Weapon Finesse with longsword anywhere? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Weapon Finesse with longsword anywhere? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kiev of Icewind Dale
09-10-05, 02:40 AM Does anyone know where to find or if there even is a weapon finesse feat that deals with longswords?
Taylir
09-10-05, 03:18 AM Well a longsword is a one-handed melee weapon and weapon finesse requires a light weapon for use. So the base answer would be no. Although you could use a longsword that is one size smaller, thus dropping it to a light weapon, but you would also reduce the damage die too and suffer a penalty to hit.
warlockco
09-10-05, 05:10 AM Does anyone know where to find or if there even is a weapon finesse feat that deals with longswords?

There is a feat, but it is third party.
There might be others, but this is the only one that comes to mind immediately.

Weapon of Choice [Fighter/General]
Your skill with a weapon makes it seem feather-light in your hands.
Source: Plot & Poison by Green Ronin.
Prerequisite: Weapon Proficiency (selected weapon), Weapon Focus (selected weapon), base Attack bonus +4.
Benefit: Choose one-weapon of a size category equal to your own, such as a Longsword (Medium) for a Drow (Medium). You treat this weapon as a light weapon for purposes of Two-Weapon Fighting, and can use Weapon Finesse with it. You can even use it in a grapple or when swallowed by a creature.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new weapon.
Silverpanther
09-10-05, 07:48 AM WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin:

AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer:

and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh
Razz
09-10-05, 09:06 AM I hate 3rd party stuff, yuck...

Well, that's besides the point of the thread. If you want a more ~official~ source you can use an elven thinblade, does longsword damage, has a better critical (18-20/x2) and you can use Weapon Finesse with it. It's an exotic weapon, though.
Zanan
09-10-05, 03:15 PM Well, as Warlockco wrote, the sourfce is Plot & Poison, a Green Ronin book. This one and its 3,5 adventure companion Dezzavold are quite good readings for drow PC and DM.

Then again, quite a number of more official feats can be found in Complete Warrior and Complete Adventurer, the latter one has a very simple one to fight with e.g. two longswords at the usual -2 penalty each.

Do also check Warlockco's sig for a link to Eric L. Boyd's webiste. It features an article by Tom Costa on various PrC, fighting styles, feats and weapons. very interesting indeed.
warlockco
09-10-05, 10:12 PM WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin:

AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer:

and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh

I wouldn't allow that feat to work for a Bastard Sword, since it is one of those things that falls between Medium/Large, since you need special training to use it one-handed.
Phaerven
09-11-05, 04:41 AM WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin:

AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer:

and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh

Instead of looking for so long, you might as well make those feats you want yourself. It's only third party material.
Razz
09-11-05, 10:33 AM A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome.
warlockco
09-11-05, 03:18 PM A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome.

Does he have spikey blonde hair also? :P
warlockco
09-11-05, 03:22 PM Instead of looking for so long, you might as well make those feats you want yourself. It's only third party material.

Thing is some of the 3rd party material is fairly well balanced, especially the stuff made for 3.5E rules.
I know when I modify a PrC to suit my own tastes, I often have to becareful of the changes I make, because they often become slightly unbalanced.

Also you shouldn't knock 3rd party material.
Eric L Boyd and Thomas M Costa have done several .pdfs for the 3.x Realms that isn't officially recognized by WotC and thus is considered 3rd party material.
Razz
09-11-05, 10:51 PM Does he have spikey blonde hair also? :P

LOL

He does love Cloud as an FF character, but had no intention nor influence in making his paladin. It was just one of those spontaneous ideas he had for his character when he began reaching high levels, storyline-wise. His character is young (16, well now 17) and with high charisma leads to a rather heavily-prideful-of-his-deity-I'm-young-and-unstoppable outlook on life. To represent his enormous faith and pride in his work as a Paladin of Helm, he compensated it with the largest favored weapon of the deity he could legally wield.

Thus, a nightmare was born LOL (unstoppable charge from the Cavalier PrC and keen&bless weapon on the sucker...Evil's future began to appear very stormy...heh)
Phaerven
09-12-05, 05:30 AM Thing is some of the 3rd party material is fairly well balanced, especially the stuff made for 3.5E rules.
I know when I modify a PrC to suit my own tastes, I often have to becareful of the changes I make, because they often become slightly unbalanced.

That said feat is from Green Ronin and not some player doesn't make it more or less balanced. I agree that one has to be careful with such things and that goes for 3rd party material as well as for one's own (and some WotC material, too *chuckles*).

Also you shouldn't knock 3rd party material.
Eric L Boyd and Thomas M Costa have done several .pdfs for the 3.x Realms that isn't officially recognized by WotC and thus is considered 3rd party material.

Agreed.
Silverpanther
09-12-05, 10:23 AM guys WHAT is 3rd party material?
Dielzen
09-12-05, 12:07 PM Anything not created by WotC/Hasbro
Razz
09-12-05, 12:11 PM guys WHAT is 3rd party material?

3rd party material is gaming material published by RPG companies other than Wizards of the Coast. It's not considered official to the D&D game by WotC, any questions you have or other issues with the material cannot be taken up by WotC, and such material isn't really as trustworthy as WotC material is (well, in my case that is).

But don't let that stop you from purchasing 3rd party material. If you want more stuff for your games, go for it. I, for one, refuse to acknowledge anything but WotC material in my D&D games. Other RPG games, however, it wouldn't bother me.
Ront Iron-Roar
09-12-05, 06:49 PM A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome.
You do know that a Huge bastard sword is a fullblade right?

You could take less feats that way.

Oh, and its good to seeya on here Kiev.
warlockco
09-12-05, 10:40 PM You do know that a Huge bastard sword is a fullblade right?

You could take less feats that way.

Oh, and its good to seeya on here Kiev.

But then all his Bastard Sword feats wouldn't work with a Fullblade. ;)
Ront Iron-Roar
09-13-05, 07:02 PM Well, I'm working with the equivalency chart.

It may be a bastard sword to a huge creature but, not to him. Its a fullblade.
warlockco
09-14-05, 03:42 AM LOL

He does love Cloud as an FF character, but had no intention nor influence in making his paladin. It was just one of those spontaneous ideas he had for his character when he began reaching high levels, storyline-wise. His character is young (16, well now 17) and with high charisma leads to a rather heavily-prideful-of-his-deity-I'm-young-and-unstoppable outlook on life. To represent his enormous faith and pride in his work as a Paladin of Helm, he compensated it with the largest favored weapon of the deity he could legally wield.

Thus, a nightmare was born LOL (unstoppable charge from the Cavalier PrC and keen&bless weapon on the sucker...Evil's future began to appear very stormy...heh)

Wait til he sees what Cloud does in FF7 Advent Children :D
Holding one HUGE sword wasn't enough for him :D So want his motorcyle. :D
I'll stop there with the spoilers. :D
Silverpanther
09-16-05, 04:03 PM not allow it with a bastard sword? HA, per definition will it work with every medium sized weapon for a medium sized char... and with the exotic weapon feat a bastard sword IS a medium sized weapon :D

check, and mate :D

mmh...

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why do i wanted to tell you that :confused: and why did i care :plotting: well, who knows, maybe i will search a similar feat :P

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kiev of Icewind Dale 09-10-05, 02:40 AM	Does anyone know where to find or if there even is a weapon finesse feat that deals with longswords?
Taylir 09-10-05, 03:18 AM	Well a longsword is a one-handed melee weapon and weapon finesse requires a light weapon for use. So the base answer would be no. Although you could use a longsword that is one size smaller, thus dropping it to a light weapon, but you would also reduce the damage die too and suffer a penalty to hit.
warlockco 09-10-05, 05:10 AM	Does anyone know where to find or if there even is a weapon finesse feat that deals with longswords? There is a feat, but it is third party. There might be others, but this is the only one that comes to mind immediately. Weapon of Choice [Fighter/General] Your skill with a weapon makes it seem feather-light in your hands. Source: Plot & Poison by Green Ronin. Prerequisite: Weapon Proficiency (selected weapon), Weapon Focus (selected weapon), base Attack bonus +4. Benefit: Choose one-weapon of a size category equal to your own, such as a Longsword (Medium) for a Drow (Medium). You treat this weapon as a light weapon for purposes of Two-Weapon Fighting, and can use Weapon Finesse with it. You can even use it in a grapple or when swallowed by a creature. Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new weapon.
Silverpanther 09-10-05, 07:48 AM	WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin: AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer: and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh
Razz 09-10-05, 09:06 AM	I hate 3rd party stuff, yuck... Well, that's besides the point of the thread. If you want a more ~official~ source you can use an elven thinblade, does longsword damage, has a better critical (18-20/x2) and you can use Weapon Finesse with it. It's an exotic weapon, though.
Zanan 09-10-05, 03:15 PM	Well, as Warlockco wrote, the sourfce is Plot & Poison, a Green Ronin book. This one and its 3,5 adventure companion Dezzavold are quite good readings for drow PC and DM. Then again, quite a number of more official feats can be found in Complete Warrior and Complete Adventurer, the latter one has a very simple one to fight with e.g. two longswords at the usual -2 penalty each. Do also check Warlockco's sig for a link to Eric L. Boyd's webiste. It features an article by Tom Costa on various PrC, fighting styles, feats and weapons. very interesting indeed.
warlockco 09-10-05, 10:12 PM	WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin: AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer: and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh I wouldn't allow that feat to work for a Bastard Sword, since it is one of those things that falls between Medium/Large, since you need special training to use it one-handed.
Phaerven 09-11-05, 04:41 AM	WHERE IS THAT SOURCE :dancin: AND ARE THERE MORE FEATS LIKE THAT?! THAT´S AMAZING AND EXACTLY WHAT I´VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR SO LONG :cheer: and since a bastard sword is a medium sized wepon... :evillaugh Instead of looking for so long, you might as well make those feats you want yourself. It's only third party material.
Razz 09-11-05, 10:33 AM	A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome.
warlockco 09-11-05, 03:18 PM	A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome. Does he have spikey blonde hair also? :P
warlockco 09-11-05, 03:22 PM	Instead of looking for so long, you might as well make those feats you want yourself. It's only third party material. Thing is some of the 3rd party material is fairly well balanced, especially the stuff made for 3.5E rules. I know when I modify a PrC to suit my own tastes, I often have to becareful of the changes I make, because they often become slightly unbalanced. Also you shouldn't knock 3rd party material. Eric L Boyd and Thomas M Costa have done several .pdfs for the 3.x Realms that isn't officially recognized by WotC and thus is considered 3rd party material.
Razz 09-11-05, 10:51 PM	Does he have spikey blonde hair also? :P LOL He does love Cloud as an FF character, but had no intention nor influence in making his paladin. It was just one of those spontaneous ideas he had for his character when he began reaching high levels, storyline-wise. His character is young (16, well now 17) and with high charisma leads to a rather heavily-prideful-of-his-deity-I'm-young-and-unstoppable outlook on life. To represent his enormous faith and pride in his work as a Paladin of Helm, he compensated it with the largest favored weapon of the deity he could legally wield. Thus, a nightmare was born LOL (unstoppable charge from the Cavalier PrC and keen&bless weapon on the sucker...Evil's future began to appear very stormy...heh)
Phaerven 09-12-05, 05:30 AM	Thing is some of the 3rd party material is fairly well balanced, especially the stuff made for 3.5E rules. I know when I modify a PrC to suit my own tastes, I often have to becareful of the changes I make, because they often become slightly unbalanced. That said feat is from Green Ronin and not some player doesn't make it more or less balanced. I agree that one has to be careful with such things and that goes for 3rd party material as well as for one's own (and some WotC material, too chuckles). Also you shouldn't knock 3rd party material. Eric L Boyd and Thomas M Costa have done several .pdfs for the 3.x Realms that isn't officially recognized by WotC and thus is considered 3rd party material. Agreed.
Silverpanther 09-12-05, 10:23 AM	guys WHAT is 3rd party material?
Dielzen 09-12-05, 12:07 PM	Anything not created by WotC/Hasbro
Razz 09-12-05, 12:11 PM	guys WHAT is 3rd party material? 3rd party material is gaming material published by RPG companies other than Wizards of the Coast. It's not considered official to the D&D game by WotC, any questions you have or other issues with the material cannot be taken up by WotC, and such material isn't really as trustworthy as WotC material is (well, in my case that is). But don't let that stop you from purchasing 3rd party material. If you want more stuff for your games, go for it. I, for one, refuse to acknowledge anything but WotC material in my D&D games. Other RPG games, however, it wouldn't bother me.
Ront Iron-Roar 09-12-05, 06:49 PM	A friend of mine has an epic paladin of Helm wielding a Huge bastard sword. It's cool (so anime-like, we love it). He took Monkey Grip, Wield Oversized Weapon, and has Exotic Weapon Proficiency with it. Of course, he has a -2 penalty to attack and has to wield it as a two-handed weapon, but it's still awesome. You do know that a Huge bastard sword is a fullblade right? You could take less feats that way. Oh, and its good to seeya on here Kiev.
warlockco 09-12-05, 10:40 PM	You do know that a Huge bastard sword is a fullblade right? You could take less feats that way. Oh, and its good to seeya on here Kiev. But then all his Bastard Sword feats wouldn't work with a Fullblade. ;)
Ront Iron-Roar 09-13-05, 07:02 PM	Well, I'm working with the equivalency chart. It may be a bastard sword to a huge creature but, not to him. Its a fullblade.
warlockco 09-14-05, 03:42 AM	LOL He does love Cloud as an FF character, but had no intention nor influence in making his paladin. It was just one of those spontaneous ideas he had for his character when he began reaching high levels, storyline-wise. His character is young (16, well now 17) and with high charisma leads to a rather heavily-prideful-of-his-deity-I'm-young-and-unstoppable outlook on life. To represent his enormous faith and pride in his work as a Paladin of Helm, he compensated it with the largest favored weapon of the deity he could legally wield. Thus, a nightmare was born LOL (unstoppable charge from the Cavalier PrC and keen&bless weapon on the sucker...Evil's future began to appear very stormy...heh) Wait til he sees what Cloud does in FF7 Advent Children :D Holding one HUGE sword wasn't enough for him :D So want his motorcyle. :D I'll stop there with the spoilers. :D
Silverpanther 09-16-05, 04:03 PM	not allow it with a bastard sword? HA, per definition will it work with every medium sized weapon for a medium sized char... and with the exotic weapon feat a bastard sword IS a medium sized weapon :D check, and mate :D mmh... . .. ... why do i wanted to tell you that :confused: and why did i care :plotting: well, who knows, maybe i will search a similar feat :P