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Post/Author/DateTime Post
Xavier_of_Cormyr
02-27-07, 01:24 AM Ok, so I read craft contingent spell & the Spell Mantle feat.... so am I missing something or is it not clear that the mantle spells have to be personal/emanation magic to qualify as a mantled spell?
Anyone have more info on this? I have some ideas, but just checking if anyone else delved into this yet....
herceg
03-01-07, 01:46 PM Hm, as I read it, it can be any spell that can be "safely" triggered.
If you want a "revenge-type" spell, it could be a fireball triggered by the death of its "wearer".
Or a nice defensive spell: Circle of Death triggered by any physical attack :)
Burst is good too, as spread, etc. Any spell that doesn't require an action to target (touch spells are out I think).
Xavier_of_Cormyr
03-01-07, 03:32 PM the main reason i ask is this: can a archmage with mastery of shaping have a contingent/mantled fireball centered on him self, but shaped as not to damge him? I think this is totally possible, but I want to hear other opinions regarding this, and mantles in general.
herceg
03-01-07, 04:16 PM I am not sure if someone can craft a spell under the effect of mastery of shaping. As the shaping takes place at the casting, this could or could not work, depending on the DM's interpretation (effectively, you use mastery of shaping when actually using and targeting the spell in action).

But yes, I think I would allow it for a moderately reasonable player.
Stigger
03-01-07, 04:21 PM Sounds like something I'd let one of my players do... so I'd say go for it.
Karsus the Mad
03-01-07, 07:34 PM the main reason i ask is this: can a archmage with mastery of shaping have a contingent/mantled fireball centered on him self, but shaped as not to damge him? I think this is totally possible, but I want to hear other opinions regarding this, and mantles in general.
I'd allow it, since to create the contingent spell you cast the spell at creation time, and having mastery of shaping means you can alter the shape at casting...there you go:)
As to my opinion regarding "mantles", well, they're not mantles. They're more akin to baldrics. Mantles haven't been single use contingent spells in the past, I don't see any reason to make them as such now. The closest thing to a true mantle I can think of is creating an epic spell that utilizes the mythal seed.
Krash
03-01-07, 09:56 PM Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;)

-- George Krashos
Xavier_of_Cormyr
03-02-07, 12:15 AM Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;)

-- George Krashos

as i was just about to chime in... the current "rediscovered" mantle-esque enchantments can't & shouldn't be able to hold a match to what was possible before Karsus' folly, but they're still pretty formidable if you ask me.
as for the mastery of shaping on the spell, i just think of the high arcana powers as innate metamagic effects.
just my 2 cents :twocents:
Karsus the Mad
03-02-07, 10:11 AM Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;)

-- George Krashos
There's always that to:)
lavekkia
03-02-07, 01:37 PM Well we could use the Tought Extractor from LoM on Ed or Eric...
they are allowed no ST :evillaugh
Karsus the Mad
03-02-07, 07:59 PM Well we could use the Tought Extractor from LoM on Ed or Eric...
they are allowed no ST :evillaugh
I'll hold them down...:D
lavekkia
03-03-07, 08:15 AM I realized later that it probably won't work: all authors have a contingent Summon 500$/hour lawyer placed on them so the moment we will try to "convince" to reveal something the mighty lawyer will appear and smithe us with thier fiendish "Codex of Infinite Laws"

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xavier_of_Cormyr 02-27-07, 01:24 AM	Ok, so I read craft contingent spell & the Spell Mantle feat.... so am I missing something or is it not clear that the mantle spells have to be personal/emanation magic to qualify as a mantled spell? Anyone have more info on this? I have some ideas, but just checking if anyone else delved into this yet....
herceg 03-01-07, 01:46 PM	Hm, as I read it, it can be any spell that can be "safely" triggered. If you want a "revenge-type" spell, it could be a fireball triggered by the death of its "wearer". Or a nice defensive spell: Circle of Death triggered by any physical attack :) Burst is good too, as spread, etc. Any spell that doesn't require an action to target (touch spells are out I think).
Xavier_of_Cormyr 03-01-07, 03:32 PM	the main reason i ask is this: can a archmage with mastery of shaping have a contingent/mantled fireball centered on him self, but shaped as not to damge him? I think this is totally possible, but I want to hear other opinions regarding this, and mantles in general.
herceg 03-01-07, 04:16 PM	I am not sure if someone can craft a spell under the effect of mastery of shaping. As the shaping takes place at the casting, this could or could not work, depending on the DM's interpretation (effectively, you use mastery of shaping when actually using and targeting the spell in action). But yes, I think I would allow it for a moderately reasonable player.
Stigger 03-01-07, 04:21 PM	Sounds like something I'd let one of my players do... so I'd say go for it.
Karsus the Mad 03-01-07, 07:34 PM	the main reason i ask is this: can a archmage with mastery of shaping have a contingent/mantled fireball centered on him self, but shaped as not to damge him? I think this is totally possible, but I want to hear other opinions regarding this, and mantles in general. I'd allow it, since to create the contingent spell you cast the spell at creation time, and having mastery of shaping means you can alter the shape at casting...there you go:) As to my opinion regarding "mantles", well, they're not mantles. They're more akin to baldrics. Mantles haven't been single use contingent spells in the past, I don't see any reason to make them as such now. The closest thing to a true mantle I can think of is creating an epic spell that utilizes the mythal seed.
Krash 03-01-07, 09:56 PM	Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;) -- George Krashos
Xavier_of_Cormyr 03-02-07, 12:15 AM	Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;) -- George Krashos as i was just about to chime in... the current "rediscovered" mantle-esque enchantments can't & shouldn't be able to hold a match to what was possible before Karsus' folly, but they're still pretty formidable if you ask me. as for the mastery of shaping on the spell, i just think of the high arcana powers as innate metamagic effects. just my 2 cents :twocents:
Karsus the Mad 03-02-07, 10:11 AM	Or other, as yet unpublished, ways ... ;) -- George Krashos There's always that to:)
lavekkia 03-02-07, 01:37 PM	Well we could use the Tought Extractor from LoM on Ed or Eric... they are allowed no ST :evillaugh
Karsus the Mad 03-02-07, 07:59 PM	Well we could use the Tought Extractor from LoM on Ed or Eric... they are allowed no ST :evillaugh I'll hold them down...:D
lavekkia 03-03-07, 08:15 AM	I realized later that it probably won't work: all authors have a contingent Summon 500$/hour lawyer placed on them so the moment we will try to "convince" to reveal something the mighty lawyer will appear and smithe us with thier fiendish "Codex of Infinite Laws"