Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Azar_of_Faerun 03-15-07, 04:09 AM	Thematically speaking, not mechanically. Has he ever conducted brilliant strategies or made a seemingly impossible fight come around with a few directions to the troops? If so, what are some examples of them? :)
Aldareth 03-15-07, 05:02 AM	Tempus dont care much about Tactics , He cares just for the way they people fight. Tactic is the domain of the Red Knight
Critalondel 03-15-07, 06:35 AM	Just because he doesn't bother with them most of the time doesn't mean he can't, though. Tactics are an important aspect of warfare, and Tempus is the God of War. He's no Garagos, or other mindless slaughterer. And last I checked Red Knight is an under-deity to Tempus -- I doubt she'd serve him with any loyalty if he was a big dummy that didn't understand the importance of tactics and have a grasp on 'em.
Aldareth 03-15-07, 07:56 AM	Just because he doesn't bother with them most of the time doesn't mean he can't, though. Tactics are an important aspect of warfare, and Tempus is the God of War. He's no Garagos, or other mindless slaughterer. And last I checked Red Knight is an under-deity to Tempus -- I doubt she'd serve him with any loyalty if he was a big dummy that didn't understand the importance of tactics and have a grasp on 'em. You are right and i didnt say anything that denies this, but the OP asked of specific situations where Tempus showed that he is a great tactician and so far as i know he didnt , not because he is not a good tactician and didnt value a good tactic , but because this dont has priority for him
Stigger 03-15-07, 06:28 PM	I got the impression that Tempus has a very black and white worldview, one made of combattants and non-combattants. His dogma pretty much states he does not help win battles, he helps deserving warriors win battles. In otherwords, he's the god of the grunts and the fight itself, while Red Knight is the goddess of the generals and officers. One of the reasons he's going to get supplanted by her one day I think... So as far as tactics are concerned, I think Tempus is more concerned with personal battle skill and individual tactical proficiency (dodge, parry, bull rush, power attack, etc), while Red Knight is concerned with tactics of the unit (enfilade, delaying action, skirmish, tactical retreat, etc).
DrBoron 03-16-07, 12:21 AM	In otherwords, he's the god of the grunts and the fight itself, while Red Knight is the goddess of the generals and officers. One of the reasons he's going to get supplanted by her one day I think... I'm not so sure about that...there are an awful lot more grunts in the world than officers, after all :)
Stigger 03-16-07, 01:46 AM	Sure, but as warfare evolves, the officers become far more important than the grunts. Look at our own current military structures. It's all about C3I afterall. Sure the soldiers go in and hold the ground and do the actual fighting, but it's the planning and coordination of the battlespace environment that makes that fighting what it is. Tempus is the soldier, Red Knight is the command structure, the maneuver units, the battlefield coordination. Sure it isn't going to happen in the near future, but eventually... in the centuries perspective, not decades.
Snow Savant 03-16-07, 02:14 PM	Regarding the above mentioning of Garagos, he's actually consider to be "tactically weak" (bottom of pg. 95 F&P). Plus, there's a reference there indicates that Tempus, Red Knight, and Tempus' factions might have a remote chance of meeting on a mutual battlefield. With Garagos coming out a lot worse than the other two. Does anybody know if there have been recent or significant interplay between any of these 3 clergies?
Optimystik 03-16-07, 02:21 PM	One of the reasons he's going to get supplanted by her one day I think... Why would she? From her point of view, having him around to do any actual fighting would benefit her as it would keep her in the best position to watch the battlefield as a whole. Thus, her ultimate strategy would involve him keeping the portfolios of war and battle. She might even want to keep her status as a lesser power so that she is continually underestimated.
Stigger 03-16-07, 03:34 PM	I wasn't suggesting Tempus was going to suddenly get wiped from the pantheon, I don't think anyone was to be honest. More like switching places, the deity he regards like his daughter moving up and taking over the family business while he goes into the background a bit more than he was... probably staying at greater power simply due to the nature of his portfolio, but having RK move up to intermediate power and being the more obvious of the two. As to her wanting to remain underestimated... maybe, but it doesn't quite mesh with what I understand about her. But that's probably more a matter of interpretation.
Zsych 03-17-07, 04:51 AM	I think that he's more intelligent than the previous God of War, but not too amazing. I tend to take the view that gods are what their worshippers expect them to be. Most of Tempus' worshippers aren't generals. Most I think, don't really value genius tactics as much as they value war itself... and I don't think that most can really imagine what a genius tactician actually is, except in what they see from the outside(which is random seeming trickery that wins battles and such... assuming they have a good enough leader or opponent to see even that much) :)
helicopter 03-18-07, 01:31 PM	Regarding the above mentioning of Garagos, he's actually consider to be "tactically weak" (bottom of pg. 95 F&P). Plus, there's a reference there indicates that Tempus, Red Knight, and Tempus' factions might have a remote chance of meeting on a mutual battlefield. With Garagos coming out a lot worse than the other two. Does anybody know if there have been recent or significant interplay between any of these 3 clergies?I'd be curious too, to see if any of those three clergies have fought against the Orcish god Ilneval and his divine followers. Ilneval's angle fits into the war/strategy/tactics sphere of Tempus, R. Knight, and Garagos as well