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XHereticX 01-05-08, 08:20 PM	I just read Shadowstorm today and I have to say that it was one of my more enjoyable reads as of recent (Dante's Divine Comedy is rather dull and the Republic is just a pile of rhetoric). So I am wondering how this whole Shadowstorm debacle will cause some of the cosmic changes that result with 4e. What is Shar's motivation behind it and how it ties in to her greater plans.
Lord Karsus 01-06-08, 11:48 PM	-With Shar? Who knows. -Before AGHotR was released, I had this whole good theory about the remnants of Sembia becomming a theocratic state, dedicated to Lathander, by Abelar, but as AGHotR mentioned nothing of that, I guess not.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-07-08, 10:37 AM	-With Shar? Who knows. -Before AGHotR was released, I had this whole good theory about the remnants of Sembia becomming a theocratic state, dedicated to Lathander, by Abelar, but as AGHotR mentioned nothing of that, I guess not. Well remember, the GH doesn't tell us everthing.:) Also, it was designed not to spoils the results of upcoming novels.
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 12:29 PM	Well remember, the GH doesn't tell us everthing.:) -I wish it didn't tell me a lot of the things it does, especially at the end.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-07-08, 01:53 PM	-I wish it didn't tell me a lot of the things it does, especially at the end. Well, that goes for me too. :-/
18DELTA 01-07-08, 02:45 PM	-With Shar? Who knows. -Before AGHotR was released, I had this whole good theory about the remnants of Sembia becomming a theocratic state, dedicated to Lathander, by Abelar, but as AGHotR mentioned nothing of that, I guess not. -Who knows, maybe it does happen? Sembia won't be the same. :(
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 03:06 PM	-Who knows, maybe it does happen? -At this point, I doubt it. Sembia won't be the same. :( -That is for sure.
18DELTA 01-07-08, 05:08 PM	-At this point, I doubt it. -That is for sure. -Fo Shizzle.;)
MarkusTay63 01-07-08, 05:32 PM	-I wish it didn't tell me a lot of the things it does, especially at the end.Just tear that page out, if offends thee. :D The 'WotC Police' won't show up and 'make you disappear'... But then again... they ARE always watching.... :incog:
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 06:04 PM	-I don't mar my books. I read my novels such that there are no bends in the creases. I use my sourcebooks such that everything stays clean, and undamaged. I never write in books- even when I was in school, and the AP studybooks, space was provided to write in, I'd ignore it, and use a seperate sheet of paper.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-07-08, 06:16 PM	-I don't mar my books. I read my novels such that there are no bends in the creases. I use my sourcebooks such that everything stays clean, and undamaged. Me too. :rofl:
XHereticX 01-07-08, 08:43 PM	-I don't mar my books. I read my novels such that there are no bends in the creases. I use my sourcebooks such that everything stays clean, and undamaged. I never write in books- even when I was in school, and the AP studybooks, space was provided to write in, I'd ignore it, and use a seperate sheet of paper. I only treat my D&D sourcebooks like that, everything else, especially my schoolbooks, I go wild.
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 08:48 PM	I only treat my D&D sourcebooks like that, everything else, especially my schoolbooks, I go wild. -Heh, I always loved old textbooks that had things like, "Go to pg. 52", and then there'd be a picture of, like, an elephant or something, with the words "Your mom" written above it. Classic stuff. :) -Getting back on topic, looking at the actual title of the thread, I don't think the Shadowstorm itself has anything to do with 4e. The effects of the Shadowstorm will be seen in 4e, though.
XHereticX 01-07-08, 08:59 PM	-Heh, I always loved old textbooks that had things like, "Go to pg. 52", and then there'd be a picture of, like, an elephant or something, with the words "Your mom" written above it. Classic stuff. :) -Getting back on topic, looking at the actual title of the thread, I don't think the Shadowstorm itself has anything to do with 4e. The effects of the Shadowstorm will be seen in 4e, though. I think WoTC might use the Shadowstorm events as a way to get rid of the Shadow Weave in 4e. Tie it in with the Spellplague a little.
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 09:16 PM	I think WoTC might use the Shadowstorm events as a way to get rid of the Shadow Weave in 4e. -The loss of Mystra/the Weave explains what happens to the Shadow Weave. It's been reretconed that the Shadow Weave is part of the Weave, but inaccessable to Mystra, and in the stewardship of Shar. So, when Mystra dies, and the Weave unravels, so too does the Shadow Weave.
MarkusTay63 01-07-08, 09:29 PM	-I don't mar my books. I read my novels such that there are no bends in the creases. I use my sourcebooks such that everything stays clean, and undamaged. I never write in books- even when I was in school, and the AP studybooks, space was provided to write in, I'd ignore it, and use a seperate sheet of paper.If I meet with you guys the next time out, I'll bring my GHotR - you'll keel over and die. :P Lets just say I went wild with a 10-pack of Highliters the day after I got it. Now it's as useful as the original. :dancin:
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 10:52 PM	If I meet with you guys the next time out, I'll bring my GHotR - you'll keel over and die. :P Lets just say I went wild with a 10-pack of Highliters the day after I got it. -Ah, I would die!
MarkusTay63 01-07-08, 11:06 PM	Normally, I feel exactly as you do, but I needed to make it reference-worthy again. the color-coding was a tremendous asset in the original, so I considered it a 'restoration', of sorts. Besides, I do plan on eventually buying a second copy to keep in pristine shape - this one is my beat-on day-to-day one. :D
GreenKnight 01-07-08, 11:11 PM	-I don't mar my books. I read my novels such that there are no bends in the creases. I use my sourcebooks such that everything stays clean, and undamaged. I never write in books- even when I was in school, and the AP studybooks, space was provided to write in, I'd ignore it, and use a seperate sheet of paper. Me three. Pretty much every book I own is practically brand new.
Lord Karsus 01-07-08, 11:16 PM	Normally, I feel exactly as you do, but I needed to make it reference-worthy again. the color-coding was a tremendous asset in the original, so I considered it a 'restoration', of sorts. -Not having an index, or a search feature definitley made it annoying. Truthfully, I still use my PDF of AGHotR more than I do my physical copy, for precisely that reason. Me three. Pretty much every book I own is practically brand new. -We're a special breed of people. :)
18DELTA 01-08-08, 12:26 AM	I only treat my D&D sourcebooks like that, everything else, especially my schoolbooks, I go wild. -Hey, XHereticX are you still in school? If you are take a book alot of people will use. Write go to page 101 in it. On page 101 write "Richard Baker must be stopped!!!" OK:D He will be the "Kilroy was here" of the Realms. I could see it on Billboards outside of the WotC offices. Richard Baker MUST be stopped Crop Circles all over the world. Brazil, Argentina, Germany, South Korea, The Wall street Journal, Time Magazine, On the wall outside a Wal-Mart in Iowa. Get the Picture. -KTM is a mayrtr for The Realms. We should form the Rebal Alliance against The WotC Imperial War Machine, and those Sith Lords at WotC. Like Darth Baker and his apprentice Darth Perkins. Down with The WotC Sith Lords. :rofl: :rofl: -Just kidding ok dont do it.;)
XHereticX 01-09-08, 09:39 PM	-Hey, XHereticX are you still in school? If you are take a book alot of people will use. Write go to page 101 in it. On page 101 write "Richard Baker must be stopped!!!" OK:D He will be the "Kilroy was here" of the Realms. I could see it on Billboards outside of the WotC offices. Richard Baker MUST be stopped Crop Circles all over the world. Brazil, Argentina, Germany, South Korea, The Wall street Journal, Time Magazine, On the wall outside a Wal-Mart in Iowa. Get the Picture. -KTM is a mayrtr for The Realms. We should form the Rebal Alliance against The WotC Imperial War Machine, and those Sith Lords at WotC. Like Darth Baker and his apprentice Darth Perkins. Down with The WotC Sith Lords. :rofl: :rofl: -Just kidding ok dont do it.;) Dude, if a large number of people in school found out I played D&D...:eek:
18DELTA 01-10-08, 12:50 AM	Dude, if a large number of people in school found out I played D&D...:eek: -Dude, just be sneaky about it.;) Are you not a Hand of Karsus? Why worry about what those Philistines think about you. You have sacred duty to fufill, in That Richard Baker MUST be stopped!!!;) LORD DELTA:fight!:
Lord Karsus 01-10-08, 07:51 PM	-Dude, just be sneaky about it.;) Are you not a Hand of Karsus? Why worry about what those Philistines think about you. You have sacred duty to fufill, in That Richard Baker MUST be stopped!!!;) LORD DELTA:fight!: -Delta raises a good point.
18DELTA 01-11-08, 01:07 AM	-Delta raises a good point. -In best Darth Vader voice..."Thank You MY MASTER".:emp: LORD DELTA:fight!:
XHereticX 01-12-08, 10:43 AM	-Dude, just be sneaky about it.;) Are you not a Hand of Karsus? Why worry about what those Philistines think about you. You have sacred duty to fufill, in That Richard Baker MUST be stopped!!!;) LORD DELTA:fight!: Of course, of course. Though most people probably don't even know who Rich Baker is, so they woudn't care one way or another. Some people (friends mostly) know I play D&D. Rich Baker's own economic implosion will stop him. Eventually, with old FR fans angry at the changes, and potential new fans still intimidated by the vast amount of lore (yes, the long and tedious history is still there) as well as attracted to more "adventurous" settings like Eberron, the 4e FR franchise will go out of business and be back in the hands of Ed Greenwood, where it rightfully belongs.
Suin Bahhar 01-12-08, 11:14 AM	So In Shadowstorm does it explain how the Shades and the Old Netheril in Sembia get the support of the Sembian people?
Lord Karsus 01-12-08, 03:38 PM	So In Shadowstorm does it explain how the Shades and the Old Netheril in Sembia get the support of the Sembian people? -Yes, yes it does.
Vulpes 01-13-08, 02:15 AM	-The loss of Mystra/the Weave explains what happens to the Shadow Weave. It's been reretconed that the Shadow Weave is part of the Weave, but inaccessable to Mystra, and in the stewardship of Shar. So, when Mystra dies, and the Weave unravels, so too does the Shadow Weave. Where did they reretcon it?
Lord Karsus 01-13-08, 02:17 AM	Where did they reretcon it? -One of the three 'Superadventures'. I believe it was the Anauroch one. Note, though, that I am going on second-hand knowledge, as I was informed of this.
Nessaj 01-19-08, 05:52 PM	So, when Mystra dies, and the Weave unravels, so too does the Shadow Weave. I might be wrong, but I've read the blurb at the end of the History of the Realms book (much to my chagrin), and isn't Shar involved in Mystra's death? If Mystra's death would cause the Shadow Weave to unravel then I don't think she'd be too keen on it... Unless it has to do with (POSSIBLE SPOILER - AVERT YOUR EYES!!!) the moment of necessary weakness mentioned in the Shadowbred series.
Lord Karsus 01-20-08, 03:39 AM	Unless it has to do with (POSSIBLE SPOILER - AVERT YOUR EYES!!!) the moment of necessary weakness mentioned in the Shadowbred series. -Exactly. One theory is that she sacrifices the Shadow Weave to accomplish her ultimate goal. -The entire Shadow Weave story has recently been retconned again by Rich Baker in the 'Ask-the-Author' thread, again, so I don't know anymore...:rolleyes:
buzzard 01-20-08, 06:03 AM	-The entire Shadow Weave story has recently been retconned again by Rich Baker in the 'Ask-the-Author' thread, again, so I don't know anymore...:rolleyes: I'd say that it was un-retconned (instead of a retcon of a retcon), since the blurb on Shadowdale (or Cormyr? can't remember) was confirmed as an actual error and not them changing their minds because it was convenient to them. And thus, the text on Magic of Faerūn has been vindicated and contains the 'canon' explanation of the Shadow Weave: Shar made it, it is not a "shadow" or "echo" of the original Weave, it is not weaker nor more powerful, it is different, it does not depend on Mystra's well being and can function independent from the Weave if it were to fail.
Lord Karsus 01-20-08, 06:23 AM	-It was in the Shadowdale module. And, it's a good thing it ws removed, because I wouldn't know what to call it: reretcon? Retcon of a retcon?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-20-08, 07:02 PM	Shar made it, it is not a "shadow" or "echo" of the original Weave, it is not weaker nor more powerful, it is different, it does not depend on Mystra's well being and can function independent from the Weave if it were to fail. Not in my Realms, so :P .
Zanan 01-21-08, 04:45 AM	Paul S. Kemp said recently that the Shadowstorm had nothing to do with any events regarding the 4E. Whether it will go away with the Spellplague or something, we'll never know. I just hope that the designers show more common sense with regard to this novel series and the FR-bits and pieces they spill about than what they have done with the Lady Penitent or Haunted Lands - series
Zsych 01-27-08, 10:13 AM	... Thus as the intentional creator of a shadow-weave, Shar's effective magic mastery must once again be reassessed to be at awesome levels :P (since creating an equivalent of the Weave is effectively equal to creating another Mystra :P )
XHereticX 01-27-08, 10:16 AM	... Thus as the intentional creator of a shadow-weave, Shar's effective magic mastery must once again be reassessed to be at awesome levels :P (since creating an equivalent of the Weave is effectively equal to creating another Mystra :P ) In other words, Shar aien't comin' out of the closet anytime soon.;)
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 10:44 AM	... Thus as the intentional creator of a shadow-weave, Shar's effective magic mastery must once again be reassessed to be at awesome levels :P -We don't know necessarily for sure if Shar created the Shadow Weave. She could of "found it" somewhere and brought it to Faerūn. She could have stole it from Mystra, as the Shadowdale module implied, before that retcon was overruled.
Zsych 01-27-08, 11:53 AM	Created by Shar after studying the Weave was the original version though. And something that existed outside of the Realms where Realms style raw magic wasn't the underlying basis of magic, couldn't possibly serve as a Weave equivalent, even if it could be brought over... That and the fact that the Shadow-weave is practically the same as the weave where most spells are concerned, its functionality should be different from the Weave, if it isn't linked and wasn't created to be like the Weave. ... and stolen from Mystra(translated as stealing a piece of Mystra herself)... don't think something that shocking would've happened with no one knowing about it.
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 12:38 PM	... and stolen from Mystra(translated as stealing a piece of Mystra herself)... don't think something that shocking would've happened with no one knowing about it. -Until this was brought to the attention of Ricahrd Baker in the 'Ask the Author' thread, this was the official story, as per the Anauroch module. It went against what was said in Magic of Faerūn and explained that the Shadow Weave is a part of the Weave, but a part that Mystra cannot access, and is in under the control of Shar.
XHereticX 01-27-08, 02:50 PM	-Until this was brought to the attention of Ricahrd Baker in the 'Ask the Author' thread, this was the official story, as per the Anauroch module. It went against what was said in Magic of Faerūn and explained that the Shadow Weave is a part of the Weave, but a part that Mystra cannot access, and is in under the control of Shar. Hmm, but the part that this theory dosen't explain is why it took so long for Shar to learn how to fully utilize it. My personal theory is that The Shadow Weave and the Weave were once one, the light and dark parts of magic, which were both controlled by a neutral deity of magic. After the NG Midnight ascended, the Shadow Weave broke off from the Weave in response to this dilemma and eventually it fell to Shar to maintain it. It has lots of flaws, but I think it works for me right now.
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 03:13 PM	Hmm, but the part that this theory dosen't explain is why it took so long for Shar to learn how to fully utilize it. -What do you mean? Why, in game, it didn't appear until 1372 DR? Certain elements have been retconned to include the Shadow Weave in the past. My personal theory is that The Shadow Weave and the Weave were once one, the light and dark parts of magic, which were both controlled by a neutral deity of magic. After the NG Midnight ascended, the Shadow Weave broke off from the Weave in response to this dilemma and eventually it fell to Shar to maintain it. -That was what Melgaunt Tanthul said in the Return of the Archwizards trilogy, but Magic of Faerūn trumps his personal feelings, as it outright states that Shar created the Shadow Weave back when she was first feuding with Mystryl and Selūne, back in the mists of time.
XHereticX 01-27-08, 03:15 PM	- -That was what Melgaunt Tanthul said in the Return of the Archwizards trilogy, but Magic of Faerūn trumps his personal feelings, as it outright states that Shar created the Shadow Weave back when she was first feuding with Mystryl and Selūne, back in the mists of time. Damn you Retcon, damn you and your illogical misexplanations to the bottom of the Abyss!!!!:mad:
Lord Karsus 01-27-08, 03:26 PM	Damn you Retcon, damn you and your illogical misexplanations to the bottom of the Abyss!!!!:mad: -Personally, I liked your/Melgaunt's explanation better, too.
XHereticX 01-28-08, 09:14 AM	-Personally, I liked your/Melgaunt's explanation better, too. Great minds think alike:)
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 10:09 AM	Great minds think alike:) -Melgaunt was the reject of the Tanthul brothers. ;)
XHereticX 01-28-08, 10:35 AM	-Melgaunt was the reject of the Tanthul brothers. ;) Another way for saying he was better than them and they coudn't stand it.;)
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 10:44 AM	Another way for saying he was better than them and they coudn't stand it.;) -Or, statistically, he was the weakest (I believe). He was Telamont's last son, so you know that's got to do wonders for his psyche.
XHereticX 01-28-08, 10:45 AM	-Or, statistically, he was the weakest (I believe). He was Telamont's last son, so you know that's got to do wonders for his psyche. Ahh, but he ended up with more worldly experience than any of them, so it was sort of worth it in the end.
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 10:50 AM	Ahh, but he ended up with more worldly experience than any of them, so it was sort of worth it in the end. -Well, he also ended up dead. Watch yourself. ;)
XHereticX 01-28-08, 10:51 AM	-Well, he also ended up dead. Don't we all?
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 10:52 AM	-Depends.
XHereticX 01-28-08, 03:54 PM	-Depends. Whatever your objectivist mind chooses to believe, my dear Lord Karsus:rolleyes:
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 04:13 PM	-Not really philosophical, but more theological than anything. But, at this point, I'm just typing responses because I can. :cool:
XHereticX 01-28-08, 04:18 PM	-Not really philosophical, but more theological than anything. But, at this point, I'm just typing responses because I can. :cool: Me too. Whatever, back to my anime...:cool: