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Greek Deities in the Realms [Archive] - Wizards Community

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HxHunter
02-19-07, 08:08 PM I would like to know if there is information of the Greek deities that live in the Realms. Hades seems to live in (a little redundant) Hades, and if I'm not wrong, Umberlee killed Poseidon or something like that.

If there is any source of information:
1) Do these deities have a presence in the Realms in the form of churchs or cults?
2) Is Jergal related to Hades?
Faraer
02-19-07, 08:22 PM 1. No.

2. No. The gods Hades and Poseidon aren't known in the Realms. Hades the D&D neutral evil alignment plane is not Hades the Greek land of the dead.
Stigger
02-19-07, 08:24 PM Canon wise no... but it wouldn't be that hard to make them interloper powers newly arrived on the scene. Wouldn't be canon, but its your game, so do what you want and need to for the sake of your story. :)
BadCatMan
02-19-07, 08:45 PM There are a few names lurking here and there, but mostly unrelated to the ones we know from Greek myth.

Tyche, the Greek goddess of fortune, was a Netherese goddess of fortune. Now she's dead and split into Tymora and Beshaba. (See Netheril.)

Typhon (one of the big monsters of Greek myth, related to volcanoes and snakes) is a rare alias for Set. I suspect something like Typhon lurks in the Smoking Mountains in Unther/Chessenta, where pyrohydra and salamanders live.

Chronos / Kronus / Karonis is an alias for Labelas Enoreth, absorbed by him, and used to be a human god worshipped in a small area of Cormyr a long time ago. This was a god of time and death, and appears to be a fusion of Chronos and Kronus from Greek myth (who were always mistaken identified with one another). (See Demihuman Deities and Four From Cormyr).

St Dionysus is a saint of Ilmater, with an Order devoted to him. He's mentioned in the Bloodstone Lands adventures and sourcebooks and linked to Ilmater in Faiths & Avatars, but very little is known. He's almost certainly not a relation to the Dionysus of Greek myth. I've taken a few aspects of the real Dionysus and combined them with the features of the Friar Tuck like NPC in BL to imagine a Chessentan order of drunken master monks and clerics. :D

The land of Chessenta is vaguely styled after ancient Greece, and is said to have many "hero-cults". They may very well worship a few interloping Greek gods or half-ascended mortals with similar traits, but not with any great magnitude.
The_Shaman
02-19-07, 10:16 PM There are a few parallels that could readily be made. The link between Sune and Aphrodite could easily be made, and perhaps Chauntea can be translated into Gaia / Demeter, etc. Some may be a bit harder, or require use of racial pantheons, though.
MarkusTay63
02-19-07, 11:21 PM I also remember from somewhere that one of Faerun's gods, maybe either Liira or Sune, used Bachae, the revellers of Bachus, which is another name for Dionysius. Plus there's Silvanus, a Roman god of nature, often associated with Pan, the Greek god with similar attributes.
The_Shaman
02-20-07, 09:10 AM In general, it would be more than a bit weird to introduce an entire pantheon, although it could happen in the case of a major cataclysm, like opening a huge gate that brings them in the way the Orc deities were brought in and slaughtered (most of the) Untheric pantheon. I don't know if magic at the present stage of the realms could do it; it would take a mage of Karsian proportions.

As for translating them, here are some ideas about correlations, I don't know how good they are as the familial ties and relationships in the Greek Pantheon are not present in the Realms. I haven't refreshed my Greek mythology recently so I ask to be excused for any gross mishaps

- Apollo --> Lathander as solar deity, patron of the arts and to some degree psysical development.
- Artemis --> Mielikki as nature/hunt deity, Selune as a lunar deity (a later addition to her portfolio, I believe). If the lunar aspects are too strong to ignore, a possible mix of the two is found in Eilistraee; however, Artemis might have a different (TN?) alignment.
- Hera: her position as a matron of the pantheon is hard to translate in the non-racial pantheons; the Mulhorandi Isis can be close as can the dwarven Berronar. The motherhood theme could be vaguely traced to Selune, while the nobility to Siamorphe, with the second being imo a (slightly) better fit.
- Ares: Garagos might be most appropriate as a deity specifically of fury and, very often, defeated; Tempus if we accept Ares as a deity of war in general.
- Athena: in her martial aspect, she would be similar to the Red Knight. The knowledgeable aspect steps on the toes of the cult of Deneir, however, and she is also the patron of various crafts that are a bit hard to include. Her overall connection with civilization could even imply a link to Tyr.
- Hephestus: Gond, more or less. There's a slightly more mechanical bend to Gond's creations, but Hephestus was a deity of a less advanced age.
- Hermes: well, beats me. The messenger function is useless since all deities have their own heralds (although Aasterinian is close, but afaik she is sometimes considered an aspect of Hlal), his patronage of the shepherds is quite specific, and may fall under Chauntea, and his patronage of athletics and to some degree thievery could loosely fit Tymora or the various trickster deities (Erevan Ilesere, Vergadain, Hlal, or Brandobaris).
- Poseidon: Umberlee rather lacks royal majesty that I'd expect from one of the more powerful greek deities, while Valkur is rather specialized (although patron of the seafarers was a major role in Poseidon's benevolent aspect). Deep Sashelas is quite specific, but may be a better fit, as would Talos (Poseidon was also tied to earthquakes, which could be extended to other natural disasters) but for the very strong lightning aspect.

Hope that helps
TomCosta
02-20-07, 03:18 PM When Ed first created the Realms, he drew the pantheon from multiple sources including Greek myth. Tyche began as the Greek goddess and Sune began as Aphrodite. Over time they changed somewhat. So now the gods of the Realms are not the Greek gods, but the author of the Realms was inspired by some of those same gods.

That said in 1E and 2E, the Realms used the same cosmology as Greyhawk and in that cosmology all the gods from the REalms, Greyhawk, and real myths lived in that cosmology. They knew each other and interacted. This was best developd in the Planescape campaign setting. So make of that what you will.

As for St. Dionysius. I do believe he began as the god Dionysius if you look at the descriptions of Friar Dugald in the old H series of modules to some extent, but that wasn't too clear and he was appropriately IMHO morphed into a saint of Ilmater.
Shemeska the Marauder
02-20-07, 04:37 PM That said in 1E and 2E, the Realms used the same cosmology as Greyhawk and in that cosmology all the gods from the REalms, Greyhawk, and real myths lived in that cosmology. They knew each other and interacted. This was best developd in the Planescape campaign setting. So make of that what you will.

Yes, and it was confirmed that Tyche of the Netherese/Faerunian pantheon was in fact the very same Tyche of the Greek Pantheon (see 'On Hallowed Ground'). Toril has a fine history of interloper gods: Tyr from the Norse pantheon, Loviatar from the Finnish pantheon, most of the Egyptian and Babylonian pantheons, and a large number of others.
MarkusTay63
02-20-07, 05:37 PM - Hermes: well, beats me. The messenger function is useless since all deities have their own heralds (although Aasterinian is close, but afaik she is sometimes considered an aspect of Hlal), his patronage of the shepherds is quite specific, and may fall under Chauntea, and his patronage of athletics and to some degree thievery could loosely fit Tymora or the various trickster deities (Erevan Ilesere, Vergadain, Hlal, or Brandobaris).Actualy, of all the Gods I could pick from, Hermes would be the one most needed in the Realms. As you have so cleverly pointed out, the other niches are all pretty much filled. He is really a god of medicine, and his rod Caduceus is symbol for the modern medical profession.

Some aspect of Hermes appears in almost all ancient religions, including Celtic and Egyptian. This is why his portfolio is so dispersed, he has absorbed the aspects of all similar gods he has come in contact with, more so then any of the other Greek gods. Originally the God Tehuti (http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml)(and he had even earlier incarnations), he has had the names Hermes, Mercury, Thoth, and dozens of others from other cultures that have been lost. This ancient aspect actually has him as one of the greater gods, having dominion over wisdom. Later, this evolved into medicine and healing (as a set of 'deeper' knowledge known only to his priests).

It would be easy to use him as a "God of speedy recovery", maybe give his clerics double healing and less combat-oriented skills. His is one of the few Pagan traditions that survives until modern times, called Hermetic Philosophy. Unfortunately, he would almost be like a cross between Ilmater and Azuth using him thusly. Perhaps as a secret society of priest-healers, living in secluded monastaries (with lists of many of Faerun's 'lost' portals, so that they may go where they are needed, i.e. wherever there is suffering). That would take care of the 'hidden knowledge' portion of his portfolio and tie it into his healing aspect. Still too much Ilmater there, although Ed borrowed more from Newhon's Issek for that god.

Still, I think out of all of them he would be able to fit-in the best.
see
02-20-07, 07:10 PM Ed Greenwood's article in Dragon issue #54 based a few of the Realms gods' 1e stats on those of a few 1e Greek gods, as follows:

CHAUNTEA The goddess of agriculture is a rewritten Demeter (DDG, p. 68); she has no shape change ability, and lessened offensive powers.

GOND Gond is Hephaestus (DDG, p. 70) renamed. He is an inventor and artisan, as well as a smith.

MASK The Lord of Shadows, sometimes called “The Thieves’ God,” is a rewritten Hermes (DDG, p. 71) stripped of justice and caduceus.

SUNE Aphrodite (DDG, p. 64) renamed; the ultimate in charisma.

TYCHE Lady Luck is fickle, and not great in power; she helps those who help themselves. Her powers are drawn from those of Tyche (DDG, p. 74) and Bes (DDG, p. 51); she has all of Tyche’s powers but that of the blue stone, and only one of Bes’s powers[.]

(Tyche was later renamed Tymora, and then a new backstory created. Beshaba already existed in the pantheon, and was Tyche's rival, which clearly has changed since.)

The H series of modules started, of course, before they were set in FR, and so "St. Dionysus" got imported with its hard-drinking cleric.

Now that the saint is officially part of Ilmater's faith, he probably resembles the historical Christian bishop and martyr St. Dionysus (also called Denis, Denys, and Dennis) rather more than the Greek god. St. Dionysus was a bishop of Paris beheaded with a sword. He is one of the "Fourteen Holy Helpers" invoked to relieve suffering by various ailments; St. Dionysus's intercession is traditionally considered especially effective in curing headaches.

(This, of course, means in RW history the saint was frequently invoked to cure the pain caused by hangovers and blows to the head in bar brawls, which return-links him to the Friar Tuck-ish monk in the H module series who liked to drink and brawl.)
The_Shaman
02-21-07, 10:35 AM Actualy, of all the Gods I could pick from, Hermes would be the one most needed in the Realms. As you have so cleverly pointed out, the other niches are all pretty much filled. He is really a god of medicine, and his rod Caduceus is symbol for the modern medical profession.

Some aspect of Hermes appears in almost all ancient religions, including Celtic and Egyptian. This is why his portfolio is so dispersed, he has absorbed the aspects of all similar gods he has come in contact with, more so then any of the other Greek gods. Originally the God Tehuti (http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml)(and he had even earlier incarnations), he has had the names Hermes, Mercury, Thoth, and dozens of others from other cultures that have been lost. This ancient aspect actually has him as one of the greater gods, having dominion over wisdom. Later, this evolved into medicine and healing (as a set of 'deeper' knowledge known only to his priests).

It would be easy to use him as a "God of speedy recovery", maybe give his clerics double healing and less combat-oriented skills. His is one of the few Pagan traditions that survives until modern times, called Hermetic Philosophy. Unfortunately, he would almost be like a cross between Ilmater and Azuth using him thusly. Perhaps as a secret society of priest-healers, living in secluded monastaries (with lists of many of Faerun's 'lost' portals, so that they may go where they are needed, i.e. wherever there is suffering). That would take care of the 'hidden knowledge' portion of his portfolio and tie it into his healing aspect. Still too much Ilmater there, although Ed borrowed more from Newhon's Issek for that god.

Still, I think out of all of them he would be able to fit-in the best.

For whatever reason, I usually equated most spheres related to healing (and medicine) more with Asclepius (wouldn't be the only demigod in the pantheon) and to a degree, Apollo. Wiki, unreliable source though it is, mentions that the original Hypocratic oath referred to Apollo as "Apollo the Physician" and places him alongside Asclepius. Hermes in his other incarnations could cover the portfolio, but in the Greek mythology he probably wouldn't.
Mulan Rogue
02-21-07, 03:40 PM In the novel Evermeet: Island of the Elves, Malar kills Herne the Hunter out in the planes somewhere.
Paragon_of_Tyr
02-24-07, 01:19 PM If there were - it would most likely be in Chessenta, the City States equivalent in the Realms of Ancient Greece.

Hoar = Zeus?
Lathander = Apollo
Anhur = Mars?
Waukeen = Mercury

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HxHunter 02-19-07, 08:08 PM	I would like to know if there is information of the Greek deities that live in the Realms. Hades seems to live in (a little redundant) Hades, and if I'm not wrong, Umberlee killed Poseidon or something like that. If there is any source of information: 1) Do these deities have a presence in the Realms in the form of churchs or cults? 2) Is Jergal related to Hades?
Faraer 02-19-07, 08:22 PM	1. No. 2. No. The gods Hades and Poseidon aren't known in the Realms. Hades the D&D neutral evil alignment plane is not Hades the Greek land of the dead.
Stigger 02-19-07, 08:24 PM	Canon wise no... but it wouldn't be that hard to make them interloper powers newly arrived on the scene. Wouldn't be canon, but its your game, so do what you want and need to for the sake of your story. :)
BadCatMan 02-19-07, 08:45 PM	There are a few names lurking here and there, but mostly unrelated to the ones we know from Greek myth. Tyche, the Greek goddess of fortune, was a Netherese goddess of fortune. Now she's dead and split into Tymora and Beshaba. (See Netheril.) Typhon (one of the big monsters of Greek myth, related to volcanoes and snakes) is a rare alias for Set. I suspect something like Typhon lurks in the Smoking Mountains in Unther/Chessenta, where pyrohydra and salamanders live. Chronos / Kronus / Karonis is an alias for Labelas Enoreth, absorbed by him, and used to be a human god worshipped in a small area of Cormyr a long time ago. This was a god of time and death, and appears to be a fusion of Chronos and Kronus from Greek myth (who were always mistaken identified with one another). (See Demihuman Deities and Four From Cormyr). St Dionysus is a saint of Ilmater, with an Order devoted to him. He's mentioned in the Bloodstone Lands adventures and sourcebooks and linked to Ilmater in Faiths & Avatars, but very little is known. He's almost certainly not a relation to the Dionysus of Greek myth. I've taken a few aspects of the real Dionysus and combined them with the features of the Friar Tuck like NPC in BL to imagine a Chessentan order of drunken master monks and clerics. :D The land of Chessenta is vaguely styled after ancient Greece, and is said to have many "hero-cults". They may very well worship a few interloping Greek gods or half-ascended mortals with similar traits, but not with any great magnitude.
The_Shaman 02-19-07, 10:16 PM	There are a few parallels that could readily be made. The link between Sune and Aphrodite could easily be made, and perhaps Chauntea can be translated into Gaia / Demeter, etc. Some may be a bit harder, or require use of racial pantheons, though.
MarkusTay63 02-19-07, 11:21 PM	I also remember from somewhere that one of Faerun's gods, maybe either Liira or Sune, used Bachae, the revellers of Bachus, which is another name for Dionysius. Plus there's Silvanus, a Roman god of nature, often associated with Pan, the Greek god with similar attributes.
The_Shaman 02-20-07, 09:10 AM	In general, it would be more than a bit weird to introduce an entire pantheon, although it could happen in the case of a major cataclysm, like opening a huge gate that brings them in the way the Orc deities were brought in and slaughtered (most of the) Untheric pantheon. I don't know if magic at the present stage of the realms could do it; it would take a mage of Karsian proportions. As for translating them, here are some ideas about correlations, I don't know how good they are as the familial ties and relationships in the Greek Pantheon are not present in the Realms. I haven't refreshed my Greek mythology recently so I ask to be excused for any gross mishaps - Apollo --> Lathander as solar deity, patron of the arts and to some degree psysical development. - Artemis --> Mielikki as nature/hunt deity, Selune as a lunar deity (a later addition to her portfolio, I believe). If the lunar aspects are too strong to ignore, a possible mix of the two is found in Eilistraee; however, Artemis might have a different (TN?) alignment. - Hera: her position as a matron of the pantheon is hard to translate in the non-racial pantheons; the Mulhorandi Isis can be close as can the dwarven Berronar. The motherhood theme could be vaguely traced to Selune, while the nobility to Siamorphe, with the second being imo a (slightly) better fit. - Ares: Garagos might be most appropriate as a deity specifically of fury and, very often, defeated; Tempus if we accept Ares as a deity of war in general. - Athena: in her martial aspect, she would be similar to the Red Knight. The knowledgeable aspect steps on the toes of the cult of Deneir, however, and she is also the patron of various crafts that are a bit hard to include. Her overall connection with civilization could even imply a link to Tyr. - Hephestus: Gond, more or less. There's a slightly more mechanical bend to Gond's creations, but Hephestus was a deity of a less advanced age. - Hermes: well, beats me. The messenger function is useless since all deities have their own heralds (although Aasterinian is close, but afaik she is sometimes considered an aspect of Hlal), his patronage of the shepherds is quite specific, and may fall under Chauntea, and his patronage of athletics and to some degree thievery could loosely fit Tymora or the various trickster deities (Erevan Ilesere, Vergadain, Hlal, or Brandobaris). - Poseidon: Umberlee rather lacks royal majesty that I'd expect from one of the more powerful greek deities, while Valkur is rather specialized (although patron of the seafarers was a major role in Poseidon's benevolent aspect). Deep Sashelas is quite specific, but may be a better fit, as would Talos (Poseidon was also tied to earthquakes, which could be extended to other natural disasters) but for the very strong lightning aspect. Hope that helps
TomCosta 02-20-07, 03:18 PM	When Ed first created the Realms, he drew the pantheon from multiple sources including Greek myth. Tyche began as the Greek goddess and Sune began as Aphrodite. Over time they changed somewhat. So now the gods of the Realms are not the Greek gods, but the author of the Realms was inspired by some of those same gods. That said in 1E and 2E, the Realms used the same cosmology as Greyhawk and in that cosmology all the gods from the REalms, Greyhawk, and real myths lived in that cosmology. They knew each other and interacted. This was best developd in the Planescape campaign setting. So make of that what you will. As for St. Dionysius. I do believe he began as the god Dionysius if you look at the descriptions of Friar Dugald in the old H series of modules to some extent, but that wasn't too clear and he was appropriately IMHO morphed into a saint of Ilmater.
Shemeska the Marauder 02-20-07, 04:37 PM	That said in 1E and 2E, the Realms used the same cosmology as Greyhawk and in that cosmology all the gods from the REalms, Greyhawk, and real myths lived in that cosmology. They knew each other and interacted. This was best developd in the Planescape campaign setting. So make of that what you will. Yes, and it was confirmed that Tyche of the Netherese/Faerunian pantheon was in fact the very same Tyche of the Greek Pantheon (see 'On Hallowed Ground'). Toril has a fine history of interloper gods: Tyr from the Norse pantheon, Loviatar from the Finnish pantheon, most of the Egyptian and Babylonian pantheons, and a large number of others.
MarkusTay63 02-20-07, 05:37 PM	- Hermes: well, beats me. The messenger function is useless since all deities have their own heralds (although Aasterinian is close, but afaik she is sometimes considered an aspect of Hlal), his patronage of the shepherds is quite specific, and may fall under Chauntea, and his patronage of athletics and to some degree thievery could loosely fit Tymora or the various trickster deities (Erevan Ilesere, Vergadain, Hlal, or Brandobaris).Actualy, of all the Gods I could pick from, Hermes would be the one most needed in the Realms. As you have so cleverly pointed out, the other niches are all pretty much filled. He is really a god of medicine, and his rod Caduceus is symbol for the modern medical profession. Some aspect of Hermes appears in almost all ancient religions, including Celtic and Egyptian. This is why his portfolio is so dispersed, he has absorbed the aspects of all similar gods he has come in contact with, more so then any of the other Greek gods. Originally the God Tehuti (http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml)(and he had even earlier incarnations), he has had the names Hermes, Mercury, Thoth, and dozens of others from other cultures that have been lost. This ancient aspect actually has him as one of the greater gods, having dominion over wisdom. Later, this evolved into medicine and healing (as a set of 'deeper' knowledge known only to his priests). It would be easy to use him as a "God of speedy recovery", maybe give his clerics double healing and less combat-oriented skills. His is one of the few Pagan traditions that survives until modern times, called Hermetic Philosophy. Unfortunately, he would almost be like a cross between Ilmater and Azuth using him thusly. Perhaps as a secret society of priest-healers, living in secluded monastaries (with lists of many of Faerun's 'lost' portals, so that they may go where they are needed, i.e. wherever there is suffering). That would take care of the 'hidden knowledge' portion of his portfolio and tie it into his healing aspect. Still too much Ilmater there, although Ed borrowed more from Newhon's Issek for that god. Still, I think out of all of them he would be able to fit-in the best.
see 02-20-07, 07:10 PM	Ed Greenwood's article in Dragon issue #54 based a few of the Realms gods' 1e stats on those of a few 1e Greek gods, as follows: CHAUNTEA The goddess of agriculture is a rewritten Demeter (DDG, p. 68); she has no shape change ability, and lessened offensive powers. GOND Gond is Hephaestus (DDG, p. 70) renamed. He is an inventor and artisan, as well as a smith. MASK The Lord of Shadows, sometimes called “The Thieves’ God,” is a rewritten Hermes (DDG, p. 71) stripped of justice and caduceus. SUNE Aphrodite (DDG, p. 64) renamed; the ultimate in charisma. TYCHE Lady Luck is fickle, and not great in power; she helps those who help themselves. Her powers are drawn from those of Tyche (DDG, p. 74) and Bes (DDG, p. 51); she has all of Tyche’s powers but that of the blue stone, and only one of Bes’s powers[.] (Tyche was later renamed Tymora, and then a new backstory created. Beshaba already existed in the pantheon, and was Tyche's rival, which clearly has changed since.) The H series of modules started, of course, before they were set in FR, and so "St. Dionysus" got imported with its hard-drinking cleric. Now that the saint is officially part of Ilmater's faith, he probably resembles the historical Christian bishop and martyr St. Dionysus (also called Denis, Denys, and Dennis) rather more than the Greek god. St. Dionysus was a bishop of Paris beheaded with a sword. He is one of the "Fourteen Holy Helpers" invoked to relieve suffering by various ailments; St. Dionysus's intercession is traditionally considered especially effective in curing headaches. (This, of course, means in RW history the saint was frequently invoked to cure the pain caused by hangovers and blows to the head in bar brawls, which return-links him to the Friar Tuck-ish monk in the H module series who liked to drink and brawl.)
The_Shaman 02-21-07, 10:35 AM	Actualy, of all the Gods I could pick from, Hermes would be the one most needed in the Realms. As you have so cleverly pointed out, the other niches are all pretty much filled. He is really a god of medicine, and his rod Caduceus is symbol for the modern medical profession. Some aspect of Hermes appears in almost all ancient religions, including Celtic and Egyptian. This is why his portfolio is so dispersed, he has absorbed the aspects of all similar gods he has come in contact with, more so then any of the other Greek gods. Originally the God Tehuti (http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml)(and he had even earlier incarnations), he has had the names Hermes, Mercury, Thoth, and dozens of others from other cultures that have been lost. This ancient aspect actually has him as one of the greater gods, having dominion over wisdom. Later, this evolved into medicine and healing (as a set of 'deeper' knowledge known only to his priests). It would be easy to use him as a "God of speedy recovery", maybe give his clerics double healing and less combat-oriented skills. His is one of the few Pagan traditions that survives until modern times, called Hermetic Philosophy. Unfortunately, he would almost be like a cross between Ilmater and Azuth using him thusly. Perhaps as a secret society of priest-healers, living in secluded monastaries (with lists of many of Faerun's 'lost' portals, so that they may go where they are needed, i.e. wherever there is suffering). That would take care of the 'hidden knowledge' portion of his portfolio and tie it into his healing aspect. Still too much Ilmater there, although Ed borrowed more from Newhon's Issek for that god. Still, I think out of all of them he would be able to fit-in the best. For whatever reason, I usually equated most spheres related to healing (and medicine) more with Asclepius (wouldn't be the only demigod in the pantheon) and to a degree, Apollo. Wiki, unreliable source though it is, mentions that the original Hypocratic oath referred to Apollo as "Apollo the Physician" and places him alongside Asclepius. Hermes in his other incarnations could cover the portfolio, but in the Greek mythology he probably wouldn't.
Mulan Rogue 02-21-07, 03:40 PM	In the novel Evermeet: Island of the Elves, Malar kills Herne the Hunter out in the planes somewhere.
Paragon_of_Tyr 02-24-07, 01:19 PM	If there were - it would most likely be in Chessenta, the City States equivalent in the Realms of Ancient Greece. Hoar = Zeus? Lathander = Apollo Anhur = Mars? Waukeen = Mercury