Post/Author/DateTime	Post
BrennonGoldeye 03-02-07, 10:07 PM	Besides "She was flippin nutz" does anyone have a theory on why Mystra hurled Herself at Helm during the ToT? I have a couple of players with some very interesting ideas and I would like to have a few more. Note- I said besides "She was flippin nutz". This isn't a request for a critique of the Goddess, just a search for alternate reasons for Her actions. SWLL all.:elf:
jwanderer5 03-02-07, 10:30 PM	Hurled herself at Helm? More like she really didn't realize that Helm would seriously put the smack down on her. There were rumors that the two had been romantically linked just prior to the ToT, so she might have thought that he would allow an exception to his guarding to her. In all cases, Mystra flat-out underestimated what Helm was capable of and what he was willing to do to follow his duty.
GothicDan 03-02-07, 10:56 PM	Because the Avatar Trilogy was crap.
Old Sage 03-02-07, 11:14 PM	Maybe Mystra still had a *thing* for Helm. Maybe she wanted to give him a big divine embrace before the end. Maybe she wanted to see whether Helm truly loved her... ...Maybe I should stop thinking so much about Mystra and Helm's one time relationship. :D -- I blame Khelben. ;)
Stigger 03-03-07, 12:09 AM	Weariness of her job and wanting to pass it on to someone else maybe... and doing it in a suitably dramatic fashion... dunno really, but it seems as good a reason as any.
Meldread 03-03-07, 02:15 AM	Didn't Mystra, as a mortal, used to be a mentally retarded woman being cared for by relatives, who just got lucky when Mystryl died? If so, then it could make sense that when she was cast down in the Time of Troubles, she had a minor throwback to her mortal days. ;)
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-03-07, 02:55 AM	She expressed her weariness to El during the book ‘making of a Mage’. I think she new that her death was coming. She unlike most of the other Gods planes for it by storing divine energy in mortal vessels. She might have thought she had a shot at getting past the guardian. Or she new her fate an embraced it. I mean she made sure that Midnight witnessed everything. Perhaps it was the only way she could give up the office. The burden of the centuries was a lot for her to bear. I mean she had recently freed the demigod of divinations. So maybe she new the Realms were about to change and that the guardian of the weave needed fresh blood with a different perspective! This question has always puzzled me as well. It bears further analysis.
boards 03-03-07, 07:21 AM	Maybe she simply thought that telling AO where the Tablets were would get him to allow them back to "heaven" and that Helm would let her past to do this. As for her continuing to attack Helm after he refused to let her, havent you all seen women throwing plates/knives at people when their mad:P
Stigger 03-03-07, 09:15 AM	None of the women I've ever know have ever done that...
Red_Wizard 03-03-07, 10:37 AM	Maybe she simply thought that telling AO where the Tablets were would get him to allow them back to "heaven" and that Helm would let her past to do this. As for her continuing to attack Helm after he refused to let her, havent you all seen women throwing plates/knives at people when their mad:P Yes, i've known too many tempermental women :P
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-03-07, 11:56 AM	Maybe she simply thought that telling AO where the Tablets were would get him to allow them back to "heaven" and that Helm would let her past to do this. As for her continuing to attack Helm after he refused to let her, havent you all seen women throwing plates/knives at people when their mad:P Manly just my Hispanic girl friends, but I know what you mean. God bless them I love those fiery temperaments! I think that’s probably one of the more reasonable excuses I have heard for her behavior.
BrianCritchley 03-03-07, 04:31 PM	but aye, mystra proably figured "Well if we're being punished for these damned tablets Ao should be intrested in hearing WHO STOLE EM!"
Boda 03-03-07, 07:47 PM	because magic poisoned her mind?!
BrennonGoldeye 03-03-07, 08:52 PM	Because the Avatar Trilogy was crap. Dan, behave.:) Didn't Mystra, as a mortal, used to be a mentally retarded woman being cared for by relatives, who just got lucky when Mystryl died? If so, then it could make sense that when she was cast down in the Time of Troubles, she had a minor throwback to her mortal days. ;) Yes, She was impaired. I agree with the possible return of her illness when She was forced into mortal form. Maybe Mystra still had a *thing* for Helm. Maybe she wanted to give him a big divine embrace before the end. Maybe she wanted to see whether Helm truly loved her... ...Maybe I should stop thinking so much about Mystra and Helm's one time relationship. :D -- I blame Khelben. ;) Once again, randy elves...
421 03-03-07, 09:59 PM	Quote: Originally Posted by GothicDan View Post Because the Avatar Trilogy was crap. Dan, behave. :) Rude but true.:D
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-04-07, 04:09 AM	It’s more likely that her mortal form was affecting her rational. Remember these Gods had not held mortal for for centuries. They were not used to the emotions and limitations of the human mind. Remember Bane freaking out about having to eat and go to the bath room?! So maybe she had a Divine panic attack and was not being rational.
BrennonGoldeye 03-04-07, 01:32 PM	It’s more likely that her mortal form was affecting her rational. Remember these Gods had not held mortal for for centuries. They were not used to the emotions and limitations of the human mind. Remember Bane freaking out about having to eat and go to the bath room?! So maybe she had a Divine panic attack and was not being rational. This is the prevalent opinion amongst my players. :D
Lord Karsus 03-04-07, 08:09 PM	-Whoa! LLKN is contributing to a very structured and philosophical conversation in a meaningful way, and hasn't called Brennon a girl! Congrats! :clap:
Alediran 03-04-07, 10:49 PM	-Whoa! LLKN is contributing to a very structured and philosophical conversation in a meaningful way, and hasn't called Brennon a girl! Congrats! :clap: :rofl:
MarkusTay63 03-05-07, 01:24 AM	-Whoa! LLKN is contributing to a very structured and philosophical conversation in a meaningful way, and hasn't called Brennon a girl! Congrats! :clap:Awwwww... Our 'sweet' little boy is all growned up now. :tie: Just joshin' ya' there, LLKN. ;)
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-05-07, 01:33 AM	I have not yet had an excuse to call Bren a girl in this particular thread. Give me time! I’m full of inappropriate comments.:D :P
Lord Karsus 03-05-07, 10:29 AM	-Indeed...:rolleyes:
Karsus the Mad 03-05-07, 12:22 PM	It’s more likely that her mortal form was affecting her rational. Remember these Gods had not held mortal for for centuries. They were not used to the emotions and limitations of the human mind. Remember Bane freaking out about having to eat and go to the bath room?! So maybe she had a Divine panic attack and was not being rational. Whoa...I'm actually in agreement with LLKN:confused: Something isn't right....:mymy:
MarkusTay63 03-05-07, 01:44 PM	Whoa...I'm actually in agreement with LLKN:confused: Something isn't right....:mymy:I think he's the 'evil' LLKN from the 'other' universe! Quick, check if he has a goatee! :eek: Wait... maybe we should just keep THIS one... ;)
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-05-07, 03:05 PM	Whoa...I'm actually in agreement with LLKN:confused: Something isn't right....:mymy: It’s a sign the fabric of the universe is breaking down! The planes are colliding! The Nine Hells have just run aground in Shadow Dale. AO just took a bite out of Sigil like it was a big donut! We are all doomed! Damn Lord Necron and is making senseness!:D ;) :P
BrennonGoldeye 03-05-07, 08:35 PM	I have not yet had an excuse to call Bren a girl in this particular thread. Give me time! I’m full of inappropriate comments.:D :P Inappropriate comments only make up about 6% of what your full of my dear boy.;)
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 08:52 AM	Inappropriate comments only make up about 6% of what your full of my dear boy.;) :bow:
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-06-07, 11:05 AM	Inappropriate comments only make up about 6% of what your full of my dear boy.;) :P Yeah well you are still a girl with that name!;) :P BrennonBrowneye;)
Renvale999 03-06-07, 03:11 PM	You get Lord Karsus, Brennon, and LLKN in a thread and you'll be amazed how quickly the thread gets de-railed lol ;) Anyway I think Mystra knew full well she was going to die and knew she would be struck down by Helm, hence why she went back. Some gods saw their fate coming (Mystra, Bhaal) and took steps before hand. I think Mystra knew her was time was up and did something about it. But that's just me and my idea's are usually lame.
Lord Karsus 03-06-07, 05:36 PM	You get Lord Karsus, Brennon, and LLKN in a thread and you'll be amazed how quickly the thread gets de-railed lol ;) -I had nothing to do with it. I was just merely making an observation, as an outsider to this thread.
Renvale999 03-06-07, 05:39 PM	-I had nothing to do with it. I was just merely making an observation, as an outsider to this thread. Do you wait until I post then post right after? LOL
Lord Karsus 03-06-07, 05:55 PM	Do you wait until I post then post right after? LOL -You just happen to be lucky, I don't know. :) -By the way- Chicago pizza sucks...
Renvale999 03-06-07, 06:20 PM	-You just happen to be lucky, I don't know. :) -By the way- Chicago pizza sucks... Tell me something I don't know, I moved here for my girl, if I had my way I'd be eating a New York Slice right now lol
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 06:38 PM	Tell me something I don't know, I moved here for my girl, if I had my way I'd be eating a New York Slice right now lol Bah, both suck! Wait...I'm originally from Indiana...what do I know of pizza?
Stigger 03-06-07, 06:50 PM	Not much, more than likely you gnome-hating sociopathic freak of magic... :P
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 06:55 PM	Not much, more than likely you gnome-hating sociopathic freak of magic... :P Hey now...don't go lying about people or slandering them. I love gnomes myself:D Now sociopathic, freaky, yeah, that's me:D
Stigger 03-06-07, 06:57 PM	It's libel in written form... and loving to torture and otherwise bring harm to gnomes doesn't count as 'loving' them... :P
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 07:47 PM	It's libel in written form... and loving to torture and otherwise bring harm to gnomes doesn't count as 'loving' them... :P It...it...it doesn't?:weep: But they make the most satisfying of pops....
Renvale999 03-06-07, 07:49 PM	It...it...it doesn't?:weep: But they make the most satisfying of pops.... ewww, I don't want to think about that too much lol
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 07:52 PM	ewww, I don't want to think about that too much lol Yeah, if you're squeemish, at first it might make you a little sick the first time you see a gnome skull being crushed to the point the eyes pop out and sag along the cheeks..... If you'll excuse me, I must go and slaughter some online people in deus ex and feed their cyber composited frankenstein bodies to my imaginary space hamsters I got from spelljamming gnome...whom I promptly sqooshed his skull to give you the above example...
Renvale999 03-06-07, 07:57 PM	Yeah, if you're squeemish, at first it might make you a little sick the first time you see a gnome skull being crushed to the point the eyes pop out and sag along the cheeks..... If you'll excuse me, I must go and slaughter some online people in deus ex and feed their cyber composited frankenstein bodies to my imaginary space hamsters I got from spelljamming gnome...whom I promptly sqooshed his skull to give you the above example... Again, ewwww. I like Lord Karsus better, atleast he doesn't have delusional fantasies of squishing gnomes. You know, if you told me I'd write that two years ago, I would have laughed at you. :rofl:
Karsus the Mad 03-06-07, 08:28 PM	Don't blame me. Stigger is the one that brought up causing harm to gnomes:) He didn't believe me when I told him I love the buggers. I do love them:P They're my second favorite race, right after Netherese human of course:)
BrennonGoldeye 03-06-07, 09:41 PM	Hey hey hey now. Talk about threadular degeneration. I post these threads to give some fresh ideas for my groups, not for an all out slapfight. KtM, lay off the Gnomes, I have a trade negotiation coming up with Flandal.:cip: . .. ... .... ..... ......Ok, I like the Slapfights, as long as they are either A) In good fun or B) Quite witty.:D
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-06-07, 11:37 PM	I love Gnomes too!! On a split! Deep Fried with mushrooms! Baked! Cajun Gnomes! Gnome shish kabobs! Gnome veil is my favorite though! YUMMY!:evillaugh :smirk: Back on subject for a bit! Could Mystra possible have been suffering from Postpartum Depression! I mean 7 little girls can stretch a mothers nerves to the limit!;) Bren you’re a women what do you think? :dancin: :P Lol jk
Old Sage 03-07-07, 12:24 AM	Mystra may not have *suffered* from the effects of PPD for all of her seven children -- or rather, the seventh child. Elue Shundar, the mortal host of Mystra, died before Mystra/Shundar could carry the seventh child, Qilue, to full term. A new mother had to be found before Mystra's own power consumed the child. Mystra set about looking for another suitable womb for the unborn Qilue, and found Iliryztara Veladorn. Veladorn was also pregnant but her adventuring ways had resulted in the death of her own unborn child -- she was not aware of this however -- and as a result, her own life was threatened because of it. Mystra decided to replace Iliryztara's dead unborn child with Qilue, thus saving both Qilue's and Iliryztara's lives. However, Eilistraee had plans for Iliryztara and her unborn child. Mystra, thus, sought permission from Eilistraee about whether the Goddess of Mysteries could intervene in Veladorn's life. Eilistraee agreed and Qilue was placed in Iliryztara's womb. When Qilue was born, she was born a drow and servant of both Mystra and Eilistraee.
MarkusTay63 03-07-07, 12:45 AM	Two goddess moms, and a Drow? Wow, talk about growing up with pressure.... :rolleye2: Not to mention all that guilt from having your first mom die....
BrennonGoldeye 03-07-07, 08:41 AM	Not to mention all that guilt from having your first mom die.... Well, to be fair, her dad beheaded her mom. Not quite her fault.;)
Renvale999 03-07-07, 09:52 AM	Well, to be fair, her dad beheaded her mom. Not quite her fault.;) Where's all this history coming from? What source are you guys drawing it from? Just curious.
Old Sage 03-07-07, 09:55 AM	Ed's Seven Sisters tome.
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-07-07, 04:39 PM	Well, to be fair, her dad beheaded her mom. Not quite her fault.;) It's PTSD! Thats why she did it!:D :P
BrennonGoldeye 03-07-07, 09:41 PM	:pbbbtt:
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-08-07, 12:53 AM	:pbbbtt: Mystra’s time of the month? :D :P
Lord Karsus 03-08-07, 09:06 AM	Again, ewwww. I like Lord Karsus better, atleast he doesn't have delusional fantasies of squishing gnomes. You know, if you told me I'd write that two years ago, I would have laughed at you. :rofl: -Wait...You didn't like me two years ago? What's up with that!?
MarkusTay63 03-08-07, 09:32 AM	One of the Netherese cities fell on his cousin... You know how it is. :(
Renvale999 03-08-07, 09:54 AM	-Wait...You didn't like me two years ago? What's up with that!? No it was if someone told me I would say "squishing gnomes" I would have laughed at that, not you LK.
Renvale999 03-08-07, 09:56 AM	One of the Netherese cities fell on his cousin... You know how it is. :( When the cities fell, you have to wonder..what do you do? If you're directly underneath, you know you're going to die and there's not a chance in hell you can run away (unless you have magic) I think I'd just stand there and give the city the finger as it plunged to earth hell bent on crushing me.
Karsus the Mad 03-08-07, 10:45 AM	Magic wouldn't work either. That's why the cities were falling in the first place:P
BrennonGoldeye 03-09-07, 08:08 AM	Haha! Finally the chance to show off some psionics! ;)
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-10-07, 04:06 AM	psionics are lame! Go to Dark Sun with that! :D :P
MarkusTay63 03-10-07, 12:34 PM	I'm starting to think you are a Sci-fiOphobe, LLKN. ;)
Lord Karsus 03-10-07, 06:28 PM	I'm starting to think you are a Sci-fiOphobe, LLKN. ;) -Among a whole plethora of other things, of course.
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-10-07, 07:38 PM	I'm starting to think you are a Sci-fiOphobe, LLKN. ;) I love Sci-fi. I just don’t like to mix my Sci-fi with my Fantasy. Mixing them Ruins the flavor of both genres.
Old Sage 03-10-07, 07:50 PM	Lucien... this really isn't that difficult, as I've told you previously -- "In your opinion" mixing them Ruins the flavor of both genres. Please, try to refrain from making such generalised statements. I'm not entering into another "debate" with you. Though, when you make comments like this, you're tempting others with less restraint to come back at you. You should try respecting the opinions of other posters every once and awhile. I happen to like psionics, and the Dark Sun setting also. But I've chosen not to debate that issue with you because I'm beginning to understand the reality that you may not have much respect at all for the opinions of others here.
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-10-07, 08:10 PM	Lucien... this really isn't that difficult, as I've told you previously -- "In your opinion" mixing them Ruins the flavor of both genres. Please, try to refrain from making such generalised statements. I'm not entering into another "debate" with you. Though, when you make comments like this, you're tempting others with less restraint to come back at you. You should try respecting the opinions of other posters every once and awhile. I happen to like psionics, and the Dark Sun setting also. But I've chosen not to debate that issue with you because I'm beginning to understand the reality that you may not have much respect at all for the opinions of others here. Sage, I was replying to Markus’s statement! I was not making a condemning remark about people who like to mix their genres. I will not debate it with you. I understand some people like Spells, guns, and death rays all in one game. Hell I like Rifts and the game has literally everything.:cool: My comment about psionics was directed at Bren. I really can’t fathom why you just attacked me about respect and opinions. I happen to like Dark Sun as well. I personally don’t like psionics in my Realms games. Maybe Bren does.:rolleyes: That’s cool with me, but I will still take any chance to annoy Bren just as I’m sure Bren will take any chance he or she can to annoy me. So I get what you saying, but there was no reason for the reminder. Thanks anyways.:D
BrennonGoldeye 03-11-07, 01:13 PM	I have come to the decision that the answer to the question "So why did Mystra do it???" was so that she wouldn't have to be around for this thread... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron 03-11-07, 04:33 PM	I have come to the decision that the answer to the question "So why did Mystra do it???" was so that she wouldn't have to be around for this thread... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That could very well be. But I would stick with the mortal mind emotional limitations theory. It’s has sound evidence and it makes sense.
Optimystik 03-12-07, 08:46 PM	Perhaps she thought he was mortal too. Oops, there goes magic.
Darth K'Trava 03-27-07, 11:20 PM	And all the subsequent arguing that went on here..... That'd drive anyone nutzo. :D
BrennonGoldeye 03-28-07, 05:21 PM	Except possibly Ruckusius, demigod of dumbazzness.:)
Lord Karsus 03-29-07, 10:13 AM	-Nobody really likes him, though.
BrennonGoldeye 03-29-07, 10:25 AM	Knows how to throw a shidig though. :)