Bringing Spheres Back? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bringing Spheres Back? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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The_Shaman
02-09-07, 07:07 PM Hi, I was - and remain - a fan of the more "personalized" divine spellcasting that seemed to exist in earlier versions, and had the pet idea of reconverting the divine spells into old spheres (from 2nd edition), so as to prevent ideas like a cleric of Lliira casting destruction and have clerics be at least slighly different depending on their mythos. This is a work in progress, and if you think that it's senseless I will discontinue it. On the other hand, I hope that you will help me consider a variant for divine spellcasters that will make them easier to play.

So far I only have covered the cleric spells of up to lvl 6 from the PHB. Here they are:

All: guidance, purify food and water, mending (0) Bless, Bless Water/curse water; Detect X (1) deific vengeance, spiritual weapon (2) ? Weapon of the deity (3), Castigate, Lesser Visage of the Deity,Recitation, Imbue w. spell-like ability (4), atonement (5), Visage of the Deity (6), Greater Visage of the Deity, Miracle (9)

Animal: know direction, naturewatch (0), Camouflage, Calm animal, Charm animal, detect animals and plants, detect snares and pits, hawkeye, hide from animals, Jump, Longstrider, Magic Fang, speak with animals, traveler's mount (1) Summon nature’s ally (1-9), Animal Messenger, Animal Trance, bear's endurance, bull's strength, cat's grace, fox's cunning, owl's wisdom, eagle's charisma, hold animal, reduce animal, spider climb, scent, summon swarm (2), infestation of maggots**, dominate animal, greater magic fang, nature's favor, water breathing (3), beast claws, freedom of movement (ok, dubious), Mass camouflage, languor **, giant vermin, repel vermin, winged mount* (4) animal growth (rev?), awaken, baleful polymorph, commune with nature, insect plague, phantom stag, plague of rats**, quill blast (5) curse of lycanthropy**, antilife shell, enveloping cocoon, mass strength/dex/con…, tortoise shell (6), repulsion, creeping doom (7) animal shapes, Mass awaken, phantom wolf (8), antipathy (rev), Phantom bear, nature's avatar, shapechange (9)

Astral: Dim. Anchor (4), dismissal (4), plane shift, subvert planar essence (5), dreamsight, banishment (6), Ethereal Jaunt (7), Improved Blink, Dimensional Lock (8), Astral Projection, Etherealness (9)

Charm: Cause fear, Command, remove fear (1), Bolts of bedevilment, calm emotions, curse of ill fortune (rev)**, E.splendor/owl wisdom/fox’s cunning, enthrall, hold person, zone of silence, break paralysis (rev), touch of madness, wave of grief (2), bestow curse (rev), rem. Curse (3) ?Freedom of movement, break enchantment ( rev), G command (5) geas/quest (6), Greater bestow curse (7), maddening scream, true domination**(8), monstantrous thrall, antipathy, (rev) (9)

Combat: Bane, Divine Sacrifice, golden barding*, magic weapon (1) align weapon (2), Bear/Bull/Cat’s dex, shatter, sound burst, spiritual weapon (2), Blessed aim, Blast of force**, prayer (3), Bane bow*, castigate, divine power, greater M. Weapon, flamestrike?? (4) divine agility, righteous might (5), Bolt of Glory, Zealot's Pact (6), Brilliant Aura** Blasphemy/Dictum/Holy Word/W. of Chaos, Destruction, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful(7), Crown of Glory** Firestorm (8) Implosion (9)

Creation: Create Water (0), beget bogun**, Wood wose** magic stone, magic weapon (1), make whole (2), create food & water (3) Bottle of smoke**, greater M.Weapon (4), wall of stone (5) cometfall**, crumble (rev)**, animate object, heroes’ feast (6), destruction (rev) (7) True Creation (8), Otyugh swarm**, Pavilion of Grandeur, Implosion (rev), Unbinding (rev) (9)

Divination: detect magic, detect poison, read magic (0) Comprehend languages, Omen of peril** (1), Augury, conceal alignment (rev) (2), find traps, status, zone of truth (2) detect favourite enemy*, Invisibil. Purge, Mark of the hunter*, Locate object, Phantasmal decoy (rev)** speak w. dead, obscure object (rev), telepathic bond (lesser) (3) Discern lies, Divination, forestfold (rev) nondetection (rev), Implacable pursuer*/**, sending, tongues (4) commune, scrying, true seeing (5) dreamsight, Phantasmal disorientation (rev), find the path, probe thoughts**, stone tell (6), Greater scrying (7) Brain spider, discern location (8) shadow landscape (rev)**, foresight (9)

Elemental: Create Water (0), obscuring mist, produce flame, sandblast (1), Chill metal, creeping cold, Fire Trap, Flame Blade, Flaming sphere, fog cloud, heat metal, resist energy, soften earth and stone (2), call lightning, continual flame, fire wings, flame of faith, meld into stone, stone shape, w. brething, water walk, wind wall, quench, sleet storm, spike growth, standing wave (3) air walk, control water, energy vortex, ice storm, murderous mist, rusting grasp, spike stones (4), call lightning storm, control winds, dragon breath, Flame strike, wind walk, stoneskin, Transform rock to mud (rev),wall of fire (5), cloudwalkers, fire seeds, fires of purity, move earth, tidal surge, wall of stone (6), Creeping cold, Wind Walk, Earthquake, Firestorm, water spout (8/7), repel metal or stone, whirlwind, maelstrom, storm of elemental fury (8) elemental swarm, obedient avalanche, Storm of Vengeance, greater whirlwind (9)
- note: conjurations could also be elemental spells if an elemental creature is summoned

Guardian: Resistance (0), Entropic Shield, sanctuary (1) consecrate/desecrate, shield other, silence, status, conceal alignment, zeal (2), Glyph of Warding, magic circle from X (3) Death ward, dim. anchor (4), mark of justice, symbol of pain/sleep, stalwart pact (5) blade barrier, forbiddance, glyph of guarding, greater, symbol of fear/persuasion (6), Refuge, repulsion, symbol of stunning/weakness (7) symbol of death/insanity (8)

Healing: Cure minor wounds + (light, medium, serious, critical, etc + mass versions)(0), Vigor+ line (1), decomposition (rev), rem. Paralysis , (2), wrack (rev) (3), poison (rev) (4), dance of the unicorn**, Rejuvenating cocoon** (5) miasma (rev), contageous touch (rev) (6), mass cure/influct, heal/harm, regenerate, scourge (rev), slime wave (rev) (7)

Necromancy: Bane, Deathwatch, hide f. undead (1) Aid, consecrate/desecrate, gentle repose, Restoration (lesser) (2) animate dead, bestow curse, blindness/deafness, contagion, rem. Blindness/deathness, rem. Curse, rem. Disease, speak w. dead (3) last breath**, Death ward, restoration, reincarnate, revenance** (4) Disrupting weapon, raise dead, slay living (5) create undead, undeath to death (6),regenerate, G. restoration, resurrect(7) death pact, Create G. undead (8) Energy Drain, Soul bind, True Resurrection(9)

Plant: naturewatch (0), Beget Bogun, detect animals and plants, detect snares and pits, entangle, goodberry, Pass without Trace, Shillelagh(1) Barkskin, brambles, briar web, warp wood, wood shape, tree shape (2), diminish plant (rev), snare, speak w. plants (3), antiplant shell, blight, command plants (4), awaken, commune with nature, tree stride, wall of thorns (5) antilife shell, ironwood, liveoak, repel wood, spellstaff, poison thorns, transport via plants (6), animate plants, changestaff, repulsion, poison vines, transm. metal to wood (7), control plants (8) Shambler, Unyielding roots (9)

Protection: Resistance, Virtue (0), Endure Elements, Ent. Shield, Prot. From alignment, sanctuary, resurgence, shield of Faith (1) Barkskin? Resist energy, shield other, (2) Blessing of Bahamut, Dispel Magic, M. circle vs alignment, magic vestment, pr. From energy (3) Freedom of Movement??, repel vermin, resurgence mass, spell immunity (4) Dispel (alignment), hallow/unhallow, spell resistance (5), antilife shell, greater dispel magic, word of recall (6), repulsion, renewal pact, spell resistance mass (7) antimagic field, cloak of chaos/holy aura/shield of Law/unholy aura, greater spell immunity, word of recall (8)

Summon: Summon creature (all), summon swarm (2) Giant vermin, Lesser planar ally (4), S. nature’s all, planar ally (6),Greater Planar ally (8) Gate (9)
- note: conjurations can be elemental, plant, animal or other spells, but in this case the choice of creatures is limited.

Sun: light, flare (0), Nimbus of light (1), Body of the Sun, daylight / darkness (rev) (2), searing light (3), d. darkness, doomtide (rev, 4), Anger of the Noonday Sun (6) sunbeam (7) sunburst (8)

Weather: Faerie Fire, Obscuring mist (1) cloudburst, fog cloud, sound burst, gust of wind(2) call lightning, wind wall, sleet storm (3), air walk, Weather eye (4) binding winds, call lightning storm (5), Control Weather, storm tower(7) Reverse gravity, maelstrom, storm rage (8?) Obedient avalanche, shadow landscape** , Greater whirlwind(9)

More will come with time. I'm not sure how to treat the domains in 3.0 in order to allow greater versatility, but perhaps this will come with dealing with the druids, rangers, and paladins. I thank you in advance for your patience and - hopefully - cooperation.

*: requires a certain class feature, such as animal companion, mount, favored enemy, etc.
**: a domain spell or spell that should be beyond the usual sphere allowance for the spellcasters it was allowed for.
The_Shaman
02-09-07, 07:12 PM Reserved for druidic spellcasting

- elemental spells are usu. 1 level lower for druids
- healing spells are 1+ level higher
- whenever possible, use the handbook to determine levels
The_Shaman
02-09-07, 07:15 PM Reserved for paladin spellcasting
The_Shaman
02-09-07, 07:17 PM Reserved for ranger spellcasting - similar to druid

- Plant, Elemental spells at -1 level
- Healing spells at +1 lvl
Cthulhu
02-10-07, 01:25 PM Why would you need to create spheres for druids, rangers, and paladins?

In the original all divine spells were categorized into spheres that all classes accessed. You didn't have a seperate list of spheres for druid spells or ranger spells. A nature cleric used the same Plant sphere as a Druid or a Ranger.

:) Just trying to save you some work!
The_Shaman
02-10-07, 07:35 PM Yeah, but I'm not sure how it'd work with spells that were different levels for different classes (I think there were a few) or typical spells like holy sword. I may group them all together in the end, mind you.
Azar_of_Faerun
02-12-07, 02:16 AM Not a big fan of this. I like the current freedom of the spell system Clerics have, and if you so desire for your character to roleplay aspects of his piety, just change your spell list to suit this.
The_Shaman
02-16-07, 07:29 PM Bump! Druids done.
GothicDan
02-17-07, 09:04 AM I loved the Sphere system and am all for making each deity more specialized/personalized in the spells he grants his clergy.
MerrikCale
02-17-07, 09:10 AM I loved the Sphere system and am all for making each deity more specialized/personalized in the spells he grants his clergy.

I agree with GD. It makes logically sense that each deity would grants certain spells for their followers only. They have don't this only partly with "domains" but the spheres are a whole different class of "personalization". Nice work by the way Shaman.
The_Shaman
02-17-07, 04:11 PM Thank you. By the way, I'm a bit unsure about a few typically paladin or ranger spells, such as holy sword or exacting shot. Would it be acceptable that two new spheres (say, hunter and champion) be introduced for such spells? I think that a cleric of lvl 7 is not mean to be able to cast Holy Sword and end up with a +7 weapon, imo.
Stigger
02-17-07, 08:32 PM Always figured that the spell specialization could be accomplished more easily through altering Initiate feats a bit to make them more like the 2e specialist priests. But I never really did care for the spheres all that much, greatly preferring the domain system.
The_Shaman
03-03-07, 08:33 PM Bump... anyone still interested in the project?
The_Shaman
03-22-07, 09:35 PM Bump
Hawkfeather
03-23-07, 04:36 PM Bump... anyone still interested in the project?

Well, I am. Just like GD and Merrik Cale, I prefer the old spheres system. The lack of priest "personalization" annoy me (I am a huge fan of the 2nd edition's specialty priests; I know they were a "little" bit overpowered, but they had style).

Just let me make a suggestion: I my opinion, the spheres shoud be more equivalent in number of spells. But I don't know if this can be done, since most spells clearly "belongs" to a certain sphere.
The_Shaman
03-23-07, 10:16 PM I suppose it can happen if we include some of the domain spells in the spheres, too. It would still be somewhat unequal, but I don't think they were equal to begin with.

I'm worried about some paladin and ranger spells, though. Giving clerics Holy Sword at lvl 7 may be a bit too much, unless it's something like a lvl 6+ spell for them.
The_Shaman
12-23-07, 07:48 PM Bump. Complete Divine spells have been added.
Green Elven Vampire
12-23-07, 07:54 PM Always figured that the spell specialization could be accomplished more easily through altering Initiate feats a bit to make them more like the 2e specialist priests. But I never really did care for the spheres all that much, greatly preferring the domain system.

I'm with you on this. Just alter the Initiate feats and you're there.

I took the Initiate of Silvanus feat and vamped it into a Initiate of Rillifane Rallathil feat.
The_Shaman
12-24-07, 09:56 AM By the way, as a way to differentiate the class lists a little better, should the summon monster line be moved or duplicated in the astral sphere? After all, it deals with transdimensional calling, unlike the Summon Nature's Ally line.
msatran
12-24-07, 10:01 AM The only sphere I want in my D+D game is the Sphere of Annihilation that consumes 4th edition and everything about it.
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 07:25 AM Not a big fan of this. I like the current freedom of the spell system Clerics have, and if you so desire for your character to roleplay aspects of his piety, just change your spell list to suit this.

-But, why would a deity who prefers to work "quietly", such as, say, Mask, grant his followers the spell "Big, Bag, Loud Explosions"? For a special purpose, sure, but, as an everyday kinda thing...?
Rauric
12-26-07, 08:09 AM What angered me with 3.5 was their were NOOOOOO PRCs for Mask, and NOOOOOO Initiate Feats. We got Initiate Feats for every other god and their mother (PRCs too) but none for Mask. Just a personal hatred thing going on with me and 3.5 for that. Carry on. ;)
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 08:49 AM What angered me with 3.5 was their were NOOOOOO PRCs for Mask, and NOOOOOO Initiate Feats. We got Initiate Feats for every other god and their mother (PRCs too) but none for Mask. Just a personal hatred thing going on with me and 3.5 for that. Carry on. ;)

-Every other deity!? The entire Seldarine was skipped over!
The_Shaman
12-26-07, 11:20 AM Most non-standard pantheons got snubbed, iirc. It's true that elves got hit the worst feat-wise, but there weren't many PrCs for the dwarven or halfling pantheon, either.
Rauric
12-27-07, 09:35 AM I just figured since Talos, Shar, Mystra were given feats that Mask should have had a writeup as well. I think Nature deities got one so it was always just a pet peeve.
Stigger
12-27-07, 09:36 AM Mask are crap, so no love for him.
Lord Karsus
12-27-07, 01:45 PM Mask are crap, so no love for him.

-He is certainly very prominent in a lot of relative recent events (Time of Troubles, the Shadow Storm, the Sojourner).
Stigger
12-27-07, 06:59 PM Nah, he's still are crap. Brandobaris FTW.
The_Shaman
12-27-07, 08:45 PM I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously. I like Mask, myself - one of my favourite evil deities. I hope he'd accidentally find his swords in Cyric's back one day soon.

Anyway, I'm thinking of doing CAdv as well. I'm a little split about the lorecall spells though... Should they be divinations? animal-based? combat? I'm leaning towards the first, to be honest.
Lord Karsus
12-28-07, 02:07 AM I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously.

-What's so hard to believe about them, taking them in context with what they are, and everything?
The_Shaman
12-28-07, 04:54 AM What I meant is that I always imagined them with rather limited following, mostly among the respective race. The common deities, on the other hand, supposedly have a wider appeal and more adherents.
Stigger
12-28-07, 06:41 AM I've had a few human PCs go with Brandobaris actually... great god for goodly rogues.
Lord Karsus
12-28-07, 06:52 AM What I meant is that I always imagined them with rather limited following, mostly among the respective race.

-Well, that's why they are racial deities! :P

-Why would...a Thri-Keen want to worship Gruumsh, the Orc-Father- who preaches the racial superiority of Orcs, and the inferiority of everything else- when, say, generic ol' Talos is around as well.
Rauric
12-29-07, 08:02 AM I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously. I like Mask, myself - one of my favourite evil deities. I hope he'd accidentally find his swords in Cyric's back one day soon.

Mask was an evil deity I could see lots of folks getting behind, even nonevil folks. Plus when you die you don't get stuck with a total Butthead for a boss.
Sure he is tricky and lies to ya and is deceptive, but he won't whip ya or make ya hang with spiders OR talk about Loss all day long and depress the hell outta ya. He just wants you to steal and give him his share. Not too shabby of a deal if that is what ya did in the living world.

I hope after Kemp's novels he steals Intrigue and Illusion back from Cyric so he can match up with Shar. At least steal intrigue by showing that he was hiding Leira the whole time to screw with Cyric. Then SHE can reclaim the Illusion title and Mask can work with her, or be her boss and she can be his saint or lesser power or somesuch.
Stigger
12-29-07, 02:11 PM Now that's an interesting idea with Mask and Leira Rauric... gotta think about that and maybe swipe it from you at some point. :D
Rauric
12-29-07, 10:43 PM No problemo. I am a huge Mask fan. He might have been behind Mystra's death as well. Maybe he manipulated Shar somehow into using Cyric. Perhaps their evil act will cause them so much turmoil that Mask can slip in and get what he wants from them?

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The_Shaman 02-09-07, 07:07 PM	Hi, I was - and remain - a fan of the more "personalized" divine spellcasting that seemed to exist in earlier versions, and had the pet idea of reconverting the divine spells into old spheres (from 2nd edition), so as to prevent ideas like a cleric of Lliira casting destruction and have clerics be at least slighly different depending on their mythos. This is a work in progress, and if you think that it's senseless I will discontinue it. On the other hand, I hope that you will help me consider a variant for divine spellcasters that will make them easier to play. So far I only have covered the cleric spells of up to lvl 6 from the PHB. Here they are: All: guidance, purify food and water, mending (0) Bless, Bless Water/curse water; Detect X (1) deific vengeance, spiritual weapon (2) ? Weapon of the deity (3), Castigate, Lesser Visage of the Deity,Recitation, Imbue w. spell-like ability (4), atonement (5), Visage of the Deity (6), Greater Visage of the Deity, Miracle (9) Animal: know direction, naturewatch (0), Camouflage, Calm animal, Charm animal, detect animals and plants, detect snares and pits, hawkeye, hide from animals, Jump, Longstrider, Magic Fang, speak with animals, traveler's mount (1) Summon nature’s ally (1-9), Animal Messenger, Animal Trance, bear's endurance, bull's strength, cat's grace, fox's cunning, owl's wisdom, eagle's charisma, hold animal, reduce animal, spider climb, scent, summon swarm (2), infestation of maggots, dominate animal, greater magic fang, nature's favor, water breathing (3), beast claws, freedom of movement (ok, dubious), Mass camouflage, languor , giant vermin, repel vermin, winged mount* (4) animal growth (rev?), awaken, baleful polymorph, commune with nature, insect plague, phantom stag, plague of rats, quill blast (5) curse of lycanthropy, antilife shell, enveloping cocoon, mass strength/dex/con…, tortoise shell (6), repulsion, creeping doom (7) animal shapes, Mass awaken, phantom wolf (8), antipathy (rev), Phantom bear, nature's avatar, shapechange (9) Astral: Dim. Anchor (4), dismissal (4), plane shift, subvert planar essence (5), dreamsight, banishment (6), Ethereal Jaunt (7), Improved Blink, Dimensional Lock (8), Astral Projection, Etherealness (9) Charm: Cause fear, Command, remove fear (1), Bolts of bedevilment, calm emotions, curse of ill fortune (rev), E.splendor/owl wisdom/fox’s cunning, enthrall, hold person, zone of silence, break paralysis (rev), touch of madness, wave of grief (2), bestow curse (rev), rem. Curse (3) ?Freedom of movement, break enchantment ( rev), G command (5) geas/quest (6), Greater bestow curse (7), maddening scream, true domination(8), monstantrous thrall, antipathy, (rev) (9) Combat: Bane, Divine Sacrifice, golden barding, magic weapon (1) align weapon (2), Bear/Bull/Cat’s dex, shatter, sound burst, spiritual weapon (2), Blessed aim, Blast of force, prayer (3), Bane bow, castigate, divine power, greater M. Weapon, flamestrike?? (4) divine agility, righteous might (5), Bolt of Glory, Zealot's Pact (6), Brilliant Aura Blasphemy/Dictum/Holy Word/W. of Chaos, Destruction, Righteous Wrath of the Faithful(7), Crown of Glory Firestorm (8) Implosion (9) Creation: Create Water (0), beget bogun, Wood wose magic stone, magic weapon (1), make whole (2), create food & water (3) Bottle of smoke, greater M.Weapon (4), wall of stone (5) cometfall, crumble (rev), animate object, heroes’ feast (6), destruction (rev) (7) True Creation (8), Otyugh swarm, Pavilion of Grandeur, Implosion (rev), Unbinding (rev) (9) Divination: detect magic, detect poison, read magic (0) Comprehend languages, Omen of peril** (1), Augury, conceal alignment (rev) (2), find traps, status, zone of truth (2) detect favourite enemy, Invisibil. Purge, Mark of the hunter, Locate object, Phantasmal decoy (rev)** speak w. dead, obscure object (rev), telepathic bond (lesser) (3) Discern lies, Divination, forestfold (rev) nondetection (rev), Implacable pursuer/, sending, tongues (4) commune, scrying, true seeing (5) dreamsight, Phantasmal disorientation (rev), find the path, probe thoughts, stone tell (6), Greater scrying (7) Brain spider, discern location (8) shadow landscape (rev), foresight (9) Elemental: Create Water (0), obscuring mist, produce flame, sandblast (1), Chill metal, creeping cold, Fire Trap, Flame Blade, Flaming sphere, fog cloud, heat metal, resist energy, soften earth and stone (2), call lightning, continual flame, fire wings, flame of faith, meld into stone, stone shape, w. brething, water walk, wind wall, quench, sleet storm, spike growth, standing wave (3) air walk, control water, energy vortex, ice storm, murderous mist, rusting grasp, spike stones (4), call lightning storm, control winds, dragon breath, Flame strike, wind walk, stoneskin, Transform rock to mud (rev),wall of fire (5), cloudwalkers, fire seeds, fires of purity, move earth, tidal surge, wall of stone (6), Creeping cold, Wind Walk, Earthquake, Firestorm, water spout (8/7), repel metal or stone, whirlwind, maelstrom, storm of elemental fury (8) elemental swarm, obedient avalanche, Storm of Vengeance, greater whirlwind (9) - note: conjurations could also be elemental spells if an elemental creature is summoned Guardian: Resistance (0), Entropic Shield, sanctuary (1) consecrate/desecrate, shield other, silence, status, conceal alignment, zeal (2), Glyph of Warding, magic circle from X (3) Death ward, dim. anchor (4), mark of justice, symbol of pain/sleep, stalwart pact (5) blade barrier, forbiddance, glyph of guarding, greater, symbol of fear/persuasion (6), Refuge, repulsion, symbol of stunning/weakness (7) symbol of death/insanity (8) Healing: Cure minor wounds + (light, medium, serious, critical, etc + mass versions)(0), Vigor+ line (1), decomposition (rev), rem. Paralysis , (2), wrack (rev) (3), poison (rev) (4), dance of the unicorn, Rejuvenating cocoon* (5) miasma (rev), contageous touch (rev) (6), mass cure/influct, heal/harm, regenerate, scourge (rev), slime wave (rev) (7) Necromancy: Bane, Deathwatch, hide f. undead (1) Aid, consecrate/desecrate, gentle repose, Restoration (lesser) (2) animate dead, bestow curse, blindness/deafness, contagion, rem. Blindness/deathness, rem. Curse, rem. Disease, speak w. dead (3) last breath, Death ward, restoration, reincarnate, revenance (4) Disrupting weapon, raise dead, slay living (5) create undead, undeath to death (6),regenerate, G. restoration, resurrect(7) death pact, Create G. undead (8) Energy Drain, Soul bind, True Resurrection(9) Plant: naturewatch (0), Beget Bogun, detect animals and plants, detect snares and pits, entangle, goodberry, Pass without Trace, Shillelagh(1) Barkskin, brambles, briar web, warp wood, wood shape, tree shape (2), diminish plant (rev), snare, speak w. plants (3), antiplant shell, blight, command plants (4), awaken, commune with nature, tree stride, wall of thorns (5) antilife shell, ironwood, liveoak, repel wood, spellstaff, poison thorns, transport via plants (6), animate plants, changestaff, repulsion, poison vines, transm. metal to wood (7), control plants (8) Shambler, Unyielding roots (9) Protection: Resistance, Virtue (0), Endure Elements, Ent. Shield, Prot. From alignment, sanctuary, resurgence, shield of Faith (1) Barkskin? Resist energy, shield other, (2) Blessing of Bahamut, Dispel Magic, M. circle vs alignment, magic vestment, pr. From energy (3) Freedom of Movement??, repel vermin, resurgence mass, spell immunity (4) Dispel (alignment), hallow/unhallow, spell resistance (5), antilife shell, greater dispel magic, word of recall (6), repulsion, renewal pact, spell resistance mass (7) antimagic field, cloak of chaos/holy aura/shield of Law/unholy aura, greater spell immunity, word of recall (8) Summon: Summon creature (all), summon swarm (2) Giant vermin, Lesser planar ally (4), S. nature’s all, planar ally (6),Greater Planar ally (8) Gate (9) - note: conjurations can be elemental, plant, animal or other spells, but in this case the choice of creatures is limited. Sun: light, flare (0), Nimbus of light (1), Body of the Sun, daylight / darkness (rev) (2), searing light (3), d. darkness, doomtide (rev, 4), Anger of the Noonday Sun (6) sunbeam (7) sunburst (8) Weather: Faerie Fire, Obscuring mist (1) cloudburst, fog cloud, sound burst, gust of wind(2) call lightning, wind wall, sleet storm (3), air walk, Weather eye (4) binding winds, call lightning storm (5), Control Weather, storm tower(7) Reverse gravity, maelstrom, storm rage (8?) Obedient avalanche, shadow landscape** , Greater whirlwind(9) More will come with time. I'm not sure how to treat the domains in 3.0 in order to allow greater versatility, but perhaps this will come with dealing with the druids, rangers, and paladins. I thank you in advance for your patience and - hopefully - cooperation. : requires a certain class feature, such as animal companion, mount, favored enemy, etc. *: a domain spell or spell that should be beyond the usual sphere allowance for the spellcasters it was allowed for.
The_Shaman 02-09-07, 07:12 PM	Reserved for druidic spellcasting - elemental spells are usu. 1 level lower for druids - healing spells are 1+ level higher - whenever possible, use the handbook to determine levels
The_Shaman 02-09-07, 07:15 PM	Reserved for paladin spellcasting
The_Shaman 02-09-07, 07:17 PM	Reserved for ranger spellcasting - similar to druid - Plant, Elemental spells at -1 level - Healing spells at +1 lvl
Cthulhu 02-10-07, 01:25 PM	Why would you need to create spheres for druids, rangers, and paladins? In the original all divine spells were categorized into spheres that all classes accessed. You didn't have a seperate list of spheres for druid spells or ranger spells. A nature cleric used the same Plant sphere as a Druid or a Ranger. :) Just trying to save you some work!
The_Shaman 02-10-07, 07:35 PM	Yeah, but I'm not sure how it'd work with spells that were different levels for different classes (I think there were a few) or typical spells like holy sword. I may group them all together in the end, mind you.
Azar_of_Faerun 02-12-07, 02:16 AM	Not a big fan of this. I like the current freedom of the spell system Clerics have, and if you so desire for your character to roleplay aspects of his piety, just change your spell list to suit this.
The_Shaman 02-16-07, 07:29 PM	Bump! Druids done.
GothicDan 02-17-07, 09:04 AM	I loved the Sphere system and am all for making each deity more specialized/personalized in the spells he grants his clergy.
MerrikCale 02-17-07, 09:10 AM	I loved the Sphere system and am all for making each deity more specialized/personalized in the spells he grants his clergy. I agree with GD. It makes logically sense that each deity would grants certain spells for their followers only. They have don't this only partly with "domains" but the spheres are a whole different class of "personalization". Nice work by the way Shaman.
The_Shaman 02-17-07, 04:11 PM	Thank you. By the way, I'm a bit unsure about a few typically paladin or ranger spells, such as holy sword or exacting shot. Would it be acceptable that two new spheres (say, hunter and champion) be introduced for such spells? I think that a cleric of lvl 7 is not mean to be able to cast Holy Sword and end up with a +7 weapon, imo.
Stigger 02-17-07, 08:32 PM	Always figured that the spell specialization could be accomplished more easily through altering Initiate feats a bit to make them more like the 2e specialist priests. But I never really did care for the spheres all that much, greatly preferring the domain system.
The_Shaman 03-03-07, 08:33 PM	Bump... anyone still interested in the project?
The_Shaman 03-22-07, 09:35 PM	Bump
Hawkfeather 03-23-07, 04:36 PM	Bump... anyone still interested in the project? Well, I am. Just like GD and Merrik Cale, I prefer the old spheres system. The lack of priest "personalization" annoy me (I am a huge fan of the 2nd edition's specialty priests; I know they were a "little" bit overpowered, but they had style). Just let me make a suggestion: I my opinion, the spheres shoud be more equivalent in number of spells. But I don't know if this can be done, since most spells clearly "belongs" to a certain sphere.
The_Shaman 03-23-07, 10:16 PM	I suppose it can happen if we include some of the domain spells in the spheres, too. It would still be somewhat unequal, but I don't think they were equal to begin with. I'm worried about some paladin and ranger spells, though. Giving clerics Holy Sword at lvl 7 may be a bit too much, unless it's something like a lvl 6+ spell for them.
The_Shaman 12-23-07, 07:48 PM	Bump. Complete Divine spells have been added.
Green Elven Vampire 12-23-07, 07:54 PM	Always figured that the spell specialization could be accomplished more easily through altering Initiate feats a bit to make them more like the 2e specialist priests. But I never really did care for the spheres all that much, greatly preferring the domain system. I'm with you on this. Just alter the Initiate feats and you're there. I took the Initiate of Silvanus feat and vamped it into a Initiate of Rillifane Rallathil feat.
The_Shaman 12-24-07, 09:56 AM	By the way, as a way to differentiate the class lists a little better, should the summon monster line be moved or duplicated in the astral sphere? After all, it deals with transdimensional calling, unlike the Summon Nature's Ally line.
msatran 12-24-07, 10:01 AM	The only sphere I want in my D+D game is the Sphere of Annihilation that consumes 4th edition and everything about it.
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 07:25 AM	Not a big fan of this. I like the current freedom of the spell system Clerics have, and if you so desire for your character to roleplay aspects of his piety, just change your spell list to suit this. -But, why would a deity who prefers to work "quietly", such as, say, Mask, grant his followers the spell "Big, Bag, Loud Explosions"? For a special purpose, sure, but, as an everyday kinda thing...?
Rauric 12-26-07, 08:09 AM	What angered me with 3.5 was their were NOOOOOO PRCs for Mask, and NOOOOOO Initiate Feats. We got Initiate Feats for every other god and their mother (PRCs too) but none for Mask. Just a personal hatred thing going on with me and 3.5 for that. Carry on. ;)
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 08:49 AM	What angered me with 3.5 was their were NOOOOOO PRCs for Mask, and NOOOOOO Initiate Feats. We got Initiate Feats for every other god and their mother (PRCs too) but none for Mask. Just a personal hatred thing going on with me and 3.5 for that. Carry on. ;) -Every other deity!? The entire Seldarine was skipped over!
The_Shaman 12-26-07, 11:20 AM	Most non-standard pantheons got snubbed, iirc. It's true that elves got hit the worst feat-wise, but there weren't many PrCs for the dwarven or halfling pantheon, either.
Rauric 12-27-07, 09:35 AM	I just figured since Talos, Shar, Mystra were given feats that Mask should have had a writeup as well. I think Nature deities got one so it was always just a pet peeve.
Stigger 12-27-07, 09:36 AM	Mask are crap, so no love for him.
Lord Karsus 12-27-07, 01:45 PM	Mask are crap, so no love for him. -He is certainly very prominent in a lot of relative recent events (Time of Troubles, the Shadow Storm, the Sojourner).
Stigger 12-27-07, 06:59 PM	Nah, he's still are crap. Brandobaris FTW.
The_Shaman 12-27-07, 08:45 PM	I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously. I like Mask, myself - one of my favourite evil deities. I hope he'd accidentally find his swords in Cyric's back one day soon. Anyway, I'm thinking of doing CAdv as well. I'm a little split about the lorecall spells though... Should they be divinations? animal-based? combat? I'm leaning towards the first, to be honest.
Lord Karsus 12-28-07, 02:07 AM	I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously. -What's so hard to believe about them, taking them in context with what they are, and everything?
The_Shaman 12-28-07, 04:54 AM	What I meant is that I always imagined them with rather limited following, mostly among the respective race. The common deities, on the other hand, supposedly have a wider appeal and more adherents.
Stigger 12-28-07, 06:41 AM	I've had a few human PCs go with Brandobaris actually... great god for goodly rogues.
Lord Karsus 12-28-07, 06:52 AM	What I meant is that I always imagined them with rather limited following, mostly among the respective race. -Well, that's why they are racial deities! :P -Why would...a Thri-Keen want to worship Gruumsh, the Orc-Father- who preaches the racial superiority of Orcs, and the inferiority of everything else- when, say, generic ol' Talos is around as well.
Rauric 12-29-07, 08:02 AM	I don't know, I could never take the racial pantheons that seriously. I like Mask, myself - one of my favourite evil deities. I hope he'd accidentally find his swords in Cyric's back one day soon. Mask was an evil deity I could see lots of folks getting behind, even nonevil folks. Plus when you die you don't get stuck with a total Butthead for a boss. Sure he is tricky and lies to ya and is deceptive, but he won't whip ya or make ya hang with spiders OR talk about Loss all day long and depress the hell outta ya. He just wants you to steal and give him his share. Not too shabby of a deal if that is what ya did in the living world. I hope after Kemp's novels he steals Intrigue and Illusion back from Cyric so he can match up with Shar. At least steal intrigue by showing that he was hiding Leira the whole time to screw with Cyric. Then SHE can reclaim the Illusion title and Mask can work with her, or be her boss and she can be his saint or lesser power or somesuch.
Stigger 12-29-07, 02:11 PM	Now that's an interesting idea with Mask and Leira Rauric... gotta think about that and maybe swipe it from you at some point. :D
Rauric 12-29-07, 10:43 PM	No problemo. I am a huge Mask fan. He might have been behind Mystra's death as well. Maybe he manipulated Shar somehow into using Cyric. Perhaps their evil act will cause them so much turmoil that Mask can slip in and get what he wants from them?