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| Klyden02-04-05, 02:21 PM | When will Lost Empires of Faerûn hit the shelves? Does anyone know? Is it in bookstores in North America already? Please help. |
| Klyden02-04-05, 02:22 PM | Also, can anyone post a content list of what is in Lost Empires of Faerûn? If doing that is illegal to do then please don't do it. I just assume that Rob or Ed posted a content list for Lost Empires of Faerûn like they did for Players Guide to Faerûn. |
| Dargoth02-04-05, 05:31 PM | LOEF Contents Introduction 4 The Ruin-Based Campaign 4 What’s Inside 5 What You Need to Play 5 Chapter 1: Ancient Secrets 6 Ancient Feats 6 Arcane Manipulation 6 Arcane Transfiguration 6 Channel Charge 7 Cormanthyran Moon Magic 7 Craft Scepter 8 Familiar Concentration 8 Godsight 8 Greenbound Summoning 8 Item Reprieve 8 Jergal’s Pact 8 Multilingual 8 Netherese Battle Curse 8 Servant of the Fallen 9 Spell Reprieve 9 Trapmaster 9 Wounding Spell 9 Prestige Classes 10 Cultist of the Shattered Peak 10 Glorious Servitor 13 Magelord 17 Olin Gisir 21 Sunmaster 25 Ancient Spells 29 Assassin Spell 29 Bard Spell 29 Cleric Spells 29 Druid Spells 29 Paladin Spell 29 Sorcerer/Wizard Spells 29 Spell Descriptions 30 Chapter 2: Dreams of the Past 36 The Ruins of the Past 36 Cities into Dungeons 36 Interesting Sites 38 Ancient Deities 41 Amaunator 41 Auppenser 41 Bhaal 41 Gilgeam 42 Leira 42 Moander 42 Myrkul 43 Ramman 43 Tchazzar 43 Epic Magic 43 Mystra’s Ban and Epic Magic 43 Epic Spell 43 Epic Spell Seeds 44 Mythals 45 What Is a Mythal? 45 Raising a Mythal 45 Sample Mythal: The Wards of Silverymoon 50 Chapter 3: The Crown Wars 51 History 51 Timeline 51 Keepers of the Past 52 Songs and Stories 53 Important Sites 56 Aryvandaar 56 Illefarn 57 Ilythiir 58 Miyeritar 58 Legacies of the Crown Wars 59 Adventure Seeds 59 Buried Secrets 59 Chapter 4: God-Kings of the East 60 History 60 Timeline 60 Keepers of the Past 63 Songs and Stories 63 Important Sites 64 Imaskar 64 Mulhorand 66 Narfell 67 Raumathar 68 Unther 69 Legacies of the Old Empires 70 Adventure Seeds 70 Buried Secrets 70 Heirs to the Empire 70 Adventure Site: Sonjar’s Tower 72 Background 72 The Earth Node 72 Tower Features 73 Keyed Areas 73 Chapter 5: Realms of the High Forest 83 History 83 Timeline 84 Keepers of the Past 85 Songs and Stories 85 Important Sites 86 Ammarindar 86 Delzoun 87 Eaerlann 89 Sharrven 91 Siluvanede 92 Legacies of the High Forest 92 Adventure Seeds 92 Heirs of the High Forest 94 Chapter 6: Fallen Netheril 95 High and Low Netheril 95 History 96 Timeline 96 Keepers of the Past 100 Songs and Stories 102 Important Sites 104 The Lost Kingdoms 104 Low Netheril 105 Netherese Colonies 107 Shattered Cities 108 Surviving Cities 109 Western Diaspora 109 Legacies of Netheril 111 Adventure Seeds 111 Buried Secrets 111 Heirs to the Empire 112 Chapter 7: The Imperial South 113 History 113 Timeline 113 Keepers of the Past 116 Songs and Stories 117 Important Sites 117 Coramshan 117 High Shanatar 118 Memnonnar 119 Jhaamdath 120 Shoon Imperium 121 Tethir 122 Legacies of the Past 123 Adventure Seeds 123 Buried Secrets 123 Heirs to the Empire 124 Chapter 8: The Dream of Cormanthyr 125 History 125 Timeline 125 Keepers of the Past 129 Songs and Stories 129 Important Sites 132 The Elven Court 132 Myth Drannor 133 Semberholme 133 Vale of Lost Voices 133 Legacies of Cormanthyr 134 Adventure Seeds 134 Buried Secrets 135 Chapter 9: The Old North 136 History 136 Timeline 136 Keepers of the Past 142 Songs and Stories 142 Important Sites 142 Ardeep 142 Gauntlgrym 143 Old Illusk 144 Phalorm 144 Legacies of the Old North 146 Adventure Site: Keep on the Frontier 146 Background 146 Keep Features 146 Keyed Areas 146 Concluding the Adventure 150 Chapter 10: Artifacts of the Past 151 Magic Item Descriptions 151 Weapons 151 Rings 152 Scepters 153 Staffs 153 Wondrous Items 154 Artifacts 156 Minor Artifacts 156 Major Artifacts 157 Chapter 11: Monsters of the Ancient Lands 160 Arachnids, Giant 160 Combat 160 Giant Whip Scorpion 160 Giant Whip Spider 161 Giant Sun Spider 162 Baneguard 162 Baneguard 162 Direguard 162 Crawling Claw 163 Combat 164 Creation 164 Curst 165 Sample Curst 165 Creating a Curst 165 Deepspawn 166 Combat 167 Demon, Ghour 168 Combat 168 Dread 169 Combat 169 Dread Warrior 169 Sample Dread Warrior 169 Creating a Dread Warrior 170 Flameskull 171 Combat 171 Foulwing 172 Combat 172 Gorynych 172 Combat 173 Greenbound Creature 173 Sample Greenbound Creature 174 Creating a Greenbound Creature 174 Helmed Horror 175 Helmed Horror 175 Battle Horror 177 Ixzan 177 Combat 178 Lycanthrope 178 Combat 178 Lycanthrope, Drow Werebat 178 Lycanthrope, Werecat 179 Lycanthrope, Werecrocodile 181 Lycanthrope, Wereshark 183 Metalmaster 184 Combat 184 Nightshade, Nighthaunt 185 Combat 185 Nishruu 186 Combat 186 Phaerimm 187 Combat 187 Phaerimm Characters 189 Tomb Tapper 189 Combat 190 Construction 190 Tressym 191 Combat 191 Velvet Worm, Giant 191 Combat 192 The books already out in Germany, the last I heard it wasnt going to be out in Australia until the 18th |
| Klyden02-04-05, 06:10 PM | Is there stats for the Srinshee in this Book? |
| Klyden02-04-05, 06:11 PM | Also, thanks go out to Dargoth for posting the content list for me! Your awsome dude! ;) :D |
| Kuje3102-04-05, 06:23 PM | Is there stats for the Srinshee in this Book? We don't know. It's not out in the states yet and if it is out in Germany not many people have it yet. |
| SacredOne02-04-05, 08:21 PM | I picked up a copy last night. Very good book, haven't had a chance to fully tease it apart but there is a lot of info on a lot of ancient subjects. Let me know what you want to know... if it isn't against copyright or the CoC. |
| Klyden02-04-05, 08:43 PM | I picked up a copy last night. Very good book, haven't had a chance to fully tease it apart but there is a lot of info on a lot of ancient subjects. Let me know what you want to know... if it isn't against copyright or the CoC. Very well. Is there stats for the Srinshee in this Book? If there are, can you give us her name, sex, race, status (aka templates or not), class levels, and CR? |
| Dargoth02-04-05, 09:03 PM | I picked up a copy last night. Very good book, haven't had a chance to fully tease it apart but there is a lot of info on a lot of ancient subjects. Let me know what you want to know... if it isn't against copyright or the CoC. First question WHERE DID YOU GET IT! Second Question Do they have an online store? |
| SacredOne02-04-05, 11:23 PM | Klyden, Unfortunately there are no stats for the Srinshee, but it does mention where she is and why she is there... From the illustration of her in the book, 'she' appears to be a beautiful, ageless moon elf. Other than that, the book doesn't say. Dargoth, I picked up the book from a comic book shop, in inner city Brisbane. It might have been an early shipment, but I dunno... They don't have an online store, yet, but I think it is happening soon. |
| warlockco02-04-05, 11:33 PM | I picked up a copy last night. Very good book, haven't had a chance to fully tease it apart but there is a lot of info on a lot of ancient subjects. Let me know what you want to know... if it isn't against copyright or the CoC. Ack!! Not Fair, the Street Date on that is Supposed to be Feb 18. |
| Dargoth02-04-05, 11:59 PM | Klyden, Unfortunately there are no stats for the Srinshee, but it does mention where she is and why she is there... From the illustration of her in the book, 'she' appears to be a beautiful, ageless moon elf. Other than that, the book doesn't say. Dargoth, I picked up the book from a comic book shop, in inner city Brisbane. It might have been an early shipment, but I dunno... They don't have an online store, yet, but I think it is happening soon. Whats the name of the comic book store? (Feel free to PM me the name if you want) I wonder if I can pay for it with my VISA card and get it shipped to Sydney.... (I am not content to wait till feb 18th) |
| Dargoth02-05-05, 12:29 AM | Wohoooo! I just scored there last copy Thanks SacredOne! |
| SacredOne02-05-05, 12:40 AM | No worries. There were only two on the shelf when I got mine. Lucky, huh? |
| Dargoth02-05-05, 12:43 AM | yep Apparently theyve been selling them since Wednesday |
| Dargoth02-05-05, 06:44 AM | SacredOne any chance you can post the LEOF spell list? (Its not listed in the contents Rich gave us) Also what does it say about Bhaal and Mykrul? |
| Monsoon2802-05-05, 01:06 PM | First, I second Dargoths request what's it say on Myrkul and Bhaal!! Second, what do they have on Epic Level (spells or feats or even PrC's.) Man am I jealous of you guys down-under (not including the weather) ;) Hopefully I can find a copy next week when I visit London. *crosses fingers* |
| Kuje3102-05-05, 02:17 PM | Well we know, from a poster over on Candlekeep, that the Bhaalspawn novels and dragon articles are further canonized in the new sourcebook. :) SOOOOOO that's one debate that HOPEFULLY will never be repeated again. :P |
| Demetrios02-05-05, 07:49 PM | Well we know, from a poster over on Candlekeep, that the Bhaalspawn novels and dragon articles are further canonized in the new sourcebook. :) SOOOOOO that's one debate that HOPEFULLY will never be repeated again. :P I'm not really surprised, as they were never actually disowned by WotC, even though many found the concept of the Bhaalspawn not to their liking. I'm glad to see that this has all been cleared up (and, as a fan of the storyline in the games but not the actual novels themselves, I'm glad it was cleared up in the way it seems to have been done) and curious what LEoF will have to say about them, and how they have been integrated into the "official" Realms chronology... |
| Mookie3702-05-05, 10:38 PM | I haven't seen any officail shipment dates for US realease, but my local game store says they should have it this friday, so yay! |
| Dargoth02-05-05, 11:37 PM | SacredOne What does the Wounding Meta feat do? Also what does LEOF say about Myth Adofhaer? (The lost Sun Elf city in MOF) |
| SacredOne02-05-05, 11:42 PM | Spells: Aura of the Sun Backblast Bloodbriars Clearstone Crushing Sphere Ebon Ray of Doom Ghost Pipes Know Bloodline Mailed Might of the Magelords Nar Fiendbond Nezram's Amethyst Aura Nezram's Emerald Energy Shield Nezram's Sapphire Screen of Shielding Ray of Resurgence Sakratar's Triple Strike Sandblast Shalantha's Delicate Disk Srinshee's Spell Shift Storm Shield Sun Scepter Theskyn's Hearty Heave Toothed Tentacle Tyche's Touch Epic Spell: Ioulaum's Longevity Myrkul and Bhaal: Each of these guys gets a short paragraph... think 200 words explaining how they rose to godhood, how they died and what, if any, effect they have on the world at large. Bhaalspawn are mentioned... nothing more. You do not get the holy symbol of either, but you get their domains, favored weapon and portfolio (useful when coupled with the Servant of the Fallen feat). Hope that helps... oh, and the elfblades are stated as well. :P |
| SacredOne02-05-05, 11:45 PM | The Wounding Magic feat allows a spell to deal a few hitpoints of damage over time (much like the wounding weapon ability, I guess). Couldn't see anything about Myth Adofhaer... sorry. |
| Dargoth02-06-05, 12:08 AM | Thanks What did they do with Elf Blades? Are they different to the ones in Magic of Faerun? |
| SacredOne02-06-05, 12:27 AM | The blades that appear in Magic of Faerûn are the MoonBlades, those weapons that were forged to determine the new ruler of the elves on Evermeet. They grow in power as they pass from one generation to the next. The Elfblades (the CrownBlade, the WarBlade and the ArtBlade) are artifacts of great power. Their location is unknown as they were lost shortly before the fall of Myth Drannor. They are already stupidly powerful, +4 holy keen longswords and then more powers on top of that. |
| Dargoth02-06-05, 01:35 AM | Doh! of cause Well they are meant to be artifacts in the same league as the various "parts of Vecna" artifacts from Greyhawk. By the way hwat does the Servant of the Fallen feat actually do (Other than allow you to recieve spells from a dead god) |
| SacredOne02-06-05, 02:25 AM | In addition to being allowed to recieve spells from a dead god, this feat also allows you to gain a +1 luck bonus to any one roll during a day. You can call upon the universal remnant of your deity's power... You can be raised and resurected normally, instead of being labeled Faithless. |
| ElGrecoETAC02-06-05, 03:40 AM | Wow. Can't wait to get this baby shipped to Iraq. :) |
| Osieu02-06-05, 05:32 AM | Dear SacredOne: Would you please tell me what Craft Scepter and Channel Charge exactly do? How does Channel Charge work? Is the Scepter a new kind of magic item? And what's its difference with other magic items? Besides, is there anything new about the Shadow Weave? Thank you very much!! :) |
| Laertes02-06-05, 06:25 AM | Can you explain something about the Olin Gisir? (are they spellcasters?, are they a modern organization?...) Is explained how the Imaskari learn such powerfull magic and build such empire? Thanks very much |
| Dargoth02-06-05, 06:51 AM | Can you explain something about the Olin Gisir? (are they spellcasters?, are they a modern organization?...) Is explained how the Imaskari learn such powerfull magic and build such empire? Thanks very much I believe the Olin Gisir are abit like those group of warriors from the Mummy they try and stop people from uncovering the past (I believe one of the guys over at Candlekeep said they where Netherese) |
| Laertes02-06-05, 07:15 AM | I believe the Olin Gisir are abit like those group of warriors from the Mummy they try and stop people from uncovering the past (I believe one of the guys over at Candlekeep said they where Netherese) Hmmm, I think the group you mention are the Cultists of the Shattered Peak (in the ten reasons for Dms to buy LEOF they said the Olin are secretive elves and in the excerpt mention about a group of Netherese like the one you say). I've think about the Cultists and perhaps the name of the Prc makes reference of one of the mountains severed for the construction of a Netherese flying city...... i dunno :confused: (think and think is the only thing i can do until the book arrives here in Spain... :weep: ) |
| Bocklin02-06-05, 09:01 AM | OK. Got my copy of the book two days ago (I am in Germany). :D Here are some brief answers: 1 - the Olin Gisir are Elven Wizards dedicated to keeping some secrets the way they are (err... that is "secret" and well guarded). They are a "contemporary" organisation. Mechanics-wise it is a very flavourful Elven Loremaster accumulating "secrets" (like the Loremaster PrC) and special powers to combat fiendish things. 2 - the Cultists of the Shattered Peak are some roguish Netheresse descendants trying to protect Netheresse ruins and secrets from curious. They get their own spell progression table and some extra roguish talents. Look more like a NPC class to me. I do not know anything about this mummy thingy you were mentioning, but from the illustration I guess it is what you mean. ;-) Bocklin |
| Bocklin02-06-05, 09:07 AM | (...) Epic Spell: Ioulaum's Longevity (...) Yes, and also an Epic Seed: Mythal Creation. With additional full rules to create your own Mythal. I just read them briefly, but it seems a bit lackasaidical. I will have to read it again to refine my judgement, but it seemed very short (although excellent). Bocklin |
| Andyr02-06-05, 12:42 PM | Anyone know the UK release date? If the Continent has it I'd have thought we would... I have checked Amazon and so on but htey just say it is not yet available. |
| The Simbul02-06-05, 04:25 PM | Thank god the Epic Spell wasnt Karsus Avatar... On a side note, if I dont get my hands on a copy soon I think I am going to explode, as in Mycontil's Last Resort (Sor/Wiz9) style..... |
| The Simbul02-06-05, 04:30 PM | I heard its March 2 for the United States, but dont ask me why it would be later. I really wish I was in Europe.......... |
| Sephyrill02-06-05, 05:49 PM | I have Lost empires since Saturday now and it's a REALLY REALLY great book :love: almost everything is descriptive... just very few crunch, and that bit is nice (NarFiendbond is just.. :eek: ) (although I was a bit disappointed that Jergal's Pact was so.. hm... boring) Yes, it mentions a bit of Khelben's Youth (poor little Khelb...) and of the Srinshee I'm only a bit sad about what they did to Ioulaum and Tabra(two of my most favourite chars) and that the explanation of Mystras ban is a bit... cheesy.... but that doesn't touch my campaign anymore ;) |
| Arcanum02-06-05, 09:33 PM | Could you tell us what they did to Ioulaum and Tabra? :( They are two of my favorite characters, too... And how did it explain Mystra's Ban? :eek: In addition to Elfblades, Imaskarcana, Nether Scroll, are there any other artifacts? What did it say about Nether Scroll? Thanks for the reply. :) |
| Mr. Wilson02-07-05, 12:55 AM | March 2? My game store told me that they'd get it in this week sometime. |
| Bocklin02-07-05, 04:18 AM | And how did it explain Mystra's Ban? Not being overly aware of or attached to previous explanation hitherto I find myself liking very much how they put it here. It is consistent with Rich's bits of explanation on "his" Thread. In a nutshell: Before Karsus' Folly there were two types of magic above level 9: Epic Magic and 10+ level spells (that is: the regular spell progression was continuing further for wizards of level 20+). Often, the level 10+ spells and Epic Magic would have the same effects (or pretty similar); the way to acquire this power was of course very different. An Epic spell had to be developped, while a 10+ level spell was simply added to your spellbook. LEoF states that Humans (Netheresse) favored the level 10+ spell approach (a lot of power quickly) while elves favored Epic Spells (more refined spells that you can fine-tune). After Karsus' Folly the new Mystra decided to be more careful and completely suppressed all 10+ spells (well, that is spells that were inherently level 10 or more; she did not suppress the possibility to Metamagick your spell to 10 or above; if I understand well) and thus encouraged all races to follow the Elven approach (i.e. Epic Spells), which she could better monitor. That is it for the condensed explanation from the book. Now a comment of mine. Therefore, one could say that powerful casters of nowadays are trying to emulate Elven High Magic. But one could also say that they will never really manage to reach the talent of the Elves (translated in the High Mage PrC). Note that a boxed text also gives an extra "crunch" for the High Elven Mage Prc (Races of Faerun) and for the Netheresse Arcanist (PGtF). Making these two a bit more powerful and interesting than they were. I do not want to get into trouble with copyrights so I will let you discover it in your own copy of LEoF. ;) Bocklin |
| Sephyrill02-07-05, 09:48 AM | And it states that Mystras Ban never applied to epic magic although they duplicate Netheril Spells (as if she wouldn't care what people do with epic spells... sounded to me like that ) Ioulaum "lives" now in the form of an undead elder Brain and is said to be the first creator of the Alhoon while Tabra slew most of them with the epic version of Ioulaum's Longevity because she thought they had killed her mentor. Now she's a captive of the Shadovar, poor Tabby (However they managed to get a wild 23rd level spellcaster :rolleyes: ) |
| Osieu02-07-05, 10:12 AM | Ioulaum "lives" now in the form of an undead elder Brain and is said to be the first creator of the Alhoon while Tabra slew most of them with the epic version of Ioulaum's Longevity because she thought they had killed her mentor. Now she's a captive of the Shadovar, poor Tabby (However they managed to get a wild 23rd level spellcaster :rolleyes: ) With a 35th level spellcaster? :D Does anyone know anything about Craft Scepter and Channel Charge please? How does Channel Charge work? Is the Scepter a new kind of magic item? And, is there anything new about the Shadow Weave? Thank you for answering! :) |
| Reefy02-07-05, 02:16 PM | Anyone know the UK release date? If the Continent has it I'd have thought we would... I have checked Amazon and so on but htey just say it is not yet available. The date Amazon has, and has had for ages is 30th March. I'm hoping that might change to be rather sooner once we have a fixed date for the USA. Other than that, I can't find a date for it. |
| Kantor Brightblade02-08-05, 03:33 AM | According to my bookstore here in Iowa....if you go on to the products section of this site, locate the ISBN number, call your bookstore....they can and should give you the date as it is listed for shipment. I was told February....not March. But it changes daily Im sure. It almost feels that the rest of the planet will have the book tomorrow, but I wont get mine in the states til 2078 |
| Bocklin02-08-05, 06:00 AM | And it states that Mystras Ban never applied to epic magic although they duplicate Netheril Spells (as if she wouldn't care what people do with epic spells... sounded to me like that ) Hum... The way I understood it is that she has an easier time monitoring the development of Epic Spells (it is takes longer and is more visible than simply copying a spell in a spellbook, hence easier to monitor). So she can maintain a better control on what's done. Bocklin |
| Sephyrill02-08-05, 08:44 AM | With a 35th level spellcaster? :D Does anyone know anything about Craft Scepter and Channel Charge please? How does Channel Charge work? Is the Scepter a new kind of magic item? And, is there anything new about the Shadow Weave? Thank you for answering! :) yeah, maybe ;) if Shadow himself makes his velvet hands dirty for a "girl just out of puberty" :D Scepters are a bit of mix between staffs and wands, they can hold up to 2 Spells from 1st-7th level, but usage of a spell of 5th-7th level costs 2 charges With channel charge you can use a spell slot one level higher than the spell you want to use from a wand instead of a charge from a wand/staff/scepter to use a spell from it. Nice non-epic version of Master Wand/Staff, but you need ranks in use magic device and no news about the shadow weave :weep: Hum... The way I understood it is that she has an easier time monitoring the development of Epic Spells (it is takes longer and is more visible than simply copying a spell in a spellbook, hence easier to monitor). So she can maintain a better control on what's done. thats the way i interpreted it for my campaign, too. But when I read it for the first time, my friend and me were a bit... irritated ;) and Nether spells took a veery long time to research :) |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-08-05, 11:11 PM | I just went into my local bookstore and they will have it tomorrow :D:D:D:D Go Australia! *dances* |
| Mr. FIXIT02-09-05, 04:22 AM | Just wondering how Tabra ever managed to beat the Spellcraft DC for the epic Ioulaum's Longevity, given that she's only has 23 character levels. How did she do it? :confused: Thanx in advance. Mr. FIXIT |
| Bocklin02-09-05, 05:20 AM | Just wondering how Tabra ever managed to beat the Spellcraft DC for the epic Ioulaum's Longevity, given that she's only has 23 character levels. How did she do it? :confused: Thanx in advance. Mr. FIXIT What is the exact DC? With level 23, you got a 26 ranks; maybe +6 from Int; +2 from synergy (knowledge arcana); +3 from Skill Focus, that is already +37. It helps. ;-) But let us know what the exact DC is, please. Bocklin |
| Dargoth02-09-05, 06:43 AM | I just went into my local bookstore and they will have it tomorrow :D:D:D:D Go Australia! *dances* Us Aussies are doing quite well out of LEOF Mine arrived today |
| Meepo the Iconic Kobold02-09-05, 12:30 PM | The date Amazon has, and has had for ages is 30th March. I'm hoping that might change to be rather sooner once we have a fixed date for the USA. Other than that, I can't find a date for it. Amazon currently lists their release date as being March 2. I've routinely found that Amazon's dates are usually about 2 weeks later than most of the online and local game shops when it comes to releases of WotC products. |
| ikki02-09-05, 02:05 PM | I believe the Olin Gisir are abit like those group of warriors from the Mummy they try and stop people from uncovering the past (I believe one of the guys over at Candlekeep said they where Netherese) One thing i like about the two new books (wild n LEoF) is the "playing an xxx" and the other fluff about each prc. Their background and how to use one and what they do. Anyway for the Olin Gisir. "you are silent and somber most of the time [...] ..as much for the sake for your companions sanity as for the keeping of secrets" O.G. in Faerun. They fill many roles, from advosor (what dungeons to loot, and how), but also as stated, to keep others secret. Most O.G. do however refrain from the strike forst, ask questions later philosophy. Even a few join adventurers. Baelnornship does happen for them, sometimes (!). |
| Mr. FIXIT02-09-05, 04:06 PM | What is the exact DC? With level 23, you got a 26 ranks; maybe +6 from Int; +2 from synergy (knowledge arcana); +3 from Skill Focus, that is already +37. It helps. ;-) But let us know what the exact DC is, please. Bocklin Sorry if I kept you waiting... The DC to cast the epic Ioulaum's Longevity is listed as 152. Far beyond the reach of any 23. level character if you ask me... EDIT: I forgot to say that Lost Empires of Faerûn is an AWESOME book. The best since Lords of Darkness IMO! |
| Bocklin02-09-05, 04:44 PM | Sorry if I kept you waiting... The DC to cast the epic Ioulaum's Longevity is listed as 152. Far beyond the reach of any 23. level character if you ask me... Humm... Yes, I just saw that (I am back at home now). It looks to me as if it was planned as a "sacrifice all your apprentices" ritual for an evil wizard. You could cast it "ritual" like, with assistants helping lower the DC (e.g. around 7 assistants sacrificing 7th, 8th or 9th level spell slots to help would do the trick). But then they die in the process because of the spell's nature... So you have to keep them unaware of what they are actually doing. It is the only explanation I could see. Bocklin PS: I could not give you a page number about the "ritual" casting of Epic Spells because my copy of the Epic Handbook is in French (don't ask ;)). But if you look in the section about developing and casting Epic spells, it is towards the end. |
| The Simbul02-09-05, 07:06 PM | She could just as easily have researched a spell chain variant of the exact same spell but with sufficient mitigating factors to place the DC within range of her abilities. That said, I dont know why they keep printing Epic Spells that no one can actually cast. |
| Imruphel02-09-05, 07:35 PM | (snip) That said, I dont know why they keep printing Epic Spells that no one can actually cast. I've wondered about this, too. I think the designers know that the ELH was badly designed and developed so they basically throw Epic stuff in knowing that no one really uses it as published. Either that or it's just more evidence of lazy design and development. |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-09-05, 09:35 PM | Oh my... over HERE on EN WORLD (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=119822&page=2&pp=40) we have bits and pieces from the book. post #45. There are the mythallar (like mythals, but they also allow the creation of quasi-real magic items that cost no xp but only work within its borders) and the Dragontear Crown of Sharrven. Mythallar. Stats. That are canon. Oh My. *dies* |
| The Simbul02-09-05, 11:42 PM | If I dont get my hands on this book soon I am going to start having to make some serious Will saves or go insane.. :tantrum: |
| Mr. FIXIT02-10-05, 02:28 AM | Thank you all for taking the time to answer. I guess I have some EL handbook reading to do (that is, of course, after I have read Lost Empires of Faerûn again :D)... Mr. FIXIT: Must. Go. To. School. LEoF: "Please don't leave me... Have I not been good to you?" *If only that book would let me go to the bathroom* |
| Bocklin02-10-05, 03:53 AM | That said, I dont know why they keep printing Epic Spells that no one can actually cast. I am no Epic-thingies specialist, but I did some reading yesterday and it seems that the only way these mega-ultra-Epic spells can be cast is by casting it as a "ritual". In the ELH, it reads as if it was an open option for any Epic spell. The way it works is that you round up a bunch of high level spellcasters (not necessarily Epic) and you let them assist the Epic caster. They offer him one of their spell slot for the day and according to the level of the sacrificed spell, the main caster get a reduction on the DC (bringing the spell within his range). You can cast all of the Faerun Epic Spells that way. I guess that's the way the Netheresse casted "Proctiv's blabla mountain" or the Elves casted "Starshine upon the people", raised Mythals, etc. In the case of this specific spell from LEoF, the idea is that you provoke the death of many people (all who are within the spell's reach) to expand your lifespan. So why not sacrify all your apprentices? It has a nice evil touch... ;-) Bocklin |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-10-05, 08:22 AM | If I dont get my hands on this book soon I am going to start having to make some serious Will saves or go insane.. :tantrum: Tell Me about it :rolleyes: 10 hours and I'll be at my book store, and they had better have got it in. I gave them a day... :drools: |
| The Simbul02-10-05, 05:59 PM | I am no Epic-thingies specialist, but I did some reading yesterday and it seems that the only way these mega-ultra-Epic spells can be cast is by casting it as a "ritual". In the ELH, it reads as if it was an open option for any Epic spell. The way it works is that you round up a bunch of high level spellcasters (not necessarily Epic) and you let them assist the Epic caster. They offer him one of their spell slot for the day and according to the level of the sacrificed spell, the main caster get a reduction on the DC (bringing the spell within his range). You can cast all of the Faerun Epic Spells that way. I guess that's the way the Netheresse casted "Proctiv's blabla mountain" or the Elves casted "Starshine upon the people", raised Mythals, etc. In the case of this specific spell from LEoF, the idea is that you provoke the death of many people (all who are within the spell's reach) to expand your lifespan. So why not sacrify all your apprentices? It has a nice evil touch... ;-) BocklinYes I am fully aware of how Ritual spellcasting works, however the issue is that spells intended to be cast as rituals need to be researched as ritual spells. That is, you cant just decide to have a dozen or so spellcasters come lower the DC of a spell for you when you cast it, you actually have to research and develop a specific spell with the Ritual component built into it, and you have to specify when researching the spell how many casters will participate and the level of spells (and XP points if applicable) that they will contribute to the casting of the spell. Once you research a spell with the Ritual component, you can only cast it if you actually have the specified number of spellcasters each available to donate a specific level of a prepared spell/spell slot to the casting. Thus if the ability for FR NPCs to have cast the Epic Spells in the FR books is intended to be explained as if they cast them as ritual spells, then they would actually have to be researched with that component built into the spell, which in turn would lower the DC for researching and casting that spell. However virtually none of the spells I have seen thus far actually use the Ritual component, which in turn creates the enigma of having spells supposedly used by a certain NPC, when by most accounts no such NPC would be capable of actually casting it in its original printed form. |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-10-05, 09:13 PM | OMG. I have it in my hot little hands. No really I do. *dies of the uber goodness* By the way, there is a Spell Mantle feat in the Fallen Netheril section. Badly written though and really doesnt resemble spell mantles, as it works off the Craft Contingent Spell feat, allowing you to trigger spells that are contingent when you want instead of at the pre-specified time. Mythallars: Minor Atrifact. All it does is allow you to create quasi-magical items in its radius. This means you pay NO XP cost. Thats right, pay your gold, spend a day or so crafting and bam, you have a magical item. :D Only the 1st and 5th Imaskarcana are detailed :( no mention of the other 5. Am not impressed. The book has a nice number of prestige classes. (Only 5, seriously that should be the max on any source book. Maybe even 3). And OMG the detail they go into. Instead of the usual page and a bit, each has almost four pages, detailing playing it, the PC in Faerun, NPC Reactions, Lore of the class (DCs to find out what people know about it) and the class in the game, as well as a sample NPC with levels in the class. Some real attention put in there. I like it a lot. Spells are alright, nothing too flash, a nice variety though. Srinshee's Spell Shift is the 9th level version if that... *shrug* wasn't till I opened the book that I realised Shalantha's Delicate Disk is in there. *score* Mythals have the four sections (Prevalent, Arointed, Vanguard and Prevalent) Rules look okay, have only read it quickly though. Ive only skimmed through the history chapters. They look incredibly good though. will probably leave this for the train trips when Uni starts, since a two hour trip to uni and another one back will need something to fill up the time :D Any questions then give me a yell :devil: The Demonbinder |
| Dargoth02-10-05, 09:34 PM | OMG. Only the 1st and 5th Imaskarcana are detailed :( no mention of the other 5. Am not impressed. The 3rd Imaskarcana is detailed in Underdark Presumably the remaining 4 will appear in either a Cold Lands or Old Empires source book |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-10-05, 10:11 PM | The 3rd Imaskarcana is detailed in Underdark Presumably the remaining 4 will appear in either a Cold Lands or Old Empires source book *sigh* Underdark is one of the few FR books I don't yet own. Prehaps once next weeks pay comes in I can rectify that situation. |
| Sephyrill02-11-05, 04:55 AM | Hm... that Tabra thing makes me wonder, too... first, shes neutral GOOD... so maybe it is ok for her to slay the Alhoon that semmed to have killed her Mentor with the spell's effect, but: she would never ever have sacrificed apprentices/additional spellcasters to lower the DC. Not that she actually had such persons available in that moment.. Maybe Ioulaum could beat the DC (he has read all the Nether scrolls... so hey, he got the +30 to Spellcraft... he can have 44 Ranks in SC.. can have Items... int of maybe 48) but if not, even he (LN as he is)would not sacrifice his apprentices... the whole Alhoon/Elder Brain thing must have been a horrible accident I think there must be a less... hostile version of Ioulaum's Longevity... maybe if you use just the fortify seed with an ad-hoc adjustment of maybe.. 30 or 40 (the Simbul had that idea on another thread, if i remember correctly) so the DC is not beyond reach for "lower" epic casters AND I found a little error in the dead Gods description: in the Bhaal entry it states that "Jergals portfolios were divided among the three, with death going to Myrkul, evil to Bane and murder to Bhaal" which is not correct. Leaving Bane (who has, as we all know, the portfolios of Tyranny, Hatred, Fear and Strife - and not evil(although he would be surely happy if he had that portfolio ;) ), even Myrkul and Bhaal have, if i remember correctly, the portfolios of: Myrkul - the dead(including undead), autumn and aging Bhaal - death, especially violent death Yes, there is a difference between death and the dead - which is important, because Bhaal chose death so that he could "control" the powers of Bane (whom should he rule if no one's alive?) and Myrkul (the mass of the dead) |
| Lord Mortanius02-11-05, 05:44 AM | What are Myrkul's domains and his favored weapon ? |
| The Demonbinder of the Abyss02-11-05, 06:58 AM | What are Myrkul's domains and his favored weapon ? Myrkul: NE Favored Weapon: Scythe Domains: Death, Evil, Suffering & Undeath Portfolios: Corruption, the Dead, Death, Old Age Hope that helps :D |
| Sephyrill02-14-05, 08:30 AM | Long lives Myrkul! :D but sadly they did mention Shadow/the Shade only once and no word about Alashar or his relationship with Karsus :weep: |
| Bocklin02-14-05, 08:31 AM | Yes I am fully aware of how Ritual spellcasting works, however the issue is that spells intended to be cast as rituals need to be researched as ritual spells. That is, you cant just decide to have a dozen or so spellcasters come lower the DC of a spell for you when you cast it, you actually have to research and develop a specific spell with the Ritual component built into it, and you have to specify when researching the spell how many casters will participate and the level of spells (and XP points if applicable) that they will contribute to the casting of the spell. Once you research a spell with the Ritual component, you can only cast it if you actually have the specified number of spellcasters each available to donate a specific level of a prepared spell/spell slot to the casting. Thus if the ability for FR NPCs to have cast the Epic Spells in the FR books is intended to be explained as if they cast them as ritual spells, then they would actually have to be researched with that component built into the spell, which in turn would lower the DC for researching and casting that spell. However virtually none of the spells I have seen thus far actually use the Ritual component, which in turn creates the enigma of having spells supposedly used by a certain NPC, when by most accounts no such NPC would be capable of actually casting it in its original printed form. OK... Now I understand your concern with these spells. Thanks for the explanation. As you can see, I was right to start my previous post by stating that I was no expert on "Epic" issues! ;) I'll just go do some more reading of my Epic Handbook. Bocklin |
| Tempus66502-14-05, 11:00 AM | I finally got it :D I'm as happy as a puppy in a field of daisies! |
| The Simbul02-14-05, 11:52 AM | The Amazon International sites, at least in Britain and Germany dont seem to have anything stating that the book isnt out yet, and in Britain's case it says it usually ships in 8-10 days. Of course even with basic air mail I cant get it for less than £21.60 GBP (or given the recent hemorrhaging of the value of the dollar; $39.96 in U.S. currency), and the earliest one could get it is Feb 19th, which is a day after the (supposed) "official" US release date. :( |
| Bocklin02-14-05, 05:05 PM | Hi again The Simbul and others! After re-checking my ELH I really do not find any indication that Epic spells have to be developped as rituals to be casted so. It seems that ANY Epic Spell can be cast as a ritual. for example, there are no indications of a DD modifier for spells that would be developped as rituals nor has the entry describing the ritual casting any indication that this could not be done with any spell. So if there is a specific page number or indication you could give me about this, I'd be happy. As it stands I really believe that any of these Epic Faerûn spells can just be cast as a ritual. Of course, it does not solve the issue of previous texts that "X casted this Epic Spell and destroyed a realm". You just have to assume that he did not do this on his own but with the help of a bunch of apprentices... If there is any explicit indication in the ELH that an Epic Spell has to be developped as such to be cast as a ritual, I'd like to have a page number. Thanks! Bocklin OK... Now I understand your concern with these spells. Thanks for the explanation. As you can see, I was right to start my previous post by stating that I was no expert on "Epic" issues! ;) I'll just go do some more reading of my Epic Handbook. Bocklin |
| ssvegeta55502-14-05, 06:44 PM | how powerful are the Nether scrolls? I'm dying to know. |
| ikki02-14-05, 09:23 PM | how powerful are the Nether scrolls? I'm dying to know. You get 50 arcane levels and several extra feats along with some heavy bonuses to some skills. Yeah, 50 levels.. (arguably just 40, as noone understands the last 10 scrolls?) Ofcourse you will be spending a few years studying them too. But at the end you own the world.. Now be a good munchkin and play "how the mighty are fallen", and remember to hide that set of scrolls well :D |
| ssvegeta55502-14-05, 10:29 PM | You get 50 arcane levels and several extra feats along with some heavy bonuses to some skills. Yeah, 50 levels.. (arguably just 40, as noone understands the last 10 scrolls?) Ofcourse you will be spending a few years studying them too. But at the end you own the world.. Now be a good munchkin and play "how the mighty are fallen", and remember to hide that set of scrolls well :D :eek: thats..... aswsome.... *salivates on keyboard* It's a shame I wont get this book until March 10th. :weep: |
| The Simbul02-14-05, 10:49 PM | Hi again The Simbul and others! After re-checking my ELH I really do not find any indication that Epic spells have to be developped as rituals to be casted so. It seems that ANY Epic Spell can be cast as a ritual. for example, there are no indications of a DD modifier for spells that would be developped as rituals nor has the entry describing the ritual casting any indication that this could not be done with any spell. So if there is a specific page number or indication you could give me about this, I'd be happy. As it stands I really believe that any of these Epic Faerûn spells can just be cast as a ritual. Of course, it does not solve the issue of previous texts that "X casted this Epic Spell and destroyed a realm". You just have to assume that he did not do this on his own but with the help of a bunch of apprentices... If there is any explicit indication in the ELH that an Epic Spell has to be developped as such to be cast as a ritual, I'd like to have a page number. Thanks! BocklinRitual spells and additional participants are a mitigating factor to a spell, just like backlash damage, XP costs, and increased casting times. All factors included in an Epic Spell (whether they increase or decrease the DC) are included when the spell is developed, thus it is assumed that a ritual spell must be researched and developed as such. If you can simply add ritual participants to any spell without researching a new version of it, then you could just as eaisly spontnaeously add factors to a spell that increase its damage, or lower its XP or Backlash damage by boosting the Spellcraft DC. But this isnt the case, once you research an Epic Spell, all of its factors and specifics are effectively set in stone. In addition, the text describing ritual spells is worded as the following; Additional Participants: Epic spells can be developed that specifically require additional participants. These spells are called rituals. An epic spell developed as a ritual requires a specific number of additional participants, who each must use up one spell slot of a specified level for the day. During an epic spell’s development, the spell’s creator determines the number of additional participants and the level of the spell slots to be contributed. If the exact number of spellcasters does not partake in the casting, or if the casters do not each contribute the proper spell slot, the epic spell automatically fails. To participate, each participant readies an action to contribute his or her raw spell energy when the primary caster begins the epic spell. Additional participants in a ritual spell reduce the Spellcraft DC, as shown on Table: Additional Participants in Rituals. Each additional participant may only contribute one spell slot. It doesn’t matter whether the additional participants are arcane or divine spellcasters; only the level of the spell slot contributed matters. A contributed spell slot is treated as if normally cast. A wizard may contribute either a prepared, uncast spell slot, or an open, unprepared slot. The Spellcraft DC adjustments for each additional participant stack. (bold emphasis mine). If the Epic Level Handbook doesnt include the above text, or the text is different, you can download the 3.5 version of the Epic Level rules from the S.R.D. mainpage, since those rules are now open gaming content. You can theoretically take any Epic Spell and turn it into a Ritual, but in order to do so you must research a new version of that spell and include the Ritual component and its associated mitigating factors. Thus if Tabra was to cast Ioulaum's Longevity she would need to research and develop and alternate version of the same spell that would be within her ability to cast. |
| Barmoz02-14-05, 10:52 PM | Now be a good munchkin and play "how the mighty are fallen", and remember to hide that set of scrolls well :D *faking offense* hey now, who are you calling a munchkin? Heh, I did just that back in 2e, I went to great lengths to find a person who no one else living would have known the name of, and used the imprison spell on them. This was part of a time travel campaign, so when I reverted back to my own time, I was able to cast the reverse of the spell since I knew their name, and poof, had a shiny new addition to my wizard's library. Of course, it was mostly to "have" them as opposed to "use" them since I don't think they ever had real stats. I'd be interested in hearing how other people did it. |
| Bocklin02-15-05, 02:54 AM | I see. It makes sense indeed. I will have to check my ELH again tonight after work... I really have the impression that the part you emphasized was not in my book, but then I really wanted to believe in my own theory, so I guess I unconsciously oversaw it... :D Bocklin Ritual spells and additional participants are a mitigating factor to a spell, just like backlash damage, XP costs, and increased casting times. All factors included in an Epic Spell (whether they increase or decrease the DC) are included when the spell is developed, thus it is assumed that a ritual spell must be researched and developed as such. If you can simply add ritual participants to any spell without researching a new version of it, then you could just as eaisly spontnaeously add factors to a spell that increase its damage, or lower its XP or Backlash damage by boosting the Spellcraft DC. But this isnt the case, once you research an Epic Spell, all of its factors and specifics are effectively set in stone. In addition, the text describing ritual spells is worded as the following; (bold emphasis mine). If the Epic Level Handbook doesnt include the above text, or the text is different, you can download the 3.5 version of the Epic Level rules from the S.R.D. mainpage, since those rules are now open gaming content. You can theoretically take any Epic Spell and turn it into a Ritual, but in order to do so you must research a new version of that spell and include the Ritual component and its associated mitigating factors. Thus if Tabra was to cast Ioulaum's Longevity she would need to research and develop and alternate version of the same spell that would be within her ability to cast. |
| Sephyrill02-15-05, 08:26 AM | Huh... and I understood the Scrolls thing that way that you get one Level for the FIRST scroll you read and the "chapter-rewards" for reading a whole part of them... just can't believe that Ioulaum (I think he has read nearly all the scrolls) is about Level 60-70 or so o.O and about Ars Factum.. IMO some Netherese must have at least partially understood them, otherwise there would be no crown of horns today. But to understand them you MUST have read all the other scrolls.... (so says Netheril: Empire of Magic ;) ) Mythallars are a different issue... I believe that they were "normal" epic wounderous Items back in Netheril |
| Mr. FIXIT02-15-05, 11:44 PM | Regarding the Nether Scrolls and Level gain from reading them: I don't have the book with me right now, but I was under the impression that you gained a level from reading a set of scrolls, rather than just an individual scroll. That would mean that one could only ever gain five levels from reading them all. Mr. FIXIT |
| BelRex02-16-05, 12:01 AM | I think I would agree that it's a level per set of scrolls. That's alot of reading..I forget how many months are in a faerun year..but probably is still over 4 years of reading..every day..nonstop. I just got the book and I'm in love :P |
| Tempus66502-16-05, 01:33 AM | It's one level per scroll, and it takes one month per scroll to read. So, reading all 50 requires 50 months (4 years and 2 months) and grants the reader 50 levels in (an) arcane spellcaster class(es). |
| Krash02-16-05, 07:16 AM | It is ridiculous to think that reading the whole set of Nether Scrolls gives you 50 'bonus' levels. Both Ioulaum, the Srinshee and no doubt more than a few others did this and they certainly were not level 50+. I took the very poorly worded write-up (which hopefully Rich will clarify in his thread) to mean that any spellcasting individual fortunate enough to get their hands on a Nether Scroll gets a one-off +1 level boost. After that, they get an "additional" bonus depending on if they read a complete chapter of the set. This would be indirectly supported bgy the timeline entry for Netheril which notes how the gnome thief Rilmohx Sha Quessir stole a glance at one of the Nether Scrolls and was then able to cast illusion spells (in other words, he gained a level as a specialist illusionist). Fifty bonus levels ... :noway: -- George Krashos |
| Triton02-16-05, 08:39 AM | Here come the Americans, My copy gets delivered UPS tommorrow. I saw a Mississippian got his already. No more questions for me. I will have it soon. Thanks to Barnes and Noble. |
| BelRex02-16-05, 05:59 PM | Yes, I have mine, BAMM rocks. I always get it earlier than expected. |
| Gray Richardson02-16-05, 10:18 PM | I just bought mine just now at Walden Books in Austin Texas. I am soooo happy! Chock full of realmslore! :) |
| TechnoLurker02-16-05, 10:19 PM | Hmm. Amazon shows that it's available in 24 hours, but when you go to place the order it still shows an estimate of March 1st as shipping date. Anybody already ordered one from Amazon get any confirmation that it's shipped? |
| ssvegeta55502-17-05, 12:01 AM | Hmm. Amazon shows that it's available in 24 hours, but when you go to place the order it still shows an estimate of March 1st as shipping date. Anybody already ordered one from Amazon get any confirmation that it's shipped? Mine got shipped today from amazon (I ordered on the 13th). I should get mine about march 8th-10th. Dont know why it's going to take a long time to get to my place. |
| ssvegeta55502-18-05, 05:27 PM | Mine got shipped today from amazon (I ordered on the 13th). I should get mine about march 8th-10th. Dont know why it's going to take a long time to get to my place. I have an update this this post I made. I should get my book tommorow. I checked the tracking info and it has reached my city already. So amazon might have somekind of bad shipping estimate for the book. |
| Sarig the Genie02-18-05, 06:48 PM | I bought it today! Seems the nearest RP shop broke their tradition of getting everything two months after everyone else ;) With 30% off even! |
| Yokinobu02-19-05, 12:12 AM | I got my copy today too! I had been waiting so long, and it seemed so unfair that other countries had it realeased before the U.S. It's pretty good, but I knew I'd be disappointed by the lack of info on the dead deities, and I was. Otherwise, it's a pretty good read. Too bad it'll be forever before the Waterdeep sourcebook hits the shelves. |
| ssvegeta55502-20-05, 02:00 AM | I just got my copy today. I must say this is one very awsome book. In my current FR campaign, I wasn't sure what to do for the bulk of it. Now with this book, I will do a lost empire campaign. |
| Krash02-20-05, 05:54 AM | I got my copy today too! I had been waiting so long, and it seemed so unfair that other countries had it realeased before the U.S. It's pretty good, but I knew I'd be disappointed by the lack of info on the dead deities, and I was. Otherwise, it's a pretty good read. Too bad it'll be forever before the Waterdeep sourcebook hits the shelves. Just what info on the dead deities would you have wanted to see given the extensive write-ups all of them have received in 2E products (except for Ramman and Auppenser)? -- George Krashos |
| Tempus66502-20-05, 06:33 AM | Just what info on the dead deities would you have wanted to see given the extensive write-ups all of them have received in 2E products (except for Ramman and Auppenser)? -- George Krashos I'm quite happy with the way the did the dead deities, except that I would have liked to know what their holy symbols look(ed) like. I know most of them, but some I don't. |
| Gray Richardson02-20-05, 11:32 AM | Just what info on the dead deities would you have wanted to see given the extensive write-ups all of them have received in 2E products (except for Ramman and Auppenser)? -- George Krashos Their 3E home planes and divine realm names of course! :) Such information is essential if we are ever to have a better vision of the FR planes! For instance, Leira's realm, the Courts of Illusion (if it is/was still called that) in 2E was in Limbo. However, in 3E one might surmise it was in Dweomerheart as there is no more Limbo, but it would be nice to know that for sure. Also, Aupenser, I am dying to know what his divine realm was called, and what plane it was attached to. Was it part of a current plane? Or was it part of a now "lost" plane that imploded or slipped beyond the Astral? Inquiring minds want to know! :) |
| Demetrios02-20-05, 03:02 PM | Also, Aupenser, I am dying to know what his divine realm was called, and what plane it was attached to. Was it part of a current plane? Or was it part of a now "lost" plane that imploded or slipped beyond the Astral? As Auppenser is still alive (barely), I imagine his realm is still in existence, although probably in a rather run-down shape. As I mentioned in the "Ask the Authors" thread, I would guess that the plane it was/is on would be the House of Knowledge. |
| Tempus66502-20-05, 03:19 PM | His domain could be fading though, like the plane of Zigguraxus (described, once again, in the Prestige in the Realms download) where the Untheric deities used to reside :) I kind of like this idea. |
| ebonny02-20-05, 03:28 PM | As Auppenser is still alive (barely), I imagine his realm is still in existence, although probably in a rather run-down shape. As I mentioned in the "Ask the Authors" thread, I would guess that the plane it was/is on would be the House of Knowledge. Here is some additional info for my write-up of Auppenser for LEoF that did not see print. Keep in mind that it cannot be considered "official" Realmslore. Auppenser Intermediate Deity Symbol: An eye centered within a perfect hexagonally-shaped gem Home Plane: Dweomerheart Realm: The Tranquil Grounds Worshippers: Blues, duergar, monks, psions, psychic warriors Cleric Alignments: NG, N, CN, LN, NE - Ed |
| Gray Richardson02-20-05, 05:14 PM | Ed, you are very cool in my book! Thanks for the info! Your "unofficial" guidance is as good as gold to me, but I promise I won't hold you to it. Any suggestions as to what he might have called his divine realm? Hmmm... I think some of my players are about to find an interesting six-sided crystal with an eye symbol carved into it when next they collect some treasure. Could be fun... |
| Demetrios02-20-05, 05:26 PM | Here is some additional info for my write-up of Auppenser for LEoF that did not see print. Keep in mind that it cannot be considered "official" Realmslore. Auppenser Intermediate Deity Symbol: An eye centered within a hexagonally shaped gem Home Plane: Dweomerheart Worshippers: Blues, duergar, monks, psions, psychic warriors Cleric Alignments: NG, N, CN, LN, NE - Ed That's good stuff. You guys really need to persaude someone in charge to put this sort of information on the dead deities into a web enhancement, since there are a lot of people requesting it (with good reason!). |
| Karsus the Mad02-28-05, 09:15 AM | "toopid dubble pozt" |
| Karsus the Mad02-28-05, 09:16 AM | Excellent book! Wasn't disapointed at all, and mucho useful stuff included:D There's 2 things that did confuse me tho'. 1. Nether Scrolls. Says if one scroll is read, their arcane caster level is increased automatically by one. Is this for *each* scroll (as in +50 caster level if one has read the entire set)? 2. Another contradiction on Netheril (not negative, just confusing). Under Mystra's ban and epic magic, says the Netherese abandoned epic magic after the discovery of the Nether Scrolls, preferring leveled spells of 10th+ magic. K, decent explanation I think, and totally acceptable. Contradiction comes from the PGtF. Says the Netherese Arcanist were pioneers of epic magic, etc, and the entire prestige class is based off of epic spellcasting. Anyone find it odd how a civilization can pioneer something while having abandoned it almost completely? And how was such a contradiction missed before publishing? |
| The Simbul02-28-05, 10:59 AM | I got my copy on Saturday, from a local bookstore. :w00t: :dancin: :king: My initial desire to save money by purchasing it online was outweighed by my desire to not have to wait another week or so to have it. Effectively shipping costs and several days of waiting time effectively make up for the discounts available from online vendors. Although to be honest I didnt expect any local outlets to have the book, and even then I have only seen one copy between several dozen bookstores. |
| The Simbul02-28-05, 11:03 AM | 1. Nether Scrolls. Says if one scroll is read, their arcane caster level is increased automatically by one. Is this for *each* scroll (as in +50 caster level if one has read the entire set)? I am pretty sure its just one level, if that wasnt the case then most of Netheril's early spellcasters would have upwards of 70-90 character levels instead of 20-40. Also, all other artifacts that grant you a level boost (oor 1/2 a level boost in case of Librams of Silver Magic, etc) specify that you only gain the bonus once, thus I am pretty sure the same holds true for the Nether scrolls. 2. Another contradiction on Netheril (not negative, just confusing). Under Mystra's ban and epic magic, says the Netherese abandoned epic magic after the discovery of the Nether Scrolls, preferring leveled spells of 10th+ magic. K, decent explanation I think, and totally acceptable. Contradiction comes from the PGtF. Says the Netherese Arcanist were pioneers of epic magic, etc, and the entire prestige class is based off of epic spellcasting. Anyone find it odd how a civilization can pioneer something while having abandoned it almost completely? And how was such a contradiction missed before publishing?It may be that the Netherese Arcanist PrC wasnt invented/adopted by the Netherese until after the Fall of Netheril, to carry on their traditions under the new spellcasting system, or perhaps Mystra allowed their abilities to be changed when the Weave was changed. That said, this isnt the first time there has been a contradiction regarding Magic, the Weave, Mystra's Ban, etc in a FR sourcebook. |