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yarethon 03-13-08, 03:51 PM	from http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15332573&posted=1#post15332573 Ioun is one of the new deities from D&D 4th Edition. A deity devoted to knowledge and prophecy, she is one of several new deities your characters will be able to devote themselves to in the new edition. Hey.. really.... I hope this is not true... I dont want my FR being recycled for the general game. Ioun as far as I am concerned was a Netherese arcanist... =(
Jiggawha 03-13-08, 04:06 PM	Congenio Ioun, he, not she, arcanist inventor, created Congenio's Pebbles later known as Ioun stones yea, disturbing
Bonzai 03-13-08, 05:24 PM	I don't think he was refering to Ioulum.
Alediran 03-13-08, 05:39 PM	No, he was refering to Congenio Ioun.
Todesherr 03-13-08, 07:36 PM	Maybe there just won't be a differentiated FR anymore...hmm....
yarethon 03-13-08, 07:52 PM	=( I just hope they wont come up with Alias the dragon and Karsus the gnome. =(
Lord Karsus 03-13-08, 09:01 PM	-This isn't Congenio Ioun, don't worry. Congenio Ioun was a 'he', and this 'Ioun' is a 'she'. This is also 'Core', and not 'Forgotten Realms'. 'Core' and 'Forgotten Realms' have a lot of differences for common items and races. The Forgotten Realms has a totally different origin for Kobolds than any other setting. -So, don't worry. And, hey, look at it like this. There were two Wulgreths, right? So, why can't there be two Iouns? It's a big multiverse out there... Alias the dragon and Karsus the gnome. -:censored: that!
Dark Wizard 03-13-08, 09:56 PM	Ioun is a reference/homage to Vance's Dying Earth, just like D&D modified the concept of Ioun stones in Vance's stories. The FR Netherese arcanist no doubt was another reference, or rather an origin story.
Faraer 03-13-08, 10:23 PM	I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one.
yarethon 03-13-08, 11:00 PM	-So, don't worry. And, hey, look at it like this. There were two Wulgreths, right? So, why can't there be two Iouns? It's a big multiverse out there... well, I guess... It is just a little bit annoying, because I was hoping for a unified cosmology, and having two inventors with the same name for the same thing is kind of weird... but well.. I guess the multiverse is weird. Ioun is a reference/homage to Vance's Dying Earth, just like D&D modified the concept of Ioun stones in Vance's stories. The FR Netherese arcanist no doubt was another reference, or rather an origin story. I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one. Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing. I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward. Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world. :censored: that! heheh I don't like that either.. I was just making a point. I mean being a vestige, a stone, a phylactery , etc... life is not easy for you. Who knows where this might lead in the end.
Faraer 03-13-08, 11:11 PM	Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing. I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward. Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world.It looks to me like repeating the disrespectful (to Vance) mistake Dale made.
Dark Wizard 03-13-08, 11:32 PM	Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing. I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward. Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world. I don't think the designers care all that much about a dozen big names or entire nations in past lore let alone a single obscure name. You're right this is not the end of the world, instead they have the Spellplague for that. ;) It looks to me like repeating the disrespectful (to Vance) mistake Dale made. Just what is the Vancian origin for them anyway? Do Ioun stones even work the same in Vance's work as they do in D&D?
Faraer 03-13-08, 11:52 PM	Yes, roughly the same. MAJOR SPOILER FOR RHIALTO THE MARVELLOUS: The nonhuman archveults gather the IOUN stones from the centres of dead stars.
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 12:03 AM	I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one. -I don't think so. There have been plenty of instances of parallel development of things in our history. I see no reason why similar instances wouldn't happen in the D&D worlds. I appreciate when items/races/classes/PrCs are given in-house explanations. I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward. Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world. -If you want to rectify things, he could have theoretically been named after her. heheh I don't like that either.. I was just making a point. I mean being a vestige, a stone, a phylactery , etc... life is not easy for you. Who knows where this might lead in the end. -Tell me about it...
MarkusTay63 03-14-08, 03:25 AM	Don't be so sure to dismiss the idea that FR is not going to be Core. They claim there is no Core anymore, and they sing the praises of "One rules to rule them all". And yet, when you watch that video from the Con, you clearly see that the Forgotten Realms NO LONGER HAS A LOGO!!! No logo = Core... except there isn't any core. They are playing the word game here... if it smells like a fish, looks like a fish, etc... They say there is no core just because they don't want an outcry from us. Note - Eberron has a logo still - if it its true that FR isn't core, then NONE of the settings should have a logo. Why is FR being singled out? They say the new core world doesn't really exist... but they are creating stuff for it... stuff we can easily 'plug-in' to FR... Its all BS, man, wait and see... :nonono:
Alediran 03-14-08, 06:35 AM	I noticed that too, another thing to be ****** of. FR will be as bland as Greyhawk during 3rd edition. WotC has basicaly killed FR as a separate setting.
MarkusTay63 03-14-08, 06:41 AM	FR has become the gaming equivalent of the 'Town Dump'. :( Lots of cool things in the dump, but in the end, the place is still a dump.
Stigger 03-14-08, 08:10 AM	But like a dump, you can take a trip down, sift through the garbage, and bring home something useful once in a while... Of course having said that, I've never even been remotely interested in sifting through one... too much work for the payoff as far as I'm concerned. ;) :D
yarethon 03-14-08, 10:30 AM	-If you want to rectify things, he could have theoretically been named after her. I like the way you are thinking, but then Congenio would not be the inventor of the famous stones, since he came after. That little bastard ...he was gettnig the credit for those stones all along tsc tsc... :P Never trust a Netherese! (no offense) You're right this is not the end of the world, instead they have the Spellplague for that. True.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-14-08, 11:45 AM	But like a dump, you can take a trip down, sift through the garbage, and bring home something useful once in a while... Dumpster diving, LOL. I appreciate the information about the origin of Ioun stones (ie. in the Vance stories).:) All that being said...well, I just see this as an example of "core" information that may not apply to the Realms.
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 12:02 PM	Don't be so sure to dismiss the idea that FR is not going to be Core. -Well, they said it's not, so...But... I like the way you are thinking, but then Congenio would not be the inventor of the famous stones, since he came after. -Or, in the Forgotten Realms, he was. Ioun Stones existed in other Crystal Spheres, but had yet to appear on Abeir-Toril. However he did, Congenio Ioun knew what the item was, and mass produced the first Ioun Stones to appear on Abeir-Toril.
18DELTA 03-14-08, 01:15 PM	I noticed that too, another thing to be ****** of. FR will be as bland as Greyhawk during 3rd edition. WotC has basicaly killed FR as a separate setting. -This is my presonal opinion. Most of the changes are because of the "Living Realms." Not trying to start a flame war, just my smelly opinion.:P Think about it changing some areas to be the dungeon regions or just off limits. Waterdeep, Cormyr, Balders Gate, The Dalelands, and The Empire of Shade:rolleyes: will probably be the major regions amongst others. Its the first setting that is getting released, so the bugs can get ironed out. What better way than through the RPGA. Player and administer feedback can show what needs errata. I could be wrong though. 18DELTA:)
Ifthir 03-14-08, 01:40 PM	well, I guess... It is just a little bit annoying, because I was hoping for a unified cosmology, and having two inventors with the same name for the same thing is kind of weird... but well.. I guess the multiverse is weird. Never underestimate the amount of money that is saved by recycling old ideas rather then creating new.
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 03:19 PM	-This is my presonal opinion. Most of the changes are because of the "Living Realms." -Nah, I don't think so. I know a few "Living" RPG people from the boards, and a lot of them disagree with the massive changes as the next, "Non-Living" guy.
Alediran 03-14-08, 03:24 PM	the next, "Non-Living" guy. Does it means I'm a Baelnorn?
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 03:49 PM	Does it means I'm a Baelnorn? -No.
Alediran 03-14-08, 04:30 PM	I don't want to be a zombie.
The Ubbergeek 03-14-08, 05:26 PM	I don't want to be a zombie. Too late, you're one already.
MarkusTay63 03-14-08, 06:10 PM	"As the anti-4e army of Zombies storm the WotC headquarters, their cry for "Brains!" goes unanswered...." ;)
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 08:32 PM	"As the anti-4e army of Zombies storm the WotC headquarters, their cry for "Brains!" goes unanswered...." ;) -After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :P
SmartPaladin 03-14-08, 08:51 PM	-After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :P If those zombies just eat brains... Then I fear those at the WotC office are safe. Well, at least the one's we'd want the zombies to eat and kill. :rolleyes:
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 08:57 PM	-I feel bad for the reputation we've given them. Most of 'em probably aren't half bad.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-14-08, 09:31 PM	Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance!
SmartPaladin 03-14-08, 10:05 PM	-I feel bad for the reputation we've given them. Most of 'em probably aren't half bad. Well, it wouldn't be so bad if half of the developers talked to each other. I don't mind the class updates, I don't mind the changes to races, although I still don't like what they've done with the Tiefling, let alone the Aasimar... I was however put out with them on the deities. Did they really have to axe so many of them? I mean, really? Or have X deity be really Y deity from Z pantheon? Their going from "to many" to "needlessly complicated". Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance! An internet cookie for bring up one of the coolest Micheal Jackson songs ever. :cookie:
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 11:03 PM	Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance! http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/thriller/43.gif http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/thriller/45.gif http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/thriller/46.gif -Note that the above really is on-topic for this thread. Ohhhh man... This is upsetting! :) Did they really have to axe so many of them? I mean, really? -Apparently so. Apparently, the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept of multiple deities, of different racial pantheons, some more power and prevalent than others.
SmartPaladin 03-14-08, 11:42 PM	-Apparently so. Apparently, the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept of multiple deities, of different racial pantheons, some more power and prevalent than others. I understood it. Just like I understood all of the Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec, ect. No one seemed to cry foul on them, granted, they're aren't nearly worshiped as much as they used to be, but still.
Lord Karsus 03-14-08, 11:47 PM	I understood it. Just like I understood all of the Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec, ect. No one seemed to cry foul on them, granted, they're aren't nearly worshiped as much as they used to be, but still. -As did virtually everyone else here. Go figure...
SmartPaladin 03-14-08, 11:55 PM	-As did virtually everyone else here. Go figure... You ever get the feeling they all just made the ruling to axe so many deities because they all had a serious hang over and they didn't want to think so hard about all of them?
Lord Karsus 03-15-08, 12:00 AM	You ever get the feeling they all just made the ruling to axe so many deities because they all had a serious hang over and they didn't want to think so hard about all of them? -I hope not. I like to think that these are mostly professional people, here.
SmartPaladin 03-15-08, 12:02 AM	-I hope not. I like to think that these are mostly professional people, here. Like Professionals don't get drunk!
Lord Karsus 03-15-08, 12:05 AM	Like Professionals don't get drunk! -They don't often get drunk, and then begin working, I hope.
MarkusTay63 03-15-08, 09:47 PM	-After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :PThats kinda what I meant... The next part of that story would have went - "The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..."
SmartPaladin 03-15-08, 10:28 PM	Thats kinda what I meant... The next part of that story would have went - "The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..." But they are already "dead". How are they gonna starve to "death"?
Todesherr 03-16-08, 12:09 AM	Thats kinda what I meant... The next part of that story would have went - "The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..." Touche. Why is it that American English is going down the tubes so quickly? What is the past participle of the verb go? :eek: :eek: :OMG! :OMG!
MarkusTay63 03-16-08, 02:35 AM	You MUST be joking... :rolleyes:
msatran 03-16-08, 12:40 PM	I'm actually so disgusted with these changes that I probably will not buy any 4th edition Forgotten Realms Products. And let me tell you, I bought a lot. By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague. Why haven't dragons gone nuts/freaked out/turned into cheese and pumpkins? They cast mighty magics too, and when the weave goes, thither go their sorcerer levels and draconic abilities.
MarkusTay63 03-16-08, 02:07 PM	Naw, it affected them differently... all they lost were their alignments. :rolleyes: I'll buy the FRCG, more out of morbid criousity then anything else (plus it will probably be useful in converting my current-year game to 4e rules). Only if it totally knocks my socks off will I buy anything else FR, but I really don't see that happening at this point.
Stigger 03-16-08, 04:50 PM	I don't really expect it to be that difficult to convert to 4e if Saga is any indication. Slightly annoying at first, but relatively fast and easy once you get the hang of it. Can't say I'm even planning on buying the FRCG, even out of curiosity... not much more than the PHB, DMG, MM, and maybe a few of the item/spell related stuff depending on whether I like the new format or not.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-16-08, 07:12 PM	-Note that the above really is on-topic for this thread. Ohhhh man... This is upsetting! :) That was COOOOOOOL!:) Thanks for posting those! Hey SmartPaladin, thanks for the cookie.;)
Lord Karsus 03-17-08, 09:14 AM	You MUST be joking... :rolleyes: -We don't speak English, anyway. We speak New York. Or, here's how I would have literally spelled how I would have said that sentence: -We don' speek English, anyway. We speek New Yawk. Awe, he'ahs how I woud'a literalee spelled how I would'a sed th/dat sentence. -Something like that. By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague. -There's various flaws in the Spellplague. From canon predicent, when Mystra dies under normal circumstances, the continent/world/Crystal Sphere becomes a massive Dead Magic Zone. The Spellplague, is magical in nature, obviously. How can magic function? And, of course, last time Mystra died under normal circumstances (Mystryl), there was no massive magical cataclysm. That was COOOOOOOL!:) Thanks for posting those! -You ask, I oblige. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-17-08, 02:28 PM	-There's various flaws in the Spellplague. In fact, the Spellplague pretty much is one big, giant FLAW. -You ask, I oblige. :) Awww! Thanks.:)
SmartPaladin 03-17-08, 03:12 PM	-We don't speak English, anyway. We speak New York. Or, here's how I would have literally spelled how I would have said that sentence: Heh, I could have posted with my southern drawl. But I don't think I ever picked one up... The only time it comes out is when I say "Ya'll".
Alediran 03-17-08, 03:45 PM	Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it :cool:
Lord Karsus 03-17-08, 05:37 PM	Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it :cool: -It's like Druidic. ;)
Todesherr 03-17-08, 07:42 PM	You MUST be joking... :rolleyes: I am not joking. As a teacher of languages such things are very upsetting to me.You may not care about using the correct past participle but I do as do many others on the forum.
Stigger 03-17-08, 08:47 PM	Hmmm... indeed. Fairly rare to find correct grammar on the internet really... much less spelling. Hope you have a lot of aspirin. ;)
MarkusTay63 03-18-08, 03:36 AM	I am not joking. As a teacher of languages such things are very upsetting to me.You may not care about using the correct past participle but I do as do many others on the forum.I used to teach first grade... NO... I'm serious... years ago... Don't you know NYers are the only people who speak correctly? :P And if that bothers you so much, you need more marijuana in your diet. ;) ... or you can just blame it on the Spellplague. :dancin: But they are already "dead". How are they gonna starve to "death"?Hey, if Vampires can have children (which they seem to do lately), then my zombies can DIE... again! :D
Lord Karsus 03-18-08, 10:36 AM	Don't you know NYers are the only people who speak correctly? :P -That's what I said. Maybe they'll listen now...
MarkusTay63 03-18-08, 12:29 PM	Yo, you got dat right... ;) Otherwise I'll have to go all 'Joe Pesci' on his butt. :P "Whatta my? A clown to you?"
Lord Karsus 03-18-08, 12:37 PM	Yo, you got dat right... ;) Otherwise I'll have to go all 'Joe Pesci' on his butt. :P "Whatta my? A clown to you?" -Well, we don't necessarily say 'yo', but we do say 'dat'. And whatta my. And coopon, which is apparently wrong. And, apparently, we are the only ones who stand 'on line'. Everyone else stands 'in line'. Weird. -This is actually a very itneresting article, to see the things that we say that are apparently 'wrong', how things developed, and whatever else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Accent
Alediran 03-18-08, 12:40 PM	I hope I never need to visit NY because I'll go crazy with your slang. England's English also drives me nuts, when Iron Maiden played most of the time I couldn't undestand what Bruce Dickinson was saying to the crowd, and I have a good ear for english (every day I return home from work there is at least one group of people talking in english in the subway and I always pay attention to them).
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-18-08, 12:47 PM	Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it :cool: I'm puertorican and I (think I can) understand it. ( I used to watch alot of Locomotionback in the day :) @Todesherr. considering that I learned enghish by watching TV and reading Comic books I think I do 'aite' :P
Lord Karsus 03-18-08, 12:54 PM	I hope I never need to visit NY because I'll go crazy with your slang. -Feh. You just can't handle the awesomeness! :P (every day I return home from work there is at least one group of people talking in english in the subway and I always pay attention to them). -How often is it spoken there, anyway? Like, make up a percentage, or something, of people who use it. @Todesherr. considering that I learned enghish by watching TV and reading Comic books I think I do 'aite' :P -And they say television and comic books aren't educational. :nonono: -That is awesome, though. ;)
Alediran 03-18-08, 12:59 PM	-Feh. You just can't handle the awesomeness! :P I'm used to a more neutral english. -How often is it spoken there, anyway? Like, make up a percentage, or something, of people who use it. It's not everyday, but Buenos Aires being a touristic city has plenty of touristic places with people that speaks english. Most Programmers and RPG players have fluency with english (all my players except one have good english skills, my GF is an English Teacher)
SmartPaladin 03-18-08, 01:59 PM	-And they say television and comic books aren't educational. :nonono: -That is awesome, though. ;) They say the same thing about video games... Think they'll ever learn? :P
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-18-08, 02:37 PM	-And they say television and comic books aren't educational. :nonono: -That is awesome, though. ;) Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.:cool:
Stigger 03-18-08, 03:11 PM	Just so long as you aren't as annoying as that twerp... :P :D I'm not going into accents... it'd just aggravate me to mention it, and I don't need that today.
Lord Karsus 03-18-08, 04:17 PM	Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.:cool: -Hey, whatever works, right?
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-18-08, 04:26 PM	Right!
SmartPaladin 03-18-08, 04:43 PM	Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.:cool: As long as your choices in girls remain in the "legal" area. For a while there, the only thing I could get was Jail Bait... And I've spoke english all of my life. :embarrass
Stigger 03-18-08, 06:13 PM	Jail bait... that's a term I haven't heard in a while... thankfully. Been married almost 17 years now though (maybe 16, I've kinda lost track), so its not really an issue for me anymore. :D
Lord Karsus 03-18-08, 10:37 PM	...(maybe 16, I've kinda lost track)... -Bet you don't admit that part.
Stigger 03-19-08, 10:06 AM	Nope, I admit it freely actually. I'm the one who remembers the exact dates, she's the one who remembers the larger scale time frames... of course I'm also the guy who has trouble remembering how old he is exactly. :D
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-19-08, 01:35 PM	As long as your choices in girls remain in the "legal" area. For a while there, the only thing I could get was Jail Bait... And I've spoke english all of my life. :embarrass No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW) :cool:
Lord Karsus 03-19-08, 02:47 PM	No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW) :cool: -As long as she's actually 18...:thumbsup: -Don't think about the fact that you were pretty much 10 when she was just born, though. Or the fact that, when you were in high school, she was really just starting kindergarten. Or...
Stigger 03-19-08, 07:12 PM	You know, its thinking like that which makes the idea of bedding younger women something that turns my stomach. Beyond that, I like them a bit older than myself... softer and squishier generally. :D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-19-08, 08:56 PM	I actually don't think a 10 year gap is that big of a deal (provided, of course, that both parties are adults). It's kind of funny to imagine the age difference as kids (ie. one a baby, the other well into elementary school), but if both people click, that's what counts.:)
Lord Karsus 03-19-08, 10:12 PM	-I've been told that you take your age, add the digits together, and the appropriate ages you can date are plus and minus that. So, for example, I am 21. 2+1 is 3. So, it'd be okay for me to date a person anywhere between 18 and 24. -A little silly, but whatever...
Alediran 03-19-08, 10:46 PM	Well, my father was 23 when he married my mother, which is 12 years older than him.
Lord Karsus 03-19-08, 10:57 PM	Well, my father was 23 when he married my mother, which is 12 years older than him. -He was 23, and she was 35? Whoa...I don't know which is crazier: the age difference, or the fact he was getting married at 23! ;) :D
Stigger 03-20-08, 02:01 AM	Hey!!! I got married at 19. :P
Lord Karsus 03-20-08, 02:15 AM	-Whoa, is all I will say. ;)
Stigger 03-20-08, 02:34 AM	Probably best that way...
Lord Karsus 03-20-08, 02:54 AM	-Well, if you're still married, then obviously things worked out, so good for you. :)
Stigger 03-20-08, 02:57 AM	Indeed so. Can barely remember when I wasn't married really, and am pretty sure I don't necessarily want to... :D
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-20-08, 09:47 AM	-As long as she's actually 18...:thumbsup: -Don't think about the fact that you were pretty much 10 when she was just born, though. Or the fact that, when you were in high school, she was really just starting kindergarten. Or... She in the army so, If she's old enough to kill....:D There's also the act that I look younger (people usually think that I'm 19-21ish) and that I actually don't think a 10 year gap is that big of a deal (provided, of course, that both parties are adults). It's kind of funny to imagine the age difference as kids (ie. one a baby, the other well into elementary school), but if both people click, that's what counts.:) Thanks Rin :D I KNEW you were going to see things my way :cool:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-20-08, 11:07 AM	-I've been told that you take your age, add the digits together, and the appropriate ages you can date are plus and minus that. So, for example, I am 21. 2+1 is 3. So, it'd be okay for me to date a person anywhere between 18 and 24. -A little silly, but whatever... I think so.:) What matters, in my opinion, is what you are comfortable with. Note, though, that I have found (through experience) that age in itself is not the best indicator of maturity.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-20-08, 11:12 AM	Thanks Rin :D I KNEW you were going to see things my way :cool: Well, suffice to say I have experience with age gaps like that--I've had a boyfriend who was 14 years older than me (yes, really). I'm not with him anymore, but the age difference didn't bother me. I was aware, however, that it could have mattered more down the years (ie. 40 years old is different from 60 years old).
Lord Karsus 03-20-08, 11:53 AM	There's also the act that I look younger (people usually think that I'm 19-21ish) and that -Yeah, me too. Though, when people see me, they think I'm like 16 or something. Note, though, that I have found (through experience) that age in itself is not the best indicator of maturity. -Definitley not.
SmartPaladin 03-20-08, 01:43 PM	No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW) :cool: Well, so long as your both happy, regardless of the age gap, then I'm all for you both and I hope you find happiness. :) Granted, your talking to the guy who's Mother once told his Father when his Grandmother got remarried "She's 80+ (don't really remember the age at the time), not in the ground! Let her live her life." I love my Mother. :P
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-22-08, 04:27 PM	Well, so long as your both happy, regardless of the age gap, then I'm all for you both and I hope you find happiness. :) Granted, your talking to the guy who's Mother once told his Father when his Grandmother got remarried "She's 80+ (don't really remember the age at the time), not in the ground! Let her live her life." I love my Mother. :P Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else(somehow I get alot of those but no serious relationships :().
SmartPaladin 03-22-08, 04:47 PM	Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else(somehow I get alot of those but no serious relationships :(). Aye, but your booty or hers? :P Don't worry, one day you'll get lucky and find the one you are to be with for the remainder of your days. Well, it's ether that, or be alone until the end of days...
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 04:56 PM	Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else... -What the hell? Why is it that nothing to that effect has ever happened to me, ever?
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-22-08, 05:26 PM	LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment or maybe I'm just that good :rofl: :cool: Its bittersweet thing. In one hand is great cuz well know know ;) but in the other hand it KILLs your reputation cuz now "you a playa' " and I'm tired of that I just want to settle in and stop playing "the game"
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 05:47 PM	or maybe I'm just that good :rofl: :cool: -Well, you are a Hand of Karsus. :)
MarkusTay63 03-22-08, 07:48 PM	Strangely enough, I found you have to NOT want it, for it to become widely available. Its like women can sense when you're not interested, and they take it as a personal affront. Time and time again I found myself in rather akward situations, and said "WTF?" It happens when you least expect it, and it is not nearly as 'great' as people make it sound. Before I was married, and a total geek, I couldn't get la_d in a w__rehouse. After I was 'taken', its like an 'alarm' went off or something... weird.... :nonono: So LK, just stop looking for it... your time will come... ;)
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 07:55 PM	Strangely enough, I found you have to NOT want it, for it to become widely available. Its like women can sense when you're not interested, and they take it as a personal affront. -It's not as if I walk around, hitting on random people. Contrary to popular belief, I am nothing like that. Hell, when I see people I sort of know, I don't even say anything. Like, just the other day, I ran into someone I knew in high school, at Staples. I didn't say anything.
SmartPaladin 03-22-08, 08:20 PM	LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment I've lived for the moment all my life. On one hand, it's handy if you just go though life making it up as you go, but on the other hand, you find when you do make plans, they seemingly tend to fall through. Really demoralizing. My hat is off to you however for going into basic training and the military. I hope that whatever you do, you remain safe from harm. As much as chicks may dig the scars, being in a body bag is a turn off for most women. :P -It's not as if I walk around, hitting on random people. Contrary to popular belief, I am nothing like that. Hell, when I see people I sort of know, I don't even say anything. Like, just the other day, I ran into someone I knew in high school, at Staples. I didn't say anything. Huh, and here I am saying helo to just about everyone I walk by. Then there's the people I strike up random conversations with seemingly outta no where. Last time was in the electronics at Wallyworld (Wal-Mart).
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 08:22 PM	Huh, and here I am saying helo to just about everyone I walk by. Then there's the people I strike up random conversations with seemingly outta no where. Last time was in the electronics at Wallyworld (Wal-Mart). -Yeah, that fact is probably why I don't have any, you know, real friends. :raincloud
SmartPaladin 03-22-08, 08:27 PM	-Yeah, that fact is probably why I don't have any, you know, real friends. :raincloud My friend, I only have four friends€ altogether. Two of whom I met online in a MMO, I then later went to their wedding (They married each other). You may not be as alone as you may think. :)
MarkusTay63 03-22-08, 10:11 PM	I think the only real friend I have is my ex-wife... Now thats just plain sad. :( Although, like SmartPaladin, I talk to everyone just about everywhere I go, so I make friends as I need them. :D I guess that gives me 1 friend, and 1 million aquaintences. :P I'll be in Manhattan tomorrow, so I guess I'll be able to add another 8 Million to that list.
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 11:43 PM	My friend, I only have four friends€ altogether. -Well, you're about four friends* up on me. :raincloud *I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences.
18DELTA 03-22-08, 11:43 PM	LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment or maybe I'm just that good :rofl: :cool: Its bittersweet thing. In one hand is great cuz well know know ;) but in the other hand it KILLs your reputation cuz now "you a playa' " and I'm tired of that I just want to settle in and stop playing "the game" -Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D 18DELTA;)
Lord Karsus 03-22-08, 11:45 PM	When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). -Frank Burns, and Trapper John, for instance.
SmartPaladin 03-23-08, 02:39 PM	-Well, you're about four friends* up on me. :raincloud *I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences. Don't worry Lord Karsus. We still love you. :P *tries to get the image of Lord Karsus singing "Mr Lonely" out of his head* -Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D 18DELTA;) It's probably a bad sign that one of my first thoughts was "Look on the bright side, you have kids!" huh? I mean sure, you missed half the fun of making the little beasties, but it's not like you'll miss out on making the next ones. Provided you don't do a real divorce... Sidenote: I never claimed to be sane.
Stigger 03-23-08, 02:49 PM	Think I tend to be more like LK in most respects... not even sure I consider my players truly friends... my wife is the only person I think that I truly consider my friend. As to booty calls... haven't indulged in those since I got married, but a lot of it has to do with how comfortable you are with your own body. Dancing I found to be a very good way of getting them... maybe its the latin blood thing with our hips actually moving while dancing, but it usually worked for me. :D
Lord Karsus 03-23-08, 03:19 PM	-Most of the people, in real life, I am friendly with are either family members, or friends of either my mother, father, or stepfather, who I, in turn, consider friends, even though they really aren't.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-23-08, 10:15 PM	-Yeah, me too. Though, when people see me, they think I'm like 16 or something. People often seem to think I'm younger than I am, too, which I take as a compliment.:cool:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-23-08, 10:18 PM	*I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences. We've met.:) And we'll see each other again. I think that's at least a first step to becoming friends (though truth be told, I consider you a friend anyway).
Lord Karsus 03-23-08, 10:48 PM	People often seem to think I'm younger than I am, too, which I take as a compliment.:cool: -You do look a lot younger than you are. For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is. We've met.:) And we'll see each other again. I think that's at least a first step to becoming friends (though truth be told, I consider you a friend anyway). -That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then. :) -I need to actually meet more of you people! -I have like, 54 friends on Facebook, and 95% of them, I haven't actually ever met, or I haven't spoken to them in years and years.
DraconsNighthawk 03-23-08, 11:15 PM	Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....), and I wanna be a hand of Karsus! And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period.
SmartPaladin 03-23-08, 11:41 PM	I look younger then I really am, but I'm used to it. Also, I wouldn't mind meeting Lord Karsus, but I bet half way through he'd be wishing I'd just leave him alone. :P
Lord Karsus 03-23-08, 11:55 PM	Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....)... -Karsus is my favorite poster, too. And, no, he is not an old person. and I wanna be a hand of Karsus! -It's a very demanding job. Think you can handle it? And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period. -I was watching the Centurions the other day. Does that count for something? :cool: Also, I wouldn't mind meeting Lord Karsus, but I bet half way through he'd be wishing I'd just leave him alone. :P -Depends. Maybe, but probably not.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-24-08, 11:53 AM	-You do look a lot younger than you are. Thanks.:cool: For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is. I think in some cases it might be. Say, if you're in your 50s, and people think you are still in your 30s. But I see what you mean, though. -That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then. :) I'm so glad.:) -I need to actually meet more of you people! Yeah, me too.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-24-08, 11:54 AM	Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....), and I wanna be a hand of Karsus! I'm very flattered, thank you.:) And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period. LOL indeed.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-24-08, 11:55 AM	-I was watching the Centurions the other day. Does that count for something? :cool: Heh, I know what you speak of.
msatran 03-24-08, 12:30 PM	-You do look a lot younger than you are. For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is. -That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then. :) -I need to actually meet more of you people! -I have like, 54 friends on Facebook, and 95% of them, I haven't actually ever met, or I haven't spoken to them in years and years. You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40?
Keryth 03-24-08, 12:42 PM	I'm actually so disgusted with these changes that I probably will not buy any 4th edition Forgotten Realms Products. And let me tell you, I bought a lot. By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague. Why haven't dragons gone nuts/freaked out/turned into cheese and pumpkins? They cast mighty magics too, and when the weave goes, thither go their sorcerer levels and draconic abilities. Yep, and they don;t have em in 4e, nor do they have the whole Chromatic=evil, metallic=good, gemstone=neutral anymore. So, the Spellplague FUBAR'ed them too. :)
Keryth 03-24-08, 12:44 PM	Heh, I could have posted with my southern drawl. But I don't think I ever picked one up... The only time it comes out is when I say "Ya'll". Ya'll ain't no word! :)
Lord Karsus 03-24-08, 01:21 PM	You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40? -That is a very, very good point. I figured you were like in your late 20s.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-24-08, 02:31 PM	You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40? I don't think so.:)
Stigger 03-25-08, 02:32 AM	Pretty easy to tell that I'm pushing closer to 40 these days, considering my hair is turning stark white at a fairly good pace... though it started doing that in my late 20's.
Alediran 03-25-08, 09:45 AM	Pretty easy to tell that I'm pushing closer to 40 these days, considering my hair is turning stark white at a fairly good pace... though it started doing that in my late 20's. Stranger is what's happening to my hair, it's going from my usual ash to blonde in some parts.
Stigger 03-25-08, 01:34 PM	That is odd. I was kinda hoping my hair would do the white thing actually, as it happened to my grandfather, and looked pretty cool on him in the pictures. :D
Lord Karsus 03-25-08, 02:53 PM	-I wonder when the next Countdown to the Realms article is...?
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 03-25-08, 11:26 PM	-Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D 18DELTA;) LOL no, she's the girl that you don't look twice in ACUs (the new uniform) but look stunning in "civies" and as for friendships: FOr me a friend is the people that are with you in dire tie when they have nothing to gain for being your friend. Now that said, I'm "everybodies' friend" at work, I get "you are the greatest friend" in a daily basis, I don't think of all of them as friends but most people think of me as their friends. I'll say I have 3 friend here but soon to be 0 since 1 is deploying 1 was a reservist that when back to Miami and the and somethig happened with the last one lastnight that made the friendship akward.:( as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother :) (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!)
SmartPaladin 03-26-08, 01:36 AM	LOL no, she's the girl that you don't look twice in ACUs (the new uniform) but look stunning in "civies" and as for friendships: FOr me a friend is the people that are with you in dire tie when they have nothing to gain for being your friend. Now that said, I'm "everybodies' friend" at work, I get "you are the greatest friend" in a daily basis, I don't think of all of them as friends but most people think of me as their friends. I'll say I have 3 friend here but soon to be 0 since 1 is deploying 1 was a reservist that when back to Miami and the and somethig happened with the last one lastnight that made the friendship akward.:( as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother :) (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!) Aren't the new uniforms also called digies? I hate those... I wouldn't mind meeting half of the people here ether, but I'm just odd like that. :P Be fitting for everyone to met the madness that dares to call it's self the SmartPaladin of Hoar. :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-26-08, 08:54 PM	as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother :) (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!) Thanks--hope to see you sometime, too.:)