The Plague of Neverwinter? [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Plague of Neverwinter? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TheDoomBringer
05-03-04, 11:11 PM I was browsing around, (search feature is disable ATM) and I was wondering about how things from the NWN series of games fitted into the timeline, especially the Hordes of the Underdark part of the game, the (partial) sacking of Waterdeep seems interesting.
The one site (the library one) has an excellent timeline, but it has no information past about 1370 or so.
Dargoth
05-03-04, 11:23 PM At the risk of starting another thread about whether the FR CRGS are canon or not...

I think you'll find that the events in the NWN series will be completely ignored by the PnP FR department there Never Was a Plague in neverwinter, there never was another Netherese city flying (Other than Shade) and Waterdeep was never sacked and burned by an Arch Devil.

There is a Waterdeep source book coming out next year and Im willing to bet that there will be nothing on the events that occured in Hordes of the Underdark or any of the other NWN titles
TheDoomBringer
05-03-04, 11:27 PM That is an interesting opinion, but I did actually manage to find books done about the BG games (all three in fact). I'm a tremendous fan of the BG series (you can thank that game for getting me started on the path to DnD!) and I think they have important stories. I don't know of many other FR CRPGs (BG and NWN are all Ive played) and so it looks like 1/2 have been incorporated to the main timeline.
IIRC, NWN happens sometime in the time of 1370 or so. BG1,2, and ToB all happen around 1368 (depending on how long you take to beat it, I almost got to 1370 in game).
roler
05-03-04, 11:43 PM I think it was a story made up for the online game.
TheDoomBringer
05-03-04, 11:45 PM The main NWN game can be both single or multiplayer. That is part of the problem, sure. SoU allowed multiplayer, but singleplayer was the focus, IIRC. HoTU forced single player only.
NWN is not necessarily an online only game.
Desies
05-03-04, 11:49 PM don't forget Icewind Dale 1,2. The problem is this: these games are no different than being able to play somebodyelse's campaign. Look at it this way...what is the likliness of WotC implementing any of my campaign information into their source books? ZERO. So what would make these any different? This is just another non-cannon campaign. I find it highly unlikely that you'll find stats for Minsk, Edwin or any other characters from those different games in any sourcebook. Plus who would they have listed as the one who saved Neverwinter? For me it was a Dwarven monk, then a half-orc rogue and about 20 others. They can't do it correctly so they won't do it at all.
roler
05-03-04, 11:52 PM Alright, I still don't see them using the story in the main books. Why? I heard there was some crazy earth shaking events in the NWN game. WOTC already have one of those planned this year.

You might have to face it, it is probably just a game.

If you want to find other material that can be used with the FR RPG game look towards the novels.
TheDoomBringer
05-04-04, 12:21 AM "This is just another non-cannon campaign."
So was BG I thought.
"For me it was a Dwarven monk, then a half-orc rogue and about 20 others."
Solved by just arbitrarily picking someone or making someone up, like the BG novels.
"these games are no different than being able to play somebodyelse's campaign."
Well, considering they bear the FR logo and everything...

But good points all of them, I am not necessarily advocating that every CRPG be included into the main storyline. I just enjoyed the games and wondered if they were part of the "official" timeline. BG is definately in, I found that answer in a FAQ. I actually don't have the novels, no time/money.
waternut101
05-04-04, 12:28 AM Um last time I checked DnD was still a game. Do whatever it is that you want, I love the stories, as do lots of people. If you want to incorperate them into your campaign, just do some digging on the net. None of the stuff will be canon of course, but as long as your having fun with your game.
Kuje31
05-04-04, 01:52 PM The computer games are not canon. Novels, sourcebooks, and Dragon articles based on said games are canon. :) Simple. :)
Mirtek
05-04-04, 02:11 PM Originally posted by TheDoomBringer
BG is definately in, I found that answer in a FAQ. I actually don't have the novels, no time/money. Actually BG currently holds a strange position neither truly in nor truly out.

Like Kuje31 said only novels, Dragon Magazine and sourcebooks are canon.

BG has these things, but is still completly ignored by all major sourcebooks.

Usually a game which truly became canon (through the above mentioned means) is thereafter a part of the official timeline like any other event.

With BG it's different. While the things which should make it canon are all there, each and every event of the BG series is not only completly ignored by the supplements who should most heavily deal with it, but in most cases even directly contradicted.

Since WotC seems not willing to just say the "magic word": Yes or No (IMO because they prefer leaving both sides in the dark to telling the answer and thus #### #### one side) we can only wonder about the "mysterious case of BG"
Kuje31
05-04-04, 04:25 PM Originally posted by Mirtek
Usually a game which truly became canon (through the above mentioned means) is thereafter a part of the official timeline like any other event.

The official novel timeline on the WOTC site isn't good enough? Sure works for me since WOTC has them listed as 1368 and 1369. :)

Also there are quite a few FR novels that are not in any of the official sourcebook timelines but they are still canon. :)
Taelohn
05-04-04, 04:33 PM We had much this same discussion (about Neverwinter and canon) in a recent thread - perhaps it will be of some use:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215188

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TheDoomBringer 05-03-04, 11:11 PM	I was browsing around, (search feature is disable ATM) and I was wondering about how things from the NWN series of games fitted into the timeline, especially the Hordes of the Underdark part of the game, the (partial) sacking of Waterdeep seems interesting. The one site (the library one) has an excellent timeline, but it has no information past about 1370 or so.
Dargoth 05-03-04, 11:23 PM	At the risk of starting another thread about whether the FR CRGS are canon or not... I think you'll find that the events in the NWN series will be completely ignored by the PnP FR department there Never Was a Plague in neverwinter, there never was another Netherese city flying (Other than Shade) and Waterdeep was never sacked and burned by an Arch Devil. There is a Waterdeep source book coming out next year and Im willing to bet that there will be nothing on the events that occured in Hordes of the Underdark or any of the other NWN titles
TheDoomBringer 05-03-04, 11:27 PM	That is an interesting opinion, but I did actually manage to find books done about the BG games (all three in fact). I'm a tremendous fan of the BG series (you can thank that game for getting me started on the path to DnD!) and I think they have important stories. I don't know of many other FR CRPGs (BG and NWN are all Ive played) and so it looks like 1/2 have been incorporated to the main timeline. IIRC, NWN happens sometime in the time of 1370 or so. BG1,2, and ToB all happen around 1368 (depending on how long you take to beat it, I almost got to 1370 in game).
roler 05-03-04, 11:43 PM	I think it was a story made up for the online game.
TheDoomBringer 05-03-04, 11:45 PM	The main NWN game can be both single or multiplayer. That is part of the problem, sure. SoU allowed multiplayer, but singleplayer was the focus, IIRC. HoTU forced single player only. NWN is not necessarily an online only game.
Desies 05-03-04, 11:49 PM	don't forget Icewind Dale 1,2. The problem is this: these games are no different than being able to play somebodyelse's campaign. Look at it this way...what is the likliness of WotC implementing any of my campaign information into their source books? ZERO. So what would make these any different? This is just another non-cannon campaign. I find it highly unlikely that you'll find stats for Minsk, Edwin or any other characters from those different games in any sourcebook. Plus who would they have listed as the one who saved Neverwinter? For me it was a Dwarven monk, then a half-orc rogue and about 20 others. They can't do it correctly so they won't do it at all.
roler 05-03-04, 11:52 PM	Alright, I still don't see them using the story in the main books. Why? I heard there was some crazy earth shaking events in the NWN game. WOTC already have one of those planned this year. You might have to face it, it is probably just a game. If you want to find other material that can be used with the FR RPG game look towards the novels.
TheDoomBringer 05-04-04, 12:21 AM	"This is just another non-cannon campaign." So was BG I thought. "For me it was a Dwarven monk, then a half-orc rogue and about 20 others." Solved by just arbitrarily picking someone or making someone up, like the BG novels. "these games are no different than being able to play somebodyelse's campaign." Well, considering they bear the FR logo and everything... But good points all of them, I am not necessarily advocating that every CRPG be included into the main storyline. I just enjoyed the games and wondered if they were part of the "official" timeline. BG is definately in, I found that answer in a FAQ. I actually don't have the novels, no time/money.
waternut101 05-04-04, 12:28 AM	Um last time I checked DnD was still a game. Do whatever it is that you want, I love the stories, as do lots of people. If you want to incorperate them into your campaign, just do some digging on the net. None of the stuff will be canon of course, but as long as your having fun with your game.
Kuje31 05-04-04, 01:52 PM	The computer games are not canon. Novels, sourcebooks, and Dragon articles based on said games are canon. :) Simple. :)
Mirtek 05-04-04, 02:11 PM	Originally posted by TheDoomBringer BG is definately in, I found that answer in a FAQ. I actually don't have the novels, no time/money. Actually BG currently holds a strange position neither truly in nor truly out. Like Kuje31 said only novels, Dragon Magazine and sourcebooks are canon. BG has these things, but is still completly ignored by all major sourcebooks. Usually a game which truly became canon (through the above mentioned means) is thereafter a part of the official timeline like any other event. With BG it's different. While the things which should make it canon are all there, each and every event of the BG series is not only completly ignored by the supplements who should most heavily deal with it, but in most cases even directly contradicted. Since WotC seems not willing to just say the "magic word": Yes or No (IMO because they prefer leaving both sides in the dark to telling the answer and thus #### #### one side) we can only wonder about the "mysterious case of BG"
Kuje31 05-04-04, 04:25 PM	Originally posted by Mirtek Usually a game which truly became canon (through the above mentioned means) is thereafter a part of the official timeline like any other event. The official novel timeline on the WOTC site isn't good enough? Sure works for me since WOTC has them listed as 1368 and 1369. :) Also there are quite a few FR novels that are not in any of the official sourcebook timelines but they are still canon. :)
Taelohn 05-04-04, 04:33 PM	We had much this same discussion (about Neverwinter and canon) in a recent thread - perhaps it will be of some use: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215188