Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 02:55 AM	Just an odd thought I had today. He seems like a good candidate.
Reneshat 01-29-08, 03:05 AM	Foolish, easily corrupted, I can see your point.
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 03:16 AM	I actually got the idea from Pelor and his role in Greyhawk as the "default" human god. Because I figured Lathander is worshiped by most of everybody and yet like Pelor seems to always give the vague impression he's about to roast the planet.
Reneshat 01-29-08, 03:32 AM	His role as the patron good god of morons has always gotten to me. I would be one to argue that naivety should be added to his portfolio. I'm not saying that he should be removed from the setting, but he's always been a god I've disliked...
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 11:12 AM	-I'd be extremely hesitant to give something as large as the mantle of 'humanity' over to just one deity. I mean, in Kara-Tur, what do they know of Lathander? And yet, he'd be, in the most vague and basic sense, their patrons.
sfdragon 01-29-08, 12:41 PM	Amaunator will take him out no he shouldnt be a god of humanity , he's a naive moronic bafoon
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 12:51 PM	Amaunator has nothing on Lathander, personally. I always think of him as a sort of weird combination of Apollo and Jesus. He's the most laid back and yet simultaneously powerful of the gods in the Realms. Also, it's rare you see Neutral Goods in positions of prominence as High as him. Also, I don't see the Dawn Cataclysm as stupid. It just failed.
MarkusTay63 01-29-08, 01:01 PM	'Sacrifice for the greater good' does lend itself to humanity well - even when the 'greater good' is badly misconstrued (such as the Dawn Cataclysm). Some of history's darkest periods were brought on by people who were just trying to "change things for the better" (like the Inquisition). So, yeah, Lawful good does lend itself to blind naivette and an almost moronic dedication to dogma.
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 01:06 PM	But yes, "God of Humanity" would probably only be in Faerun's pantheon. At least, unless they intend to make Kara-Tur turn out to be worshiping facets of the Faerun pantheon in the same way as the demihuman races. Plus, I like that Zarus could be a Heresy of Lathander worshipers. They're similiar deities in every respect but their alignments.
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 01:09 PM	Also, I don't see the Dawn Cataclysm as stupid. It just failed. -I agree. But yes, "God of Humanity" would probably only be in Faerun's pantheon. At least, unless they intend to make Kara-Tur turn out to be worshiping facets of the Faerun pantheon in the same way as the demihuman races. -Shh, let's not talk silliness now. :cool:
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 01:22 PM	-Shh, let's not talk silliness now. :cool: Well I point to the Tyr thread to talk about how the Lawbringer appeared in the East.... http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home.nsf/Lookup/mkdach17x28x02x03/$file/mkdach17x28x02x03.jpg :-)
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 01:30 PM	Well I point to the Tyr thread to talk about how the Lawbringer appeared in the East.... -Not in that thread...Who is that, Raiden?
Kenzuki 01-29-08, 01:58 PM	Amaunator and Lathander are basically the same deity guys. I think it would be neat if he becomes Amaunator in 4th, albeit one more like Lathander but with the power of Amaunator.
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 02:06 PM	Amaunator and Lathander are basically the same deity guys. I think it would be neat if he becomes Amaunator in 4th, albeit one more like Lathander but with the power of Amaunator. yeah, on the following criteria. 1. Lathander is better as a NG deity while Amaunator was a LN one. 2. Their personalities are very different. 3. lathander is easier to say. but yes, I hope Lathander becomes the Sun God. -Not in that thread...Who is that, Raiden? yeah, I gave a fun story where a Paladin in Wa had his God show up in an Eastern form.
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 02:29 PM	3. lathander is easier to say. -I still can't type 'Amaunator' by myself, and still need to copy it from someone else.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-29-08, 07:28 PM	No, because I don't believe in "fixating" on any one god like that, as I've said before in a different thread.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-29-08, 07:31 PM	I actually got the idea from Pelor and his role in Greyhawk as the "default" human god. Greyhawk has more than one human cultural pantheon, though, and that is emphasized in that setting much more than it is in the Forgotten Realms. Also, Greyhawk--much like the FR setting--actually has tons of gods. I'm not saying that Pelor isn't important in the Flanaess, but the "stripped down", 3E core list makes Pelor seem a lot more prominent than he really is (he's pretty much made out to be the default goodly human deity). I would never say that Pelor is the "default human god" of Greyhawk.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-29-08, 07:34 PM	So, yeah, Lawful good does lend itself to blind naivette and an almost moronic dedication to dogma. Lathander is Neutral Good.;)
Meldread 01-29-08, 07:45 PM	I still can't type 'Amaunator' by myself, and still need to copy it from someone else. Hah! I thought I was the only one!
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 07:54 PM	Guilty on his name.
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 08:51 PM	-We were all living lies...Anyone else got something to confess? :cool:
Charles Phipps 01-29-08, 08:56 PM	I actually can't do a lot of the gods name and faked it, letting people just largely ignore the fact that I never bother to get the names right since they generally get the message. *cries*
Lord Karsus 01-29-08, 09:07 PM	-Let it out, my friend, let is out. Karsus is here.
Skyrocket 01-30-08, 07:27 PM	I can see Lathander becoming the default god of humans in Faerun but not for all of Toril. He's always been one of my favorite FR gods and seems to fill a pretty good number of roles. But I think he'd have to get a full promotion to sun god for it to really work. Dawn just won't cut it.
The Ubbergeek 01-30-08, 08:25 PM	Apollo and Jesus. Apollo and Mitra (the roman version).
Lord Karsus 01-31-08, 12:14 AM	I can see Lathander becoming the default god of humans in Faerun but not for all of Toril. -Especially with the continent collapsing (literally, in some regions) around the people. They need hope. Hope is what Lathander brings to the table.
Charles Phipps 01-31-08, 12:23 AM	Apollo and Mitra (the roman version). Torm is more a Mitra figure. I say Jesus because Lathander is much more "walk around, healing people and being nice" While Mitra is more "I slay thee in the name of Ahura-Mazda."
The Ubbergeek 01-31-08, 12:28 AM	Weird, I pegged more Illmater as the Jesus.. especially since he was based on Issek of the Jug - a parodic view of Jesus.
Charles Phipps 01-31-08, 12:31 AM	Weird, I pegged more Illmater as the Jesus.. especially since he was based on Issek of the Jug - a parodic view of Jesus. Well, none of them are exact fits. Ilmater is The Passion Play version of Jesus. I take Lathander as either the Risen Jesus or just the Pre-Crucifiction version. Really, the parallels are in the eye of the Beholder (and the Thieves Guild he controls in Waterdeep). Honestly, I just always found the idea of laid back gods with ridiculously conservative clergies to be funny. I did the same thing with Corellon, though I go slightly further with Lathander's Church that at times resembles the Kingpriest of Istar.
Another Gnome 01-31-08, 04:09 AM	At least, unless they intend to make Kara-Tur turn out to be worshiping facets of the Faerun pantheon in the same way as the demihuman races. -Shh, let's not talk silliness now. I'd say it's a lot more silly that there is a bunch of people sharing the same planet yet claiming their pantheon is wholly separate from the one where half the gods have global-scale powers. They should just go ahead and state that whatever gods are worshipped in Kara-Tur are inferior to the Faerūnian ones (i.e. demigods at most who merely present a localized face to the big ones), or they are indeed the same thing under a different name. 4E gives a perfect excuse to do that now, but it's something that could've been done a decade ago. * * * Oh right, Lathander... he looks like a good candidate for the patron of humankind from the point of view of Western society, and as such should work for the majority of Faerūn which is essentially medieval Europe mixed with Reneissance and modern Western ideals. However, that's completely ignoring everyone else in the world (especially if Lathander is seen as a global creator deity and not merely an adopted one to a specific group of people) and while it would be silly to call that racist, it does have a certain... white supremacist tone. That's simply to say it's not the route I would take if I was writing that stuff for general use, not that I would get offended by racial overtones in a fantasy world.
SolDragon 01-31-08, 05:00 AM	Lathander would be an excellent God for Humanity. If other races have a particular deity that primarily looks out for their concerns and development as a culture, species/race and civilization, so should Humanity. I loved that Dwarves got a boost from their deities during 3E, as it broke them out of the classic mold of the "dying race holding on to pride and tradition", and showed that their deities were taking an active interest in how well they did across Faerun. Lathanders traits are the best suited traits to Humanity as a whole, I would say. He certainly represents the best that Humanity could accomplish, and would have a vested interest in seeing them reach that level. It would be nice to see Humans in Faerun be given that level of flavor and interest, beyond what you normally see for Humanity in a fantasy world.
XHereticX 02-01-08, 04:05 PM	His characteristics certainly reflect such, but I think that a deity of humanity should be of some neutral alignment.
GothicDan 02-02-08, 01:03 PM	Why I love Lathander, I say very much no as to a god of humanity. The other races have patron deities at the heads of their pantheon because those deities were their creators. Lathander didn't create humanity, so he shouldn't have the portfolio.
Lord Karsus 02-02-08, 01:49 PM	Why I love Lathander, I say very much no as to a god of humanity. The other races have patron deities at the heads of their pantheon because those deities were their creators. Lathander didn't create humanity, so he shouldn't have the portfolio. A deity does not necessarily have to create the people who worship him/her to be the patron of said people. Some cataclysmic event could theoretically befall Abeir-Toril, and the people come flocking to Lathander, abandoning their other deities left and right. Eventually, Lathander would become, on Abeir-Toril, the patron of Humans, without creating them. The Ondonti Orcs and Eldath are a good example.
MarkusTay63 02-02-08, 11:41 PM	-We were all living lies...Anyone else got something to confess? :cool:I have problems with EVERY Elven and Drow god's name, except for Lolth and Corellon (much worse with the Drow Pantheon, even the non Dark-Elven ones like Ghan... nevermind). :rolleyes:
Lord Karsus 02-03-08, 01:41 AM	-You mean, you have problems typing, 'Kiaransalee', 'Ghaunadaur', 'Rillifane Rallathil', 'Solonar Thelndira', and so on? Heh, I don't have problems with those anymore, through sheer repitition of typing them over and over for EoF.
GothicDan 02-03-08, 10:31 PM	LK - it's Thelandira. You spelled it wrong. Heh. A deity does not necessarily have to create the people who worship him/her to be the patron of said people. Some cataclysmic event could theoretically befall Abeir-Toril, and the people come flocking to Lathander, abandoning their other deities left and right. Eventually, Lathander would become, on Abeir-Toril, the patron of Humans, without creating them. The Ondonti Orcs and Eldath are a good example. Eldath doesn't have the Odonti in her portfolio, mind you.
Lord Karsus 02-03-08, 11:17 PM	LK - it's Thelandira. You spelled it wrong. Heh. -Typo, obviouly. Eldath doesn't have the Odonti in her portfolio, mind you. -No, but that doesn't change the fact that she is the patron of the Ondonti Orcs.
Charles Phipps 02-04-08, 06:56 AM	Oh right, Lathander... he looks like a good candidate for the patron of humankind from the point of view of Western society, and as such should work for the majority of Faerūn which is essentially medieval Europe mixed with Reneissance and modern Western ideals. However, that's completely ignoring everyone else in the world (especially if Lathander is seen as a global creator deity and not merely an adopted one to a specific group of people) and while it would be silly to call that racist, it does have a certain... white supremacist tone. That's simply to say it's not the route I would take if I was writing that stuff for general use, not that I would get offended by racial overtones in a fantasy world. .....Why? The Japanese worshiped The Sun Goddess, The Egyptians worshiped the Sun God, the Aztecs worshiped the Sun God. The Sun God is almost always THE major deity in most religions. Ironically, two of the major European ones were the ones who didn't. Or are you being silly and assuming that Lathander is white, himself? Which is ridiculous because he's older than humanity. His true form would probably be closer to a Creator Race lizard.
GothicDan 02-04-08, 09:58 AM	The Japanese worshiped The Sun Goddess, The Egyptians worshiped the Sun God, the Aztecs worshiped the Sun God. The Sun God is almost always THE major deity in most religions. Ironically, two of the major European ones were the ones who didn't. Greek, Roman, Etruscan, Celtic, Norse, and Eastern European (assuming Perun). And then we have Enlil, Baal, and Indra... You're generalizing way too much. ;) Sky Fathers in power are farm ore prevalent than Sun Gods.
Charles Phipps 02-04-08, 10:17 AM	Talos for God of Humanity! Talos: I like it! Let's wreck it!
GothicDan 02-04-08, 01:21 PM	I like Talos and Lathander equally. I'd worship both. :)
Purple Dragon Knight 02-04-08, 01:46 PM	Siamorphe is the goddess of humanity in the Realms: look at her portfolio.
Arbourean 02-05-08, 01:17 AM	I'd say it's a lot more silly that there is a bunch of people sharing the same planet yet claiming their pantheon is wholly separate from the one where half the gods have global-scale powers. Yes, I've often found the idea of a pantheon comprised of such powerful members being confined to only part of a continent rather silly. Back on topic, wouldn't Chauntea be a better deity of humanity (assuming they're one of the races she created)?
GothicDan 02-05-08, 07:29 AM	Indeed, if I HAD to choose a deity for humanity, it'd be Chauntea. But then she'd also be the deity for HUNDREDS of other races...
Jiggawha 02-05-08, 12:18 PM	never liked the idea of gods being the creators of most races but if I had to choose Ubtao is the closest
Charles Phipps 02-05-08, 02:31 PM	never liked the idea of gods being the creators of most races So, what, Dragons made them?
Lord Karsus 02-05-08, 02:54 PM	So, what, Dragons made them? -Evolution!
Charles Phipps 02-05-08, 05:29 PM	-Evolution! And magic shouldn't exist either. :P Somehow, evolution in fantasy seems to actually just break all suspension of disbelief. It's like drawing attention to the fact the world doesn't make any sense but randomly sticking in real world facts. Sort of like Superman and gravity.
Lord Karsus 02-05-08, 06:09 PM	Somehow, evolution in fantasy seems to actually just break all suspension of disbelief. It's like drawing attention to the fact the world doesn't make any sense but randomly sticking in real world facts. -With all of the multitudes of different Human racial groups, from all over the multiverse, I feel the exact opposite. Evolution from the same source, millions and millions of years ago is the only thing that makes much sense, barring a literal deity of humanity, who has thusly never been introduced or really even hinted at, who created Humans and flung them to all ends of the multiverse long ago. Elves have a clear creation, Dwarves a clear creation, and so on. But, Humans? Not so much.
Charles Phipps 02-05-08, 07:42 PM	-With all of the multitudes of different Human racial groups, from all over the multiverse, I feel the exact opposite. Evolution from the same source, millions and millions of years ago is the only thing that makes much sense, barring a literal deity of humanity, who has thusly never been introduced or really even hinted at, who created Humans and flung them to all ends of the multiverse long ago. Elves have a clear creation, Dwarves a clear creation, and so on. But, Humans? Not so much. Well certain worlds have humans created by one specific Race (Krynn for example) but those worlds tend to have Elves created by gods other than Corellon as well. For me, I just tend to think humans were let loose to wander at one point. ;-) I do like the Githyanki/Githzerai origin though. Except, the humans remained humans when freed by the Illithid empire that scattered them.
Taita_of_Imaskar 02-05-08, 08:16 PM	Didn't any of you watch the DnD cartoon? Obviously humans are planar interlopers of the greatest sort, theres no god of humans because Humans originate on "our" prime, and migrated eons ago to others (primes). Haha, at least thats what makes sense to me. They couldn't put a human god without risking the wrath of people who take the game too seriously. These people would find similarities between such god and our own, and claim that the designers were prejudiced toward whatever people 'cause they are saying so god is the creator of humans instead of such god... I don't know about the Realms though, being that they are a creator race...
The Ubbergeek 02-05-08, 09:41 PM	Strangely, they have 'neaderthals' in that cold lands sourcebook.. ;) :P
Lord Karsus 02-05-08, 10:32 PM	Strangely, they have 'neaderthals' in that cold lands sourcebook.. ;) :P -Frostburn, yes.
Taita_of_Imaskar 02-06-08, 04:47 PM	Not only that, but in DnD humans are known for their adaptability, which I think is suggestive of evolution. Other races are known to be set in their ways and adverse to change, sign of a deified origin.
Lord Karsus 02-06-08, 05:27 PM	Not only that, but in DnD humans are known for their adaptability, which I think is suggestive of evolution. -Or, at the very least, being able to adapt and change over a course of time. Other races are known to be set in their ways and adverse to change, sign of a deified origin. -Here, I diagree. The Halflings were created by Yondella and the Halfling Pantheon, and yet they don't seem like they, as an overall group, have very many problems with just going where they wind up, integrating with Humans, Gnomes, Dwarves, whoever. Being created via 'intelligent design' does not necessarily mean that a race has to be rich in tradition and adverse to change.
Taita_of_Imaskar 02-06-08, 06:01 PM	I agree that "created" races aren't necessarily tied by traditions and customs, but the great majority are. That being derivative of being brought into existence by a "God" who has established values and ethos, and instill those on their people. Even on the halfling's case, they're ways are of nomadic, free spirited people, which favors their divine patrons (creators). We don't hear about great halfling empires, or even of diverse modes of government, or highly different cultural variants. The great majority of halflings are either nomadic, live in others' communities or on "burrows". They follow what promotes their deities views of the universe. No other DnD race is as varied on all aspects as humans are. They are extremely flexible on morals, traditions, religion and every other aspect of existence, taking on a different mantle for every situation.
Charles Phipps 02-06-08, 09:27 PM	Actually, not really. Humans in D&D are different from humans on Earth. They have all the established qualities listed in the handbook. A patron god of humanity would be the God of Neutrality with Extra Feat.
Taita_of_Imaskar 02-06-08, 11:15 PM	Nah, I wouldn't have the God of Neutrality be the same as a God of Humans. Without waxing too much philosophy on what Neutrality is, I've always thought that DnD has it as more of a Balance oriented concept, instead of a Non Interference line of thought (as far as divinity is involved). We have representation of both, but the being that is the "God of Neutrality" would be more of a "even the scales" type than a "do nothing" one, in my view at least. I don't think that an entity whose concerns lay with Balance would have created or even sponsored the human race as a whole. Humans are all consuming, they spread like rats, conquer what they can, assimilate what they will, and eventually dominate their environment. Another indicative of the lack of such a divine sponsorship is in the fact that no god that claimed the mantle came and cursed a sizable group of humans for any infraction, which at some point in time, one of the many wildly different nations would had to have done. Gods tend to punish their creations when they stray (note that not all the creatures mentioned were created directly by divine intervention)... For elves we got drow... For dwarves we got duergar and derro... For gnomes we got spriggan... For halflings we got Jerren... Gods that create races go to great length to make sure the flock doesn't stray, by abandoning, punishing, cursing or at the very least changing the violators so that the rest know and understand that not many good things come to those who choose a "wrong" path. I don't know if you were joking, looks like it to me, but I have loads of time to fool around so...
Charles Phipps 02-07-08, 01:40 PM	No, I mean the God is Neutral. As in "I don't care, what you do. Go forth, do it." Like Crom in Howard's Conan. He doesn't give us :censored: after creating us. Besides, I think its important to divorce RL from describing humans. Likewise, don't pretend that Forgotten Realms has to compete with other gods in other settings. Humans on Earth don't exist in Dungeons and Dragons. In Eberron, the creator of humanity was Eberron the Dragon....flat out. Flat out, on Krynn, humans were created by Gilean and the rest of the gods of Neutrality. Likewise, Corellon has nothing to do with the elves on Krynn or Eberron. So, while he's the patron of elves, he's not the patron of ALL ELVES *EVERYWHERE* It's best to discuss on the FR god of Humanity or a generalist D&D Human God.
Lord Karsus 02-07-08, 01:49 PM	Likewise, don't pretend that Forgotten Realms has to compete with other gods in other settings. Humans on Earth don't exist in Dungeons and Dragons. -This is neither here nor there, but Earth is a Dungeons and Dragons setting, as discussed in DRAGON 359, pg. 34.
Taita_of_Imaskar 02-07-08, 03:26 PM	No, I mean the God is Neutral. As in "I don't care, what you do. Go forth, do it." Like Crom in Howard's Conan. He doesn't give us :censored: after creating us. Besides, I think its important to divorce RL from describing humans. Likewise, don't pretend that Forgotten Realms has to compete with other gods in other settings. Humans on Earth don't exist in Dungeons and Dragons. In Eberron, the creator of humanity was Eberron the Dragon....flat out. Flat out, on Krynn, humans were created by Gilean and the rest of the gods of Neutrality. Likewise, Corellon has nothing to do with the elves on Krynn or Eberron. So, while he's the patron of elves, he's not the patron of ALL ELVES *EVERYWHERE* It's best to discuss on the FR god of Humanity or a generalist D&D Human God. I believe that the reasons I gave for there not being a god that created humans were pretty divorced from real life as we know it, after all I haven't heard of any major divine intervention in my life time. What I think keeps the Realms from having a Crom like god is the direction that Ao set for the gods in general, callous and uncaring gods that do nothing for their worshipers don't last too long... Of course that only came after the the ToT so... Gods in the Realms need worshipers lest they fade away, and there being a variety of gods that are not only benevolent, but physically active in their worshipers lives would make Crom disappear pretty quickly... Which may be what happened to whatever god created humans, if they were created at all that is. Edit: Also, where am I "pretending" that Realms' gods have to compete with gods in other settings? Thats far out, and if in any of my posts I gave off that impression (in which post I did that, I cannot see) its been grossly misconstrued, not my view at all.
Charles Phipps 02-07-08, 06:19 PM	Gods in the Realms need worshipers lest they fade away, and there being a variety of gods that are not only benevolent, but physically active in their worshipers lives would make Crom disappear pretty quickly... Actually, I was making a point about a human god in general. THEN moved to FR.
The Ubbergeek 02-07-08, 07:46 PM	-This is neither here nor there, but Earth is a Dungeons and Dragons setting, as discussed in DRAGON 359, pg. 34. There was historical sourcebooks offered, the green covers - I have the viking age one here still. Plus, the Mask of Red death variation of raveloft, set on the 19th century era....
Lord Karsus 02-07-08, 07:52 PM	-Wan't there also something like 'Red Rose', or something? Or, am I mashing that with 'Mask of Red'?
The Ubbergeek 02-07-08, 09:24 PM	-Wan't there also something like 'Red Rose', or something? Or, am I mashing that with 'Mask of Red'? i guess its mask.
Purple Dragon Knight 02-08-08, 04:29 PM	Siamorphe: human nobility
Jiggawha 02-09-08, 06:43 AM	-Evolution! So, what, Dragons made them? no, it's better to leave it as a mystery, we can't explain it in real life, why should then one theory or philosophy dominate in DnD I also like the idea of evolution, but more fantastic one where evolution is catalyzed, involving genetic manipulation by magic, or psionics, involving concepts like the racial ''quantum leap'' of consciousness, like in the morphic field theories, it seems futuristic, but I imagine magic as physics anyway actually, I used human creation story as a background myth in a campaign few years ago: in short, humans were created by a race from the far, far future, so that their archenemies (who had evolved from a previous, unchanged race) wouldn't no longer pose a threat to them, and to their conquest of multiverse. That opposing race of the future possessed ''the essence of destiny''. Their enemies wanted that, so instead of eradicating their evolutional predecessors they have used illithids (their own ancestors, the story of illithid dominion in the future is only propaganda) to enslave the ''pre-race'', to experiment on them, to extract the essence. But illithids have failed due to Gith's rebellion, which changed the course of history. The story of Giths as far as I know is the earliest reference of humans, cause it happened aeons ago. In the campaign, several races have evolved from the slaves, among them, githyanki, githzerai and humans, who are the only who still hold ''the essence''. That essence is more like a philosophical concept, a state of mind.
Kenzuki 02-09-08, 07:56 AM	What if Humans created themselves?:eek:
Lord Karsus 02-09-08, 08:03 AM	What if Humans created themselves?:eek: -A logic trap.
Charles Phipps 02-09-08, 09:23 PM	FYI, the official story in my games is this. The Creator Race was originally a much more human-like race of Naga/Yuan-Ti like beings. Eventually, in Lovecraftian fashion, they created human beings as a slave race amongst other servants (Illithids and Beholders were both slave tenders). Then the Creator Race collapsed and humans migrated. So, humans are the children of Lathander and Chauntaea (who created the Creator race) once removed.
Another Gnome 02-10-08, 04:48 AM	What if Humans created themselves? -A logic trap. Only in linear time. Circular time on the other hand allows for something to create itself just fine.
XHereticX 02-10-08, 03:43 PM	Only in linear time. Circular time on the other hand allows for something to create itself just fine. Ahh, good old eternal reoccurence.;) Though I am suprised to find Kenzuki borrowing Nietzchian concepts.
Lord Karsus 02-10-08, 03:47 PM	Only in linear time. Circular time on the other hand allows for something to create itself just fine. -Which is impossible. Thus the problem with time travel.
XHereticX 02-10-08, 04:40 PM	-Which is impossible. Thus the problem with time travel. Hmm, I do recall this one theory where if you are on a wheel and you spin is faster than the speed of light and walk against the current and get off, you will travel backwards in time. Forwards you obviously just have to move faster than the speed of light and create a wormhole.
Lord Karsus 02-10-08, 04:46 PM	Hmm, I do recall this one theory where if you are on a wheel and you spin is faster than the speed of light and walk against the current and get off, you will travel backwards in time. Forwards you obviously just have to move faster than the speed of light and create a wormhole. -In my mind, that makes no sense. Most notably, how can you spin in a direction, and then move in the opposite direction at the same time?
XHereticX 02-10-08, 04:48 PM	-In my mind, that makes no sense. Most notably, how can you spin in a direction, and then move in the opposite direction at the same time? Senseless minds cannot comprehend sense, tis logic.;) As for the latter, I don't know, it's just a theory that seems to hold promise if they can get past the technological problem in what...a millenia or two.:D
Charles Phipps 02-10-08, 04:51 PM	Well I posted my "Lathander as God of Humanity" in my God thread.
Lord Karsus 02-10-08, 04:53 PM	Senseless minds cannot comprehend sense, tis logic.;) -Point taken. As for the latter, I don't know, it's just a theory that seems to hold promise if they can get past the technological problem in what...a millenia or two.:D -I don't even think that's very much even a technology problem. It's a physicis problem. If you are on a machine spinning that fast, the centrifugal force is going to pin you down.
XHereticX 02-10-08, 04:55 PM	-Point taken. -I don't even think that's very much even a technology problem. It's a physicis problem. If you are on a machine spinning that fast, the centrifugal force is going to pin you down. Hmm, humans might be able to find a way around the laws of physics sometime in the distant future.
Jiggawha 02-11-08, 04:55 AM	ever heard of the Montauk Project?
Lord Karsus 02-11-08, 05:01 AM	ever heard of the Montauk Project? -Sure. That Army/Air base is probably near MT's house, since it's deep into Long Island. -Anyway, the site's open to the public, and no evidence of an secret underground chambers, nor any UFOs, time travel-hyperspace chambers, or the U.S.S. Philadephia were on premise. ;)
Jiggawha 02-11-08, 09:03 AM	lol time belongs to the school of illusion in my games anyway
Lord Karsus 02-11-08, 09:12 AM	-Time is one of the amazingly (presumably, given it's importance) that's still floating around unclaimed in the Faerūnian pantheon. Mystryl had it, but after being reborn, she never claimed it.