Reviving dead gods? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Reviving dead gods? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Suin Bahhar
09-25-07, 10:59 AM So Osiris was revived by Isis and Nephtys. This required a divine ritual but the cost was slim in my opinion. Could the Triad not revive several of the dead gods in 1385 and on?
Andyr
09-25-07, 11:07 AM It might depend on AO's consent, in which case that might be a reason for it not happening (although I don't know what would sway AO's judgment one way or the another).
Shemeska the Marauder
09-25-07, 11:29 AM W/ respect to the "dead" members of the Mulhorandi/Egyptian and Untheric/Babylonian/Sumerian pantheons, with slim exception, they weren't actually dead. The destruction of their manifest avatars severed their divine connection to Toril, but in the multiverse at large they were still worshipped and in most cases thriving.

Given the number of dead gods floating in the Astral, some of them from rather powerful pantheons, we might imply the process is more difficult and has some unknown cost that makes it rare, or that the process of how that god died in any particular case either makes or breaks the chances of another god being able to (or to want to) revive them (it's also possible that other forces such as Ao, other pantheon members, or the Guardian of Dead Gods for instance, might not allow a fallen god to be brought back for various reasons).
Zanan
10-01-07, 04:08 AM Maybe we just wait and see what actually happens, before we are planning the raising of gods?

BTW, since the gods will be slain and not their worshippers, there is a good chance that one of their faithful will find a way to revive them if needed - or desired by the Wizards.
Dark Wizard
10-01-07, 05:04 PM The Triad broke up the band after Illmater went over to Sune's record label.
The Ubbergeek
10-02-07, 11:43 PM Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...).
strife_001
10-04-07, 04:55 AM Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...).

And some people want to see Aoskar coming back, but it likely wont happen.
Andyr
10-07-07, 08:51 AM Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...).

Power of Faerun has a plot hook dealing with Moander's return.
Old Sage
10-07-07, 10:45 AM I'll note that particular hook actually builds on lore previously published in Volo's Guide to the Dalelands.
The Ubbergeek
10-07-07, 02:25 PM And some people want to see Aoskar coming back, but it likely wont happen.

Well, it is not as impossible as Karsus's return perhaps (I means, Mystra woudl NOT allow it).... Nobody is sure how far the Lady's influence can go, IF at all outside of the City. So....

Orcus came back, also...
The WarOverlord
10-09-07, 07:26 AM Well, it is not as impossible as Karsus's return perhaps (I means, Mystra woudl NOT allow it).... Nobody is sure how far the Lady's influence can go, IF at all outside of the City. So....

Orcus came back, also...

Well, we are dealing with several kind of lifeforms here and thowing them around like they are all the same kind of Lifeforms.

Orcus is a deamon and a type of Immortal of Ethropy that can only be slain permanently in it's "Home Plane" like other Immortal Lifeform of it's type. Killing the "material Form" anywhere else just leaves the "essence" bodyless until it can get back to it's Home Plane and rest enough to make a new body.

The Egyptian, Norse, and Greek "godlings" are very powerful and long lived lifeforms with access to magic and technology that allows them to manipulate reality and life but they aren't Omnipotent or Omnisentinet like the Immortals like Orcus can appear...in most cases they are more like "super Heros" then "gods". Most of them cheat death by having multiple copies of themselves stashed around the Multiverse or possessing willing and unwilling subjects or objects,etc.

Lastly the godlings that Overlord Ao makes such as Mystra are also more like "super Heros" with a lot of Powers while Overlord Ao itself seems to fall into the "true Immortal" class (like Orcus is) using poweful flunkies to handle it's "Immortal Project" that is the Forgotten Realms. These Forgotten Realm goddlings short of direct Intervention from Ao can seem to also cheat death via magic and pre-planning, multiple vessles,etc.

Ao is able to bring back "gone" goddlings (as in blown into smithereens in a huge 0pp blast as the essence/soul self destructed) that he makes which makes me further believe it is a "True Immortal" while "his" flunky "godlings" mostly raised from the mortals of Toril are not
The WarOverlord
10-09-07, 07:27 AM Power of Faerun has a plot hook dealing with Moander's return.

<Buffy,Willow, and Spike Look at each other>

Again?!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Suin Bahhar 09-25-07, 10:59 AM	So Osiris was revived by Isis and Nephtys. This required a divine ritual but the cost was slim in my opinion. Could the Triad not revive several of the dead gods in 1385 and on?
Andyr 09-25-07, 11:07 AM	It might depend on AO's consent, in which case that might be a reason for it not happening (although I don't know what would sway AO's judgment one way or the another).
Shemeska the Marauder 09-25-07, 11:29 AM	W/ respect to the "dead" members of the Mulhorandi/Egyptian and Untheric/Babylonian/Sumerian pantheons, with slim exception, they weren't actually dead. The destruction of their manifest avatars severed their divine connection to Toril, but in the multiverse at large they were still worshipped and in most cases thriving. Given the number of dead gods floating in the Astral, some of them from rather powerful pantheons, we might imply the process is more difficult and has some unknown cost that makes it rare, or that the process of how that god died in any particular case either makes or breaks the chances of another god being able to (or to want to) revive them (it's also possible that other forces such as Ao, other pantheon members, or the Guardian of Dead Gods for instance, might not allow a fallen god to be brought back for various reasons).
Zanan 10-01-07, 04:08 AM	Maybe we just wait and see what actually happens, before we are planning the raising of gods? BTW, since the gods will be slain and not their worshippers, there is a good chance that one of their faithful will find a way to revive them if needed - or desired by the Wizards.
Dark Wizard 10-01-07, 05:04 PM	The Triad broke up the band after Illmater went over to Sune's record label.
The Ubbergeek 10-02-07, 11:43 PM	Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...).
strife_001 10-04-07, 04:55 AM	Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...). And some people want to see Aoskar coming back, but it likely wont happen.
Andyr 10-07-07, 08:51 AM	Well, it is an usefull question globaly... Somes would like to see bad gods coming back. like Bhaal, Myrkul, even Moander (well, I do...). Power of Faerun has a plot hook dealing with Moander's return.
Old Sage 10-07-07, 10:45 AM	I'll note that particular hook actually builds on lore previously published in Volo's Guide to the Dalelands.
The Ubbergeek 10-07-07, 02:25 PM	And some people want to see Aoskar coming back, but it likely wont happen. Well, it is not as impossible as Karsus's return perhaps (I means, Mystra woudl NOT allow it).... Nobody is sure how far the Lady's influence can go, IF at all outside of the City. So.... Orcus came back, also...
The WarOverlord 10-09-07, 07:26 AM	Well, it is not as impossible as Karsus's return perhaps (I means, Mystra woudl NOT allow it).... Nobody is sure how far the Lady's influence can go, IF at all outside of the City. So.... Orcus came back, also... Well, we are dealing with several kind of lifeforms here and thowing them around like they are all the same kind of Lifeforms. Orcus is a deamon and a type of Immortal of Ethropy that can only be slain permanently in it's "Home Plane" like other Immortal Lifeform of it's type. Killing the "material Form" anywhere else just leaves the "essence" bodyless until it can get back to it's Home Plane and rest enough to make a new body. The Egyptian, Norse, and Greek "godlings" are very powerful and long lived lifeforms with access to magic and technology that allows them to manipulate reality and life but they aren't Omnipotent or Omnisentinet like the Immortals like Orcus can appear...in most cases they are more like "super Heros" then "gods". Most of them cheat death by having multiple copies of themselves stashed around the Multiverse or possessing willing and unwilling subjects or objects,etc. Lastly the godlings that Overlord Ao makes such as Mystra are also more like "super Heros" with a lot of Powers while Overlord Ao itself seems to fall into the "true Immortal" class (like Orcus is) using poweful flunkies to handle it's "Immortal Project" that is the Forgotten Realms. These Forgotten Realm goddlings short of direct Intervention from Ao can seem to also cheat death via magic and pre-planning, multiple vessles,etc. Ao is able to bring back "gone" goddlings (as in blown into smithereens in a huge 0pp blast as the essence/soul self destructed) that he makes which makes me further believe it is a "True Immortal" while "his" flunky "godlings" mostly raised from the mortals of Toril are not
The WarOverlord 10-09-07, 07:27 AM	Power of Faerun has a plot hook dealing with Moander's return. <Buffy,Willow, and Spike Look at each other> Again?!