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Zsych 03-10-06, 03:46 AM	Was just remembering Elminster's encounter with Karsus' dead clone(and i still wonder why there was only one... i'd have scattered hundreds across the planes). Anyway, what spells did he have(not sure if they were defined in detail). And just how did he expect his clone to learn them? Sounded like the clone was mostly empty... a few high level spells would likely have been rather hard to swallow.
Dargoth 03-10-06, 08:30 AM	One of the Spells was the forbidden Karsus Avatar spell that caused the fall of Netheril
Lord Karsus 03-11-06, 12:53 AM	Was just remembering Elminster's encounter with Karsus' dead clone(and i still wonder why there was only one... i'd have scattered hundreds across the planes). Anyway, what spells did he have(not sure if they were defined in detail). And just how did he expect his clone to learn them? Sounded like the clone was mostly empty... a few high level spells would likely have been rather hard to swallow. -First off, where is this meeting detailed? -Next, the so-called Karsus Clone would not have the infamous Karsus' Avatar in his spellbook. After she was born, Mystra eliminated all knowledge of the spell from Toril. This included all notes and such that Karsus had. Therefore, a 'Clone' of his would not have KA.
Telagaunt 03-11-06, 02:19 AM	Plus, magic worked differently after the ban, it wouldn't even be in the spell book (for the above reason) aswell as the fact magic changed. You'd need an epic spell (of god knows what kind of proportion) to maybe cast the spell these days (which Mystra would block), and epic spells are not in spellbooks anyway.
Zsych 03-11-06, 01:50 PM	I doubt that Karsus would put Karsus avatar among the max 4-5 spells that he would leave his clone. A very hard to cast spell, needing rare components, and blah blah. I think he left sensible(but very powerful spells), of his own devising. It was something along the lines of(that i recall)... 1. Attack spell for massive destruction 2. Spell for manipulating beings creating hybrids, and adding general abilities. 3. Power healing spell(in case the new Karsus did not have servants) 4. Some general area manipulation spell(i think) ... that's all i remember. Now if i was Karsus, and wasn't expecting my clone to have the ability to jump to 12th level magic in the first go(sensible), i'd leave him 4th to 7th level spells. Of course, he could've left 10th/11th level spells too, making them useless after the ban.... but like i said, he left only 4-5 spells, so bizarre extremely hard spells would've been stupid. It was interesting, the way the image of Karsus is telling his (dead)clone that he suffers from bouts of insanity and that the clone may also have to guard against them :) (It was mentioned in book 2 of the Elminster series. The Temptation of Elminster... i think... :)) -- Hmm... i rechecked, and it seems to be 4 spells of each school, or some such.
Lord Karsus 03-12-06, 12:49 AM	(It was mentioned in book 2 of the Elminster series. The Temptation of Elminster... i think... :)) -Hmm...I am having some vague recollections. I think it's about time I start reading some of those books over again...
Zsych 03-12-06, 03:39 AM	Book 2 was the Myth Drannor one. It was book 3. In how a sorceress bound by Karsus into his spell, wants to escape, and uses Elminster to do it. I'd have really liked the fight that was about to occur after that... stopped by a fighter...
Dargoth 03-12-06, 08:30 AM	Read what Azuth says to Elminster during the fight in the Temptation of Elminster one of the spells is the KArsus Avatar spell and Azuth more or less tells Elminster that if he reads it Azuth will have to destroy him
Zsych 03-12-06, 01:19 PM	Hmm... that would require finding the book among my rather annoying to parse collection(my books are in several layers inside a cupboard, and it's rather hard to find a specific book :)) I recall something along the lines of 'Mystra forbids us to do that', and Elminster says something like 'to do, but not to read'. Besides, as i said, casting KA, and finding the reagents for it, would be a huge annoyance. Plus Mystra's mass deletion should have already removed it from existence so it shouldn't even be there(though maybe it was... which means that all of Mystra's efforts were in vain... now i like Karsus even more :)) --- Anyway, my original question was... has anyone ever asked Ed, or someone who knew, what all the spells in that place were? I recall that the sorceress had been confident that she could beat Azuth's avatar with Karsus' spells...
Lord Karsus 03-12-06, 11:21 PM	Read what Azuth says to Elminster during the fight in the Temptation of Elminster one of the spells is the KArsus Avatar spell and Azuth more or less tells Elminster that if he reads it Azuth will have to destroy him -Like I said earlier, Mystra destroyed all knwledge of the spell (ie, how to cast it, the neccesary components, the research...)