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Drow_Lord
07-29-07, 06:40 PM I'm about to start a Forgotten Realms Campaign and I saw multiple references to "Mythals" in the campaign setting so I was wondering what the rules and such for them are.
Drew1369r
07-29-07, 06:52 PM Lost Empires of Faerun has the best source I've seen on mythals
Drow_Lord
07-29-07, 07:06 PM O.K. thanks.
Paix
07-29-07, 07:21 PM They are also described in the second edition supplements Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves and associated material available as a free pdf from this site.
lavekkia
07-29-07, 07:39 PM Also you should take a look to the Epic section of the SRD since as per 3.5ed rules mythals are epic spells.
If you are interested i have some links to some fan developed mythals
Lord Karsus
07-30-07, 06:21 PM -Read my article in Elves of Faerūn.
Derren S.
08-03-07, 09:31 AM Mythals are permanent magical "fields" which can cover large areas which can be customized to always provide certain spell or other magical effects to the people (or just to a certain type of people) inside the field and enhance or inhibit certain spells.

In previous editions Mythals could only be made by using High Magic and thus were exclusiv to elves, but in 3rd Edition high magic and with it Mythals can be casted by everyone who can use epic magic.
The rules for creating Mythals are, like it was mentioned, in Lost Empires of Faerun.
Krash
08-03-07, 06:44 PM In previous editions Mythals could only be made by using High Magic and thus were exclusive to elves, but in 3rd Edition high magic and with it Mythals can be cast by everyone who can use epic magic.

I don't think that statement re only elves and High Magic creating mythals is correct. Myth Lharast in Amn is an example of a mythal city that had little or no elven input into its creation, given that it was dedicated to Selune.

Much of what the earlier editions said about mythals was vague and general. In my view the primacy of elven High Magic in mythal creation is more propaganda than fact. The elves likely did it better than the other races, but not always and certainly not exclusively.

-- George Krashos
Lord Karsus
08-03-07, 10:26 PM I don't think that statement re only elves and High Magic creating mythals is correct. Myth Lharast in Amn is an example of a mythal city that had little or no elven input into its creation, given that it was dedicated to Selune.

-Lharast is one of the many words that means 'Moon' in Elven, so there are some Elven connections.
Paix
08-03-07, 10:45 PM Second edition was not that vague about mythals. The arcane age supplements describe them in detail and where always associated with Elven High Magic.

There were mentions of similar effects, such as in the old imperial city of Shoonach, but were always described as 'multiple layers and wards creating a mythal-like effect', not as pure bonded mythal.

Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful.
Krash
08-04-07, 03:02 AM -Lharast is one of the many words that means 'Moon' in Elven, so there are some Elven connections.

Where in the totality of realmslore products was it said that "lharast" means "moon" in elven?

-- George Krashos

P.S. Oh, and I haven't yet seen anyone manage to explain how Myth Iliscar on Lantan is an elven mythal city.
GothicDan
08-04-07, 03:17 AM I always thought that the "Myth ____" itself was an Elven naming tradition for cities? Would non-Elven Myth ____ cities be merely referred to as such by non-Elves as... Whatever the ____ part is?
Old Sage
08-04-07, 04:53 AM I like to think that it was always a bit of a mystery as to why those cities with 'mythal-like' magics had been given the "Myth ..." nomenclature, like those derived from elven magic. Although, we could always blame Orgrath of Candlekeep who wrote of these places some 500 years ago in his now rare libram titled The Wonders of Wizardry. *winks at Krash* :D

P.S. Oh, and I haven't yet seen anyone manage to explain how Myth Iliscar on Lantan is an elven mythal city.I thought it had been said that it "seemingly" wasn't created by elven magic? Unless I've missed something...
Derren S.
08-04-07, 06:33 AM Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful.

"Mythal" is now a epic spell seed which can be used by anyone who can cast epic spells to construct spells which create a mythal.

The rules for Mythal Seeds are in Lost Empires of Faerun.
Karsus the Mad
08-04-07, 09:10 AM Second edition was not that vague about mythals. The arcane age supplements describe them in detail and where always associated with Elven High Magic.

There were mentions of similar effects, such as in the old imperial city of Shoonach, but were always described as 'multiple layers and wards creating a mythal-like effect', not as pure bonded mythal.

Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful.
The same arcane age supplement (CEoE) also describes wizardly mythals as being functionally equal (tho' HM mythals are more stable). Shoonach also has a real wizardly mythal, which can be read about in the same supplement on page 148 under "Other Mythals"
Andyr
08-04-07, 09:52 AM On a related note, was Myth Drannor the first mythal? I'm a little uncertain; the novel Elminster in Myth Drannor seems to indicate mythals were being developed at that time. Converesly, the novel Forsaken House mentions Myth Glaurach, which I think is meant to be ~5,000 years old (hence a lot older than Elminster). Which is correct? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere?
Karsus the Mad
08-04-07, 10:31 AM On a related note, was Myth Drannor the first mythal? I'm a little uncertain; the novel Elminster in Myth Drannor seems to indicate mythals were being developed at that time. Converesly, the novel Forsaken House mentions Myth Glaurach, which I think is meant to be ~5,000 years old (hence a lot older than Elminster). Which is correct? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere?
No. Myth Drannor was a wizardly mythal developed by Mythanthor (a former high mage) to duplicate high magic mythals, but even then wasn't the first wizardly mythal either, as Shoonach is older. High magic mythals are the oldest.
I thought it had been said that it "seemingly" wasn't created by elven magic? Unless I've missed something...
LEoF lists it as a non-elven mythal city.
Andyr
08-04-07, 10:48 AM No. Myth Drannor was a wizardly mythal developed by Mythanthor (a former high mage) to duplicate high magic mythals, but even then wasn't the first wizardly mythal either, as Shoonach is older. High magic mythals are the oldest.

... that clears my confusion nicely, thanks. :)
GothicDan
08-04-07, 05:16 PM LEoF lists it as a non-elven mythal city.

But are there any previous sources saying this? After all, it's already been confirmed and reconfirmed that under 3E mechanics, Elves were not the only crafters of 'true' Mythals. I thought the discussion was more about how things were presented in 2E, and thus the interpretation of things into 3E?
Karsus the Mad
08-04-07, 07:13 PM But are there any previous sources saying this? After all, it's already been confirmed and reconfirmed that under 3E mechanics, Elves were not the only crafters of 'true' Mythals. I thought the discussion was more about how things were presented in 2E, and thus the interpretation of things into 3E?
The only sources that I can think of off the top of my head is 2e CEoE, 3.0 Magic of Faerun, 3.5 Lost Empires of Faerun, and the FR Mailing List. Neither CEoE or MoF mention it as being elven or non-elven, LEoF notes it as non-elven, and the Mailing List merely refers to it as a flying city that fell on the isle of Lantan.
GothicDan
08-04-07, 07:17 PM Thank you, Karsus.

Of course, there's a good chance I could have been missing the point. That happens, sometimes.
Krash
08-04-07, 07:59 PM I like to think that it was always a bit of a mystery as to why those cities with 'mythal-like' magics had been given the "Myth ..." nomenclature, like those derived from elven magic. Although, we could always blame Orgrath of Candlekeep who wrote of these places some 500 years ago in his now rare libram titled The Wonders of Wizardry. *winks at Krash* :D

"Aye, that Orgrath has the right of it. Whilst I've woven more than a few mythals in my time, that man has studied most every mythal and ward that exists on the face of Faerūn. Even Alitharl of Leuthilspar grudgingly gives him his due, even as his face twists as he talks of him. I'll have to look in on Orgrath when I find the chance; he's requested a visit to Myth Drannor once again. At least this time we won't have to destroy a dozen hellspawn in the first five breaths we arrive there."

-- Elminster of Shadowdale

I love channeling my "inner Elminster".:D

-- George Krashos
godbeepit
08-04-07, 08:52 PM I could've sworn that someone went off on a pretty long tangent on how the epic mythal seed was really a misnomer and not really a true mythal. If I recall, it was the schismed Karsus arguing with himself BUT the main deal was that the true mythal was the layers were permanent and stationary and self-sufficient while the mythal seed was a cheap imitation. That was what I got out of it anyways, it was a fairly long schizophrenic rant.
Lord Karsus
08-04-07, 09:29 PM Where in the totality of realmslore products was it said that "lharast" means "moon" in elven?

-I don't remember my source, but I don't arbitrarily make things up in my Elven Dictionary. That would kind of hurt it's credibility. I do remember that it was a pretty obscure source- an author's response, either at the 'Keep or at the boards, if I remember correctly.

I could've sworn that someone went off on a pretty long tangent on how the epic mythal seed was really a misnomer and not really a true mythal. If I recall, it was the schismed Karsus arguing with himself BUT the main deal was that the true mythal was the layers were permanent and stationary and self-sufficient while the mythal seed was a cheap imitation. That was what I got out of it anyways, it was a fairly long schizophrenic rant.

-We were discussing the differences between Wizardly and True High Magic Mythals. Wizardly Mythals are, in the most basic sense, "battery powered". In other words, the initial casting of the spell gives the Mythal the power that it needs to function, and it slowly unweaves as time passes. True High Magic Mythals, on the other hand, are akin to "living" weaves of magic. These Mythals thrive and are "powered" by the "life" of the Elven community they surround. They only begin to destabilize when the community begins to disappear, or when evil Outsiders begin appearing within, or near the field.
GothicDan
08-04-07, 09:46 PM Googling the word gives indications that it was an Elven settlement, or inferences of such.

"227 DR [Year of the Raised Banner]
1. The halfling realm of Meiritin is founded on the eastern shores of
what is now known as Lake Esmel. [TSR9561]
2. Anorvail Nelnueve founds the small elven community of Lharraine on
the banks of the Splendarrllur (what later shall be known as Myth
Lharast)"

Looks Elven to me. From a post on the Realms List.
Lord Karsus
08-04-07, 10:48 PM -The fact that it was dedicated/consecrated to Selūne doesn't necessarily disbar it from being an Elven settlement, either. It doesn't really mean anything, actually. Just as some Humans can worship Fenmarel Mestarine, so too can some Elves worship Selūne.

::Shrug::
GothicDan
08-04-07, 11:15 PM And the fact that it was initially founded as an Elven settlement of similar naming tradition is little more than a hint as to its origins, I'd imagine.
Krash
08-05-07, 08:44 AM Googling the word gives indications that it was an Elven settlement, or inferences of such.

"227 DR [Year of the Raised Banner]
1. The halfling realm of Meiritin is founded on the eastern shores of
what is now known as Lake Esmel. [TSR9561]
2. Anorvail Nelnueve founds the small elven community of Lharraine on
the banks of the Splendarrllur (what later shall be known as Myth
Lharast)"

Looks Elven to me. From a post on the Realms List.

Someone has made that latter date up. It doesn't appear in any realmslore or published products. The "Nelnueve" reference is a giveaway given that this was the family name of Iliphar who was lord of the woods of Cormyr before that realm was founded - somewhat far from the environs of present-day Amn.

The founding of Myth Lharast is rooted in the theocracy of Minsorran, a short-lived conclave of different religious orders (to Selūne, Lathander, Shar and Mystra) that settled around Lake Weng in Amn in the Year of the Late Sun (300 DR). This realm fell in the Year of Fire and Frost (600 DR) when a freak blizzard left the inhabitants at the mercy of the white dragon Icehauptannarthanyx.

Myth Lharast was founded in the Year of the Half Moon (390 DR) as a "purer" temple city with worship solely to Selūne rather than the orthodox theocracy of Minsorran.

It fell in the Year of the Dawn Rose (720 DR) when it was overrun by lycanthrope hordes.

See the "Lands of Intrigue - Amn" booklet (p.54-55) for the sum total of information on this place.

Oh, and no mention anywhere of elven influences.

-- George Krashos
GothicDan
08-05-07, 09:53 AM This is the URL of the Realms List post I was referring to: http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9904c&L=realms-l&D=1&F=&S=&P=23334

Judging from what you said, it may well be fan-added bits.

There's also this, including posts from Schend and Boyd: http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0405c&L=realms-l&D=1&P=9049

It seems Myth Lharest also has some bits in RoMD and in Selune's entry in F&A, apparently.

Mind you, my googling started in trying to find a response from one of the designers regarding the word 'Lharest,' since that seems the most likely source for LK's dictionary entry. :)

I'm looking at Lands of Intrigue now. I don't have RuMD handy, though, so I can't personally check that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Drow_Lord 07-29-07, 06:40 PM	I'm about to start a Forgotten Realms Campaign and I saw multiple references to "Mythals" in the campaign setting so I was wondering what the rules and such for them are.
Drew1369r 07-29-07, 06:52 PM	Lost Empires of Faerun has the best source I've seen on mythals
Drow_Lord 07-29-07, 07:06 PM	O.K. thanks.
Paix 07-29-07, 07:21 PM	They are also described in the second edition supplements Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves and associated material available as a free pdf from this site.
lavekkia 07-29-07, 07:39 PM	Also you should take a look to the Epic section of the SRD since as per 3.5ed rules mythals are epic spells. If you are interested i have some links to some fan developed mythals
Lord Karsus 07-30-07, 06:21 PM	-Read my article in Elves of Faerūn.
Derren S. 08-03-07, 09:31 AM	Mythals are permanent magical "fields" which can cover large areas which can be customized to always provide certain spell or other magical effects to the people (or just to a certain type of people) inside the field and enhance or inhibit certain spells. In previous editions Mythals could only be made by using High Magic and thus were exclusiv to elves, but in 3rd Edition high magic and with it Mythals can be casted by everyone who can use epic magic. The rules for creating Mythals are, like it was mentioned, in Lost Empires of Faerun.
Krash 08-03-07, 06:44 PM	In previous editions Mythals could only be made by using High Magic and thus were exclusive to elves, but in 3rd Edition high magic and with it Mythals can be cast by everyone who can use epic magic. I don't think that statement re only elves and High Magic creating mythals is correct. Myth Lharast in Amn is an example of a mythal city that had little or no elven input into its creation, given that it was dedicated to Selune. Much of what the earlier editions said about mythals was vague and general. In my view the primacy of elven High Magic in mythal creation is more propaganda than fact. The elves likely did it better than the other races, but not always and certainly not exclusively. -- George Krashos
Lord Karsus 08-03-07, 10:26 PM	I don't think that statement re only elves and High Magic creating mythals is correct. Myth Lharast in Amn is an example of a mythal city that had little or no elven input into its creation, given that it was dedicated to Selune. -Lharast is one of the many words that means 'Moon' in Elven, so there are some Elven connections.
Paix 08-03-07, 10:45 PM	Second edition was not that vague about mythals. The arcane age supplements describe them in detail and where always associated with Elven High Magic. There were mentions of similar effects, such as in the old imperial city of Shoonach, but were always described as 'multiple layers and wards creating a mythal-like effect', not as pure bonded mythal. Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful.
Krash 08-04-07, 03:02 AM	-Lharast is one of the many words that means 'Moon' in Elven, so there are some Elven connections. Where in the totality of realmslore products was it said that "lharast" means "moon" in elven? -- George Krashos P.S. Oh, and I haven't yet seen anyone manage to explain how Myth Iliscar on Lantan is an elven mythal city.
GothicDan 08-04-07, 03:17 AM	I always thought that the "Myth ____" itself was an Elven naming tradition for cities? Would non-Elven Myth ____ cities be merely referred to as such by non-Elves as... Whatever the ____ part is?
Old Sage 08-04-07, 04:53 AM	I like to think that it was always a bit of a mystery as to why those cities with 'mythal-like' magics had been given the "Myth ..." nomenclature, like those derived from elven magic. Although, we could always blame Orgrath of Candlekeep who wrote of these places some 500 years ago in his now rare libram titled The Wonders of Wizardry. winks at Krash :D P.S. Oh, and I haven't yet seen anyone manage to explain how Myth Iliscar on Lantan is an elven mythal city.I thought it had been said that it "seemingly" wasn't created by elven magic? Unless I've missed something...
Derren S. 08-04-07, 06:33 AM	Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful. "Mythal" is now a epic spell seed which can be used by anyone who can cast epic spells to construct spells which create a mythal. The rules for Mythal Seeds are in Lost Empires of Faerun.
Karsus the Mad 08-04-07, 09:10 AM	Second edition was not that vague about mythals. The arcane age supplements describe them in detail and where always associated with Elven High Magic. There were mentions of similar effects, such as in the old imperial city of Shoonach, but were always described as 'multiple layers and wards creating a mythal-like effect', not as pure bonded mythal. Shall I infer from the above that mythals are now just one of the epic spells available to anyone? And if you could give me a reference sourcebook for that, I would be grateful. The same arcane age supplement (CEoE) also describes wizardly mythals as being functionally equal (tho' HM mythals are more stable). Shoonach also has a real wizardly mythal, which can be read about in the same supplement on page 148 under "Other Mythals"
Andyr 08-04-07, 09:52 AM	On a related note, was Myth Drannor the first mythal? I'm a little uncertain; the novel Elminster in Myth Drannor seems to indicate mythals were being developed at that time. Converesly, the novel Forsaken House mentions Myth Glaurach, which I think is meant to be ~5,000 years old (hence a lot older than Elminster). Which is correct? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere?
Karsus the Mad 08-04-07, 10:31 AM	On a related note, was Myth Drannor the first mythal? I'm a little uncertain; the novel Elminster in Myth Drannor seems to indicate mythals were being developed at that time. Converesly, the novel Forsaken House mentions Myth Glaurach, which I think is meant to be ~5,000 years old (hence a lot older than Elminster). Which is correct? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick somewhere? No. Myth Drannor was a wizardly mythal developed by Mythanthor (a former high mage) to duplicate high magic mythals, but even then wasn't the first wizardly mythal either, as Shoonach is older. High magic mythals are the oldest. I thought it had been said that it "seemingly" wasn't created by elven magic? Unless I've missed something... LEoF lists it as a non-elven mythal city.
Andyr 08-04-07, 10:48 AM	No. Myth Drannor was a wizardly mythal developed by Mythanthor (a former high mage) to duplicate high magic mythals, but even then wasn't the first wizardly mythal either, as Shoonach is older. High magic mythals are the oldest. ... that clears my confusion nicely, thanks. :)
GothicDan 08-04-07, 05:16 PM	LEoF lists it as a non-elven mythal city. But are there any previous sources saying this? After all, it's already been confirmed and reconfirmed that under 3E mechanics, Elves were not the only crafters of 'true' Mythals. I thought the discussion was more about how things were presented in 2E, and thus the interpretation of things into 3E?
Karsus the Mad 08-04-07, 07:13 PM	But are there any previous sources saying this? After all, it's already been confirmed and reconfirmed that under 3E mechanics, Elves were not the only crafters of 'true' Mythals. I thought the discussion was more about how things were presented in 2E, and thus the interpretation of things into 3E? The only sources that I can think of off the top of my head is 2e CEoE, 3.0 Magic of Faerun, 3.5 Lost Empires of Faerun, and the FR Mailing List. Neither CEoE or MoF mention it as being elven or non-elven, LEoF notes it as non-elven, and the Mailing List merely refers to it as a flying city that fell on the isle of Lantan.
GothicDan 08-04-07, 07:17 PM	Thank you, Karsus. Of course, there's a good chance I could have been missing the point. That happens, sometimes.
Krash 08-04-07, 07:59 PM	I like to think that it was always a bit of a mystery as to why those cities with 'mythal-like' magics had been given the "Myth ..." nomenclature, like those derived from elven magic. Although, we could always blame Orgrath of Candlekeep who wrote of these places some 500 years ago in his now rare libram titled The Wonders of Wizardry. winks at Krash :D "Aye, that Orgrath has the right of it. Whilst I've woven more than a few mythals in my time, that man has studied most every mythal and ward that exists on the face of Faerūn. Even Alitharl of Leuthilspar grudgingly gives him his due, even as his face twists as he talks of him. I'll have to look in on Orgrath when I find the chance; he's requested a visit to Myth Drannor once again. At least this time we won't have to destroy a dozen hellspawn in the first five breaths we arrive there." -- Elminster of Shadowdale I love channeling my "inner Elminster".:D -- George Krashos
godbeepit 08-04-07, 08:52 PM	I could've sworn that someone went off on a pretty long tangent on how the epic mythal seed was really a misnomer and not really a true mythal. If I recall, it was the schismed Karsus arguing with himself BUT the main deal was that the true mythal was the layers were permanent and stationary and self-sufficient while the mythal seed was a cheap imitation. That was what I got out of it anyways, it was a fairly long schizophrenic rant.
Lord Karsus 08-04-07, 09:29 PM	Where in the totality of realmslore products was it said that "lharast" means "moon" in elven? -I don't remember my source, but I don't arbitrarily make things up in my Elven Dictionary. That would kind of hurt it's credibility. I do remember that it was a pretty obscure source- an author's response, either at the 'Keep or at the boards, if I remember correctly. I could've sworn that someone went off on a pretty long tangent on how the epic mythal seed was really a misnomer and not really a true mythal. If I recall, it was the schismed Karsus arguing with himself BUT the main deal was that the true mythal was the layers were permanent and stationary and self-sufficient while the mythal seed was a cheap imitation. That was what I got out of it anyways, it was a fairly long schizophrenic rant. -We were discussing the differences between Wizardly and True High Magic Mythals. Wizardly Mythals are, in the most basic sense, "battery powered". In other words, the initial casting of the spell gives the Mythal the power that it needs to function, and it slowly unweaves as time passes. True High Magic Mythals, on the other hand, are akin to "living" weaves of magic. These Mythals thrive and are "powered" by the "life" of the Elven community they surround. They only begin to destabilize when the community begins to disappear, or when evil Outsiders begin appearing within, or near the field.
GothicDan 08-04-07, 09:46 PM	Googling the word gives indications that it was an Elven settlement, or inferences of such. "227 DR [Year of the Raised Banner] 1. The halfling realm of Meiritin is founded on the eastern shores of what is now known as Lake Esmel. [TSR9561] 2. Anorvail Nelnueve founds the small elven community of Lharraine on the banks of the Splendarrllur (what later shall be known as Myth Lharast)" Looks Elven to me. From a post on the Realms List.
Lord Karsus 08-04-07, 10:48 PM	-The fact that it was dedicated/consecrated to Selūne doesn't necessarily disbar it from being an Elven settlement, either. It doesn't really mean anything, actually. Just as some Humans can worship Fenmarel Mestarine, so too can some Elves worship Selūne. ::Shrug::
GothicDan 08-04-07, 11:15 PM	And the fact that it was initially founded as an Elven settlement of similar naming tradition is little more than a hint as to its origins, I'd imagine.
Krash 08-05-07, 08:44 AM	Googling the word gives indications that it was an Elven settlement, or inferences of such. "227 DR [Year of the Raised Banner] 1. The halfling realm of Meiritin is founded on the eastern shores of what is now known as Lake Esmel. [TSR9561] 2. Anorvail Nelnueve founds the small elven community of Lharraine on the banks of the Splendarrllur (what later shall be known as Myth Lharast)" Looks Elven to me. From a post on the Realms List. Someone has made that latter date up. It doesn't appear in any realmslore or published products. The "Nelnueve" reference is a giveaway given that this was the family name of Iliphar who was lord of the woods of Cormyr before that realm was founded - somewhat far from the environs of present-day Amn. The founding of Myth Lharast is rooted in the theocracy of Minsorran, a short-lived conclave of different religious orders (to Selūne, Lathander, Shar and Mystra) that settled around Lake Weng in Amn in the Year of the Late Sun (300 DR). This realm fell in the Year of Fire and Frost (600 DR) when a freak blizzard left the inhabitants at the mercy of the white dragon Icehauptannarthanyx. Myth Lharast was founded in the Year of the Half Moon (390 DR) as a "purer" temple city with worship solely to Selūne rather than the orthodox theocracy of Minsorran. It fell in the Year of the Dawn Rose (720 DR) when it was overrun by lycanthrope hordes. See the "Lands of Intrigue - Amn" booklet (p.54-55) for the sum total of information on this place. Oh, and no mention anywhere of elven influences. -- George Krashos
GothicDan 08-05-07, 09:53 AM	This is the URL of the Realms List post I was referring to: http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9904c&L=realms-l&D=1&F=&S=&P=23334 Judging from what you said, it may well be fan-added bits. There's also this, including posts from Schend and Boyd: http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0405c&L=realms-l&D=1&P=9049 It seems Myth Lharest also has some bits in RoMD and in Selune's entry in F&A, apparently. Mind you, my googling started in trying to find a response from one of the designers regarding the word 'Lharest,' since that seems the most likely source for LK's dictionary entry. :) I'm looking at Lands of Intrigue now. I don't have RuMD handy, though, so I can't personally check that.