Underdark Errata [Archive] - Wizards Community

Underdark Errata [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kuje31
10-24-03, 03:12 AM I didn't see a errata thread for Underdark so I started one. So far I caught this.

Page 121, Avolakias: Thankfully few in number, the avolokias (My addition: I think it should be avolakias) are master necromancers and shapechangers. In its true form, an avolakia is a 10-foot monstrosity combining insectile, octopoid, and wormlike features. Devoted to the elevation of deities of decay and undeath (including Ghaunadaur and Velsharoon, among others), an avolokia (My addition: Again I think it should be avolakia) nest is surrounded by a shambling army of undead under the monsters' control. Avolakias occasionally ally with aboleths or mind flayers, but they regard humanoids of any sort as nothing more than fodder for creating more undead.
zootcat
10-24-03, 02:36 PM Monster Manual 3.5 gives the derro level adjustment at +2. Underdark gives it at +1 (page 19, Table 1—2). Thus the ECL should be 5—not 4 (page 20). If I missed something, please set me straight.
Kuje31
10-25-03, 03:34 PM Bump any one else find any errors?
Herr Doktor
10-25-03, 04:53 PM Underdark IS out, correct?

I must get it today, must, yes... Good players with cars willing to go and make the purchase for me.
Kuje31
10-25-03, 05:24 PM Originally posted by Herr Doktor
Underdark IS out, correct?

I must get it today, must, yes... Good players with cars willing to go and make the purchase for me.

Yeah, I got mine last week. :)
Gellion
10-25-03, 05:56 PM Sweet, it has Avolokia.:bounce:
Kuje31
10-25-03, 05:57 PM Originally posted by Gellion
Sweet, it has Avolokia.:bounce:

Or is it Avolakia? :) HEY NO BOUNCING, sorry old joke between me and Nightfall.
Gellion
10-25-03, 06:19 PM Originally posted by Kuje31
Or is it Avolakia? :) HEY NO BOUNCING, sorry old joke between me and Nightfall.

I believe in the MM2 it is spelt Avalokia.

Oh wait, ahhh my head hurts.:bigeyes:
Kuje31
10-25-03, 06:21 PM Originally posted by Gellion
I believe in the MM2 it is spelt Avalokia.

Oh wait, ahhh my head hurts.:bigeyes:

Great so it has three different spellings then? :) No actually its Avolakia in MM2. :)
Damador
10-26-03, 03:34 AM Originally posted by zootcat
Monster Manual 3.5 gives the derro level adjustment at +2. Underdark gives it at +1 (page 19, Table 1�2). Thus the ECL should be 5�not 4 (page 20). If I missed something, please set me straight.

no - the newest books supersedes the oldest - MM3.5 is older than UD so UD correct the MM3.5
Iakhovas
10-26-03, 09:19 AM Great. The old Lolth / Lloth debate. IMHO, when it comes to fluffy stuff like NPC names, history, etc... the original source should be canon. There is seldom a good reason to justify a NPC name change. More likely than not, the new designer simply misspelled it. Or in the case of a historical change, they didn't do proper research and simply got the facts wrong.
ruadan
10-26-03, 12:12 PM On pg. 70 in the description of the Xorn Movement armor it refers to the
"xorn movement spell (see Chapter 4). I did not find that spell in chapter 4 of UD but it can be found in the Manual of the Planes.
Another Gnome
10-26-03, 01:30 PM no - the newest books supersedes the oldest - MM3.5 is older than UD so UD correct the MM3.5

An accessory book never updates a core rule, however, unless explicitly stated so (such as was the case in the class accessory books for some spells and feats).

Unless the level adjustment in UD is specifically said to replace the MM, it's either setting-specific or simply wrong (more likely).
BobROE
10-26-03, 08:48 PM I don't have the book infront of me and so can't give a page reference but there was an NPC in the book that had ranger levels and seemed to be getting d10's for those levels. They should be d8's (unless all the info I've been getting about the 3.5 ranger has been wrong)
Sariel Rahab
10-27-03, 09:22 AM I read somewhere, might have been on the Richard Baker thread, but not quite sure, that Derro now, at least in the realms, only count as +1. On top of that is the racial HD, of course. So Underdark should be correct.
Another Gnome
10-27-03, 01:51 PM I read somewhere, might have been on the Richard Baker thread, but not quite sure, that Derro now, at least in the realms, only count as +1.

Mr. Baker was referring to duergar in that post, not derro.
Kuje31
10-29-03, 12:35 AM Bump, any one else find any more errors?
Alisttair
10-29-03, 11:42 AM They seem to have put a coffee stain on page 8....

oh no wait, that is my coffee on my copy :eek:
Herr Doktor
10-29-03, 11:56 AM Originally posted by Alisttair
oh no wait, that is my coffee on my copy :eek: That's gotta hurt! My 3rd Edition PHB had a nice blueberry stain on the rogue class page, and water damage from rain...

Not to mention none of my player's had one and they were holding out for the 3.5 one so it accumulated quite a bit of folds and structural damage...
Doran Kess
10-29-03, 03:39 PM So, sounds like a really well-done book then. (Cause I for one havn't found a single thing wrong with it yet!) :D
Alisttair
10-29-03, 05:55 PM Originally posted by Herr Doktor
That's gotta hurt! My 3rd Edition PHB had a nice blueberry stain on the rogue class page, and water damage from rain...

Not to mention none of my player's had one and they were holding out for the 3.5 one so it accumulated quite a bit of folds and structural damage...

Even worse, i spilled a bottle of Coke on my friend's 3.0 Player's Handbook. Lucky for me he was getting the 3.5 in a few months afterwards :P
Gez
10-29-03, 08:17 PM Ah, the Avolakia spelling debate... It's very confusing, because it is Avolakia in Dragon #285, but it is Avolakia in the MM2 and Avolakia in its Underdark entry, with Avolokia in the description.

Very, very confusing.

I propose we all use the "ugly hentai worm" spelling instead. http://www.nutkinland.com/images/smilies/smiles/mischief.gif
PEBKAC
10-29-03, 10:32 PM Page 138 in the Deep Imaskar entry.

Under authority figures it lists High Lord Planner Illis Khendarhine as being sorcer 4/wizard 20/archamge 6. Five level prestige classes do not scale past level 5 according to the Epic Level Handbook.
Iakhovas
11-15-03, 02:46 PM Hmmm. The history of the city of Fluvenilstra, found on page 150 says the city was attacked and razed by derro in 1470 DR. I can only assume they meant 1370 DR as 1470 would be a date far in the future.
Jem Purplefeather
11-15-03, 06:03 PM Tsk...tsk...tsk...Wizards of the Coast...we have to work on our errors...now don't we?
thalious
11-15-03, 06:17 PM Originally posted by Iakhovas
Hmmm. The history of the city of Fluvenilstra, found on page 150 says the city was attacked and razed by derro in 1470 DR. I can only assume they meant 1370 DR as 1470 would be a date far in the future.

Maybe the book is doing some predictitions now.
Ill
11-15-03, 08:22 PM Originally posted by thalious
Maybe the book is doing some predictitions now.
Can't decide whether or not that was a serious answer...
thalious
11-15-03, 08:25 PM I was being a smartmule! :angel:
Ill
11-15-03, 08:30 PM Kind of guessed that. :D
urloki
11-19-03, 12:14 PM Originally posted by BobROE
I don't have the book infront of me and so can't give a page reference but there was an NPC in the book that had ranger levels and seemed to be getting d10's for those levels. They should be d8's (unless all the info I've been getting about the 3.5 ranger has been wrong)

But the cavelord doesn't get any spells or favored enemies. It doesn't stack any abilities with ranger AFAIK. Some are redundant, so I guess the intent is to get out of ranger and in to that as fast as possible.
Sir Falke
11-19-03, 12:24 PM Page 6, Table 1-1 states that the Deep Imaskari have a +2 Int and -2 Str, while on page 9, under "Deep Imaskari Racial Traits" says +2 Inteligence and -2 Dexterity.

Being that the description on page 9 says that the Deep Imaskari are not as agile as other humanoid races, I suppose the error is on Table 1-1.
Crypt King
12-05-03, 02:14 PM Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book?
Crypt King
12-05-03, 02:14 PM Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book?
Kuje31
12-05-03, 02:52 PM Originally posted by Crypt King
Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book?

Check page 49 in the 3.5 MM. :)
Kezghan
12-05-03, 03:02 PM Page 6, Table 1-1 states that the Deep Imaskari have a +2 Int and -2 Str, while on page 9, under "Deep Imaskari Racial Traits" says +2 Inteligence and +2 Dexterity.
Being that the description on page 9 says that the Deep Imaskari are not as agile as other humanoid races, I suppose the error is on Table 1-1.

Yeah i saw that in mine though i think it says -2 dex, i go with the +2 int, -2 dex.
Herr Doktor
12-15-03, 10:40 AM How about the ECL for the Orog?

They're an ECL 2 (LA 2 no HD) in Races of Faerūn, but Underdark lists them as being ECL 3 without including any sort of updated stats or anything. Is this a mistake, or are Orog really ECL 3?
Freakboy
12-15-03, 06:54 PM Rich Baker answered this in the ask the core rulebooks authors thread. He said it is supposed to be ECL 3. The ECL 2 was a misprint. Hope that helps.
Iakhovas
12-15-03, 07:05 PM Mr. Baker said "I'm pretty sure that Races of Faerun is right on this one. Sorry for the confusion." So that would imply ECL 2 is correct.
Freakboy
12-15-03, 07:10 PM Oops sorry about that..... Went back and look and I just misread it part of his answer.... :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kuje31 10-24-03, 03:12 AM	I didn't see a errata thread for Underdark so I started one. So far I caught this. Page 121, Avolakias: Thankfully few in number, the avolokias (My addition: I think it should be avolakias) are master necromancers and shapechangers. In its true form, an avolakia is a 10-foot monstrosity combining insectile, octopoid, and wormlike features. Devoted to the elevation of deities of decay and undeath (including Ghaunadaur and Velsharoon, among others), an avolokia (My addition: Again I think it should be avolakia) nest is surrounded by a shambling army of undead under the monsters' control. Avolakias occasionally ally with aboleths or mind flayers, but they regard humanoids of any sort as nothing more than fodder for creating more undead.
zootcat 10-24-03, 02:36 PM	Monster Manual 3.5 gives the derro level adjustment at +2. Underdark gives it at +1 (page 19, Table 1—2). Thus the ECL should be 5—not 4 (page 20). If I missed something, please set me straight.
Kuje31 10-25-03, 03:34 PM	Bump any one else find any errors?
Herr Doktor 10-25-03, 04:53 PM	Underdark IS out, correct? I must get it today, must, yes... Good players with cars willing to go and make the purchase for me.
Kuje31 10-25-03, 05:24 PM	Originally posted by Herr Doktor Underdark IS out, correct? I must get it today, must, yes... Good players with cars willing to go and make the purchase for me. Yeah, I got mine last week. :)
Gellion 10-25-03, 05:56 PM	Sweet, it has Avolokia.:bounce:
Kuje31 10-25-03, 05:57 PM	Originally posted by Gellion Sweet, it has Avolokia.:bounce: Or is it Avolakia? :) HEY NO BOUNCING, sorry old joke between me and Nightfall.
Gellion 10-25-03, 06:19 PM	Originally posted by Kuje31 Or is it Avolakia? :) HEY NO BOUNCING, sorry old joke between me and Nightfall. I believe in the MM2 it is spelt Avalokia. Oh wait, ahhh my head hurts.:bigeyes:
Kuje31 10-25-03, 06:21 PM	Originally posted by Gellion I believe in the MM2 it is spelt Avalokia. Oh wait, ahhh my head hurts.:bigeyes: Great so it has three different spellings then? :) No actually its Avolakia in MM2. :)
Damador 10-26-03, 03:34 AM	Originally posted by zootcat Monster Manual 3.5 gives the derro level adjustment at +2. Underdark gives it at +1 (page 19, Table 1�2). Thus the ECL should be 5�not 4 (page 20). If I missed something, please set me straight. no - the newest books supersedes the oldest - MM3.5 is older than UD so UD correct the MM3.5
Iakhovas 10-26-03, 09:19 AM	Great. The old Lolth / Lloth debate. IMHO, when it comes to fluffy stuff like NPC names, history, etc... the original source should be canon. There is seldom a good reason to justify a NPC name change. More likely than not, the new designer simply misspelled it. Or in the case of a historical change, they didn't do proper research and simply got the facts wrong.
ruadan 10-26-03, 12:12 PM	On pg. 70 in the description of the Xorn Movement armor it refers to the "xorn movement spell (see Chapter 4). I did not find that spell in chapter 4 of UD but it can be found in the Manual of the Planes.
Another Gnome 10-26-03, 01:30 PM	no - the newest books supersedes the oldest - MM3.5 is older than UD so UD correct the MM3.5 An accessory book never updates a core rule, however, unless explicitly stated so (such as was the case in the class accessory books for some spells and feats). Unless the level adjustment in UD is specifically said to replace the MM, it's either setting-specific or simply wrong (more likely).
BobROE 10-26-03, 08:48 PM	I don't have the book infront of me and so can't give a page reference but there was an NPC in the book that had ranger levels and seemed to be getting d10's for those levels. They should be d8's (unless all the info I've been getting about the 3.5 ranger has been wrong)
Sariel Rahab 10-27-03, 09:22 AM	I read somewhere, might have been on the Richard Baker thread, but not quite sure, that Derro now, at least in the realms, only count as +1. On top of that is the racial HD, of course. So Underdark should be correct.
Another Gnome 10-27-03, 01:51 PM	I read somewhere, might have been on the Richard Baker thread, but not quite sure, that Derro now, at least in the realms, only count as +1. Mr. Baker was referring to duergar in that post, not derro.
Kuje31 10-29-03, 12:35 AM	Bump, any one else find any more errors?
Alisttair 10-29-03, 11:42 AM	They seem to have put a coffee stain on page 8.... oh no wait, that is my coffee on my copy :eek:
Herr Doktor 10-29-03, 11:56 AM	Originally posted by Alisttair oh no wait, that is my coffee on my copy :eek: That's gotta hurt! My 3rd Edition PHB had a nice blueberry stain on the rogue class page, and water damage from rain... Not to mention none of my player's had one and they were holding out for the 3.5 one so it accumulated quite a bit of folds and structural damage...
Doran Kess 10-29-03, 03:39 PM	So, sounds like a really well-done book then. (Cause I for one havn't found a single thing wrong with it yet!) :D
Alisttair 10-29-03, 05:55 PM	Originally posted by Herr Doktor That's gotta hurt! My 3rd Edition PHB had a nice blueberry stain on the rogue class page, and water damage from rain... Not to mention none of my player's had one and they were holding out for the 3.5 one so it accumulated quite a bit of folds and structural damage... Even worse, i spilled a bottle of Coke on my friend's 3.0 Player's Handbook. Lucky for me he was getting the 3.5 in a few months afterwards :P
Gez 10-29-03, 08:17 PM	Ah, the Avolakia spelling debate... It's very confusing, because it is Avolakia in Dragon #285, but it is Avolakia in the MM2 and Avolakia in its Underdark entry, with Avolokia in the description. Very, very confusing. I propose we all use the "ugly hentai worm" spelling instead. http://www.nutkinland.com/images/smilies/smiles/mischief.gif
PEBKAC 10-29-03, 10:32 PM	Page 138 in the Deep Imaskar entry. Under authority figures it lists High Lord Planner Illis Khendarhine as being sorcer 4/wizard 20/archamge 6. Five level prestige classes do not scale past level 5 according to the Epic Level Handbook.
Iakhovas 11-15-03, 02:46 PM	Hmmm. The history of the city of Fluvenilstra, found on page 150 says the city was attacked and razed by derro in 1470 DR. I can only assume they meant 1370 DR as 1470 would be a date far in the future.
Jem Purplefeather 11-15-03, 06:03 PM	Tsk...tsk...tsk...Wizards of the Coast...we have to work on our errors...now don't we?
thalious 11-15-03, 06:17 PM	Originally posted by Iakhovas Hmmm. The history of the city of Fluvenilstra, found on page 150 says the city was attacked and razed by derro in 1470 DR. I can only assume they meant 1370 DR as 1470 would be a date far in the future. Maybe the book is doing some predictitions now.
Ill 11-15-03, 08:22 PM	Originally posted by thalious Maybe the book is doing some predictitions now. Can't decide whether or not that was a serious answer...
thalious 11-15-03, 08:25 PM	I was being a smartmule! :angel:
Ill 11-15-03, 08:30 PM	Kind of guessed that. :D
urloki 11-19-03, 12:14 PM	Originally posted by BobROE I don't have the book infront of me and so can't give a page reference but there was an NPC in the book that had ranger levels and seemed to be getting d10's for those levels. They should be d8's (unless all the info I've been getting about the 3.5 ranger has been wrong) But the cavelord doesn't get any spells or favored enemies. It doesn't stack any abilities with ranger AFAIK. Some are redundant, so I guess the intent is to get out of ranger and in to that as fast as possible.
Sir Falke 11-19-03, 12:24 PM	Page 6, Table 1-1 states that the Deep Imaskari have a +2 Int and -2 Str, while on page 9, under "Deep Imaskari Racial Traits" says +2 Inteligence and -2 Dexterity. Being that the description on page 9 says that the Deep Imaskari are not as agile as other humanoid races, I suppose the error is on Table 1-1.
Crypt King 12-05-03, 02:14 PM	Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book?
Crypt King 12-05-03, 02:14 PM	Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book?
Kuje31 12-05-03, 02:52 PM	Originally posted by Crypt King Derro, um I can't seem to find them in the 3.5 mm, they are in the 3.0 but where are they in the 3.5 book? Check page 49 in the 3.5 MM. :)
Kezghan 12-05-03, 03:02 PM	Page 6, Table 1-1 states that the Deep Imaskari have a +2 Int and -2 Str, while on page 9, under "Deep Imaskari Racial Traits" says +2 Inteligence and +2 Dexterity. Being that the description on page 9 says that the Deep Imaskari are not as agile as other humanoid races, I suppose the error is on Table 1-1. Yeah i saw that in mine though i think it says -2 dex, i go with the +2 int, -2 dex.
Herr Doktor 12-15-03, 10:40 AM	How about the ECL for the Orog? They're an ECL 2 (LA 2 no HD) in Races of Faerūn, but Underdark lists them as being ECL 3 without including any sort of updated stats or anything. Is this a mistake, or are Orog really ECL 3?
Freakboy 12-15-03, 06:54 PM	Rich Baker answered this in the ask the core rulebooks authors thread. He said it is supposed to be ECL 3. The ECL 2 was a misprint. Hope that helps.
Iakhovas 12-15-03, 07:05 PM	Mr. Baker said "I'm pretty sure that Races of Faerun is right on this one. Sorry for the confusion." So that would imply ECL 2 is correct.
Freakboy 12-15-03, 07:10 PM	Oops sorry about that..... Went back and look and I just misread it part of his answer.... :D