Portfolio: Anarchy [Archive] - Wizards Community

Portfolio: Anarchy [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Lady_Mhaor
04-03-07, 07:19 PM Who Currently holds that portfolio?

And while I'm at it, Seeing how when some gods die some parts of them are still floating around (remnants) i.e. Myrkul(Crown of Horns) Mystra(one before midnight) Bane(BaneLich and all those other ones)

Doesn't that give the lesser deity of anarchy a chance to be floating around somewhere?
BrennonGoldeye
04-03-07, 08:07 PM Hm. Talos? That's a stretch. :cip:
Burningspear
04-03-07, 08:25 PM I would Vote Garagos :tie:
No other god is immersed as much in chaos as he is, personally and portfolio wise as well.
BadCatMan
04-03-07, 08:39 PM The obscure Valigan Thirdborn, a lesser deity of anarchy who appeared during the fall of Jhaamdath and the mess afterwards, was slain by Tyr (and/or his army), who obviously didn't take the portfolio. [Faiths & Pantheons]

I would guess you could include aspects of anarchy in Bane's / Cyric's strife portfolio. (Which fits my theories of the Dread Three being Old Empires deities who knocked off several lost gods of the Jhaamdath and the Turami pantheons) But anarchy wouldn't sit well with Bane's control and rule practices.

Actually, the essential meaning behind anarchy is literally "no rule". It would be quite fitting if no-one actually held control over it.
BrennonGoldeye
04-03-07, 08:44 PM Hmmm, portfolio of Anarchy lost along with Jhaamdath?

:evillaugh Muhahahuahuahuahuaaaa...***cough***

Ha...
Burningspear
04-03-07, 08:45 PM The obscure Valigan Thirdborn, a lesser deity of anarchy who appeared during the fall of Jhaamdath and the mess afterwards, was slain by Tyr (and/or his army), who obviously didn't take the portfolio. [Faiths & Pantheons]
.

Jees, all the "new" "crap" they come out with :plotting:, makes u wonder why they even bother to keep the old stuff alive :)

I still Say: Garagos, Master of Chaos/ Anarchy and singular battle
GothicDan
04-03-07, 09:05 PM Talos holds 'rebellions.' It's not the same, but it's similar. I'd say that he'd hold the actions of the 'anarchy' portfolio by sheer brute force, and would have the first hand in actually acquiring it for good, too.
Burningspear
04-03-07, 09:15 PM Talos holds 'rebellions.' It's not the same, but it's similar. I'd say that he'd hold the actions of the 'anarchy' portfolio by sheer brute force, and would have the first hand in actually acquiring it for good, too.

And Garagos with: War, Plunder and destructions is not a perfect contender?
with his little detail of fomenting wars and dissent.

Garagos (gah-rah-gohs), the deity of war and plunder, is chaotic neutral.
His titles include the Reaver and the Master of All Weapons.
He is an older deity whose place has been more or less taken by his
younger rival Tempus. Garagos is more concerned with war’s
destructiveness and plundering than with strategy or tactics, and he
and his followers attack and destroy any rivals who stand in their
way. The domains associated with him are Chaos, Destruction,
Strength, and War, and his favored weapon is the longsword.

Still dislike the longsword change, it should have been something like scimitar or Falchion or any other rounder type sword.
BadCatMan
04-03-07, 09:21 PM It all depends how you see Anarchy.

The idea also represents a utopian state of society where no-one is being ruled over by another, everyone is free, no-one repressed. It's all very Hippy, and could be represented by a Chaotic Good diety.
GothicDan
04-03-07, 09:23 PM And Garagos with: War, Plunder and destructions is not a perfect contender?

... No? Plunder can be a very lawful thing, and Talos has the actual portfolio of 'Destruction' itself.
Burningspear
04-03-07, 09:25 PM ... No? Plunder can be a very lawful thing, and Talos has the actual portfolio of 'Destruction' itself.

riiiight, in my view plunder is never lawful, u should then call it "spoils of war", but as plunder it is chaos..
Burningspear
04-03-07, 09:37 PM It all depends how you see Anarchy.

The idea also represents a utopian state of society where no-one is being ruled over by another, everyone is free, no-one repressed. It's all very Hippy, and could be represented by a Chaotic Good diety.

Sharess, and maybe Lliira come to mind then, but i regard anarchy as a bad form of chaos, so i don't think they are the best in my eyes,
Borris
04-03-07, 09:50 PM If you're thinking of anarchy as rebellion or revolution, then Talos is the god you seek.

If you'd rather attain individual freedom from rules through more peaceful means, then Lliira, with her portfolios of freedom and liberty seems a good choice.

I'd wager anarchists and revolutionaries of all sorts pay at least lip service to both deities.
Lady_Mhaor
04-03-07, 10:12 PM hmm in that case Anarchy could be split up among two deities like War is

unless Ao had a problem with it *mutters something about overthrowing him*

but what about free floating god-parts?
BrennonGoldeye
04-04-07, 09:58 AM but what about free floating god-parts?

Hmmm, I'm reminded of Deep Sashelas. Oy, now thats free-floating.:eek:
GothicDan
04-04-07, 10:07 AM riiiight, in my view plunder is never lawful, u should then call it "spoils of war", but as plunder it is chaos..

Even assuming it IS Lawful, Garagos is all but faded away almost entirely. Talos has been around for at least as long as he has, and, as I said, 'rebellion' is the portfolio actually closest to 'anarchy,' and Talos has it.
BrennonGoldeye
04-04-07, 11:07 AM Besides, Talos wears that codpiece with the :cip: symbol on it. :rolleyes:
Burningspear
04-04-07, 11:14 AM Even assuming it IS Lawful, Garagos is all but faded away almost entirely. Talos has been around for at least as long as he has, and, as I said, 'rebellion' is the portfolio actually closest to 'anarchy,' and Talos has it.

no, thats what they wrote him to be, and that is exactly why i dislike some of the changes they made :ahem: :banghead: :lop:
GothicDan
04-04-07, 11:16 AM What do you mean, that's what they wrote him to be? From his very inception, that's how Garagos was defined. His history and character weren't changed or retconned or anything.
GothicDan
04-04-07, 11:17 AM Besides, Talos wears that codpiece with the symbol on it.

Booyah!

I prefer the old description/picture of him from Faiths and Avatars. Then again, almost all of the art in Faiths and Pantheons is so atrocious it makes me vomit a little. ;)

Hm, phase planes for linear systems with real eigenvalues...
Lady_Mhaor
04-04-07, 11:21 AM What do you mean, that's what they wrote him to be? From his very inception, that's how Garagos was defined. His history and character weren't changed or retconned or anything.

Nah garagos used to be The god of war all smart planning and strategy, then tempus came along and killed him.

The garagos was reborn again from his faithful but he lack his aforementioned finesse and brains

One of the reason tempus tolerates him (*cough sidetracked convo cough*)
Burningspear
04-04-07, 11:23 AM Nah garagos used to be The god of war all smart planning and strategy, then tempus came along and killed him.

The garagos was reborn again from his faithful but he lack his aforementioned finesse and brains

One of the reason tempus tolerates him (*cough sidetracked convo cough*)

He never died and he was never the god of planning and sounder strategy, but he was not nearly as mindless as they portray him now :(
GothicDan
04-04-07, 11:26 AM Yes, yes he was. He was portrayed in such a way all the way back to Powers and Pantheons, as far as I know.
Burningspear
04-04-07, 11:36 AM Yes, yes he was. He was portrayed in such a way all the way back to Powers and Pantheons, as far as I know.

I have the Netheril setting books (not with me though) and remember him as a chaotic wargod, not a mindless imbiciel (Dutch for moron)....
GothicDan
04-04-07, 11:39 AM That's the impression I got on him from the Netheril boxed set. Of course, that was the most terrible boxed set ever made, too.

Tempus is a Chaotic War God. Garagos was... More like a cross between Tempus, Malar, and Talos.
Mad Mage
04-04-07, 01:01 PM Overall, this is a portfolio I see being too ambigious to be held by a deity. On one end, you got the free-living ideal, and on the other, you've got the wild, uncontrollable ruffian stereotype.
Lady_Mhaor
04-04-07, 02:04 PM So the Thirdborn was basically a CN rogue
Razz
04-04-07, 03:39 PM Valigan Thirdborn...sounds like a mortal who had ascended to a god controlling the portfolio of Anarchy. Would've been some interesting lore to learn.

I wish the designers did a Faiths&Pantheons-type book dealing specifically with ancient deities from the past: who they were, what they did, and how their servants may or may not be alive and how to slowly integerate a dead deity back into Faerun (through obvious use of Servant of the Fallen feat). And which deities are officialy making a comeback and what will become of Faerun when they do (for example, Auppenser is still alive, barely, and Nanna-Sin is making a comeback thanks to her servants transporting to Unther and aiding them against Mulhorandi).

Not interested in deity stats, other than what is necessary to be a Cleric of said deity such as alignment, domains, portfolio, favored weapon, etc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lady_Mhaor 04-03-07, 07:19 PM	Who Currently holds that portfolio? And while I'm at it, Seeing how when some gods die some parts of them are still floating around (remnants) i.e. Myrkul(Crown of Horns) Mystra(one before midnight) Bane(BaneLich and all those other ones) Doesn't that give the lesser deity of anarchy a chance to be floating around somewhere?
BrennonGoldeye 04-03-07, 08:07 PM	Hm. Talos? That's a stretch. :cip:
Burningspear 04-03-07, 08:25 PM	I would Vote Garagos :tie: No other god is immersed as much in chaos as he is, personally and portfolio wise as well.
BadCatMan 04-03-07, 08:39 PM	The obscure Valigan Thirdborn, a lesser deity of anarchy who appeared during the fall of Jhaamdath and the mess afterwards, was slain by Tyr (and/or his army), who obviously didn't take the portfolio. [Faiths & Pantheons] I would guess you could include aspects of anarchy in Bane's / Cyric's strife portfolio. (Which fits my theories of the Dread Three being Old Empires deities who knocked off several lost gods of the Jhaamdath and the Turami pantheons) But anarchy wouldn't sit well with Bane's control and rule practices. Actually, the essential meaning behind anarchy is literally "no rule". It would be quite fitting if no-one actually held control over it.
BrennonGoldeye 04-03-07, 08:44 PM	Hmmm, portfolio of Anarchy lost along with Jhaamdath? :evillaugh Muhahahuahuahuahuaaaa...*cough* Ha...
Burningspear 04-03-07, 08:45 PM	The obscure Valigan Thirdborn, a lesser deity of anarchy who appeared during the fall of Jhaamdath and the mess afterwards, was slain by Tyr (and/or his army), who obviously didn't take the portfolio. [Faiths & Pantheons] . Jees, all the "new" "crap" they come out with :plotting:, makes u wonder why they even bother to keep the old stuff alive :) I still Say: Garagos, Master of Chaos/ Anarchy and singular battle
GothicDan 04-03-07, 09:05 PM	Talos holds 'rebellions.' It's not the same, but it's similar. I'd say that he'd hold the actions of the 'anarchy' portfolio by sheer brute force, and would have the first hand in actually acquiring it for good, too.
Burningspear 04-03-07, 09:15 PM	Talos holds 'rebellions.' It's not the same, but it's similar. I'd say that he'd hold the actions of the 'anarchy' portfolio by sheer brute force, and would have the first hand in actually acquiring it for good, too. And Garagos with: War, Plunder and destructions is not a perfect contender? with his little detail of fomenting wars and dissent. Garagos (gah-rah-gohs), the deity of war and plunder, is chaotic neutral. His titles include the Reaver and the Master of All Weapons. He is an older deity whose place has been more or less taken by his younger rival Tempus. Garagos is more concerned with war’s destructiveness and plundering than with strategy or tactics, and he and his followers attack and destroy any rivals who stand in their way. The domains associated with him are Chaos, Destruction, Strength, and War, and his favored weapon is the longsword. Still dislike the longsword change, it should have been something like scimitar or Falchion or any other rounder type sword.
BadCatMan 04-03-07, 09:21 PM	It all depends how you see Anarchy. The idea also represents a utopian state of society where no-one is being ruled over by another, everyone is free, no-one repressed. It's all very Hippy, and could be represented by a Chaotic Good diety.
GothicDan 04-03-07, 09:23 PM	And Garagos with: War, Plunder and destructions is not a perfect contender? ... No? Plunder can be a very lawful thing, and Talos has the actual portfolio of 'Destruction' itself.
Burningspear 04-03-07, 09:25 PM	... No? Plunder can be a very lawful thing, and Talos has the actual portfolio of 'Destruction' itself. riiiight, in my view plunder is never lawful, u should then call it "spoils of war", but as plunder it is chaos..
Burningspear 04-03-07, 09:37 PM	It all depends how you see Anarchy. The idea also represents a utopian state of society where no-one is being ruled over by another, everyone is free, no-one repressed. It's all very Hippy, and could be represented by a Chaotic Good diety. Sharess, and maybe Lliira come to mind then, but i regard anarchy as a bad form of chaos, so i don't think they are the best in my eyes,
Borris 04-03-07, 09:50 PM	If you're thinking of anarchy as rebellion or revolution, then Talos is the god you seek. If you'd rather attain individual freedom from rules through more peaceful means, then Lliira, with her portfolios of freedom and liberty seems a good choice. I'd wager anarchists and revolutionaries of all sorts pay at least lip service to both deities.
Lady_Mhaor 04-03-07, 10:12 PM	hmm in that case Anarchy could be split up among two deities like War is unless Ao had a problem with it mutters something about overthrowing him but what about free floating god-parts?
BrennonGoldeye 04-04-07, 09:58 AM	but what about free floating god-parts? Hmmm, I'm reminded of Deep Sashelas. Oy, now thats free-floating.:eek:
GothicDan 04-04-07, 10:07 AM	riiiight, in my view plunder is never lawful, u should then call it "spoils of war", but as plunder it is chaos.. Even assuming it IS Lawful, Garagos is all but faded away almost entirely. Talos has been around for at least as long as he has, and, as I said, 'rebellion' is the portfolio actually closest to 'anarchy,' and Talos has it.
BrennonGoldeye 04-04-07, 11:07 AM	Besides, Talos wears that codpiece with the :cip: symbol on it. :rolleyes:
Burningspear 04-04-07, 11:14 AM	Even assuming it IS Lawful, Garagos is all but faded away almost entirely. Talos has been around for at least as long as he has, and, as I said, 'rebellion' is the portfolio actually closest to 'anarchy,' and Talos has it. no, thats what they wrote him to be, and that is exactly why i dislike some of the changes they made :ahem: :banghead: :lop:
GothicDan 04-04-07, 11:16 AM	What do you mean, that's what they wrote him to be? From his very inception, that's how Garagos was defined. His history and character weren't changed or retconned or anything.
GothicDan 04-04-07, 11:17 AM	Besides, Talos wears that codpiece with the symbol on it. Booyah! I prefer the old description/picture of him from Faiths and Avatars. Then again, almost all of the art in Faiths and Pantheons is so atrocious it makes me vomit a little. ;) Hm, phase planes for linear systems with real eigenvalues...
Lady_Mhaor 04-04-07, 11:21 AM	What do you mean, that's what they wrote him to be? From his very inception, that's how Garagos was defined. His history and character weren't changed or retconned or anything. Nah garagos used to be The god of war all smart planning and strategy, then tempus came along and killed him. The garagos was reborn again from his faithful but he lack his aforementioned finesse and brains One of the reason tempus tolerates him (cough sidetracked convo cough)
Burningspear 04-04-07, 11:23 AM	Nah garagos used to be The god of war all smart planning and strategy, then tempus came along and killed him. The garagos was reborn again from his faithful but he lack his aforementioned finesse and brains One of the reason tempus tolerates him (cough sidetracked convo cough) He never died and he was never the god of planning and sounder strategy, but he was not nearly as mindless as they portray him now :(
GothicDan 04-04-07, 11:26 AM	Yes, yes he was. He was portrayed in such a way all the way back to Powers and Pantheons, as far as I know.
Burningspear 04-04-07, 11:36 AM	Yes, yes he was. He was portrayed in such a way all the way back to Powers and Pantheons, as far as I know. I have the Netheril setting books (not with me though) and remember him as a chaotic wargod, not a mindless imbiciel (Dutch for moron)....
GothicDan 04-04-07, 11:39 AM	That's the impression I got on him from the Netheril boxed set. Of course, that was the most terrible boxed set ever made, too. Tempus is a Chaotic War God. Garagos was... More like a cross between Tempus, Malar, and Talos.
Mad Mage 04-04-07, 01:01 PM	Overall, this is a portfolio I see being too ambigious to be held by a deity. On one end, you got the free-living ideal, and on the other, you've got the wild, uncontrollable ruffian stereotype.
Lady_Mhaor 04-04-07, 02:04 PM	So the Thirdborn was basically a CN rogue
Razz 04-04-07, 03:39 PM	Valigan Thirdborn...sounds like a mortal who had ascended to a god controlling the portfolio of Anarchy. Would've been some interesting lore to learn. I wish the designers did a Faiths&Pantheons-type book dealing specifically with ancient deities from the past: who they were, what they did, and how their servants may or may not be alive and how to slowly integerate a dead deity back into Faerun (through obvious use of Servant of the Fallen feat). And which deities are officialy making a comeback and what will become of Faerun when they do (for example, Auppenser is still alive, barely, and Nanna-Sin is making a comeback thanks to her servants transporting to Unther and aiding them against Mulhorandi). Not interested in deity stats, other than what is necessary to be a Cleric of said deity such as alignment, domains, portfolio, favored weapon, etc.