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Nicholas the Paladin 10-21-07, 03:37 AM	Hello, I'm trying to understand the God Oghma a little bit better. What I find confusing is the domains trickery and knowledge on the one hand and the teaching of his dogma on the other hand, that say "spread truth and knowledge, so that all folk know more. Never deliver a message falsely or incompletely." Where's the trickery in this? I can't find anywhere in his teaching the concept of trickery. Okay, he's also the patron of Bards, but besides that I'm a bit lost. Do you have and idea how to integrate the 'trickery' part into Oghma?
johnkretzer 10-21-07, 04:03 AM	Hello, I'm trying to understand the God Oghma a little bit better. What I find confusing is the domains trickery and knowledge on the one hand and the teaching of his dogma on the other hand, that say "spread truth and knowledge, so that all folk know more. Never deliver a message falsely or incompletely." Where's the trickery in this? I can't find anywhere in his teaching the concept of trickery. Okay, he's also the patron of Bards, but besides that I'm a bit lost. Do you have and idea how to integrate the 'trickery' part into Oghma? Think about it this way sometimes one has to know how to lie to determine what is a lie. The old saying 'never con a con man.' So if you want to find the truth it might behoove to learn some of the lies. Yeah I know it is a little of a stretch but religions are like that times. I hope that it helps though.
Zsych 10-21-07, 04:16 AM	Never deliver a message falsely or incompletely from your point of view... which serves Oghma's purposes and spreads knowledge that Oghma wants proliferated(lets remember that he also stomps on the spreading of ideas that he thinks should not proliferate)
Nicholas the Paladin 10-21-07, 05:50 AM	Never deliver a message falsely or incompletely from your point of view... which serves Oghma's purposes and spreads knowledge that Oghma wants proliferated(lets remember that he also stomps on the spreading of ideas that he thinks should not proliferate) So in other words, you can't *deliberately* spread untruth but you can when you *think* it's the truth or if you think it's close enough to the truth. Can a priest or follower of Oghma try to cheat others? Like not being truthfull about your identity? Or lying about an occurance? Or lying about your motives? Is the truth only important when it comes to the speading of hard knowledge?
Nicholas the Paladin 10-22-07, 02:03 AM	Any more thoughts? Does anyone has experience playing a cleric of Oghma?
BadCatMan 10-22-07, 02:20 AM	This thread went over the mystery earlier this year: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=808779&highlight=trickery It hasn't come up with my Oghmyte character, but in a game I DM, I've been bothering an Oghmyte PC with a Leiran priestess claiming that Leira and Oghma were an item and have been working together to sort truth from lie, hence the Trickery thing. It might all be a lie of course. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-22-07, 09:10 AM	Maybe the idea is about how people who are very knowledgable are likely to be clever and therefore better at tricking people? *shrug*
Suin Bahhar 10-22-07, 10:20 AM	Because the Truth is often veiled behind a mystery. Unraveling riddles gives more understanding than the words inherent in the meaning. Cloaking truth in mystery brings greater knowledge on the long term. oO Wow Oo Yes, I could see different schools inbetween the clergy of Oghma that oppose the faction of clerics with the trickery domain and see the "riddlemasters" as heretics, sinning on Oghma by spreading falsehoods.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-22-07, 11:42 AM	I like the idea of a wise riddlemaster. That makes more sense to me than the idea of Oghmanytes spreading falsehoods.
Mula 10-23-07, 11:49 PM	I think it's there just for the bardic aspect. We never got a proper "bardic" domain, like Song or Performance. Charm tries, but doesn't cut it.
Andyr 10-29-07, 01:52 PM	Perhaps it crept in from Oghma's Celtic origins. I'm not too hot on Celtic mythology, though, so couldn't say for sure.