Critic requested Archery and Love homebrew Cleric Domains. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Critic requested Archery and Love homebrew Cleric Domains. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mad Mage
07-28-07, 01:25 AM Archery Domain
Deities: Corellon Larethian, Gwaeron Windstrom, Mielikki, Shevarash*, Solonor Thelandria*
Domain Power: You gain proficiency and Weapon Focus with a bow of your choice. You need not meet the prerequisites for these feats.

Note: * = Intended to replace the War Domain for these deities.

1) Woodwhisp Arrow (CoR)
2) Melf's Acid Arrow
3) Flame Arrow
4) Serpent Arrow (CoR)
5) Doublestrike Arrow (CoR)
6) Repel Wood (Bows, Crossbows and their respective ammunition only)
7) Archer's Aim (**New spell described below)
8) Prismatic Bow (Complete Mage)
9) Might of the Archer (**)

Archer's Aim
Divination
Level: Archery 7
Component: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Area: Self
Duration: 1 round
Saving Throw: N/A
Spell Resistance: N/A

This spell acts as True strike except as follows: Archer's Aim only applies to attack rolls made with ranged weapons and ranged touch attacks. In addition, any attack you make with a ranged weapon acts as if your weapon had the Distance, Seeking, and Speed abilities.

Might of the Archer
Transmutation
Level: Archery 9
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Area: Self
Duration: 1 min./lvl
Saving Throw: N/A
Spell Resistance: N/A

This spell temporarily imbues you with the might of the most powerful archers and warriors in the Realms. For the next 10 rounds, you may attack with any ranged weapon as if you’re base attack bonus was equal to your character level (similar to the Fighter class). You gain additional ranged attacks consistent to a Fighter of your level. In addition, you gain +2 Strength, +4 Dexterity, and +2 Constitution for the duration of the spell. Finally, you are treated as having the following feats for the duration of the spell: Point Blank Shot, Far Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Manyshot and Improved Precise Shot.

Love Domain
Deity: Hanali Selanil, Isis, Sharindalar, Sune
Domain Powers: Once per day, you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration. The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level.
Domain Spells –
1st – Remove Fear
2nd – Shield Other
3rd – Remove Blindness/Deafness
4th – Heroism
5th – Atonement
6th – Heal
7th – Heroism, Greater
8th – Sympathy
9th – Heal, Mass
Mad Mage
07-30-07, 01:57 AM No comments? I mean, is it good? Bad? Needs more cowbell? Needs less pepper? :confused:

:allalone:
Zandilar
07-30-07, 10:19 AM Heya,

Archery Domain

Don't really have much to say about this one.

Love Domain
Deity: Hanali Selanil, Isis, Sharindalar, Sune
Domain Powers: Once per day, you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration. The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level.
Domain Spells –
1st – Remove Fear
2nd – Shield Other
3rd – Remove Blindness/Deafness
4th – Heroism
5th – Atonement
6th – Heal
7th – Heroism, Greater
8th – Sympathy
9th – Heal, Mass

This one needs more cowbell, or more pepper, or both.

With the domain power, I think you could explain it a little better than you have. There's a disconnect between it's description "you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration" and what it actually does "The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level." I think you could explain it better like thus - "you may use a turn undead attempt to instill a friendly target with feelings of paternal/maternal love for all allies around them. This gives the target a +2 divine bonus to saving throws, and makes them immune to hostile emotion-changing effects (including, but not limited to, Calm Emotions, Charm Person, Confusion, Fear, and Insanity) - the target feels very protective of his or her allies and gives them the emotional fortitude to do whatever it takes to make sure they are safe."

(Charm Person is mentioned there because that changes a person's emotions to the point where someone they would ordinarily view as an enemy is seen as a friend. I specified hostile because there are some friendly emotion changing effects that you'd not want your allies immune to - such as Remove Fear, for those targets who were already under a fear effect before the domain power was activated.)

The spell list seems wrong too. It's too focused on healing and abjuration. With tweaking, it would make a GREAT spell list for a Compassion or Mercy type domain.
marius4
07-31-07, 07:44 PM For Archery, they are all spells that affect a single person only...yes? Was that your intent? Wouldn't it be cool to have spells that affect legions of archers and such?? There are a couple in the Spell Compendium (wind tunnel, guiding light, etc.). And is there room (or desire) to fit in any protection from the other guy's archery? Just some questions to think about if you want.

The granted power here is fine. Personally as a player, however, I might prefer having Proficiency in both longbows and shortbows and forgo the Weapon Focus.

For Love, I actually really like the flavor of the spells you chose. They evoke forgiveness, heroism, "love is blind," and similar ideas. Perhaps what Zandilar was getting at was there don't seem to be any Enchantments at all. You may have wanted to stay away from cliche, but maybe you drifted a little too far...? Also, on second look, having both Heal and Mass Heal may be a bit much here.

Regarding the granted power, the idea of using turning attempts is interesting but I don't really get the utility of the ability. Maybe the cleric him or herself could just be immune to emotion-affecting spells. Or maybe grant some type of charm or fascination spell-like ability. Or at least rework the mechanics of this protecting ability.

As a side note, see the Bright Warden prestige class from DragonLance's Holy Orders of the Stars for an effective use of the turning mechanic. And if you might be so kind, perhaps drop a comment on the domains I'm about to post for feedback as well. :)
Zandilar
07-31-07, 08:02 PM Heya,

For Love, I actually really like the flavor of the spells you chose. They evoke forgiveness, heroism, "love is blind," and similar ideas. Perhaps what Zandilar was getting at was there don't seem to be any Enchantments at all. You may have wanted to stay away from cliche, but maybe you drifted a little too far...? Also, on second look, having both Heal and Mass Heal may be a bit much here.

Yes, that is pretty much what I was getting at. I have a feeling Mad Mage was trying to avoid using Enchantment spells in the list because then there would be too much overlap with domains like Pleasure, Joy, and Charm. However, the list, as it stands, with both Heal and Mass Heal is too focused on healing, and not focused enough on the emotion of love. Charm Person (or Monster), Calm Emotions, Heroes' Feast, and (tentatively) Aid would fit on the list, IMHO, while Heal, Mass Heal, and Remove Blindness/Deafness are all out of place. (I am aware that not all my suggested spells are actually direct replacements of similar levels for the ones I'd take out, so it is my opinion that the list needs a complete reworking.)

Regarding the granted power, the idea of using turning attempts is interesting but I don't really get the utility of the ability. Maybe the cleric him or herself could just be immune to emotion-affecting spells. Or maybe grant some type of charm or fascination spell-like ability. Or at least rework the mechanics of this protecting ability.

I'd be inclined to make it a 1/day thing, myself, and not have it expend a turn undead attempt.
Mad Mage
08-01-07, 06:47 PM Yeah, 1/day on the Love domain power probably sounds more appropriate. Been so occupied as of lately, I'm surprised I'm thinking straight.

As far as the Love domain spells, yes, I was hoping to shy away from charming spells, although in my case, I was more concerened with sounding too much like the Charm domain. I don't have access to every single sourcebook in existence, alongside every issue of Dragon that has such. Aid and Calm Emotions, though, were ideas I had, but decided against in favor of the ones I put.

As far as Archery is concerned, I will state again: I don't have current access to everything. I was lucky to have been able to buy Champions of Ruin. No, I'm not poor/destitute or something like that, but I still do have to watch out that I'm not draining my wallet constantly. That, and I was more gearing towards the cleric's capabilities with bows (including crossbows and the greatbow) and spells that seemed to shoot arrows or alter the arrows that are shot.
Zandilar
08-01-07, 06:55 PM Heya,

As far as the Love domain spells, yes, I was hoping to shy away from charming spells, although in my case, I was more concerened with sounding too much like the Charm domain. I don't have access to every single sourcebook in existence, alongside every issue of Dragon that has such. Aid and Calm Emotions, though, were ideas I had, but decided against in favor of the ones I put.

Well I was on the right track. :) There is probably a reason why there isn't a Love domain in existence already - it's just too subjective. People's opinions are always going to differ on what epitomizes love and what doesn't. I mean, I can see how Raise Dead or Resurrection might fit into a Love domain spell list, for example. On the other hand, I can see how a Love domain list might consist entirely of custom spells dealing with emotion - particularly the emotions of happiness, joy, compassion, pleasure, and selflessness.

As far as Archery is concerned, I will state again: I don't have current access to everything. I was lucky to have been able to buy Champions of Ruin. No, I'm not poor/destitute or something like that, but I still do have to watch out that I'm not draining my wallet constantly. That, and I was more gearing towards the cleric's capabilities with bows (including crossbows and the greatbow) and spells that seemed to shoot arrows or alter the arrows that are shot.

If circumstances ever allow, I'd recommend you acquire the Spell Compendium. It's a very useful book with spells drawn from pretty much every source that was published prior to it. It also has an extensive list of domains (and a quick peruse through it reveals no Love domain there either).

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Mad Mage 07-28-07, 01:25 AM	Archery Domain Deities: Corellon Larethian, Gwaeron Windstrom, Mielikki, Shevarash, Solonor Thelandria Domain Power: You gain proficiency and Weapon Focus with a bow of your choice. You need not meet the prerequisites for these feats. Note: * = Intended to replace the War Domain for these deities. 1) Woodwhisp Arrow (CoR) 2) Melf's Acid Arrow 3) Flame Arrow 4) Serpent Arrow (CoR) 5) Doublestrike Arrow (CoR) 6) Repel Wood (Bows, Crossbows and their respective ammunition only) 7) Archer's Aim (New spell described below) 8) Prismatic Bow (Complete Mage) 9) Might of the Archer () Archer's Aim Divination Level: Archery 7 Component: V, S, DF Casting Time: 1 immediate action Range: Personal Area: Self Duration: 1 round Saving Throw: N/A Spell Resistance: N/A This spell acts as True strike except as follows: Archer's Aim only applies to attack rolls made with ranged weapons and ranged touch attacks. In addition, any attack you make with a ranged weapon acts as if your weapon had the Distance, Seeking, and Speed abilities. Might of the Archer Transmutation Level: Archery 9 Components: V, S, DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Area: Self Duration: 1 min./lvl Saving Throw: N/A Spell Resistance: N/A This spell temporarily imbues you with the might of the most powerful archers and warriors in the Realms. For the next 10 rounds, you may attack with any ranged weapon as if you’re base attack bonus was equal to your character level (similar to the Fighter class). You gain additional ranged attacks consistent to a Fighter of your level. In addition, you gain +2 Strength, +4 Dexterity, and +2 Constitution for the duration of the spell. Finally, you are treated as having the following feats for the duration of the spell: Point Blank Shot, Far Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Manyshot and Improved Precise Shot. Love Domain Deity: Hanali Selanil, Isis, Sharindalar, Sune Domain Powers: Once per day, you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration. The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level. Domain Spells – 1st – Remove Fear 2nd – Shield Other 3rd – Remove Blindness/Deafness 4th – Heroism 5th – Atonement 6th – Heal 7th – Heroism, Greater 8th – Sympathy 9th – Heal, Mass
Mad Mage 07-30-07, 01:57 AM	No comments? I mean, is it good? Bad? Needs more cowbell? Needs less pepper? :confused: :allalone:
Zandilar 07-30-07, 10:19 AM	Heya, Archery Domain Don't really have much to say about this one. Love Domain Deity: Hanali Selanil, Isis, Sharindalar, Sune Domain Powers: Once per day, you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration. The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level. Domain Spells – 1st – Remove Fear 2nd – Shield Other 3rd – Remove Blindness/Deafness 4th – Heroism 5th – Atonement 6th – Heal 7th – Heroism, Greater 8th – Sympathy 9th – Heal, Mass This one needs more cowbell, or more pepper, or both. With the domain power, I think you could explain it a little better than you have. There's a disconnect between it's description "you may use a Turn Undead attempt to instead instill a friendly target with feelings of love and admiration" and what it actually does "The subject gains +2 divine bonus to their saving throws and is immune to emotion-changing effects (including confusion, fear and insanity) for 1 minute per level." I think you could explain it better like thus - "you may use a turn undead attempt to instill a friendly target with feelings of paternal/maternal love for all allies around them. This gives the target a +2 divine bonus to saving throws, and makes them immune to hostile emotion-changing effects (including, but not limited to, Calm Emotions, Charm Person, Confusion, Fear, and Insanity) - the target feels very protective of his or her allies and gives them the emotional fortitude to do whatever it takes to make sure they are safe." (Charm Person is mentioned there because that changes a person's emotions to the point where someone they would ordinarily view as an enemy is seen as a friend. I specified hostile because there are some friendly emotion changing effects that you'd not want your allies immune to - such as Remove Fear, for those targets who were already under a fear effect before the domain power was activated.) The spell list seems wrong too. It's too focused on healing and abjuration. With tweaking, it would make a GREAT spell list for a Compassion or Mercy type domain.
marius4 07-31-07, 07:44 PM	For Archery, they are all spells that affect a single person only...yes? Was that your intent? Wouldn't it be cool to have spells that affect legions of archers and such?? There are a couple in the Spell Compendium (wind tunnel, guiding light, etc.). And is there room (or desire) to fit in any protection from the other guy's archery? Just some questions to think about if you want. The granted power here is fine. Personally as a player, however, I might prefer having Proficiency in both longbows and shortbows and forgo the Weapon Focus. For Love, I actually really like the flavor of the spells you chose. They evoke forgiveness, heroism, "love is blind," and similar ideas. Perhaps what Zandilar was getting at was there don't seem to be any Enchantments at all. You may have wanted to stay away from cliche, but maybe you drifted a little too far...? Also, on second look, having both Heal and Mass Heal may be a bit much here. Regarding the granted power, the idea of using turning attempts is interesting but I don't really get the utility of the ability. Maybe the cleric him or herself could just be immune to emotion-affecting spells. Or maybe grant some type of charm or fascination spell-like ability. Or at least rework the mechanics of this protecting ability. As a side note, see the Bright Warden prestige class from DragonLance's Holy Orders of the Stars for an effective use of the turning mechanic. And if you might be so kind, perhaps drop a comment on the domains I'm about to post for feedback as well. :)
Zandilar 07-31-07, 08:02 PM	Heya, For Love, I actually really like the flavor of the spells you chose. They evoke forgiveness, heroism, "love is blind," and similar ideas. Perhaps what Zandilar was getting at was there don't seem to be any Enchantments at all. You may have wanted to stay away from cliche, but maybe you drifted a little too far...? Also, on second look, having both Heal and Mass Heal may be a bit much here. Yes, that is pretty much what I was getting at. I have a feeling Mad Mage was trying to avoid using Enchantment spells in the list because then there would be too much overlap with domains like Pleasure, Joy, and Charm. However, the list, as it stands, with both Heal and Mass Heal is too focused on healing, and not focused enough on the emotion of love. Charm Person (or Monster), Calm Emotions, Heroes' Feast, and (tentatively) Aid would fit on the list, IMHO, while Heal, Mass Heal, and Remove Blindness/Deafness are all out of place. (I am aware that not all my suggested spells are actually direct replacements of similar levels for the ones I'd take out, so it is my opinion that the list needs a complete reworking.) Regarding the granted power, the idea of using turning attempts is interesting but I don't really get the utility of the ability. Maybe the cleric him or herself could just be immune to emotion-affecting spells. Or maybe grant some type of charm or fascination spell-like ability. Or at least rework the mechanics of this protecting ability. I'd be inclined to make it a 1/day thing, myself, and not have it expend a turn undead attempt.
Mad Mage 08-01-07, 06:47 PM	Yeah, 1/day on the Love domain power probably sounds more appropriate. Been so occupied as of lately, I'm surprised I'm thinking straight. As far as the Love domain spells, yes, I was hoping to shy away from charming spells, although in my case, I was more concerened with sounding too much like the Charm domain. I don't have access to every single sourcebook in existence, alongside every issue of Dragon that has such. Aid and Calm Emotions, though, were ideas I had, but decided against in favor of the ones I put. As far as Archery is concerned, I will state again: I don't have current access to everything. I was lucky to have been able to buy Champions of Ruin. No, I'm not poor/destitute or something like that, but I still do have to watch out that I'm not draining my wallet constantly. That, and I was more gearing towards the cleric's capabilities with bows (including crossbows and the greatbow) and spells that seemed to shoot arrows or alter the arrows that are shot.
Zandilar 08-01-07, 06:55 PM	Heya, As far as the Love domain spells, yes, I was hoping to shy away from charming spells, although in my case, I was more concerened with sounding too much like the Charm domain. I don't have access to every single sourcebook in existence, alongside every issue of Dragon that has such. Aid and Calm Emotions, though, were ideas I had, but decided against in favor of the ones I put. Well I was on the right track. :) There is probably a reason why there isn't a Love domain in existence already - it's just too subjective. People's opinions are always going to differ on what epitomizes love and what doesn't. I mean, I can see how Raise Dead or Resurrection might fit into a Love domain spell list, for example. On the other hand, I can see how a Love domain list might consist entirely of custom spells dealing with emotion - particularly the emotions of happiness, joy, compassion, pleasure, and selflessness. As far as Archery is concerned, I will state again: I don't have current access to everything. I was lucky to have been able to buy Champions of Ruin. No, I'm not poor/destitute or something like that, but I still do have to watch out that I'm not draining my wallet constantly. That, and I was more gearing towards the cleric's capabilities with bows (including crossbows and the greatbow) and spells that seemed to shoot arrows or alter the arrows that are shot. If circumstances ever allow, I'd recommend you acquire the Spell Compendium. It's a very useful book with spells drawn from pretty much every source that was published prior to it. It also has an extensive list of domains (and a quick peruse through it reveals no Love domain there either).