the haunted lands pt 2 and the spellplague [Archive] - Wizards Community

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yarethon

03-09-08, 10:54 AM
Did someone start reading it yet?

I have started it, and I was surprised to see that there was a leap of 10 years in the story.
There is actually a description of the spellplague in the book.

I just thought people here would like to know and discuss it.
Lord Karsus

03-09-08, 08:12 PM
-I miss the days when there was a steady and methodical passage of time...:(
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-10-08, 01:55 PM
Yeah--I haven't started reading this book yet, but I was a bit surprised to learn that this book starts 10 years after the events of the previous book. Now, I knew this series would involve the Spellplague, but 10 years is...a lot of time...

To think, I thought the "jump-ahead" of one, then two years in the LP series was jarring.
18DELTA

03-10-08, 02:02 PM
Did someone start reading it yet?

I have started it, and I was surprised to see that there was a leap of 10 years in the story.
There is actually a description of the spellplague in the book.

I just thought people here would like to know and discuss it.
-I take it that the novel is out, huh?:confused: If so I must go and get it!!!:D


18DELTA;)
yarethon

03-10-08, 02:47 PM
It is out!
I am almost done with it.
Kenzuki

03-10-08, 03:24 PM
Yeah--I haven't started reading this book yet, but I was a bit surprised to learn that this book starts 10 years after the events of the previous book. Now, I knew this series would involve the Spellplague, but 10 years is...a lot of time...

To think, I thought the "jump-ahead" of one, then two years in the LP series was jarring.

Ten years is but a short flicker in the vast expanse of time. It is nothing.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-10-08, 04:04 PM
Ten years is but a short flicker in the vast expanse of time. It is nothing.

...But a time skip like that is pretty uncommon in FR trilogies. In fact, it might even be unprecedented.
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 04:22 PM
...But a time skip like that is pretty uncommon in FR trilogies. In fact, it might even be unprecedented.

-Into the future, it is. The novel Star of Cursrah alternated timelines and stories over a vast expanse of time (thousands of years), but the storyline that did not take place in the past was set in the then-present. The only comparable time-jump was in the Last Mythal trilogy, where the last scene took place in 1380 DR, six years in the future.

-And, yes, I thought the time-jumping in the Lady Penitent trilogy was horrible as well. That, and the final book in the Last Mythal trilogy was when the steady passage of time and set date began to get ignored.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-10-08, 04:28 PM
-The only comparable time-jump was in the Last Mythal trilogy, where the last scene took place in 1380 DR, six years in the future.


*laughs* Oh, don't get me started on that.;)
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 04:30 PM
*laughs* Oh, don't get me started on that.;)

-You're preaching to the choir, don't worry.
Kenzuki

03-10-08, 04:43 PM
I'm not trying to be mean here or anything guys, but it really does seem to me that all alot of you do now a days is complain about virtually everything that comes out now. Can't you just sit down and enjoy something, anything? Would you actually prefer that the Realms become stagnant and eventually die off because of lack of interest?
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 04:52 PM
Would you actually prefer that the Realms become stagnant and eventually die off because of lack of interest?

-The fact that people complain that novels are canon means that the Realms are, nor ever were, "stagnant".
Kenzuki

03-10-08, 05:18 PM
-The fact that people complain that novels are canon means that the Realms are, nor ever were, "stagnant".

I ment the Realms would have become stagnant if it never advanced is all. Is the novel at least a good read?
Strife026

03-10-08, 05:37 PM
Kenzuki, the novel is good read. Although i do kind of dislike the timejump and not being able to read about what happened in the 10 years of war between book 1 and 2. But, the story is well written and shows how wizards cope with the loss of the weave after Mystra's death. My only question is how big is the next jump in time between books 2 and 3?
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 06:06 PM
I ment the Realms would have become stagnant if it never advanced is all. Is the novel at least a good read?

-Yes, and as I pointed out, novels are canon, and thus, the setting never is, or never was, stagnant. As for this particular novel, I've never read it, so I don't know. The aforementioned Star of Cursrah, as well as Blackstaff, are the best Forgotten Realms novels, though.
yarethon

03-10-08, 07:10 PM
My only question is how big is the next jump in time between books 2 and 3?


I wonder about that too. I am betting that at some point in the last book we will be a hundred years later than the second, even if just in the last chapter.


The book was good ( I just finished) so I don't care about the time jumping at all.
... and really... we already knew that 4e FR is going a century in the future... so it is kind of hard to expect a slow pace.

I guess I am a minority here. I like the fact the novels are canon and that the chronology is moving fast. That gives me more material to explore.
What I dislike is a RSE every year(or more).

The aforementioned Star of Cursrah, as well as Blackstaff, are the best Forgotten Realms novels, though.

Really? I've found Blackstaff very boring. I really like khelben and elves... but I had to force myself finishing that book.
I don't blame the author .... he needed at least a trilogy to tell that story.
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 07:16 PM
Really?

-Yep.
Telagaunt

03-10-08, 07:36 PM
Does the book say how Mystra dies?
Kenzuki

03-10-08, 07:46 PM
Does the book say how Mystra dies?

We know how she dies. Cyric ganks her.
Telagaunt

03-10-08, 07:57 PM
Oh lol.
yarethon

03-10-08, 07:58 PM
Th book does not "show" or directly describe Mystra's death; it rather shows the effects that her death causes in Thay ( which is in the middle of a heavily magical war).
MarkusTay63

03-10-08, 09:26 PM
So, does this happen in that novel -

Thay’s forbidding plateaus were lifted thousands of feet higher, leaving many of its cities in ruins. The Priador and eastern Thesk are a maze of monster-haunted foothills beneath Thay’s daunting ramparts now. Fencelike ridges of glass spires, drifting earthmotes covered in weird aerial forests, towering mesas of whorled stone…Or will it probably be in the next one?

I think all of that would be pretty hard to ignore, especially the change in altitude.

Answer in a spoiler in you can, so others don't 'freak'. ;)
ywhtptgtfo

03-10-08, 10:34 PM
-Into the future, it is. The novel Star of Cursrah alternated timelines and stories over a vast expanse of time (thousands of years), but the storyline that did not take place in the past was set in the then-present. The only comparable time-jump was in the Last Mythal trilogy, where the last scene took place in 1380 DR, six years in the future.

-And, yes, I thought the time-jumping in the Lady Penitent trilogy was horrible as well. That, and the final book in the Last Mythal trilogy was when the steady passage of time and set date began to get ignored.

Yeah, I guess the first of the Last Mythal trilogy is where the start of FR's downward spiral is. Subsequent novels trilogies such as sequels of WotSQ, Haunted Lands, Twilight wars, and Drizzt's most recent trilogy are all geared towards 4ed and introduce contents that many of us hugely dislike (clean-sweep of Drow Pantheon, the whole Netheril and Cormanthyr revival crap, and the WoW-plagerising orc garbage).
Lord Karsus

03-10-08, 11:26 PM
Yeah, I guess the first of the Last Mythal trilogy is where the start of FR's downward spiral is.

-Unfortunatley, that's close enough to the mark.
dav

03-10-08, 11:55 PM
I read Unclean and I was planning on buying this book. Now Im torn. I was going to use the 4e novels as my jumping off point. I have no interest in the new Realms and no desire to participate in them at all. But I hate not finishing a series. So now I have to decide whether I would rather finish the series or not pay for something 4e FR.
Lord Karsus

03-11-08, 12:25 AM
I read Unclean and I was planning on buying this book. Now Im torn. I was going to use the 4e novels as my jumping off point. I have no interest in the new Realms and no desire to participate in them at all. But I hate not finishing a series. So now I have to decide whether I would rather finish the series or not pay for something 4e FR.

-Since most novels have been pushed back signifigantly, to around, or after the introduction to 4e, it is likely that all novels, from this point on, will have something to do with 4e transitions.
Dark Wizard

03-11-08, 12:58 AM
For novels you can always settle for the library. You can also get them used on eBay, Amazon or something like that. Technically you're paying for them, but you don't contribute to WotC's sales figures. Alternatively, you can just wait past two months from when a book or game supplement released. I believe the company doesn't pay as much attention to sales of a book several months after its release. I plan to do all of those when it comes to materials I don't fee like supporting 100%, but I know I will probably need/use if I plan to play in Realms games come 4E.

Cause who am I kidding, since I don't have a steady gaming group (at least not one that uses the Realms), I'm going to have to join new groups gaming in the Realms (either tabletop or PBEM/PBP). When 4E arrives, most of those FR groups will probably use 4E FR.

WotC's 4E secret police might not be pounding down my door, but instead they imprisoned me inside an elaborate Prisoner-style scenario. Soon every which way I turn I will be faced with 4E FR books and each group available to me will most likely run some version of 4E Realms.
Lord Karsus

03-11-08, 01:01 AM
Cause who am I kidding, since I don't have a steady gaming group (at least not one that uses the Realms), I'm going to have to join new groups gaming in the Realms (either tabletop or PBEM/PBP). When 4E arrives, most of those FR groups will probably use 4E FR.

-The Realmsvault (forgottenrealmsvault.com is going to be starting up a Play-by-Post RPG soon.
Strife026

03-11-08, 05:05 AM
Markustay,

possible spoiler...




The book goes into some detail about the environment changing due to blue fire, it mainly describes cites melted to glass or certain areas with the spires mentioned in the RB quote and chasms created in the land. There is even descriptions of small islands forming due to contact with the blue fire, but the book does not describe the extreme environmental changes that happen to Thay per that RB quote. So the next book will probably introduce those new environments.
MarkusTay63

03-11-08, 11:45 AM
Thank you, Strife.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-11-08, 01:03 PM
Can't you just sit down and enjoy something, anything?

Like THIS? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYaoR4E7HXA&feature=related)
Kenzuki

03-11-08, 04:18 PM
Like THIS? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYaoR4E7HXA&feature=related)

You have a sick mind Rino.
Lord Karsus

03-11-08, 04:42 PM
Like THIS? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYaoR4E7HXA&feature=related)

:blink:...my boy...my boy...my boy...my boy...:blink:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-11-08, 08:38 PM
It's very soothing...and something that I enjoy very, VERY much! :)
Stigger

03-11-08, 08:47 PM
Soothing? I think I'd put a small piece of lead through my brain by the end of that, had I watched it all... but to each their own and all that...
GothicDan

03-11-08, 08:54 PM
I'm not trying to be mean here or anything guys, but it really does seem to me that all alot of you do now a days is complain about virtually everything that comes out now. Can't you just sit down and enjoy something, anything?

I'm actually an incredibly happy person. :) I work hard and have very high standards.

Would you actually prefer that the Realms become stagnant and eventually die off because of lack of interest?

No.

Would you rather your head spontaneously explode?

You act like there's only two options, here.
18DELTA

03-11-08, 09:35 PM
-I shall start to read the book tonight(I may read "Blackstaff" FIRST though!).:D


18DELTA:)
MarkusTay63

03-11-08, 10:24 PM
Would you rather your head spontaneously explode?I'll try anything once... :P

Anyway, this really has to do with your sig - You do know that Brian James has already rescinded on that little piece of lore?

He said something to the effect that WotC "has changed their concept for him", nullifying whatever he wrote in his article.

Weather that bodes good or bad for our fluffy feline friend... only time will tell.
-I shall start to read the book tonight (I may read "Blackstaff" FIRST though!).Go for Blackstaff; the lore is great.

Although I'm still looking for my friggin' Dark Elves... :incog:
Lord Karsus

03-12-08, 09:26 AM
It's very soothing...and something that I enjoy very, VERY much! :)

-If you like it, who am I to judge?

Weather that bodes good ot bad for our fluffy feline friend... only time will tell.

-MT, think about who and what we're dealing with, here. What are the odds it turns out good, eh?

Although I'm still looking for my friggin' Dark Elves... :incog:

-Uh...They were all eating dinner, and thus could not come out...Yeah...That's it...
GothicDan

03-12-08, 10:35 AM
Weather that bodes good ot bad for our fluffy feline friend... only time will tell.

I'll take out the sig comment once I see what they do to my lion friend
MarkusTay63

03-12-08, 11:42 AM
You know, I was just looking up Nobanion in the P&P book yesterday (looking for alternate names for him), and I came across something amusing -

Nobanion's Avatar
(Paladin 23, Cleric 23, Ranger 19, Mage 10)

Not one level of DRUID!!! :rofl:

The times, they are a' changin'. :nonono:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-12-08, 01:54 PM
-If you like it, who am I to judge?



Judge. Judge...

Oh, like this judge? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9LHwtqNcc):)
Lord Karsus

03-12-08, 02:31 PM
-Well, you win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pZ5rjU6_Jg&feature=related).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

03-12-08, 02:40 PM
:rofl: I love how the guy had a heart balloon inside his body.
18DELTA

03-12-08, 03:03 PM
-Well I started "Undead"(Will read "Blackstaff next)I thought it was funny when the "Death Moon Orb blew up in Tam's face"!!!:rofl: At the start of the "Spellplague." All Mages knew when and why it started in the book. A gigantic battle for the future of "Thay" was going down when "IT" hit!:eek:


18DELTA:D