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Spelldancer
11-16-07, 07:18 PM I am throwing this out here because I am at a loss of what to really do.
I have a Sunite Priestess who is new to the game. I have never had anything wrong with Sune, in fact she is one of my favorites goddesses. I think the concept of love and romance can play in with a heroic fantasy game.

The only problem is that the player is focusing more on the more carnal aspects of the faith. I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex. I know Sunites can be hedonists, and I don't have an issue with that.
What I do have issues with is that her role playing has turned into nothing more than a trollop.
So I am at a loss of what to do for her. This is a bit different than a table top game, as its a mud. While I don't have any personal issues with mudsex, I do when that is the only reason why a character logs in to play, and helps to fuel that misconception that Sunites are nymphos.

So can anyone give me some advice on how to try to nudge the player to a better role, without chasing her away?

We've tried some divine manisfestations, as well as having some of the clergy talk to her about her actions. She just does not seem to get it. So I am curious what you all might come up with.
Stigger
11-16-07, 07:42 PM Might try the whole 'other faces of love' thing, bring up how love of country, love of friends, love of family play into Sune's dogma. As to passion, point out that there's more to it than just the physical... not exactly FR, or even D&D, but if you can get a pdf of the Kithbook:Satyrs for Changeling: The Dreaming, it has a really good section on passion and how it can work, or maybe pass on the recommendation to her to take a look at it. I found it very helpful for defining Sune's church in regards to the Passion portfolio in my campaign. I mean, it could be she just never really considered the portfolio and just needs some inspiration on how to approach it differently.
The_Shaman
11-16-07, 08:09 PM I am throwing this out here because I am at a loss of what to really do.
I have a Sunite Priestess who is new to the game. I have never had anything wrong with Sune, in fact she is one of my favorites goddesses. I think the concept of love and romance can play in with a heroic fantasy game.

The only problem is that the player is focusing more on the more carnal aspects of the faith. I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex. I know Sunites can be hedonists, and I don't have an issue with that.
What I do have issues with is that her role playing has turned into nothing more than a trollop.
So I am at a loss of what to do for her. This is a bit different than a table top game, as its a mud. While I don't have any personal issues with mudsex, I do when that is the only reason why a character logs in to play, and helps to fuel that misconception that Sunites are nymphos.

So can anyone give me some advice on how to try to nudge the player to a better role, without chasing her away?

We've tried some divine manisfestations, as well as having some of the clergy talk to her about her actions. She just does not seem to get it. So I am curious what you all might come up with.

Hooo-boy. Has she read and understood the Faiths and Pantheons article about Sune's dogma? As a chosen messenger of Sune she's supposed to promote all kinds of love, not just physical intimacy...

I'd probably give the cleric a job - a quest, as it were. One of Sune's portfolios is creation and protection of things of beauty, so maybe a mission to safeguard a relic of the faith (ideally one where the cleric will have to use her other gifts) would be a good idea. Ideally, make it something that one would not immediately recognize as beautiful or sensual in any physical way - perhaps some artwork or mechanical schematics, or even its creator. Perhaps she will learn more about her deity and the concepts of beauty and love that way. As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune.

OOC, does the character have any interest in RL mythologies? Sune seems closely based on Aphrodite, who as a goddess of beauty in its variant forms (among other things) might be a good inspiration for the player.
Mula
11-16-07, 11:37 PM As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune.
My thoughts too. Maybe Sharess approaches the character in some way, and the priestess converts. Subtly or dramatically. Probably dramatically, judging by your description. :D

However, if you'd prefer the overly sexual themes to simply stop, you'll have to speak with the player directly and make clear that you don't want that in your game.
MerrikCale
11-17-07, 10:56 AM I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex.

it is? Try telling that to Cinemax
Craig C.
11-17-07, 12:56 PM Reeling-in clerics who are going overboard with certain religious-based RP angles are often easy to address.

Since right off the bat, a cleric is part of a more strategic-based organization (the clergy of her deity), she is subject to the influence of her superiors. By bringing into the game her immediate report within the clergy hierarchy, her way of RP'ing in-game behaviour can be shifted enough to get her out of her bad habits ... hopefully without too much railroading or negative impact on her playing enjoyment.
BadCatMan
11-17-07, 07:08 PM This is an online game, right? So the player is really a guy, looking to fulfill certain fantasies, and not of the D&D kind.

Talk to the player, tell them to rein it in or leave, or convert to Sharess.
The_Shaman
11-17-07, 08:12 PM I thought the player is female, from that "without chasing her away" thing. It would be strange, I'd also have thought guys are more likely to do that kind of "roleplaying." I guess I must be a sexist in that regard :P .
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
11-17-07, 09:38 PM This is an online game, right? So the player is really a guy, looking to fulfill certain fantasies, and not of the D&D kind.

*laughs*

Yeah, you might have to talk with this person directly, since he/she is apparently not "getting it" via the subtle approach.
Todesherr
11-18-07, 02:44 AM *laughs*

Yeah, you might have to talk with this person directly, since he/she is apparently not "getting it" via the subtle approach.

Sune is a wimp. I mean, she is unfit for title of Greater Power...:mad:
Stigger
11-18-07, 11:04 AM Yeah, that whole Love thing (love of country, love of family, love of friends, etc) is really overblown, can't be that many people into it. Then that passion thing (stirring people to create great works of art and beauty, inspiring new philosophies, and pretty much just moving the world)... garbage. Beauty's pretty overrated too... just a bloody waste she is. :P
Todesherr
11-18-07, 11:19 AM Yeah, that whole Love thing (love of country, love of family, love of friends, etc) is really overblown, can't be that many people into it. Then that passion thing (stirring people to create great works of art and beauty, inspiring new philosophies, and pretty much just moving the world)... garbage. Beauty's pretty overrated too... just a bloody waste she is. :P

Reason, Intellect and Rationality...

;)
Stigger
11-18-07, 11:34 AM Are not mutually exclusive with Love, Beauty, and/or Passion... unless you're taking very narrow views of those things. ;)
Book
11-18-07, 05:05 PM Reeling-in clerics who are going overboard with certain religious-based RP angles are often easy to address.

Since right off the bat, a cleric is part of a more strategic-based organization (the clergy of her deity), she is subject to the influence of her superiors. By bringing into the game her immediate report within the clergy hierarchy, her way of RP'ing in-game behaviour can be shifted enough to get her out of her bad habits ... hopefully without too much railroading or negative impact on her playing enjoyment.
This is the best way to handle this problem. All clerics have bosses, even in chaoticly aligned religions.
Spelldancer
11-18-07, 05:46 PM Hooo-boy. Has she read and understood the Faiths and Pantheons article about Sune's dogma? As a chosen messenger of Sune she's supposed to promote all kinds of love, not just physical intimacy...

I'd probably give the cleric a job - a quest, as it were. One of Sune's portfolios is creation and protection of things of beauty, so maybe a mission to safeguard a relic of the faith (ideally one where the cleric will have to use her other gifts) would be a good idea. Ideally, make it something that one would not immediately recognize as beautiful or sensual in any physical way - perhaps some artwork or mechanical schematics, or even its creator. Perhaps she will learn more about her deity and the concepts of beauty and love that way. As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune.

OOC, does the character have any interest in RL mythologies? Sune seems closely based on Aphrodite, who as a goddess of beauty in its variant forms (among other things) might be a good inspiration for the player.

Thanks for your input. The character has been doing a good job, other than this small issue. Thinking over your creative (and some silly) answers to my question, this one sparked me the most. I think that I might try something like this with her. If that does not work, then yea looks like I will have to bring in the high priest. Was just hoping to do it in a quieter way, where the player's light bulb goes off.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
11-18-07, 08:01 PM Are not mutually exclusive with Love, Beauty, and/or Passion... unless you're taking very narrow views of those things. ;)

Agreed. People aren't robots.

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Spelldancer 11-16-07, 07:18 PM	I am throwing this out here because I am at a loss of what to really do. I have a Sunite Priestess who is new to the game. I have never had anything wrong with Sune, in fact she is one of my favorites goddesses. I think the concept of love and romance can play in with a heroic fantasy game. The only problem is that the player is focusing more on the more carnal aspects of the faith. I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex. I know Sunites can be hedonists, and I don't have an issue with that. What I do have issues with is that her role playing has turned into nothing more than a trollop. So I am at a loss of what to do for her. This is a bit different than a table top game, as its a mud. While I don't have any personal issues with mudsex, I do when that is the only reason why a character logs in to play, and helps to fuel that misconception that Sunites are nymphos. So can anyone give me some advice on how to try to nudge the player to a better role, without chasing her away? We've tried some divine manisfestations, as well as having some of the clergy talk to her about her actions. She just does not seem to get it. So I am curious what you all might come up with.
Stigger 11-16-07, 07:42 PM	Might try the whole 'other faces of love' thing, bring up how love of country, love of friends, love of family play into Sune's dogma. As to passion, point out that there's more to it than just the physical... not exactly FR, or even D&D, but if you can get a pdf of the Kithbook:Satyrs for Changeling: The Dreaming, it has a really good section on passion and how it can work, or maybe pass on the recommendation to her to take a look at it. I found it very helpful for defining Sune's church in regards to the Passion portfolio in my campaign. I mean, it could be she just never really considered the portfolio and just needs some inspiration on how to approach it differently.
The_Shaman 11-16-07, 08:09 PM	I am throwing this out here because I am at a loss of what to really do. I have a Sunite Priestess who is new to the game. I have never had anything wrong with Sune, in fact she is one of my favorites goddesses. I think the concept of love and romance can play in with a heroic fantasy game. The only problem is that the player is focusing more on the more carnal aspects of the faith. I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex. I know Sunites can be hedonists, and I don't have an issue with that. What I do have issues with is that her role playing has turned into nothing more than a trollop. So I am at a loss of what to do for her. This is a bit different than a table top game, as its a mud. While I don't have any personal issues with mudsex, I do when that is the only reason why a character logs in to play, and helps to fuel that misconception that Sunites are nymphos. So can anyone give me some advice on how to try to nudge the player to a better role, without chasing her away? We've tried some divine manisfestations, as well as having some of the clergy talk to her about her actions. She just does not seem to get it. So I am curious what you all might come up with. Hooo-boy. Has she read and understood the Faiths and Pantheons article about Sune's dogma? As a chosen messenger of Sune she's supposed to promote all kinds of love, not just physical intimacy... I'd probably give the cleric a job - a quest, as it were. One of Sune's portfolios is creation and protection of things of beauty, so maybe a mission to safeguard a relic of the faith (ideally one where the cleric will have to use her other gifts) would be a good idea. Ideally, make it something that one would not immediately recognize as beautiful or sensual in any physical way - perhaps some artwork or mechanical schematics, or even its creator. Perhaps she will learn more about her deity and the concepts of beauty and love that way. As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune. OOC, does the character have any interest in RL mythologies? Sune seems closely based on Aphrodite, who as a goddess of beauty in its variant forms (among other things) might be a good inspiration for the player.
Mula 11-16-07, 11:37 PM	As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune. My thoughts too. Maybe Sharess approaches the character in some way, and the priestess converts. Subtly or dramatically. Probably dramatically, judging by your description. :D However, if you'd prefer the overly sexual themes to simply stop, you'll have to speak with the player directly and make clear that you don't want that in your game.
MerrikCale 11-17-07, 10:56 AM	I've tried speaking to her about how love is more than just sex. it is? Try telling that to Cinemax
Craig C. 11-17-07, 12:56 PM	Reeling-in clerics who are going overboard with certain religious-based RP angles are often easy to address. Since right off the bat, a cleric is part of a more strategic-based organization (the clergy of her deity), she is subject to the influence of her superiors. By bringing into the game her immediate report within the clergy hierarchy, her way of RP'ing in-game behaviour can be shifted enough to get her out of her bad habits ... hopefully without too much railroading or negative impact on her playing enjoyment.
BadCatMan 11-17-07, 07:08 PM	This is an online game, right? So the player is really a guy, looking to fulfill certain fantasies, and not of the D&D kind. Talk to the player, tell them to rein it in or leave, or convert to Sharess.
The_Shaman 11-17-07, 08:12 PM	I thought the player is female, from that "without chasing her away" thing. It would be strange, I'd also have thought guys are more likely to do that kind of "roleplaying." I guess I must be a sexist in that regard :P .
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-17-07, 09:38 PM	This is an online game, right? So the player is really a guy, looking to fulfill certain fantasies, and not of the D&D kind. laughs Yeah, you might have to talk with this person directly, since he/she is apparently not "getting it" via the subtle approach.
Todesherr 11-18-07, 02:44 AM	laughs Yeah, you might have to talk with this person directly, since he/she is apparently not "getting it" via the subtle approach. Sune is a wimp. I mean, she is unfit for title of Greater Power...:mad:
Stigger 11-18-07, 11:04 AM	Yeah, that whole Love thing (love of country, love of family, love of friends, etc) is really overblown, can't be that many people into it. Then that passion thing (stirring people to create great works of art and beauty, inspiring new philosophies, and pretty much just moving the world)... garbage. Beauty's pretty overrated too... just a bloody waste she is. :P
Todesherr 11-18-07, 11:19 AM	Yeah, that whole Love thing (love of country, love of family, love of friends, etc) is really overblown, can't be that many people into it. Then that passion thing (stirring people to create great works of art and beauty, inspiring new philosophies, and pretty much just moving the world)... garbage. Beauty's pretty overrated too... just a bloody waste she is. :P Reason, Intellect and Rationality... ;)
Stigger 11-18-07, 11:34 AM	Are not mutually exclusive with Love, Beauty, and/or Passion... unless you're taking very narrow views of those things. ;)
Book 11-18-07, 05:05 PM	Reeling-in clerics who are going overboard with certain religious-based RP angles are often easy to address. Since right off the bat, a cleric is part of a more strategic-based organization (the clergy of her deity), she is subject to the influence of her superiors. By bringing into the game her immediate report within the clergy hierarchy, her way of RP'ing in-game behaviour can be shifted enough to get her out of her bad habits ... hopefully without too much railroading or negative impact on her playing enjoyment. This is the best way to handle this problem. All clerics have bosses, even in chaoticly aligned religions.
Spelldancer 11-18-07, 05:46 PM	Hooo-boy. Has she read and understood the Faiths and Pantheons article about Sune's dogma? As a chosen messenger of Sune she's supposed to promote all kinds of love, not just physical intimacy... I'd probably give the cleric a job - a quest, as it were. One of Sune's portfolios is creation and protection of things of beauty, so maybe a mission to safeguard a relic of the faith (ideally one where the cleric will have to use her other gifts) would be a good idea. Ideally, make it something that one would not immediately recognize as beautiful or sensual in any physical way - perhaps some artwork or mechanical schematics, or even its creator. Perhaps she will learn more about her deity and the concepts of beauty and love that way. As it sounds right now, she might be more at home among the priesthood of Sharess than that of Sune. OOC, does the character have any interest in RL mythologies? Sune seems closely based on Aphrodite, who as a goddess of beauty in its variant forms (among other things) might be a good inspiration for the player. Thanks for your input. The character has been doing a good job, other than this small issue. Thinking over your creative (and some silly) answers to my question, this one sparked me the most. I think that I might try something like this with her. If that does not work, then yea looks like I will have to bring in the high priest. Was just hoping to do it in a quieter way, where the player's light bulb goes off.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-18-07, 08:01 PM	Are not mutually exclusive with Love, Beauty, and/or Passion... unless you're taking very narrow views of those things. ;) Agreed. People aren't robots.