfire Heirophant and its reqs? Yes, I'm getting disgruntled about not having the book yet either, but hopefully it'll be in soon.
Slad Chaos 03-20-04, 10:53 AM	What did it say on the vasharans in faerun ?
Tempus665 03-20-04, 11:18 AM	Originally posted by rottenking82 Can anyone give me a summary of the Spellfire Heirophant and its reqs? Just download this epic compilation (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030810a), and there“s your Spellfire Hierophant.
rottenking82 03-20-04, 01:08 PM	Thanks Tempus 665.
ender 03-20-04, 04:51 PM	Tee Hee! Just got mine. (Giddy as a schoolboy):bounce: There's some sloppy editing I might take issue with... but instead I think I'll just say that I love all the stuff on the cosmology. Makes me really want to stock up on those forked rods for plane shifting :)
biomante 03-21-04, 09:30 AM	I got my copy last Friday. I went to my local shop but I didn't see it on the shelves; so I decided to just buy an archfiends miniature pack, and while I was at it I asked one of the employees when they were going to receive the PGtF; and he said: "We just got it today, you want a copy?", and he unpacked them immediately to sell me a copy. It was cool indeed. I think the book is really good (even if there are some obvious mistakes in it, like some of the legends in the art, the picture of the gray dwarf has gold dwarf under it, etc). The regional feats improved a lot, and the incorporation of vile thematics looks cool also..., well, I have to finish reading it, and immediately afterwards I have to create a new character.
Mutablegenus 03-21-04, 10:20 AM	i got mine last friday but a little disappointed i was under the illusion that it was a 3.5 reprint of FRCS
Derren S. 03-21-04, 04:09 PM	How are the Initate feats? Casting in an antimagic field sounds pretty good. Are they balanced? (compared to everything else and to each other).
Purple Dragon Knight 03-21-04, 05:02 PM	Originally posted by rottenking82 I'm interested in the epic classes (Netherese Arcanist and the Spellfire Heirophant). Can anyone give me a summary of the Spellfire Heirophant and its reqs? Yes, I'm getting disgruntled about not having the book yet either, but hopefully it'll be in soon. Spellfire Hierophant is the same as the one they posted online about a year ago (the Epic PrCs article... I saved it on my hard drive -- not sure if it's still up on the FR website though)
Kastas 03-21-04, 09:59 PM	Originally posted by Slad Chaos What did it say on the vasharans in faerun ? The Vasharans and Jerrens are mentioned only briefly in a small sidebar. The authors state that since they have no place in Faerun's history, integrating them into a FR campaign can be difficult. They give 3 options for dealing with the Vasharans and Jerrens: 1) Incorporate them as is, placing them in remote regions, away from other cultures. 2) Merge them into existing cultures. 3) Ignore them completely.
Misyrr 03-22-04, 09:14 AM	Originally posted by Derren S. How are the Initate feats? Casting in an antimagic field sounds pretty good. Are they balanced? (compared to everything else and to each other). They're really cool! The Initiate of Bane feat really spiced up my cleric of Bane. I'd say they are well balanced, none of them is TOO powerful... My character got a frightful presence ability for his feat, and a number of spells that only Initiates of Bane can cast. To top that off the new write up for the Hatred domain gave me some neat new spells, and the Touch of Hate which lets my character create evil minion beasts (Beast of Xvim [now Bane]).
AskaniSage 03-22-04, 02:46 PM	Has anyone else picked up their copy at Barnes & Noble? I called & they still don't have copies yet.
AskaniSage 03-22-04, 02:46 PM	Did the Witches of Rashemen get any new regional feats beside the updated Ethan feat? Any psionic type feats in the book?
Talok 03-22-04, 03:19 PM	Originally posted by Mutablegenus i got mine last friday but a little disappointed i was under the illusion that it was a 3.5 reprint of FRCS Sorry you were under that illusion, but I thought that it's description and the posts about it's content were pretty clear. Surely, you can still get some good use out of it. I know that I will.
Zoroh 03-22-04, 04:46 PM	Any of u lucky guys that already got it could tell me what is diferent in the Divine Champion PrC????? :D
Christian Landry 03-22-04, 07:28 PM	Originally posted by Christian Landry I'm curious about whether there were any changes to the Fate domain. My cleric currently has that, along with the Repose domain. My main issue is that the 4th level Fate domain spell is status, which was set as a 2nd level spell in 3.5. I'm still curious about the Fate domain. And the Repose domain as well, as I believe that too is a FR domain. Given that it was meant as a substitute of the Death domain for deities that aren't evil, I'm curious to see if it still has deathwatch as a 1st level domain spell.
Plunderer_of_the_planes 03-22-04, 08:14 PM	Just a quick question: How much reprinting was done and if you are a person who has not fully converted to 3.5 nor intend to and have most of the previous books is it useful?
Kuje31 03-22-04, 08:25 PM	Originally posted by Plunderer_of_the_planes Just a quick question: How much reprinting was done and if you are a person who has not fully converted to 3.5 nor intend to and have most of the previous books is it useful? I'd say at least 50% of it is reprinted matieral to update FR to 3.5. The new regional feat and starting eq chapter, the spell and prestige class chapter, etc. Then the rest is updates to bring the year to 1373 by including novel and sourcebook info, as well as info for the new planes......
Bocklin 03-23-04, 09:42 AM	Originally posted by Kuje31 I'd say at least 50% of it is reprinted matieral to update FR to 3.5. The new regional feat and starting eq chapter, the spell and prestige class chapter, etc. Then the rest is updates to bring the year to 1373 by including novel and sourcebook info, as well as info for the new planes...... Throw in a couple of good thematic PrCs and new spells and you've got the full picture. Although I would say that the regional Feats system is not really a reprint. The new regional Feats are much more powerful (pumped Feats really) and also you now have regions for all the races. A moon-elf from the North does not get the same regional Feats and bonus equipment as a Cormanthyr Moon-Elf for example. I really like the new regional Feats system, I must say... Bocklin
Misyrr 03-23-04, 11:01 AM	Originally posted by Bocklin Throw in a couple of good thematic PrCs and new spells and you've got the full picture. Although I would say that the regional Feats system is not really a reprint. The new regional Feats are much more powerful (pumped Feats really) and also you now have regions for all the races. A moon-elf from the North does not get the same regional Feats and bonus equipment as a Cormanthyr Moon-Elf for example. I really like the new regional Feats system, I must say... Bocklin Me too, definetly the best thing about the book.
Kuje31 03-23-04, 01:28 PM	Originally posted by Bocklin Throw in a couple of good thematic PrCs and new spells and you've got the full picture. Although I would say that the regional Feats system is not really a reprint. The new regional Feats are much more powerful (pumped Feats really) and also you now have regions for all the races. A moon-elf from the North does not get the same regional Feats and bonus equipment as a Cormanthyr Moon-Elf for example. I really like the new regional Feats system, I must say... Bocklin Well fine, but even Rich said only about 45% of it is new material that has never been printed in any 3/3.5 book. :) The regional system isn't a reprint? How'd you figure. It was in the FRCS and now it's updated.... Looks reprinted to me and parts of it are nice but parts of it kind of stinks. :) Some of those feats should be allowed beyond 1st level.
ender 03-23-04, 03:46 PM	Originally posted by Kuje31 The regional system isn't a reprint? How'd you figure. It was in the FRCS and now it's updated.... Looks reprinted to me and parts of it are nice but parts of it kind of stinks. :) Some of those feats should be allowed beyond 1st level. What don't you like about it, Kuje? I agree, though, that some of those feats, at least, should be allowed past 1st level. As an example that really sticks out: Daylight Adaptation. I had assumed, when that feat was first published, that it was for creatures that took pains to expose themselves to sunlight for long periods in order to acclimatize themselves to it; not something you start out with. For a PC, in my campaign, I wouldn't allow that feat to be taken until he has gained at least three levels.
Kuje31 03-23-04, 05:00 PM	Originally posted by ender What don't you like about it, Kuje? I agree, though, that some of those feats, at least, should be allowed past 1st level. As an example that really sticks out: Daylight Adaptation. I had assumed, when that feat was first published, that it was for creatures that took pains to expose themselves to sunlight for long periods in order to acclimatize themselves to it; not something you start out with. For a PC, in my campaign, I wouldn't allow that feat to be taken until he has gained at least three levels. Mostly what you said above. But it also kind of stinks that you can't get them any longer with knowledge local, and that you can only ever get one and only at 1st level. It doesn't really matter to me that much, since I didn't use the rules in the FRCS either and all PC's and NPC's in my game start with one free regional, if they are from Realmspace.
ender 03-24-04, 05:39 AM	Originally posted by Kuje31 Mostly what you said above. But it also kind of stinks that you can't get them any longer with knowledge local, and that you can only ever get one and only at 1st level. It doesn't really matter to me that much, since I didn't use the rules in the FRCS either and all PC's and NPC's in my game start with one free regional, if they are from Realmspace. I noticed that idea on a thread a little while ago (I can find it for those interested, but I'm too lazy at the moment). Does anyone think that the free regional feat idea is no longer viable, now that the regional feats have been retooled to be more powerful?
Cunning Linguist 03-24-04, 10:49 AM	Originally posted by ender I noticed that idea on a thread a little while ago (I can find it for those interested, but I'm too lazy at the moment). Does anyone think that the free regional feat idea is no longer viable, now that the regional feats have been retooled to be more powerful? With Races of Faerun and FRCS, I gave them away as a free feat at 1 level. (the there was a region match) I'd have to see the what my players take before doing this again.. Might do it if they want to have the "Forester" feat, but not "Luck of Heros"...
ethicalsean 03-24-04, 11:44 AM	Am I alone in thinking that cosmopolitan was nerfed too much? Looking at Education, how could they power up education and nerf cosmopolitan? Oh, and does anyone know where that "negotiator" feat is for the Harper PrC?
BobROE 03-24-04, 01:09 PM	Originally posted by ethicalsean Oh, and does anyone know where that "negotiator" feat is for the Harper PrC? The 3.5 PH.
Pauper 03-24-04, 07:47 PM	Originally posted by Zoroh Any of u lucky guys that already got it could tell me what is diferent in the Divine Champion PrC????? :D Only Fort is a good save instead of Fort and Reflex. The bonus feat you get at 2nd and 4th is from a limited list instead of being any fighter feat. Lay on hands points from Divine Champion can only be used to heal those with the same patron. Smite Infidel no longer can be 'stacked' with another smite ability - if you have another smite ability, you just get one more use of that ability (though I'm told this had been changed even before the PGtF came out). -- Pauper
ethicalsean 03-24-04, 09:47 PM	What about this so called "Improved Spellcasting" feat requirement for Netherese Arcanist. I looked up in the ELH and all over the 3.5 PhB and PGtF and can't find anything.
BrassMonkey 03-24-04, 09:58 PM	Any stats for the purple dragon of Cormyr in the PGtF? I've seen his name mentioned before, but never actual stats....
ender 03-24-04, 10:30 PM	Originally posted by BrassMonkey Any stats for the purple dragon of Cormyr in the PGtF? I've seen his name mentioned before, but never actual stats.... The Purple Dragon is semi-legendary. Thaugmaglorus was an old wyrm black that ruled Cormyr way before it was Cormyr. Some people think that the Purple Dragon still exists to defend Cormyr, but no one is even sure if it actually exists. For more, see the FRCS Cormyr entry and the Cormyr novel by Ed.
Dargoth 03-24-04, 10:32 PM	Originally posted by BrassMonkey Any stats for the purple dragon of Cormyr in the PGtF? I've seen his name mentioned before, but never actual stats.... There are stats in Complete Fighter and PGTF if your talking about the Purple Dragon Knight, if your talking about the Purple Dragon as in the Dragon then no
Cthulhu 03-25-04, 02:55 AM	Originally posted by AskaniSage Any psionic type feats in the book? No new psionic feats, but there is a psionic prestige class (the Cognition Thief) and some psionic organizations described.
AskaniSage 03-25-04, 01:56 PM	Originally posted by Cthulhu No new psionic feats, but there is a psionic prestige class (the Cognition Thief) and some psionic organizations described. Thanks for the info!! :D
Meepo the Iconic Kobold 03-25-04, 02:53 PM	Originally posted by ethicalsean What about this so called "Improved Spellcasting" feat requirement for Netherese Arcanist. I looked up in the ELH and all over the 3.5 PhB and PGtF and can't find anything. I'm guessing they meant Improved Spell Capacity.