Undermountain 3.5? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Undermountain 3.5? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Triton
09-03-03, 06:29 PM FR 1e Undermountain was a build yourself site. FR 2e Undermoutain was the defacto dungeon. I think everyone campaigned there at least once.
What about Undermountain 3.5e?
Is there going to be one?
Should there be one?
What should be in the 3.5e Undermountain?
What would change?:fight!:
Iakhovas
09-03-03, 07:24 PM Personally, I would vote against an Undermountain 3.5. There are plenty of other dungeons in the Realms that could be fleshed out before re-releasing something we already have.
TinySilverChalice
09-03-03, 07:48 PM Funny, my group is currently running through undermountain... our fourth party to do so. Since most monsters from 2ed are available in 3.0/3.5, there's not much work for the DM. We love it, but we're just chaotic like that. :P

Please do it again! YAY!
Aumer of Waterdeep
09-03-03, 08:06 PM I would love to see a remake of Undermountain, with all of the new tricks and traps that 3.5 has to offer!!
Triton
09-03-03, 08:56 PM It's not republishing. Undermountain was always suppose to be a dynamic environment. Hallastar always changed things. It was one of the fundamentals of the dungeon. No maps were reliable, no experiences were canon, no two trips the same.
Hallastar has since been kidnapped, sent to Hell on a diefic mission, and been exposed to the power of the dark weave. Do you seriously think this does not change how Undermoutain is?
So is it enough to revisit Undermountain?:devil:
Herr Doktor
09-03-03, 09:36 PM Originally posted by Triton
So is it enough to revisit Undermountain?:devil:
I think so.

Anyway... it's going to happen. Rich Baker mentioned that a Waterdeep and Undermountain sourcebook would indeed appear on storeshelves everywhere in the not-so-distant future.

I believe it was on the Ask Rich Baker thread, perhaps the one on the old boards, I can't remember.
Dargoth
09-03-03, 09:44 PM I wouldnt mind seeing a "Dungeon" book

Ideally the book would be split in 2 and detail 2 Dungeons in diffrent parts of Faerun

For example "Dungeon" Book 1 would Have Undermountain and the Ruins of Myth Drannor, 2 dungeons far apart from each other this would make the book useful to more DMs a plain Undermountain source book would really only be useful for those running campaigns in Western Faerun.

As for Undermountain, I wouldnt be suprised if the Shades take an interest in Skullport, it is after all an Old Netherese outpost
cwslyclgh
09-03-03, 10:03 PM For example "Dungeon" Book 1 would Have Undermountain and the Ruins of Myth Drannor, 2 dungeons far apart from each other this would make the book useful to more DMs a plain Undermountain source book would really only be useful for those running campaigns in Western Faerun. using those two would also be appropriate since they are connected by at least 1 portal
Herr Doktor
09-03-03, 10:44 PM I'd love to see products like that ... but I think those would count as adventure modules, and WoTC seems to have given up on any more realms based products of that sort.
Faraer
09-04-03, 11:45 AM In order to actually advance the state of Realmslore -- and to sell as more than a rules upgrade to those with the original -- a new Undermountain product would have the published three levels and more levels too -- the 9 main levels and 12 sublevels are fully developed though unpublished. (The spurious levels in the second Undermountain box are minor sublevels of some kind.)

But I'd like to see the Dungeon of the Crypt as much -- Waterdeep's other dungeon complex, which is at least partially developed as well.

Rich Baker didn't say a Waterdeep+Undermountain was happening, just that it was possible. That would take a 600-page book, of course.
Triton
09-04-03, 11:51 AM What I had in mind was similar to what was published in 2e. First a book Undermoutain. It would revisit Halastar and give him his 3.5 epic stats post Elminster in Hell. Halastar is now sane thanks to Mystra, who also revealed that Halastar is at least partially a Chosen of Mystra. The book should also restate Halastar's apprentices: Nandel Greenward, Trobriand, Muiral, Arcturia, any others. The book should also give us an idea of Halastar's new goals beside the destruction of the Twisted Rune. A sane Halastar is quite different from the "Crazed Mage of Undermountain".
After this they could be nice enough to publish some Undermountain modules, if appropriate.:D
Kuje31
09-04-03, 12:07 PM Originally posted by Triton
What I had in mind was similar to what was published in 2e. First a book Undermoutain. It would revisit Halastar and give him his 3.5 epic stats post Elminster in Hell. Halastar is now sane thanks to Mystra, who also revealed that Halastar is at least partially a Chosen of Mystra. The book should also restate Halastar's apprentices: Nandel Greenward, Trobriand, Muiral, Arcturia, any others. The book should also give us an idea of Halastar's new goals beside the destruction of the Twisted Rune. A sane Halastar is quite different from the "Crazed Mage of Undermountain".
After this they could be nice enough to publish some Undermountain modules, if appropriate.:D

Actually at this years Gencon Ed has said that Halaster is not and has nothing to do with being a Chosen.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Triton 09-03-03, 06:29 PM	FR 1e Undermountain was a build yourself site. FR 2e Undermoutain was the defacto dungeon. I think everyone campaigned there at least once. What about Undermountain 3.5e? Is there going to be one? Should there be one? What should be in the 3.5e Undermountain? What would change?:fight!:
Iakhovas 09-03-03, 07:24 PM	Personally, I would vote against an Undermountain 3.5. There are plenty of other dungeons in the Realms that could be fleshed out before re-releasing something we already have.
TinySilverChalice 09-03-03, 07:48 PM	Funny, my group is currently running through undermountain... our fourth party to do so. Since most monsters from 2ed are available in 3.0/3.5, there's not much work for the DM. We love it, but we're just chaotic like that. :P Please do it again! YAY!
Aumer of Waterdeep 09-03-03, 08:06 PM	I would love to see a remake of Undermountain, with all of the new tricks and traps that 3.5 has to offer!!
Triton 09-03-03, 08:56 PM	It's not republishing. Undermountain was always suppose to be a dynamic environment. Hallastar always changed things. It was one of the fundamentals of the dungeon. No maps were reliable, no experiences were canon, no two trips the same. Hallastar has since been kidnapped, sent to Hell on a diefic mission, and been exposed to the power of the dark weave. Do you seriously think this does not change how Undermoutain is? So is it enough to revisit Undermountain?:devil:
Herr Doktor 09-03-03, 09:36 PM	Originally posted by Triton So is it enough to revisit Undermountain?:devil: I think so. Anyway... it's going to happen. Rich Baker mentioned that a Waterdeep and Undermountain sourcebook would indeed appear on storeshelves everywhere in the not-so-distant future. I believe it was on the Ask Rich Baker thread, perhaps the one on the old boards, I can't remember.
Dargoth 09-03-03, 09:44 PM	I wouldnt mind seeing a "Dungeon" book Ideally the book would be split in 2 and detail 2 Dungeons in diffrent parts of Faerun For example "Dungeon" Book 1 would Have Undermountain and the Ruins of Myth Drannor, 2 dungeons far apart from each other this would make the book useful to more DMs a plain Undermountain source book would really only be useful for those running campaigns in Western Faerun. As for Undermountain, I wouldnt be suprised if the Shades take an interest in Skullport, it is after all an Old Netherese outpost
cwslyclgh 09-03-03, 10:03 PM	For example "Dungeon" Book 1 would Have Undermountain and the Ruins of Myth Drannor, 2 dungeons far apart from each other this would make the book useful to more DMs a plain Undermountain source book would really only be useful for those running campaigns in Western Faerun. using those two would also be appropriate since they are connected by at least 1 portal
Herr Doktor 09-03-03, 10:44 PM	I'd love to see products like that ... but I think those would count as adventure modules, and WoTC seems to have given up on any more realms based products of that sort.
Faraer 09-04-03, 11:45 AM	In order to actually advance the state of Realmslore -- and to sell as more than a rules upgrade to those with the original -- a new Undermountain product would have the published three levels and more levels too -- the 9 main levels and 12 sublevels are fully developed though unpublished. (The spurious levels in the second Undermountain box are minor sublevels of some kind.) But I'd like to see the Dungeon of the Crypt as much -- Waterdeep's other dungeon complex, which is at least partially developed as well. Rich Baker didn't say a Waterdeep+Undermountain was happening, just that it was possible. That would take a 600-page book, of course.
Triton 09-04-03, 11:51 AM	What I had in mind was similar to what was published in 2e. First a book Undermoutain. It would revisit Halastar and give him his 3.5 epic stats post Elminster in Hell. Halastar is now sane thanks to Mystra, who also revealed that Halastar is at least partially a Chosen of Mystra. The book should also restate Halastar's apprentices: Nandel Greenward, Trobriand, Muiral, Arcturia, any others. The book should also give us an idea of Halastar's new goals beside the destruction of the Twisted Rune. A sane Halastar is quite different from the "Crazed Mage of Undermountain". After this they could be nice enough to publish some Undermountain modules, if appropriate.:D
Kuje31 09-04-03, 12:07 PM	Originally posted by Triton What I had in mind was similar to what was published in 2e. First a book Undermoutain. It would revisit Halastar and give him his 3.5 epic stats post Elminster in Hell. Halastar is now sane thanks to Mystra, who also revealed that Halastar is at least partially a Chosen of Mystra. The book should also restate Halastar's apprentices: Nandel Greenward, Trobriand, Muiral, Arcturia, any others. The book should also give us an idea of Halastar's new goals beside the destruction of the Twisted Rune. A sane Halastar is quite different from the "Crazed Mage of Undermountain". After this they could be nice enough to publish some Undermountain modules, if appropriate.:D Actually at this years Gencon Ed has said that Halaster is not and has nothing to do with being a Chosen.