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Charles Phipps 01-28-08, 12:52 PM	Bizarrely, in my campaigns I made a 'startling' revelation that was independent of anything else but it worked in the mythology of the setting that I'd established. Honestly, it's something that had its ups and downs but it seemed to be something the player characters didn't object to. Specifically, one of the seasoned Planar Travelers (and Chosen) revealed to a recovering racist Gold Elf that Lathander and Corellon were the same god. There were slight differences in how he chose to present himself but he, Hanelli, and Sehaine Moonbow were actually also famous human gods (Lolth is still just Lolth and Shar is just Shar). Pinea: (The Elf) So which was first!? Fuji: .....He's the :censored: Sun! Well before he was an Elf or a Human, he was a giant flaming Ball of Fire! Whatever race he creates or chooses to create really takes secondary consideration to that. We're dealing with something from when the universe was still being formed. Others might object violently to combining the deities but for me, it helped establish that the Forgotten Realms' Core Pantheon is very much an important part of the races while reinforcing a campaign theme that most of the races are all brothers even if they don't realize it.
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 02:25 PM	I wouldn't mind if Umberlee and Valkur were rolled into one, as one, all encompassing deity of the ocean and sailors. I don't like the "Umberlee is always evil", angle. As a deity of the oceans, I'd rather see her neutral, with "extreme mood swings", like the tides, or something to that effect.
Kenzuki 01-28-08, 02:29 PM	Well Nobanion is basically an animal version of Torm so.....
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 03:07 PM	Well Nobanion is basically an animal version of Torm so..... -And, ironically enough, Torm is oftentimes associated with a lion, due to what happened in Tantras' harbor.
Charles Phipps 01-28-08, 03:21 PM	Well Valkur and Umberlee are opposites and enemies really, albeit its a very one-sided rivalry. I think that Vhaeraun and Mask should be the same deity too. That can be Mask's "origin" but he's dead now, so...
Lord Karsus 01-28-08, 03:43 PM	Well Valkur and Umberlee are opposites and enemies really, albeit its a very one-sided rivalry. -Like I said, I'd rather have them merge, and leave 1 deity of the oceans, who has a temperment that ranges the entire gamut.
XHereticX 01-28-08, 04:06 PM	Hmm, Lurue and Mielikki could go together. I also think that it would be cool if Talos and Garagos. I really don't care what they do with the Faerunian Pantheon as long as it's still defined, just please don't mess with the unique and nonhuman pantheons.
Charles Phipps 01-28-08, 04:22 PM	I don't know. If Talos and Gruumsh are one in the same, would it make that much difference? It'd be interesting to note that Talos is an older and more powerful power than he appears. Edit: I made some controversial choices in another thread. Here they are... 1. Lathander The Morninglord/Corellon Lantheon: Combined deity. Basically, if they want to emphasize Corellon as a major power worshiped by Everyone, why not combine him with the God of Good that's known to be an awesome power with many Elvish Qualities? It would also explain why God Elves are such :censored: This is already canon in my games. 2. Selune/Sehaine: Combined Deity. Like the above, Selune and Sehaine were always the same power but neither side predominates. She was known as Selune to Humans just as long as she was known as Sehaine to the Elves. She's one of the Elder Gods along with Lathander. 3. Sune/Hanelli: Combined Deity. Because they're both Aphrodite and love to mess with their human worshipers. Really, there wouldn't be that much change from this. Also, I think she makes a better Inanna than Isis does over in Unther. This is already canon in my games. 4. Gruumsh/Talos: Combined Deity. Basically, Talos has always been a face of Gruumsh just like Lathander and Sehaine. However, it was Talos that arranged for his people on another world to be brought into the Forgotten Realms from other lands. 7. Tyr the Justice Bringer/Bahamut/Ubatao: Now this is going to be a controversial mixing but I like the idea that Tyr has been here from the very beginning. I also like the idea that he's widely different amongst other races in form but is still the wise patriarch type of character. It also makes him a mortal enemy of Shar. I'd have the new Tyr/Ubato destroy Eshowdow in the change over. 8. Torm/Nobanion: Combined Deity Torm was always Aslan, we just never knew it. 9. Mask/Vhaeraun: Combined Deity Mostly because of similiarity of their portfolios. I know it'd never happen but why NOT have the guy under the Mask be another God of thieves. 10. Mielikki/Lurue/Eilistraee: Combined Deity. I just love the idea that Eilistraee has always been the same Goddess that Drizzt has been worshiping just as Lurue the Unicorn is just another form of her. Since Mielikki is already part of the pantheon of the Seldarine and they're both Huntresses, why not? 13. Kelemvor/Ilmater Portfolio Assumption Because Kelemvor is awesome. I'd love him to take over Ilmater's ROLE as the God of Suffering and Healing, though, while keeping his LN alignment. Ilmater, frankly, just doesn't have a big enough role for me and I'd like to see him leave the Realms. 15. Cyric/Gra'azt/Gargauth (Combination) Really, mostly, because you need a Chaotic Evil God. Why combine him with these deities? Mostly, because Cyric can gain the evil tempter portfolio. I figure that he more or less just assumes their roles and became a lot smarter afterwards. 19. Shar/Tiamat Bizarre combination but I think that Shar and Tiamat have more in common than one thinks. They could definitely combine and form a Takhasis like character that is opposed to the role of Tyr and company. Also, there's the fact you can give Shar some nifty dragon themes. 21. Llirra/Eldath: Why not? I like the idea that Eldath can let her hair down and is the God of everything that we know and love about the world. 22. Hoar/Shevarash: Combined Deity Two very small deities overall but Hoar and Shevarash are the Gods of Revenge. Dammit if they don't work good for that role. 24. Finder/Milil: Combined Deity Cause really Finder is a better God of Music than Milil. I like the fact that he manages to move up in the world and I think that Finder would assume the portfolio of Milil with full willingness of that god. Perhaps Finder even won it in a music contest. 26. Red Knight/Siamorphe: Merged Deity I think that Siamorphe could definitely cede her portfolio to Red Knight and she could become the Patron Deity of Tethyr. Plus, all of Helm's portfolios could go to her and she could become a new Greater Goddess. It would help the Realms with a new Strong Female Deity. 28. Chauntaea/Yondalla: Because she's Mom. 29. Shaundukul/Garl Glittergold: Go Gnomes!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-29-08, 07:22 PM	I don't have a mind to combine any particular deities in my Realms. But reading about what other people have done is always interesting.:)