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Grishmal
08-03-07, 07:09 PM I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards info of the Seven Lost Gods, namely who they were, what pantheons they were in, and what books have info on them.

Also I wondered if anyone knows what gods made up the Coramshite Pantheon, Jhaamdathan Pantheon, and Talfiric Pantheon. I'm particularly interested in the gods that died when the pantheons did.
Beaver
08-03-07, 07:45 PM Im not sure who the 7 lost gods are...but here is a small list;

Amaunator LN Portfolious: Bureaucracy, law,order, the sun
The ancient Netheril god, some believe to have turned into Lathander.

Auppenser N Portfolious: enlightenment, psionics, serenity

Bhaal LE Portfolio: assassination, murder, violence
Anyone who is anyone knows that story

Gilgeam LE Portfolio: Battle, power, strength, Unther
God of Unther who was slain by Tiamat during the time of troubles.

Ibrandul CN Portfolio: caverns, dungeons, skulks
Killed by Shar during the time of troubles, Shar still masquarades as the dead deity, granting spells to his clerics.

Moander CE Portfolio: Decay, corruption, rot
Killed on his home plane by a human Bard...

Leira CN Portfoilio: deception, illusions.
Killed by Cyric in the time of troubles.

Myrkrul LE Portfolio:Corruption, death, the dead, old age
Adventured to divinity with Bhaal and Bane, rose to take Jergal's place on the fugue plane. Killed during the time of troubles and now posseses the crown of horns, an artifact that contains his sentience.

Ramman CN Portfolio: Duty, order , vigilance, war
Slain by Hoar in the time of troubles.

Tchazzar CE Portfolio: Battle, Chessenta, victory, strength
Red Dragon who had achieved godhood, but was then eaten by Tiamat.

Also, I know of Borem the CE god of anger and mud whom was the first god to be killed by Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkrul. His sentience is believed to be in an artifact called "Borem's Quaqhart" which is in the faiths and pantheons book.

All other info I found is in Lost Empires.
Old Sage
08-03-07, 08:09 PM See Faiths & Avatars and Faiths & Pantheons.

Additionally, here's some tidbits from George Krashos and Eric L Boyd:-

"George:
The matter of the Seven Lost Gods has always been one of Eric's pet FR
conundrums, and without pre-empting his inevitable contribution to this
thread, I believe the Seven Lost Gods should include the following:

1. Jergal
2. Garagos
3. Moander
4. Shaundakul
5. Ghaunadar

Note that this leaves two slots free, and I have some idea as to which
gods I'd put in, but the fact is that there is no 'canon' answer to this
question. Put in any "old" gods you like - heck, make up some gods that
have been slain or have died due to loss of worship/neglect. Also in
Off-List discussion, the tie between Westgate and the Seven Lost Gods
has been discussed. We know little of the history of Westgate and we
don't even know who or what first colonised the area. Suggestions in
regard to the nation that first founded Westgate have centered mostly on
Jhaamdath (sp?) - the nation first discussed in LOI and EotSS. What gods
did the nation of Jhaamdath worship? It seems that FR conundrums never
go away.... :)"

"Eric:
First a bit of background:

The novel "Azure Bonds" revealed that there were seven hills with rings
of stone plinths south and west of Westgate. One of these hills, the
Hill of Fangs, was firmly associated with Moander.

In an off-hand reference in one of Ed's novels, there is a reference to
the "Seven Lost Gods." I can no longer find this reference, but I know
its out there somewhere. (If you find this reference, please let me know
the source and page number.)

When I was working on the Major Centers of Worship write-up in Moander's
write-up in F&A, I linked the two, and now the "Seven Lost Gods" are
firmly tied to the seven hills outside of Westgate.

In "Ruins of Myth Drannor", just before the discussion of Shaundakul,
there is a discussion of "old" gods whose worship is faded. This
discussion mentions that the cult of Garagos was once strong in Westgate
and that Savras was once venerated as the god of worshipers in the
South.

In "Prayers from the Faithful," we learn that Silvanus was once
venerated in a vanished woodland south and west of the city of Westgate.

I recently learned about five heretofore-unknown names of gods who
"bowed down before Bane." This is mentioned in the book that accompanied
the old "Pools of Radiance" computer game.

So, who are the Seven Lost Gods?

Only Moander is an absolute given, as noted above.

Garagos, and to a lesser extent, Savras, seem like likely candidates
given their geographic centers of interest.

Given that "Lost" seems to imply "gods whose worship has declined
significantly and who may or may not be dead", I might add the following
deities to the list:

Jergal and Ghaunadaur. (Jergal, while not dead, has certainly vanished
from the perspective of most humans of Faerun. Ghaunadaur seems like a
good candidate because he attracts only a few cultists, and he's dark,
sinister, and evil.)

Other possibilities include Silvanus (because of that PftF reference)
and Shaundakul (although the latter's base was farther north, around
Myth Drannor.)

The five names from the computer game "Pool of Radiance" are interesting
candidates as well. One theory I'm considering is that the "current"
Seven Lost Gods were venerated outside of Westgate several centuries
ago. However, their temples were built atop the ruins of an earlier
civilization, and that realm's temples were dedicated to seven truly
lost and forgotten deities. Maybe the five names mentioned in "Pool of
Radiance" were of that civilization, and their "bowing down to Bane"
occurred when the Father of Xvim was in his ascendance long, long ago."

And from me:-

The web enhancement for Cloak & Dagger describes who they really are:- http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/WGtimeline.doc
Beaver
08-03-07, 08:12 PM Wait, Shandukel is alive now? And I could of swore Garagos is in the Faiths and Pantheons...

So, what is the importance of the 7 lost gods, if there are much more then that?
Old Sage
08-03-07, 09:11 PM Shaundakul didn't actually die -- his worship simply dwindled after the Fall of Myth Drannor [whereupon he was demoted to a demipower]. And Garagos is detailed in Faiths & Pantheons.

Note also, what Eric said above:- "Given that 'Lost' seems to imply 'gods whose worship has declined significantly and who may or may not be dead'..."
Krash
08-05-07, 08:54 AM Wait, Shandukel is alive now? And I could of swore Garagos is in the Faiths and Pantheons...

So, what is the importance of the 7 lost gods, if there are much more then that?

The importance of the seven hills of the lost gods will be revealed in "Grand History of the Realms".

-- George Krashos
ripvanwormer
08-05-07, 10:08 AM See also this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-541852.html).
Old Sage
08-05-07, 12:46 PM The importance of the seven hills of the lost gods will be revealed in "Grand History of the Realms".

-- George KrashosOh George, you're tickling me in just the right place! :D
Gray Richardson
08-05-07, 05:05 PM I soooo can't wait for this book! I am sure there will be enough tantalizing lore in there to keep my imagination spinning throughout the dark months ahead of sparse Realms product.
Krash
08-06-07, 06:56 AM Oh George, you're tickling me in just the right place! :D

It's Mr Boyd you'll have to thank. A realmslore revelation that made me both gasp and think "coolness".:)

-- George Krashos
Old Sage
08-06-07, 07:56 AM Neato! So Eric's finally had the chance to follow-up on those earlier 'Lost Gods' revelations... I can't wait. :cool:
ripvanwormer
11-10-07, 06:09 PM I'm sure most people know this by now, but it seemed worthwhile to add it to this thread (or another of the many, many threads on this subject).

The nature of Haask, Voice of Hargut, has been canonized in the online Dragon Magazine (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true).

"Hargut was an antediluvian horror from the Far Realm that manifested on the Toril as a colossal worm-like creature with a giant-sized mouth filled with layer upon layer of razor sharp teeth. Hargut’s skin is sickly green and semi-transparent with red sores visible beneath the surface. Haask, once an elder doppelganger, is now a symbiont (Fiend Folio) fused to the outer flesh of the undying Hargut. Through their symbiotic relationship the former priest-king grants a degree of lucidity and intelligence to the otherwise mindless Hargut. It is unclear if the two would survive if they were separated for a period of time, if possible at all."

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Grishmal 08-03-07, 07:09 PM	I was wondering if anyone here could point me towards info of the Seven Lost Gods, namely who they were, what pantheons they were in, and what books have info on them. Also I wondered if anyone knows what gods made up the Coramshite Pantheon, Jhaamdathan Pantheon, and Talfiric Pantheon. I'm particularly interested in the gods that died when the pantheons did.
Beaver 08-03-07, 07:45 PM	Im not sure who the 7 lost gods are...but here is a small list; Amaunator LN Portfolious: Bureaucracy, law,order, the sun The ancient Netheril god, some believe to have turned into Lathander. Auppenser N Portfolious: enlightenment, psionics, serenity Bhaal LE Portfolio: assassination, murder, violence Anyone who is anyone knows that story Gilgeam LE Portfolio: Battle, power, strength, Unther God of Unther who was slain by Tiamat during the time of troubles. Ibrandul CN Portfolio: caverns, dungeons, skulks Killed by Shar during the time of troubles, Shar still masquarades as the dead deity, granting spells to his clerics. Moander CE Portfolio: Decay, corruption, rot Killed on his home plane by a human Bard... Leira CN Portfoilio: deception, illusions. Killed by Cyric in the time of troubles. Myrkrul LE Portfolio:Corruption, death, the dead, old age Adventured to divinity with Bhaal and Bane, rose to take Jergal's place on the fugue plane. Killed during the time of troubles and now posseses the crown of horns, an artifact that contains his sentience. Ramman CN Portfolio: Duty, order , vigilance, war Slain by Hoar in the time of troubles. Tchazzar CE Portfolio: Battle, Chessenta, victory, strength Red Dragon who had achieved godhood, but was then eaten by Tiamat. Also, I know of Borem the CE god of anger and mud whom was the first god to be killed by Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkrul. His sentience is believed to be in an artifact called "Borem's Quaqhart" which is in the faiths and pantheons book. All other info I found is in Lost Empires.
Old Sage 08-03-07, 08:09 PM	See Faiths & Avatars and Faiths & Pantheons. Additionally, here's some tidbits from George Krashos and Eric L Boyd:- "George: The matter of the Seven Lost Gods has always been one of Eric's pet FR conundrums, and without pre-empting his inevitable contribution to this thread, I believe the Seven Lost Gods should include the following: 1. Jergal 2. Garagos 3. Moander 4. Shaundakul 5. Ghaunadar Note that this leaves two slots free, and I have some idea as to which gods I'd put in, but the fact is that there is no 'canon' answer to this question. Put in any "old" gods you like - heck, make up some gods that have been slain or have died due to loss of worship/neglect. Also in Off-List discussion, the tie between Westgate and the Seven Lost Gods has been discussed. We know little of the history of Westgate and we don't even know who or what first colonised the area. Suggestions in regard to the nation that first founded Westgate have centered mostly on Jhaamdath (sp?) - the nation first discussed in LOI and EotSS. What gods did the nation of Jhaamdath worship? It seems that FR conundrums never go away.... :)" "Eric: First a bit of background: The novel "Azure Bonds" revealed that there were seven hills with rings of stone plinths south and west of Westgate. One of these hills, the Hill of Fangs, was firmly associated with Moander. In an off-hand reference in one of Ed's novels, there is a reference to the "Seven Lost Gods." I can no longer find this reference, but I know its out there somewhere. (If you find this reference, please let me know the source and page number.) When I was working on the Major Centers of Worship write-up in Moander's write-up in F&A, I linked the two, and now the "Seven Lost Gods" are firmly tied to the seven hills outside of Westgate. In "Ruins of Myth Drannor", just before the discussion of Shaundakul, there is a discussion of "old" gods whose worship is faded. This discussion mentions that the cult of Garagos was once strong in Westgate and that Savras was once venerated as the god of worshipers in the South. In "Prayers from the Faithful," we learn that Silvanus was once venerated in a vanished woodland south and west of the city of Westgate. I recently learned about five heretofore-unknown names of gods who "bowed down before Bane." This is mentioned in the book that accompanied the old "Pools of Radiance" computer game. So, who are the Seven Lost Gods? Only Moander is an absolute given, as noted above. Garagos, and to a lesser extent, Savras, seem like likely candidates given their geographic centers of interest. Given that "Lost" seems to imply "gods whose worship has declined significantly and who may or may not be dead", I might add the following deities to the list: Jergal and Ghaunadaur. (Jergal, while not dead, has certainly vanished from the perspective of most humans of Faerun. Ghaunadaur seems like a good candidate because he attracts only a few cultists, and he's dark, sinister, and evil.) Other possibilities include Silvanus (because of that PftF reference) and Shaundakul (although the latter's base was farther north, around Myth Drannor.) The five names from the computer game "Pool of Radiance" are interesting candidates as well. One theory I'm considering is that the "current" Seven Lost Gods were venerated outside of Westgate several centuries ago. However, their temples were built atop the ruins of an earlier civilization, and that realm's temples were dedicated to seven truly lost and forgotten deities. Maybe the five names mentioned in "Pool of Radiance" were of that civilization, and their "bowing down to Bane" occurred when the Father of Xvim was in his ascendance long, long ago." And from me:- The web enhancement for Cloak & Dagger describes who they really are:- http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/WGtimeline.doc
Beaver 08-03-07, 08:12 PM	Wait, Shandukel is alive now? And I could of swore Garagos is in the Faiths and Pantheons... So, what is the importance of the 7 lost gods, if there are much more then that?
Old Sage 08-03-07, 09:11 PM	Shaundakul didn't actually die -- his worship simply dwindled after the Fall of Myth Drannor [whereupon he was demoted to a demipower]. And Garagos is detailed in Faiths & Pantheons. Note also, what Eric said above:- "Given that 'Lost' seems to imply 'gods whose worship has declined significantly and who may or may not be dead'..."
Krash 08-05-07, 08:54 AM	Wait, Shandukel is alive now? And I could of swore Garagos is in the Faiths and Pantheons... So, what is the importance of the 7 lost gods, if there are much more then that? The importance of the seven hills of the lost gods will be revealed in "Grand History of the Realms". -- George Krashos
ripvanwormer 08-05-07, 10:08 AM	See also this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-541852.html).
Old Sage 08-05-07, 12:46 PM	The importance of the seven hills of the lost gods will be revealed in "Grand History of the Realms". -- George KrashosOh George, you're tickling me in just the right place! :D
Gray Richardson 08-05-07, 05:05 PM	I soooo can't wait for this book! I am sure there will be enough tantalizing lore in there to keep my imagination spinning throughout the dark months ahead of sparse Realms product.
Krash 08-06-07, 06:56 AM	Oh George, you're tickling me in just the right place! :D It's Mr Boyd you'll have to thank. A realmslore revelation that made me both gasp and think "coolness".:) -- George Krashos
Old Sage 08-06-07, 07:56 AM	Neato! So Eric's finally had the chance to follow-up on those earlier 'Lost Gods' revelations... I can't wait. :cool:
ripvanwormer 11-10-07, 06:09 PM	I'm sure most people know this by now, but it seemed worthwhile to add it to this thread (or another of the many, many threads on this subject). The nature of Haask, Voice of Hargut, has been canonized in the online Dragon Magazine (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true). "Hargut was an antediluvian horror from the Far Realm that manifested on the Toril as a colossal worm-like creature with a giant-sized mouth filled with layer upon layer of razor sharp teeth. Hargut’s skin is sickly green and semi-transparent with red sores visible beneath the surface. Haask, once an elder doppelganger, is now a symbiont (Fiend Folio) fused to the outer flesh of the undying Hargut. Through their symbiotic relationship the former priest-king grants a degree of lucidity and intelligence to the otherwise mindless Hargut. It is unclear if the two would survive if they were separated for a period of time, if possible at all."