Zhentarim in 4th ed. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Zhentarim in 4th ed. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Khaelieth
02-17-08, 10:55 AM Any news on what might have befallen them?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-17-08, 08:47 PM Not really. We do know that Fzoul and Manshoon (I think) are still around, though.
Lord Karsus
02-18-08, 01:56 AM -Well, given that the Shadovar completely control the Anauroch and are the puppeteers controling the Sembian puppet government, I would think that the Zhentarim are a bit weaker than they currently are. I'm sure that the organization still exists, albeit with a different/altered 'mission statement', and objectives if you will.
MarkusTay63
02-18-08, 02:37 AM People will start calling them "Zhentil Kreeps". ;)
Lord Karsus
02-18-08, 02:42 AM -Their friends will call them Zhentil Peeps.
MarkusTay63
02-18-08, 03:26 AM If they switch to Judaism, will they be Yentil Peeps? :D
Passivearmada
02-19-08, 04:45 PM :nonono:
Charles Phipps
02-20-08, 02:55 PM We've heard that the Zhents are still around from Richard Baker.

Bluntly, they're better villains than the Shades ever will be.

They're just cheap immitations of the Black Network.

I hope Zhentil Keep is a proper kingdom now, though.
Lord Karsus
02-20-08, 03:07 PM I hope Zhentil Keep is a proper kingdom now, though.

-They took full advantage of the chaos caused by the Elven Crusade, fortifying the Moonsea region, and knocking out Maalthiir in Hillsfar, so the odds are looking decent for that.
Passivearmada
02-20-08, 03:38 PM I really need to buy the Grand History of the Realms.
Lord Karsus
02-20-08, 03:49 PM I really need to buy the Grand History of the Realms.

-What I referenced takes place in the Last Mythal trilogy, and the Super Adventure trilogy, Cormyr, Shadowdale and Anauroch.
Passivearmada
02-21-08, 09:28 PM -What I referenced takes place in the Last Mythal trilogy, and the Super Adventure trilogy, Cormyr, Shadowdale and Anauroch.

Oh, we just started Cormyr (but I think we;re gonna start over, cause some stuff got really screwed up in our group)
Kenzuki
02-21-08, 09:55 PM I wonder if Fzoul is still the Chosen of Bane and this explains why he's still around. Is Manshoon another clone or how did he survive?
Lord Karsus
02-21-08, 10:45 PM I wonder if Fzoul is still the Chosen of Bane and this explains why he's still around.

-If he's still around, which he shouldn't. The Chosen of Bane template prevents effects from aging, but doesn't grant immortality. Of course, I'm sure he has a horde of Potions of Longetivity.

Is Manshoon another clone or how did he survive?

-The original Manshoon is dead. His death triggered the Manshoon clone wars.
MarkusTay63
02-21-08, 11:20 PM Isn't the Vampiric Manshoon still around?

If he is, he's basically immortal.
Lord Karsus
02-21-08, 11:53 PM Isn't the Vampiric Manshoon still around?

If he is, he's basically immortal.

-Yes, yes he is. Orbach the Night King of Westgate.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-22-08, 07:00 PM I could swear Rich Baker mentioning that Fzoul will be around in 4E, but with a different role.
Lord Karsus
02-23-08, 12:20 AM I could swear Rich Baker mentioning that Fzoul will be around in 4E, but with a different role.

-Oh, the mystery...
Khaelieth
02-23-08, 11:23 AM -If
-The original Manshoon is dead. His death triggered the Manshoon clone wars.

Begun, the Clone Wars have.
Passivearmada
02-24-08, 11:33 AM I think maybe Fzoul should clone himself, too.

Then we'll have a clone war.

:emp: :mage: :fight!: :v: :fight!: :mage: :emp:

Oh, and Semmemmon, too, along with Scullya Darkhope. (I think that's her name).
Lord Karsus
02-24-08, 11:50 AM Oh, and Semmemmon, too, along with Scullya Darkhope. (I think that's her name).

-Sememmon probably does have clones of himself, stashed somewhere. Isn't the current Sememmon a clone?
Old Sage
02-24-08, 08:02 PM His body is a clone created by Manshoon and is in fact the sixth one that this evil archmage has bestowed upon Sememmon in their long association.
Lord Karsus
02-24-08, 08:05 PM His body is a clone created by Manshoon and is in fact the sixth one that this evil archmage has bestowed upon Sememmon in their long association.

-Yes, which is why he's "lost his fear of death", and possibly love.
Old Sage
02-24-08, 08:28 PM Perhaps.

It should be noted that events such as the sacrifice of the Blackstaff have opened his eyes to the choices he could have made that would not have led to him becoming the Lord of Darkhold. So whilst he has many regrets and is a changed man in the truest sense of the word, he is too proud to admit his mistakes and instead hides behind a cold, aloof exterior.
Charles Phipps
02-24-08, 08:50 PM Fzoul has eternal youth from the aid of Manshoon according to RoZK.
MarkusTay63
02-25-08, 01:53 PM 'Clone' sounds too Sci-Fi for me... I prefer to think of them as Humonculi. :D
Old Sage
02-25-08, 06:45 PM I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-25-08, 06:51 PM I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable.

You could argue, though, that that's what everyone is.:P
Old Sage
02-25-08, 07:03 PM 'Magical vessel' is also an alternative term -- for Alias-styled clones.
Da3mon
02-25-08, 10:16 PM -Yes, yes he is. Orbach the Night King of Westgate.

Where can I read about this king?
Lord Karsus
02-25-08, 11:14 PM I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable.

-There's so many variations on the theme.

Where can I read about this king?

-Orbach? Lord of Darkness has the most information on him and the Night Masks.
Old Sage
02-26-08, 12:36 AM And Cloak & Dagger as well.
Lord Karsus
02-26-08, 12:50 AM -And, neither one of them are easy to get, truthfully. Gotta order both online.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Khaelieth 02-17-08, 10:55 AM	Any news on what might have befallen them?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-17-08, 08:47 PM	Not really. We do know that Fzoul and Manshoon (I think) are still around, though.
Lord Karsus 02-18-08, 01:56 AM	-Well, given that the Shadovar completely control the Anauroch and are the puppeteers controling the Sembian puppet government, I would think that the Zhentarim are a bit weaker than they currently are. I'm sure that the organization still exists, albeit with a different/altered 'mission statement', and objectives if you will.
MarkusTay63 02-18-08, 02:37 AM	People will start calling them "Zhentil Kreeps". ;)
Lord Karsus 02-18-08, 02:42 AM	-Their friends will call them Zhentil Peeps.
MarkusTay63 02-18-08, 03:26 AM	If they switch to Judaism, will they be Yentil Peeps? :D
Passivearmada 02-19-08, 04:45 PM	:nonono:
Charles Phipps 02-20-08, 02:55 PM	We've heard that the Zhents are still around from Richard Baker. Bluntly, they're better villains than the Shades ever will be. They're just cheap immitations of the Black Network. I hope Zhentil Keep is a proper kingdom now, though.
Lord Karsus 02-20-08, 03:07 PM	I hope Zhentil Keep is a proper kingdom now, though. -They took full advantage of the chaos caused by the Elven Crusade, fortifying the Moonsea region, and knocking out Maalthiir in Hillsfar, so the odds are looking decent for that.
Passivearmada 02-20-08, 03:38 PM	I really need to buy the Grand History of the Realms.
Lord Karsus 02-20-08, 03:49 PM	I really need to buy the Grand History of the Realms. -What I referenced takes place in the Last Mythal trilogy, and the Super Adventure trilogy, Cormyr, Shadowdale and Anauroch.
Passivearmada 02-21-08, 09:28 PM	-What I referenced takes place in the Last Mythal trilogy, and the Super Adventure trilogy, Cormyr, Shadowdale and Anauroch. Oh, we just started Cormyr (but I think we;re gonna start over, cause some stuff got really screwed up in our group)
Kenzuki 02-21-08, 09:55 PM	I wonder if Fzoul is still the Chosen of Bane and this explains why he's still around. Is Manshoon another clone or how did he survive?
Lord Karsus 02-21-08, 10:45 PM	I wonder if Fzoul is still the Chosen of Bane and this explains why he's still around. -If he's still around, which he shouldn't. The Chosen of Bane template prevents effects from aging, but doesn't grant immortality. Of course, I'm sure he has a horde of Potions of Longetivity. Is Manshoon another clone or how did he survive? -The original Manshoon is dead. His death triggered the Manshoon clone wars.
MarkusTay63 02-21-08, 11:20 PM	Isn't the Vampiric Manshoon still around? If he is, he's basically immortal.
Lord Karsus 02-21-08, 11:53 PM	Isn't the Vampiric Manshoon still around? If he is, he's basically immortal. -Yes, yes he is. Orbach the Night King of Westgate.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-22-08, 07:00 PM	I could swear Rich Baker mentioning that Fzoul will be around in 4E, but with a different role.
Lord Karsus 02-23-08, 12:20 AM	I could swear Rich Baker mentioning that Fzoul will be around in 4E, but with a different role. -Oh, the mystery...
Khaelieth 02-23-08, 11:23 AM	-If -The original Manshoon is dead. His death triggered the Manshoon clone wars. Begun, the Clone Wars have.
Passivearmada 02-24-08, 11:33 AM	I think maybe Fzoul should clone himself, too. Then we'll have a clone war. :emp: :mage: :fight!: :v: :fight!: :mage: :emp: Oh, and Semmemmon, too, along with Scullya Darkhope. (I think that's her name).
Lord Karsus 02-24-08, 11:50 AM	Oh, and Semmemmon, too, along with Scullya Darkhope. (I think that's her name). -Sememmon probably does have clones of himself, stashed somewhere. Isn't the current Sememmon a clone?
Old Sage 02-24-08, 08:02 PM	His body is a clone created by Manshoon and is in fact the sixth one that this evil archmage has bestowed upon Sememmon in their long association.
Lord Karsus 02-24-08, 08:05 PM	His body is a clone created by Manshoon and is in fact the sixth one that this evil archmage has bestowed upon Sememmon in their long association. -Yes, which is why he's "lost his fear of death", and possibly love.
Old Sage 02-24-08, 08:28 PM	Perhaps. It should be noted that events such as the sacrifice of the Blackstaff have opened his eyes to the choices he could have made that would not have led to him becoming the Lord of Darkhold. So whilst he has many regrets and is a changed man in the truest sense of the word, he is too proud to admit his mistakes and instead hides behind a cold, aloof exterior.
Charles Phipps 02-24-08, 08:50 PM	Fzoul has eternal youth from the aid of Manshoon according to RoZK.
MarkusTay63 02-25-08, 01:53 PM	'Clone' sounds too Sci-Fi for me... I prefer to think of them as Humonculi. :D
Old Sage 02-25-08, 06:45 PM	I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-25-08, 06:51 PM	I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable. You could argue, though, that that's what everyone is.:P
Old Sage 02-25-08, 07:03 PM	'Magical vessel' is also an alternative term -- for Alias-styled clones.
Da3mon 02-25-08, 10:16 PM	-Yes, yes he is. Orbach the Night King of Westgate. Where can I read about this king?
Lord Karsus 02-25-08, 11:14 PM	I don't mind the term 'clone' in a fantasy setting. But I've also used 'construct' to refer to some types of clones in my Realms as well. 'Living construct' is also somewhat applicable. -There's so many variations on the theme. Where can I read about this king? -Orbach? Lord of Darkness has the most information on him and the Night Masks.
Old Sage 02-26-08, 12:36 AM	And Cloak & Dagger as well.
Lord Karsus 02-26-08, 12:50 AM	-And, neither one of them are easy to get, truthfully. Gotta order both online.