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Rerednaw 03-09-08, 01:46 PM	Given the disparity that results in game play whenever these start appearing and the market for CCG's, I'm wondering why the powers that be don't simply have a 'campaign card purchase' website. Instead of giving the money to ebay and private collectors, wouldn't WoTC/RPGA want a $hare of the profit$? That way everyone who wants to buy one, can get one. And not shell out the $$$ to go to a con for a chance of having one...or relying on the inherent erratic pricing and availability of ebay if travel is not an option? I'd prefer that there wouldn't be any difference in rarity and that all cards would have a flat pricing...but that isn't the nature of a CCG beast. So for example: charge $1 for commons, 5$ for uncommons and $10 for rares? To start people off...give everyone the same cutsheet set (of 6 or 8 cards) to anyone who buys the set of the core 3 books? Special mail-in offer? Just a thought...
MwaO 03-09-08, 02:12 PM	Ick. I'd want to stay far, far, far away from that model... They should be a bonus similar to free minis - something that's nice, but not essential to have. The only way they're making money by selling them is if they're making cards that are essential. The reason that Not This Time or a few other cards sell well on eBay is that they can be essential. I'm hoping cards are not in LR.
RanielK 03-09-08, 04:58 PM	Ick. I'd want to stay far, far, far away from that model... They should be a bonus similar to free minis - something that's nice, but not essential to have. The only way they're making money by selling them is if they're making cards that are essential. The reason that Not This Time or a few other cards sell well on eBay is that they can be essential. I'm hoping cards are not in LR. Yeah, I've been fortunate that I've either gotten in lots of play (thus points thus cards) or been able to volunteer at GenCon or DDXP and gotten both the con only promos and the latest set of reward cards. The only card I've used with anything near consistency? The Kobold card for my Greyhawk Ruins character who is currently shelved while I try to get my main to retirement. As for cards, they will by in LFR. There were creation cards given as prizes for the delve. And the Undermountain bit last year ended with folks getting a cert that gives them an extra card slot (presumably to make the creation card "free").
Keith53 03-09-08, 06:04 PM	Given the disparity that results in game play whenever these start appearing and the market for CCG's, I'm wondering why the powers that be don't simply have a 'campaign card purchase' website. Instead of giving the money to ebay and private collectors, wouldn't WoTC/RPGA want a $hare of the profit$? The short answer is no. I think you missed the point, the campaign cards are printed and distributed to players and GMs as a reward for RPGA play and GM service. Play more, get more. What the RPGA wants to encourage (and reward) is more game play. Giving opportunities to the more affluent gamers to get the same benefits without the game play would undercut their program. The promo cards provide a reward for a specific Event or activity which the RPGA wants to hype. This program was started by Ian some time ago to replace the old die bump awards and is not unique to LFR or any particular RPGA campaign. Keith
MatteBlack 03-09-08, 06:48 PM	I am fine with the cards being there to reward participation and help promote special events. I wish they were more equally useful and balanced to the game and perhaps it was a bit easier to get ahold of some of the special event cards but, I'd rather they didn't cross that line where we directly pay $s to WotC or RPGA for rules access.
Rerednaw 03-10-08, 10:06 AM	The short answer is no. I think you missed the point, the campaign cards are printed and distributed to players and GMs as a reward for RPGA play and GM service. Play more, get more. What the RPGA wants to encourage (and reward) is more game play. Giving opportunities to the more affluent gamers to get the same benefits without the game play would undercut their program. The promo cards provide a reward for a specific Event or activity which the RPGA wants to hype. This program was started by Ian some time ago to replace the old die bump awards and is not unique to LFR or any particular RPGA campaign. Keith I do appreciate the official answer. My response is that I can only relate the intent versus my firsthand experience. I have about 3 cards I use in LG. The others (a huge stack?) Bookmarks. Nice bookmarks to be sure... People who have more money can go to cons. People who don't, can't get the 'special' rewards cards directly. In effect, affluence is being rewarded. None of the cards I use were rewards (only about 200 points worth, I haven't run/played that much). I had to ebay to get them. Was the intent? I tried to entice more (new to d&d) players into LG with the cards I had...and all of these people asked "why bother, these cards are useless." In the end, it was the global model of play that got them in, they could have cared less about the reward cards. Of course I immediately asked if I could have them. :p If the cards are not to be made more available, then I'd at least like to see the end of disparity in power level between them. That's wishful thinking I realize, but this is a fantasy game after all. I can dream. In the defense of the program. Getting at least something in the mail for just playing is nice. It doesn't have to be done at all I do appreciate the gesture. I'm only saying getting something you could use in the game would be better.
waytoomuchcoffee 03-10-08, 10:29 AM	I am fine with the cards being there to reward participation and help promote special events. I wish they were more equally useful and balanced to the game and perhaps it was a bit easier to get ahold of some of the special event cards but, I'd rather they didn't cross that line where we directly pay $s to WotC or RPGA for rules access. Um, we already DO pay them for rules access. In LG for example you couldn't play with a rule in a splat book without owning it.
MatteBlack 03-10-08, 11:32 AM	Um, we already DO pay them for rules access. In LG for example you couldn't play with a rule in a splat book without owning it. OK, paying for the access to use the books we already own. In the current system, you can get by with having a borrowed book and I am all for that because you need to have those rules on hand for reference sake. Paying for individual access very much makes the living campaigns pay to play instead of just respecting copyrights. It's not really a philosophy I'd like to spark in the campaign's administrators because it could quickly get carried away.
Dempster 03-10-08, 01:13 PM	I think this is a road we do not want to start down. I can just see RPGA in 10 years when you have to buy gold and equipment with real world cash like that Maple Story online RPG. future conversation at a con Gamer1: Hey, I haven't seen you around in a while. Gamer2 :Yeh, I have been working weekends at Pizza Pig so I can buy that sunsword for Falstaff. Gamer 1: I sold my car so I could get a staff of death for my 23rd level balor necrophiliac dark paladin. Man I love 7th edition.