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MarkusTay63 02-10-08, 08:15 PM	When you banish a fiend, or any extraplanar creature for that matter, back to whence it came, how long does it have to stay there? I was under the impression that it was 100 years, because of something I read in a Drizzt novel, but now I can't find it in the Spell description. I also vaguely remember something about "a year and a day" - was that perhaps the duration of the less powerful Dismissal? Any and all help is appreciated --- Mark
Lord Karsus 02-11-08, 01:17 AM	-I believe that when an extraplanar creature is summoned, as Errtu was, and then defeated, it is banished for 100 years. If the extraplanar creatures comes to the Material Plane willingly, and is killed, he's dead. Like the Trio Nefarious. -If a mage summons an extraplanar creature, I'm sure there's a way to 'bar' it from the Material Plane for an amount of time.
Red_Wizard 02-12-08, 10:04 AM	Ok, without looking, IIRC, Demons when killed on the Prime, suffer a 101 year banishment back to the Abyss. This happens only if they come to the plane willingly, so summoning doesn't count They can only truly die in the Abyss, unless otherwise noted such as in the Fiendbinder PrC. -RW
Stigger 02-12-08, 07:57 PM	And just to confuse matters, I seem to recall Wendonai being banished for at least 1,000 years by some means... best answer is probably, "It depends" more than anything else.
Shemeska the Marauder 02-13-08, 02:18 AM	Generally speaking, it takes as long as it takes them to reform back on their home plane if they were "killed" outside of it, or if they were banished/dismissed, then it just takes as long as it takes them to find a portal back or cast a planeshift or gate. There's no set "banishment" time for all fiends. At various points, some novels have used particular times, but there hasn't been a codified (or explained in terms of fluff) stricture about banishment times, and under what circumstances. Generally speaking: Demons - no actual set banishment time beyond whatever period (if any) it would take them to reform on their home plane if they had been killed. Yugoloths - no banishment time, though they have some actual rules regarding what castes reform upon "death", and how long that can take. Devils (Baatezu) - IIRC, Fiendish Codex II set a time, which was more a self-imposed rule the baatezu had for themselves to punish failure within their ranks.
Zanan 02-13-08, 09:33 AM	Going by the Fiendish Codex I (p.8), it looks as if there are "three versions of deaths" for demons. First, if they are gated in or came to say the Material Plane by other ways than summon monster XYZ spells and die, they are send back to the Abyss and may face demotion and another turn on the demonic advancement cycle. Second, if they are summoned by the namesake spell and get killed, nothing happens to them in the Abyss and they return there essentially unharmed. Third, if they get killed on home soil, they are virually gone forever. No word is said in the FC about banishments though, much like Shem said. Dunno why they keep sticking to this medieval a-year-and-a-day thing though.
Mister_Mxyztplk 02-18-08, 12:44 AM	Generally speaking, it takes as long as it takes them to reform back on their home plane if they were "killed" outside of it, or if they were banished/dismissed, then it just takes as long as it takes them to find a portal back or cast a planeshift or gate. There's no set "banishment" time for all fiends. At various points, some novels have used particular times, but there hasn't been a codified (or explained in terms of fluff) stricture about banishment times, and under what circumstances. Generally speaking: Demons - no actual set banishment time beyond whatever period (if any) it would take them to reform on their home plane if they had been killed. Yugoloths - no banishment time, though they have some actual rules regarding what castes reform upon "death", and how long that can take. Devils (Baatezu) - IIRC, Fiendish Codex II set a time, which was more a self-imposed rule the baatezu had for themselves to punish failure within their ranks. Where can one find the rules for Yugoloth reformation?
Shemeska the Marauder 02-18-08, 12:58 AM	Where can one find the rules for Yugoloth reformation? Faces of Evil: The Fiends Though the details for Dergholoths are covered in Dungeon 150 (if killed on the lower planes, they reform within 1d3 days, but if killed outside of the lower planes, their essence migrates back but is absorbed by their native plane rather than coalescing to reform them).
Mister_Mxyztplk 02-18-08, 01:10 AM	Faces of Evil: The Fiends Though the details for Dergholoths are covered in Dungeon 150 (if killed on the lower planes, they reform within 1d3 days, but if killed outside of the lower planes, their essence migrates back but is absorbed by their native plane rather than coalescing to reform them). Thank you. Ive never heard of that book, Ill have to look for it sometime. :)
Purple Dragon Knight 02-18-08, 01:19 AM	Funny this topic came up... two nights ago I was rifling through all my 3.5 books trying to find the actual rules on outsider or extraplanar creatures "true deaths on home plane" or "temporary deaths on other planes" and I could find NOTHING... Thank you Zanan (for your info on Codex 1); now I know where to look for that info! Cheers! :D