What cities were recently destroyed in the novels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

What cities were recently destroyed in the novels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Emirikol
08-19-07, 06:40 PM What cities were recently destroyed in the novels? I've got some ideas for a game I'm in.

Thanks in advance,

Jay
PharaunMizzrym
08-20-07, 01:15 AM I believe some small ones along the dragon coast were destroyed.
Lord Karsus
08-20-07, 03:59 PM -Tilverton
-Ched Nesad
-Deep Imaskar
PharaunMizzrym
08-20-07, 10:12 PM When was Deep Imaskar destroyed? How many of the Imaskar are left?
Lord Karsus
08-21-07, 08:39 AM When was Deep Imaskar destroyed? How many of the Imaskar are left?

-The novel Darkvision. As for the exact number of Deep Imaskari still living, it says not, but does hint that their numbers have been very ravaged.
PharaunMizzrym
08-22-07, 04:36 AM Thanks.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-22-07, 03:54 PM Actually, I read Darkvision, and while Deep Imaskar is certainly decimated, I don't recall reading that it was out-and-out destroyed. Surprisingly, the book doesn't tell the reader much--we learn of that event second-hand.

Of course, it also depends on one's definition of "destroyed".
Lord Karsus
08-22-07, 11:47 PM Actually, I read Darkvision, and while Deep Imaskar is certainly decimated, I don't recall reading that it was out-and-out destroyed. Surprisingly, the book doesn't tell the reader much--we learn of that event second-hand.

Of course, it also depends on one's definition of "destroyed".

-"The wide avenues, the tenement pillars, library spires...burning. Silhouetted in the flames, dark creatures moved to and fro, limed with violet malevolence." (Darkvision, Pg. 290)

-"All she had to do was maintain her plug of force, and Deep Imaskar...what remained of it...would be saved" (Darkvision, Pg. 296)

-"The city behind the Great Seal would be rebuilt, of course." (Darkvision, Pg. 310)

-The population was ravaged, and much of the city destroyed. Enough was left behind to slowly rebuild, and to (eventually) begin settling High Imaskar.
MarkusTay63
08-23-07, 01:55 AM Rhymanthiin
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-23-07, 02:55 PM -The population was ravaged, and much of the city destroyed. Enough was left behind to slowly rebuild, and to (eventually) begin settling High Imaskar.

See, when I think "destroyed", I think "totally wiped out".
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-23-07, 02:55 PM Rhymanthiin

Uh, I could be wrong, but isn't that a case of the opposite?
MarkusTay63
08-23-07, 03:39 PM Uh, I could be wrong, but isn't that a case of the opposite?IMHO, that city was 'ruined' the day it appeared. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-23-07, 04:17 PM IMHO, that city was 'ruined' the day it appeared. ;)

Ah, I see.
NoxLupus
08-23-07, 04:46 PM While not totally destroyed, Skull Port has seen better days after the events of the Erevis Cale trilogy. I seem to recall that the skulls themselves were destroyed and the cities Mythal-generated support to its ceiling gave out in parts of the city.

As per the recent supplement, Shadowdale is in ruins as well.
MarkusTay63
08-23-07, 04:49 PM Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused:
Lord Karsus
08-24-07, 10:15 AM Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused:

-Theoretically, yes.
SirUrza
08-25-07, 12:45 PM Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused:

Nope, outside of that trilogy, the dragon rage is mentioned in 2 sentences in 2 other novels and that's about it. The neo-RSE that Wizards has been spewing these last few years haven't been so realms shaking.
PharaunMizzrym
08-26-07, 06:04 PM I think they would still be rebuilding, Wizards just likes to gloss over it. Get to their next Realms shaking event. So who destroyed Deep Imaskar? Skullport? Shadowdale? Has anyone written anything about the Kir-Lanans? Im surprised they haven't caused lots of problems in the Realms.
Calmar
08-26-07, 07:25 PM I a glad about every plot hook that's actually left to the DMs to use...
MarkusTay63
08-26-07, 08:19 PM Both of them? ;)
BadCatMan
08-27-07, 12:58 AM I reckon Gond is behind all city-destroying RSEs, so that all the church-affiliated (ie. union) construction companies can make fat profits off the rebuilding efforts, while making all other gods and magics look bad.

It's true, he's up to something. Check out the Great Spire of the Ice Sea, you'll see what I mean. This'll be the 4e RSE, mark my words.
MarkusTay63
08-27-07, 12:24 PM I have him pegged as an ancient Gnoll deity, back when they ruled much of Faerūn (-30K to -25k DR).

Their empire was massive, and covered lands from Kara-Tur all the way to the Lake of Steam, from the far north down to the Shining south.

My own spin on things -
They controlled so much because they were HIGHLY civilized, and used sophisticated technology. In other words, they had guns, and their whole civilization was roughly at a tech level equivalent to our world of the mid-1800's. Either through an RSE, the will of the gods or Ao, or all three, Gunpowder became non-functional in Realmspace, along with any tech involving electricity. The worship of Gonrugda, the Gnoll god of invention, fell from prominence amongst the Gnolls. Some say that Gorellik himself is responsible for the fall of Gonrugda out of jealousy - unfortunetly his plan to re-establish himself as the premiere power among the Gnolls failed, because Yeenoghu quickly moved in to fill the gap left by Gondrugda. For a time, the Gnoll god of invention wandered greatly diminished (from a Greater power to that of a demi-god). Eventually, he discovered the Gnomes (he has a thing for the silent "G", what can I say?), and became known to them as Nebelun. After re-attaining Lesser God status through Gnomish worship, he killed and absorbed a power named Goibne, the smith-god of the early Talfiric people. Through Goibne's former worshippers, he developed into the power known today as Gond.
In this way, we finally get a god that started out in a monstrous pantheon - after all, at least one of them should have moved into the Faerūnian Pantheon at some point, and the Gnolls had a great civilization once so they are the obvious choice.

@BadCatMan - I could have sworn there was new, updated info on that island somewhere, but now I can't find it.
Suin Bahhar
08-27-07, 09:36 PM Gnolls had a civilization? I thought it was Hobgoblins.
Dark Wizard
08-28-07, 12:27 AM That's odd, I once had the idea of the Great Spire of the Ice Sea plot hook coming to it's conclusion. The result warmed the region a bit, enough to jump start the rise of the second Raumathari empire (a few more details that this, but that's one of the main causes). At least that was before everyone and their vassal state starting a revival. The risen empire thing might be played out.
Derren S.
08-28-07, 03:50 AM Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused:

Actually not because in the rage novels dragons were portrayed weaker than orcs (dozends of unraged dragons didn't even manage to destroy a monastry). So except for one small unnamed border town there wasn't much destruction.
pedroripoll
08-28-07, 12:12 PM who, why and how deep imaskary was destroyed?
MarkusTay63, where do you get that informationa about gond?

tanks
Lord Karsus
08-28-07, 04:30 PM who, why and how deep imaskary was destroyed?

-It was the Imaskari pseudodivine entity "Pandorym", in the novel Darkvision.
MarkusTay63
08-28-07, 09:57 PM MarkusTay63, where do you get that informationa about gond?

My own spin on things -

Just some ideas I've toyed with in my own campaign -thats why I put it in a spoiler. It's definately NOT canon - far from it in fact.

sorry for the confusion.
Tugrek
08-29-07, 03:57 AM Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same.
msatran
08-29-07, 01:36 PM Swell. What year was this?

I hate that you have to read dozens of bad novels to find out what's going on in the realms.
Lord Karsus
08-29-07, 03:26 PM Swell. What year was this?

I hate that you have to read dozens of bad novels to find out what's going on in the realms.

-I suspect that's Book II of Paul Kemp's Twilight War Trilogy. I think Book II is called Shadowstorm. The events of the Twilight War Trilogy are up to date, and take place in the present.
Shade
08-29-07, 03:55 PM Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same.

Tugrek,

SPOILER TAG, please! The book just came out!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-30-07, 09:37 AM DANGER! SPOILER!
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Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same.

Excuse me, but posting spoilers for a book that just came out is VERY rude and inconsiderate. I just picked up that book. You should have at least warned about spoilers.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
08-30-07, 09:39 AM I think they would still be rebuilding, Wizards just likes to gloss over it. Get to their next Realms shaking event.

No kidding. That's one of many reasons why I think RSEs are usually stupid.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Emirikol 08-19-07, 06:40 PM	What cities were recently destroyed in the novels? I've got some ideas for a game I'm in. Thanks in advance, Jay
PharaunMizzrym 08-20-07, 01:15 AM	I believe some small ones along the dragon coast were destroyed.
Lord Karsus 08-20-07, 03:59 PM	-Tilverton -Ched Nesad -Deep Imaskar
PharaunMizzrym 08-20-07, 10:12 PM	When was Deep Imaskar destroyed? How many of the Imaskar are left?
Lord Karsus 08-21-07, 08:39 AM	When was Deep Imaskar destroyed? How many of the Imaskar are left? -The novel Darkvision. As for the exact number of Deep Imaskari still living, it says not, but does hint that their numbers have been very ravaged.
PharaunMizzrym 08-22-07, 04:36 AM	Thanks.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-22-07, 03:54 PM	Actually, I read Darkvision, and while Deep Imaskar is certainly decimated, I don't recall reading that it was out-and-out destroyed. Surprisingly, the book doesn't tell the reader much--we learn of that event second-hand. Of course, it also depends on one's definition of "destroyed".
Lord Karsus 08-22-07, 11:47 PM	Actually, I read Darkvision, and while Deep Imaskar is certainly decimated, I don't recall reading that it was out-and-out destroyed. Surprisingly, the book doesn't tell the reader much--we learn of that event second-hand. Of course, it also depends on one's definition of "destroyed". -"The wide avenues, the tenement pillars, library spires...burning. Silhouetted in the flames, dark creatures moved to and fro, limed with violet malevolence." (Darkvision, Pg. 290) -"All she had to do was maintain her plug of force, and Deep Imaskar...what remained of it...would be saved" (Darkvision, Pg. 296) -"The city behind the Great Seal would be rebuilt, of course." (Darkvision, Pg. 310) -The population was ravaged, and much of the city destroyed. Enough was left behind to slowly rebuild, and to (eventually) begin settling High Imaskar.
MarkusTay63 08-23-07, 01:55 AM	Rhymanthiin
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-23-07, 02:55 PM	-The population was ravaged, and much of the city destroyed. Enough was left behind to slowly rebuild, and to (eventually) begin settling High Imaskar. See, when I think "destroyed", I think "totally wiped out".
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-23-07, 02:55 PM	Rhymanthiin Uh, I could be wrong, but isn't that a case of the opposite?
MarkusTay63 08-23-07, 03:39 PM	Uh, I could be wrong, but isn't that a case of the opposite?IMHO, that city was 'ruined' the day it appeared. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-23-07, 04:17 PM	IMHO, that city was 'ruined' the day it appeared. ;) Ah, I see.
NoxLupus 08-23-07, 04:46 PM	While not totally destroyed, Skull Port has seen better days after the events of the Erevis Cale trilogy. I seem to recall that the skulls themselves were destroyed and the cities Mythal-generated support to its ceiling gave out in parts of the city. As per the recent supplement, Shadowdale is in ruins as well.
MarkusTay63 08-23-07, 04:49 PM	Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused:
Lord Karsus 08-24-07, 10:15 AM	Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused: -Theoretically, yes.
SirUrza 08-25-07, 12:45 PM	Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused: Nope, outside of that trilogy, the dragon rage is mentioned in 2 sentences in 2 other novels and that's about it. The neo-RSE that Wizards has been spewing these last few years haven't been so realms shaking.
PharaunMizzrym 08-26-07, 06:04 PM	I think they would still be rebuilding, Wizards just likes to gloss over it. Get to their next Realms shaking event. So who destroyed Deep Imaskar? Skullport? Shadowdale? Has anyone written anything about the Kir-Lanans? Im surprised they haven't caused lots of problems in the Realms.
Calmar 08-26-07, 07:25 PM	I a glad about every plot hook that's actually left to the DMs to use...
MarkusTay63 08-26-07, 08:19 PM	Both of them? ;)
BadCatMan 08-27-07, 12:58 AM	I reckon Gond is behind all city-destroying RSEs, so that all the church-affiliated (ie. union) construction companies can make fat profits off the rebuilding efforts, while making all other gods and magics look bad. It's true, he's up to something. Check out the Great Spire of the Ice Sea, you'll see what I mean. This'll be the 4e RSE, mark my words.
MarkusTay63 08-27-07, 12:24 PM	I have him pegged as an ancient Gnoll deity, back when they ruled much of Faerūn (-30K to -25k DR). Their empire was massive, and covered lands from Kara-Tur all the way to the Lake of Steam, from the far north down to the Shining south. My own spin on things - They controlled so much because they were HIGHLY civilized, and used sophisticated technology. In other words, they had guns, and their whole civilization was roughly at a tech level equivalent to our world of the mid-1800's. Either through an RSE, the will of the gods or Ao, or all three, Gunpowder became non-functional in Realmspace, along with any tech involving electricity. The worship of Gonrugda, the Gnoll god of invention, fell from prominence amongst the Gnolls. Some say that Gorellik himself is responsible for the fall of Gonrugda out of jealousy - unfortunetly his plan to re-establish himself as the premiere power among the Gnolls failed, because Yeenoghu quickly moved in to fill the gap left by Gondrugda. For a time, the Gnoll god of invention wandered greatly diminished (from a Greater power to that of a demi-god). Eventually, he discovered the Gnomes (he has a thing for the silent "G", what can I say?), and became known to them as Nebelun. After re-attaining Lesser God status through Gnomish worship, he killed and absorbed a power named Goibne, the smith-god of the early Talfiric people. Through Goibne's former worshippers, he developed into the power known today as Gond. In this way, we finally get a god that started out in a monstrous pantheon - after all, at least one of them should have moved into the Faerūnian Pantheon at some point, and the Gnolls had a great civilization once so they are the obvious choice. @BadCatMan - I could have sworn there was new, updated info on that island somewhere, but now I can't find it.
Suin Bahhar 08-27-07, 09:36 PM	Gnolls had a civilization? I thought it was Hobgoblins.
Dark Wizard 08-28-07, 12:27 AM	That's odd, I once had the idea of the Great Spire of the Ice Sea plot hook coming to it's conclusion. The result warmed the region a bit, enough to jump start the rise of the second Raumathari empire (a few more details that this, but that's one of the main causes). At least that was before everyone and their vassal state starting a revival. The risen empire thing might be played out.
Derren S. 08-28-07, 03:50 AM	Seriously though, since the Dracorage aren't like half the cities in the Realms rebuilding right now? :confused: Actually not because in the rage novels dragons were portrayed weaker than orcs (dozends of unraged dragons didn't even manage to destroy a monastry). So except for one small unnamed border town there wasn't much destruction.
pedroripoll 08-28-07, 12:12 PM	who, why and how deep imaskary was destroyed? MarkusTay63, where do you get that informationa about gond? tanks
Lord Karsus 08-28-07, 04:30 PM	who, why and how deep imaskary was destroyed? -It was the Imaskari pseudodivine entity "Pandorym", in the novel Darkvision.
MarkusTay63 08-28-07, 09:57 PM	MarkusTay63, where do you get that informationa about gond? My own spin on things - Just some ideas I've toyed with in my own campaign -thats why I put it in a spoiler. It's definately NOT canon - far from it in fact. sorry for the confusion.
Tugrek 08-29-07, 03:57 AM	Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same.
msatran 08-29-07, 01:36 PM	Swell. What year was this? I hate that you have to read dozens of bad novels to find out what's going on in the realms.
Lord Karsus 08-29-07, 03:26 PM	Swell. What year was this? I hate that you have to read dozens of bad novels to find out what's going on in the realms. -I suspect that's Book II of Paul Kemp's Twilight War Trilogy. I think Book II is called Shadowstorm. The events of the Twilight War Trilogy are up to date, and take place in the present.
Shade 08-29-07, 03:55 PM	Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same. Tugrek, SPOILER TAG, please! The book just came out!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-30-07, 09:37 AM	DANGER! SPOILER! . . . . . . . . . . . . Ordulin was just destroyed by the Shadowstorm... Actually, we don't know that it was destroyed, but from the cataclysmic description (everything enveloped in darkness and dead, souls of the dead turned to shadows) it appears that while the city may stand, there is no one living in it. Perhaps it will be retakend and resettled in coming events next spring. Who knows. Sembia will never be the same. Excuse me, but posting spoilers for a book that just came out is VERY rude and inconsiderate. I just picked up that book. You should have at least warned about spoilers.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 08-30-07, 09:39 AM	I think they would still be rebuilding, Wizards just likes to gloss over it. Get to their next Realms shaking event. No kidding. That's one of many reasons why I think RSEs are usually stupid.