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| msatran09-18-07, 04:47 PM | All right. Here it is. Here's my big question: You have player characters who are casters. 1385 hits. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? Do they have to make saves? Do they automatically go insane? Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? Do they have to save or die? |
| Lord Karsus09-18-07, 07:08 PM | -I guess we'll find out more then the 4e FRCS is published. |
| SmartPaladin09-18-07, 10:52 PM | Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? So that's how chicken nuggets make it to the realms! :P Seriously, no idea how you'll survive. We'll just have to wait and see. |
| msatran09-18-07, 11:17 PM | Not just for me, my friend. Ongoing 20 year game with 60 semi-active PCs or so. |
| Karsus the Mad09-18-07, 11:21 PM | All right. Here it is. Here's my big question: You have player characters who are casters. 1385 hits. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? Do they have to make saves? Do they automatically go insane? Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? Do they have to save or die? They will probably take a vacation to Sigil's Sleazy Side. Then pop on down to Pavlar's Positive Pool for some skinny dipping. Then finally off to Noreon's Negative Naughtiness to balance things out. Right before getting back to work being Dangerous Dungeon Delving Deviants, they weigh the pro's and con's of adventuring, seemingly unable to decide whether it's worth the risk anymore:eek: |
| SmartPaladin09-18-07, 11:31 PM | They will probably take a vacation to Sigil's Sleazy Side. Then pop on down to Pavlar's Positive Pool for some skinny dipping. Then finally off to Noreon's Negative Naughtiness to balance things out. Right before getting back to work being Dangerous Dungeon Delving Deviants, they weigh the pro's and con's of adventuring, seemingly unable to decide whether it's worth the risk anymore:eek: Can a Paladin go to those places with out the risk of falling, or are we stuck with hanging out at the Church of Sune and Sharess? :P |
| Karsus the Mad09-18-07, 11:50 PM | Can a Paladin go to those places with out the risk of falling, or are we stuck with hanging out at the Church of Sune and Sharess? :P I suppose so. I guess it depends on your balance checks:P |
| Meldread09-19-07, 12:24 AM | WotC has said that it is best just to start a new campaign when 4E comes out. The rules will just be too different for most characters. However, if they are insistent on bringing their old characters into the new Realm's here is my suggestion. Have them fighting a powerful BBEG that lures them into another plane, preferably some part of the Astral. They enter and give pursuit. The year is whatever you happen to be gaming in... They fall into the BBEG's trap who somehow manages to imprison them in the Astral Plane and escape. Crazy stuff happens. The Weave goes boom, Mystra dies, all the stuff described in the FRCS happens. Somehow find a way to tie your BBEG into that. (Just make him a Chosen of Shar or Cyric.) Your players somehow manage to get free from their imprisonment. It was a mixed blessing. They managed to stay out of range of the destruction, survive the aging process, but the world that they once knew is gone. It's become darker. The BBEG was successful in his plans. Your casters have managed to survive the Spellplague, but may be required to relearn how to use magic. Other characters may be forced to undergo similar relearning processes. This would result in some fast forwarding of time. Have them reroll characters and try to get them as close as possible to what they were under the 3E rules. Finally, have them continuing to play in the new Realm's. They will have plenty to do, and because they should at least feel some level of responsibility for what has happened, it gives them motivation to do so. |
| johnkretzer09-19-07, 12:50 AM | Let see here the say thousands of mage either die or go insane (so no mage are ok). Which I would I estiminate(though this might be high) a max of 19,999(as in higher I wopuld think they would have put ten thousands) Now considering the number of people that are mages in the Realms....see two whole nations fulled with mages...etc... By guess is roll percentil dice...if you roll lower then a 5% then they have issues... |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 08:31 AM | WotC has said that it is best just to start a new campaign when 4E comes out. The rules will just be too different for most characters. However, if they are insistent on bringing their old characters into the new Realm's here is my suggestion. -Now, you see, that's just in poor taste, in my book. That's akin to a college not accepting credits from a transfer school. It leaves you in that "I've just wasted X amount of my life" kind of state. |
| Suin Bahhar09-19-07, 08:55 AM | The plague could have an epi-center from where it spreads. This could give casters the time to flee and adapt at later time. My main problem is how would the learning proces to adapt to the new weave be taught? Would sorcerers who can feel thier innate magic and shape it with the force of personality have an easier time to feel out the new magics? Wizards will have to unlearn everything they were taught? Will Shar show herself in the nightsky cackling madly and proclaim all wizards should learn her new shadowweave magic techniques?!? Azuth could step in an show the world his old stored away ancient magic techniques by sending out his new clerics and chosen to educate... |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 09:20 AM | Azuth could step in an show the world his old stored away ancient magic techniques by sending out his new clerics and chosen to educate... -If you don't know, the Spellplague is going to be caused by the death of Mystra. When she is killed, Savras is utterly destroyed (Why?), and Azuth and Velsharoon are sent into the Astral Plane (Why?). |
| Suin Bahhar09-19-07, 09:31 AM | Oo You mean there is NO god of magic left? WTF????!!!!!??? |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 09:32 AM | Oo You mean there is NO god of magic left? WTF????!!!!!??? -Exactly. Isn't it awesome? :thumbsup: :nonono: |
| Alediran09-19-07, 09:41 AM | It's PURE CRAP. I hope that the next Mystra is not only good, but also exalted and decides to meddle even more in the world, kicking the bad guy's arses just to **** the mystra haters. |
| Suin Bahhar09-19-07, 09:41 AM | Argh. The Nether scrolls could contain lost ways of casting magic. Whoever possesses these could endup quickly changing to new magic and have an edge in Fearuns postapocalyptic conflicts. |
| MaskedOne09-19-07, 09:51 AM | It's PURE CRAP. I hope that the next Mystra is not only good, but also exalted and decides to meddle even more in the world, kicking the bad guy's arses just to **** the mystra haters. How about first we insure that WotC provides another Mystra that's non evil then you can start hoping for things purely to **** people off. As it stands, there is no such guarantee which I find rather annoying. Or of course, modify the storyline, Mystra permits the death on her ground as part of a ritual that lets her return at DvR 20 in a couple years but I doubt WotC will go there. |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 09:52 AM | I was fine with 4E until I read the last 2 pages of GHotR. I just hope that this massive change to the setting doesn't flop like the Fifth Age in Dragonlance did. |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 10:01 AM | As it stands, there is no such guarantee which I find rather annoying. -I found that peculiar as well. The first thing I thought when I read that part was, "And her replacement is...?" |
| Suin Bahhar09-19-07, 10:07 AM | "And her replacement is...?" Shar. :nonono: |
| MaskedOne09-19-07, 10:12 AM | The events around her death don't make sense and I'm using it as an excuse to say she planned her own death (and eventual ressurection) and forgot to tell Cyric and Shar they were idiots. Then again I'd pull that anyway until WotC provides for a new Lady Magic that I enjoy, it just doesn't take much work right now. I'm just hoping they do provide for a new one. Cataclysmic loss of mages + permanent death of Mystra = goodbye official FR. I don't read about Mystra because she's part of FR. I read about FR because it contains Mystra and I enjoy it magic wielders. 4E has me sitting here asking whether I'm intending to provide cash for a setting that just fried the main reasons I like it. |
| MaskedOne09-19-07, 10:22 AM | Shar. :nonono: Shar is going down after I get a guarantee of non interference from Karsus and feed Velsharoon to his ressurection. |
| Zanan09-19-07, 10:32 AM | Corellon is still left (as in: not mentioned so far) as a deity of magic. So only elves will be able to use it safely. Treehuggers rejoice! Essentially, your characters* cannot prepare for the Spellplague, as they won't have a clue. You as a DM will be able to prepare what happens once you get actually an understanding from reading the relevant sourcebooks. Till then, this topic is pointless. (Oh, I could suggest you turn all your characters into Psionic users, of course.) As for new characters once 4E start, utter rubbish. No rules system will tell me and my players what happens in the setting. Nor will I shed 15 to 20 level characters just for the sake of 4E. *Isn't it a shame that players always read all the sourcebooks, know all the stuff and you are more or less forced to invent your own game**? ** You see, there are a some 30,000 odd thousand years of Realms pre-Spellplague to play in ... |
| Chloramantis09-19-07, 10:55 AM | This is why I liked 2E and TSR. It seems that WotC has created the end of days for the Forgotten Realms. I didn't really like how the future is laid out at the end of GRotR. I realize that its an outline of things to come, but why put it there? Being a D&D veteran of over 20 years and knowing the end is near kinda pisses me off because I've put a lot of time and money into the Realms over the years. 4E isn't gonna get a stinking dime from me! |
| Chloramantis09-19-07, 11:01 AM | The future is set thanks to GHotR, so that should be it. Let it end there (like Dragon) and let the DMs do what they want with the Realms (isn't that how it was supposed to be). We now know the history and the future of the Realms. Why waste the paper on 4E! |
| MarkusTay6309-19-07, 11:21 AM | -Exactly. Isn't it awesome? :thumbsup: :nonono:Yes... it is... Bocob for president in '85 :D The Nether scrolls could contain lost ways of casting magic. Whoever possesses these could endup quickly changing to new magic and have an edge in Fearuns postapocalyptic conflicts.One must look further afield, if one needs to understand non-Weave magic, grasshopper. :emp: Since we now know who really penned the Imaskarcana, and we also know THEIR magic traditions are non-Weave based (either pre-Weave or changed later off-world), one could infer that the NEW empire of Imaskar will also have some fun magic to throw around in a post-apocalyptic Faerûn. BTW, this ties into my theory of what realm will merge with Toril, and if you throw in the author that gave us the above knowlege is THE lead designer of the new FRCS, it kinda makes some sense. ;) |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 11:33 AM | Shar. :nonono: -Nothing ever said that Shar suceeded Mystra. Shar is going down after I get a guarantee of non interference from Karsus and feed Velsharoon to his ressurection. -Masked One, I'll help you out in any way you need. Corellon is still left (as in: not mentioned so far) as a deity of magic. So only elves will be able to use it safely. Treehuggers rejoice! -Come on, Zanan. Mystra is the Weave, and Corellon is simply the patron of High Magic. Elves should be as "magicless" as everyone else. |
| SmartPaladin09-19-07, 12:06 PM | -I found that peculiar as well. The first thing I thought when I read that part was, "And her replacement is...?" Selune! Just to drive every fan of Shar crazy! :P |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 12:22 PM | Selune.... goddess of magic... :rant: :ahem: a long time ago - in a setting far far away. there were Three Moons who just also happened to be gods of magic. Their names were Solinari, Lunitari, and Nuitari... We can only pray that she doesn't become a Goddess of Magic and that they don't make the mistake of tying wizardly ability to moon phases. She might make a decent Goddess of Magic - I'm just fearful that it would open to the door to some designer having a subconsious Dragonlance moment. |
| SmartPaladin09-19-07, 12:47 PM | Selune.... goddess of magic... :rant: :ahem: a long time ago - in a setting far far away. there were Three Moons who just also happened to be gods of magic. Their names were Solinari, Lunitari, and Nuitari... We can only pray that she doesn't become a Goddess of Magic and that they don't make the mistake of tying wizardly ability to moon phases. She might make a decent Goddess of Magic - I'm just fearful that it would open to the door to some designer having a subconsious Dragonlance moment. Kay... How about Red Knight? Just for chuckles? :P |
| Turin7109-19-07, 01:13 PM | Wait, wait. Mystra dies??? So does this mean we'll have no more Chosen??................................ .. :cheer: :dancin: :clap: :w00t: :bounce: |
| MarkusTay6309-19-07, 01:28 PM | Selune would make a TERRIFIC goddess of magic - just make her more like Hecate. Give her the flavor of the mysterious "Goddess" of Wiccan lore - ambivalent, immensly powerful... and NEUTRAL. Hecate was doing the Moon/Magic thing long before Weiss ever pretended to be creative. :P Kay... How about Red Knight? Just for chuckles? :PSay WHAT?! :uh-huh: |
| GothicDan09-19-07, 01:40 PM | Lurue was Ed's original magic deity, but I think TSR asked him to change her to be more human-sympathetic (so even Mystra herself being humanized is largely the fault of the managers, not the setting). I'd like to see her be made the new deity, but with her lack of detail or ANYTHING since her writeup in the F&A trilogy, I don't see this happening. Selune and Shar are the most obvious choices. Both know already how to handle the raw magic that existed before the Weave, Shar's already created a (weaker, but working) version of the Weave, and I believe Champions of Valor linked Selune somehow to some new form of magic. I bet the Shadow Weave will collapse or be super weakened when the Weave does. I can see Shar gaining power overall, though, from Mystra's death. Only her Shadow Weave users would be able to still use magic for awhile (provided the SWeave doesn't collapse immediately). It'll end up either being Selune or both Shar and Selune, each controlling their own Weave/other form of magic management. Moon deities have always/often been linked with mysteries and magic, too: Hecate is a very good example, even though she was in reality a minor more cult-like deity figure throughout most of Greece, popularized largely through poetry originating from the Cyclades, which were closest to Asia Minor, where she originated. But she's traditionally far more capricious, sometimes cruel, sometimes malevolent than Selune ever would be. Actually, she's very much like Selune and Shar would be, combined as one, in terms of personality and domains of interest. What would I do if all of this went off? Savras wouldn't have been totally killed. He would have foreseen his death and placed a fragment of his soul in the famous Scepter, and given it to Azuth, who fled. From another plane, Azuth will gather the various Chosen/Proxies of the deities of magic, and any surviving deities of magic. They would all do a great magical ritual that would probably weaken/kill many, but would create a similar Weave based on the accumulated divine energy and magical paradigms of all inherent, and while Shar was busy off-plane, toss it onto Toril. Azuth would arise as the head of a small collection of lesser magical gods (Savras and Velsharoon included, as well as perhaps some risen Proxies/Chosen - most likely I would have the Simbul be raised to the Elven High Magic deity on this arcane council, sitting in for Corellon; I'd make the Simbul the Evocation seat), fight back Shar (perhaps with Selune's aid), and establish himself as the new god of magic. Elminster would be allowed to die and rest. Ioulaum and Larloch, the most forefront Weave users and RESEARCHERS (key here) would be tasked with reexamining the 'updated' Weave, given great power and jurisdiction, but also responsibility. They would effectively be the cause of New Netheril arising, and invigorating arcane magic across the Realms. Shar may or may not task Shade to join with this New Netheril, and it may or may not, so what I'd do with Telamont is still up in the air. |
| The_King_in_Yellow09-19-07, 01:45 PM | What if there is no longer a god\goddess of magic because one is no longer required with the destruction of the weave? |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 02:32 PM | What if there is no longer a god\goddess of magic because one is no longer required with the destruction of the weave? -Then we're not playing in the Realms anymore... :: Sigh :: Lurue was Ed's original magic deity, but I think TSR asked him to change her to be more human-sympathetic (so even Mystra herself being humanized is largely the fault of the managers, not the setting). I'd like to see her be made the new deity, but with her lack of detail or ANYTHING since her writeup in the F&A trilogy, I don't see this happening. -The main character in the novel Lady of Poison was a Cleric/Paladin of Lurue. A lot of the story involves Lurue, and I believe that, at the end, an Avatar of Lurue even makes an appearence. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 02:43 PM | All right. Here it is. Here's my big question: You have player characters who are casters. 1385 hits. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? Do they have to make saves? Do they automatically go insane? Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? Do they have to save or die? Well, in my Realms the Spellplague isn't going to happen. That's how I solved that problem.:) |
| Azuth09-19-07, 03:01 PM | Azuth would arise as the head of a small collection of lesser magical gods ... I always step up when needed. :D Seriously though, I really hope they (WotC) have a brilliant plan for keeping the feeling of the Realms alive. If it's just another (major) RSE who's only purpose is to update the rules and kill of the Weave, without replacing this with something (and that something better be marvelous!!) - I'm going to cry. Then I'm going to start a new campaign in 800 DR. -Azuth |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 03:03 PM | Selune and Shar are the most obvious choices. Both know already how to handle the raw magic that existed before the Weave, Shar's already created a (weaker, but working) version of the Weave, and I believe Champions of Valor linked Selune somehow to some new form of magic. I bet the Shadow Weave will collapse or be super weakened when the Weave does. I can see Shar gaining power overall, though, from Mystra's death. Only her Shadow Weave users would be able to still use magic for awhile (provided the SWeave doesn't collapse immediately). The Shadow Weave would collapse. Ed has said that the Shadow Weave is not actually separate from the Weave, it's simply the "echo" of the regular Weave that Shar has access to (but it's still not her Weave, it's all Mystra's). I don't know where the relevant quotes are right now, but I can probably find them later if you'd like. |
| Suin Bahhar09-19-07, 03:06 PM | :twitch: Won't all mythals go boom, waterdeep sink, the underdark collapse & the sky turn purple if all of the weave is destroyed? I think GD is on to something with the chosen rising or sacrificing themselves to become the new diety of magic. |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 03:13 PM | -The main character in the novel Lady of Poison was a Cleric/Paladin of Lurue. A lot of the story involves Lurue, and I believe that, at the end, an Avatar of Lurue even makes an appearence. Yup yup see spoiler below Lurue sends an avatar to Faerun to end the depradations of the Talona's Chosen, The Rotting Man. Somehow Talona see this just as it happens and interferes. The Avatar of Lurue is corrupted and imprisoned by The Rotting Man and turned into a some divinely powered servant of Talona. Lurue begins to become weaker due to the connection of her avatar to Talona. She sends murky visions to one of her Paladins - who ends up going and pretty much defeating The Rotting Man (who escapes) and restoring the Avatar of Lurue to it's proper state of being. Oh yeah - The paladin is assisted in this by a certain Deep Imaskari wizard who eventually gets a book all to herself, ala Darkvision. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 03:18 PM | Just a nitpick--I could have sworn the protagonist of Lady of Poison was a cleric, not a paladin. |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 03:29 PM | also - some of you might want to read the sample chapter from Salvatore's new book The Orc King. Here's the link The Orc King Sample Chapter (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Downloads/products_frnovel_959867200.zip). If you are wary of the zip file you can download it from the products page here (http://ww2.wizards.com/books/Wizards/Products/?doc=959867200). There's also a pretty long thread here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=920197) discussing this chapter. It gives all kinds of little goodies away.. like: it mentions the Spellplague as a thing of the past.. mentions the Rise of the Netherese Empire again.. Something about the coming of the aboleths.. |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 03:30 PM | Just a nitpick--I could have sworn the protagonist of Lady of Poison was a cleric, not a paladin. You're right - Now that I think about it more, he was a Cleric. |
| johnkretzer09-19-07, 04:09 PM | There is not going be a new Mystra because the Weave is all gone. Along with a bunch of gods that people complained they is too many( I never understood why people couldn't just ignore them. And there are going to force feed us the PoL concept... Let face it the New Realms ate the Old Realms and crapped out @#$%. Well atleast I can still play the olds Realms. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 04:26 PM | also - some of you might want to read the sample chapter from Salvatore's new book The Orc King. Here's the link The Orc King Sample Chapter (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Downloads/products_frnovel_959867200.zip). If you are wary of the zip file you can download it from the products page here (http://ww2.wizards.com/books/Wizards/Products/?doc=959867200). There's also a pretty long thread here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=920197) discussing this chapter. It gives all kinds of little goodies away.. like: it mentions the Spellplague as a thing of the past.. mentions the Rise of the Netherese Empire again.. Something about the coming of the aboleths.. In all friendliness, most of us already read that sample last week and are aware of all the spoilers therein. It's old news. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 04:28 PM | There is not going be a new Mystra because the Weave is all gone. Along with a bunch of gods that people complained they is too many( I never understood why people couldn't just ignore them. Well, the thing is the future is still up in the air right now. However, I do agree with you that... ...the New Realms ate the Old Realms and crapped out @#$%. |
| MarkusTay6309-19-07, 04:35 PM | The Shadow Weave would collapse. Ed has said that the Shadow Weave is not actually separate from the Weave, it's simply the "echo" of the regular Weave that Shar has access to (but it's still not her Weave, it's all Mystra's).Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Magic of Faerûn, pg.10 - "If Mystra were to die and the weave collapse, the Shadow Weave would persist." I know what Ed said, but he has also said he is very little input on what the 4e designers are doing. His words do not trump canon lore as far as WotC goes or RAW. Believe me, I wish Ed's words WERE law. :( -The main character in the novel Lady of Poison was a Cleric/Paladin of Lurue. A lot of the story involves Lurue, and I believe that, at the end, an Avatar of Lurue even makes an appearence.And THAT was also written by the guy who is the lead designer for the NEW Realms... :thinks: Perhaps we should all be reading Stardeep (http://web.mac.com/macbrucecordell/Stardeep/Stardeep.net.html) next. :smirk: |
| 18DELTA09-19-07, 05:10 PM | Interesting link MarkusTay63. Sentient Golem? Could it be a Warforge? Next book on the must read list. Curse you WoTC.;) To many books on must read list.:D |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 05:22 PM | Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. That's fine, but to me Ed's words are law.:) |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 06:11 PM | Perhaps we should all be reading Stardeep (http://web.mac.com/macbrucecordell/Stardeep/Stardeep.net.html) next. :smirk: -I'm looking forward to it. Any new information on the Star Elves, and/or the Sildeyuir is a good thing in my mind. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-19-07, 06:42 PM | I'm looking forward to that novel because of the character--Kiril Duskmoon is actually pretty interesting, and I can't say that I've seen any other alcoholic female elves in recent fiction... It's different. |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 06:54 PM | I'm looking forward to that novel because of the character--Kiril Duskmoon is actually pretty interesting, and I can't say that I've seen any other alcoholic female elves in recent fiction... -No, I can't say that I have, either. Aren't too many drunk anythings, actually. |
| daimyotx09-19-07, 07:25 PM | that book definitely looks interesting. When I first read Darkvision and ran across her character, I immediately thought she was very much like Elric of Melnibone from Micheal Moorcock's works. That's not a bad thing in my book. I miss old Stormbringer. The nice thing is she's not a carbon copy - she seems to be a decently thought out concept. And I also agree with Karsus in that anything more on the Star Elves is good. On that note I'll go back to reading GHotR with a farewell for the evening. oh.. and this: Blood and Souls for my lord, Arioch!!! |
| MarkusTay6309-19-07, 07:26 PM | The Dwarven Geomancer was also a refreshing change from the usually idiotic (read: RASian) Dwarf character stereotype. I liked Monolith too... creates a whole new type of Lore to use. :plotting: |
| Lord Karsus09-19-07, 08:44 PM | The nice thing is she's not a carbon copy - she seems to be a decently thought out concept. -Eh, personally, I didn't like the character too much. At least, not with what was provided in Darkvision. To me, Kiril seemed too much the "anti-hero" with no an unhappy and shady past, and 'no future'. You know- that kind of stereotype. More literature, though, will definitley add more depth to the character. Blood and Souls for my lord, Arioch!!! -Don't you mean, 'to your lord Karsus'? Eh? Eh? Eh? ;) |
| johnkretzer09-19-07, 11:54 PM | "If Mystra were to die and the weave collapse, the Shadow Weave would persist." Wow the only good thing I thought could come out of this was the destruction of the Shadow Weave...but I guess there is nothing good about this except that I'll be saving money. |
| Zanan09-20-07, 04:33 AM | Magic of Faerûn, pg.10 - "If Mystra were to die and the weave collapse, the Shadow Weave would persist." Instantly mail that bit of info to Rich Baker and any designer involved. Not sure if they know that. :cool: Then again, much lore was ignored when the drow deities were obliterated ... BTW, as I said in another thread, remind yourself that some try to finish a puzzle here which has not even been created fully as yet. |
| Lord Karsus09-20-07, 08:44 AM | Instantly mail that bit of info to Rich Baker and any designer involved. Not sure if they know that. :cool: -They should already know that...right...? |
| Alediran09-20-07, 09:33 AM | -They should already know that...right...? I don't think they remember. I hope they don't because it only gives whiniers more material to smite us saying: "see I WAS RIGHT!! and you where wrong" And the only thing that WotC will acomplish is creating a generation of idiots. |
| Bonzai09-20-07, 10:21 AM | Who's to say that there will even be a weave in 4E? The developers have already said that they want to avoid haveing realms specific rules. They want the systems to be interchangable, and in theory taking out the weave (and this would mean the shadow eave as well), would make Realms magic functionaly the same as Eberron magic, or Ravenloft, etc... Heh, more than likley the GHotR will be the last product I buy, unless 4E turns out to be some enourmous improvement. I used to be a hard core Dragonlance fan, and they lost me when they turned the world on it's head. They are threatening to do the same with the realms. If thats the case, I'll just stick with 3.5, start a campaign in the days of Thunder, and slowley work my way forward. As for how a wizard can survive the spell plague... El is going to do it by being in a different plane/dimension. Presumably so will Azuth and Velrashoon. |
| daimyotx09-20-07, 11:03 AM | -Don't you mean, 'to your lord Karsus'? Eh? Eh? Eh? ;) hrmm... lemme think on that.. nope. I might change it to "Blood and Souls for my Lord Ioulam", but I really don't think it would matter to him one way or another.... I guess Karus would do in a pinch.. :devil: |
| Lord Karsus09-20-07, 01:00 PM | hrmm... lemme think on that.. nope. -Well, you keep thinking on that. It's probably in your best interests to do so...:incog: |
| Turin7109-20-07, 02:11 PM | Surviving the Spellplague... hmmm......Persistant Time stop??? |
| Turin7109-20-07, 02:13 PM | In all friendliness, most of us already read that sample last week and are aware of all the spoilers therein. It's old news. Not for me. I still haven't been able to open that darn link :mad: . If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be happy. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin09-20-07, 04:22 PM | Not for me. I still haven't been able to open that darn link :mad: . If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be happy. Just go to The Orc King page in the "Books" section of this site. That should work. |
| steve745609-22-07, 08:06 PM | All right. Here it is. Here's my big question: You have player characters who are casters. 1385 hits. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? Do they have to make saves? Do they automatically go insane? Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? Do they have to save or die? I would suggest a "vacation" on another plane, perhaps he could join El at Ed's House? Cheers |
| mephron09-22-07, 09:42 PM | Who's to say that there will even be a weave in 4E? The developers have already said that they want to avoid haveing realms specific rules. They want the systems to be interchangable, and in theory taking out the weave (and this would mean the shadow eave as well), would make Realms magic functionaly the same as Eberron magic, or Ravenloft, etc... Except it already is functionally the same as the magic on Eberron and in Ravenloft. The Weave is, at it's very bottom, fluff. It's "and this is how magic works here". I already disagree with the utter existence of the Shadow Weave, mostly for the same reason - the Weave, previous to the revelation of the Shadow Weave, was always used as a metaphor, not a 'oh and magic looks like cloth, so you can run new bits through it' kind of thing. That struck me as someone going "hey, what can we make more evil stuff with magic" and NOT understanding the concept of metaphor. But then, Wizards of the Coast and the concept of metaphor have never struck me as compatible concepts. |
| ElberethSilverleaf09-22-07, 09:50 PM | Blah blah blah... We won't know anything unless we shell out yet another couple hundred more sheckels for yet another revamped game system that fixes something that wasnt broke in the first place................................... .................. |
| Moraser_the_Magnificent09-22-07, 11:38 PM | heh, everything upcoming has already been done in my game world or is being done as we speak. Remember folks, your world doesn't have to stick to the timeline if you feel it sucks. Have your gamers roll up epic characters with 65ish levels & task them with "fixing" your realms. I killed off Cyric within a week of the Time of Troubles, he's a wuss god, kinda like a skinny kid who doesn't get his way & throws a tantrum. My personal feelings on the whole ordeal are rather irksome. Just reading that puts a bad taste in my mouth for the Realms. I think Wizard$ may be trying to kill it to give Eberron a bigger push. Besides, unless they really break from tradition of the Realms publishing, the actual event won't occur for another 5-6 years....... It's 1374/1375 D.R.? They generally advance only 1-2 years at a stretch. If history maintains: the 1st edition set, published in 1987, the year was 1357/1358 D.R., The Year of the Prince. 20 years and they've jumped forward 18 years.... Even if they make up for the missing 2 years, it still won't be 1385. |
| Fallensbane09-24-07, 03:39 AM | Okay I am seeing tons of threads about the spellplague popping up and being buried here. Is there much known about it now, a thread perhaps that compiles what is known about the spellplague that I have missed, I have searched with little luck. Thanks :) |
| Suin Bahhar09-24-07, 09:37 AM | Do chickens explode when your cleric prays? Only when he doen't worship the Great Rooster, the new god of magic :r: :w: :chicken: :r: :r: :turkey: :r: :r: :chicken: :r: :w: :D |
| arcanist supreme09-30-07, 03:34 PM | sigh .. so sad. Mystra is dead? Which book / novel actually referenced that? |
| The Ubbergeek09-30-07, 06:41 PM | Blah blah blah... We won't know anything unless we shell out yet another couple hundred more sheckels for yet another revamped game system that fixes something that wasnt broke in the first place................................... .................. It's not like 'if it's not broke, why fix it?' idea have not served the videogame worlds... :rolleyes: Or Gygax and his works, which recent ones have astrange déjè vu alure. Really, this kind of attitude bring stagnation and statism on the long range, and block ANY changes, even beneficial ones. |
| SgtAnjay09-30-07, 08:45 PM | By the way, there are plenty of changes people aren't doom and gloom about. Fact of the matter is, though, many coming changes seem to be robbing the Realms of their unique allure. Saying "oh all this stuff is destroying the Realms but at least its change" is nonsense. Change for change's sake isn't any more beneficial than stagnation. |
| ywhtptgtfo09-30-07, 09:46 PM | sigh .. so sad. Mystra is dead? Which book / novel actually referenced that? GHotR. Apparently, Cyric managed to kill Mystra in her home plane. Don't worry about the mechanics, as WotC doesn't worry itself with that these days, as observed by how it killed of Kiaransalee. |
| johnkretzer10-01-07, 01:27 AM | It's not like 'if it's not broke, why fix it?' idea have not served the videogame worlds... :rolleyes: Or Gygax and his works, which recent ones have astrange déjè vu alure. Really, this kind of attitude bring stagnation and statism on the long range, and block ANY changes, even beneficial ones. Videogame 'worlds' are shallow, one dimensional construct that are only there to serve the purpose of one game which you are lock into. A RPG world is meant to serve the needs of many games that are alot more freeform than anything a videogame can hope to match. 'Fixing' a RPG setting is alot more delicate then just rebooting it. |
| arcanist supreme10-01-07, 01:16 PM | Great! Mystra is dead. :( I recalled I picked up my first FR book - Faiths and Avatars. I was amazed by the Stats of the Gods and particularly Mystra 40 Mage / 40 Cleric. She must be super powerful. Yeah .. power attracted me and I began to read other books relating to this Goddess. I bought tons of books - her Chosen, Prince of Lies, The Crucible, etc .... I simply cannot believe WOTC killed her off just like that. How can Cyric even kill her? Even with Shar's aid; to enter into DweomerHeart is INSANE (even for Cyric). I hate WOTC now! :( |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin10-01-07, 02:42 PM | Really, this kind of attitude bring stagnation and statism on the long range, and block ANY changes, even beneficial ones. "Statism"? Didn't know you were a Libertarian!:) Not a fan of statism, myself, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Saying "oh all this stuff is destroying the Realms but at least its change" is nonsense. Change for change's sake isn't any more beneficial than stagnation. I totally agree! Not all change is good, people. Keeping things the same isn't always "stagnation". I'd love for someone to explain to me why and how the Realms would "stagnate" if it didn't change radically all the time. It's not a real world. |
| Lord Karsus10-01-07, 05:31 PM | -It's not that the Realms before 4e were stagnant. Like the real world, things change gradually. Slowly. |
| SgtAnjay10-01-07, 09:08 PM | Even an occasional jar or trauma wouldn't neccesarily be bad or out of the question. Just, you know, do it well and think it through completely. Alot can be forgiven for the sake of a great story. Ironically, my vote for best RSE story-wise would be Karsus' Folly, which was solely background for the campaign setting. I guess it's theirs too, since they keep using inferior copies of it.... |
| Lord Karsus10-01-07, 11:27 PM | -Very inferior. Nothing is as good as the original. ;) |
| Kieran_Immerdusk10-02-07, 09:03 PM | WotC has said that it is best just to start a new campaign when 4E comes out. The rules will just be too different for most characters. However, if they are insistent on bringing their old characters into the new Realm's here is my suggestion. Have them fighting a powerful BBEG that lures them into another plane, preferably some part of the Astral. They enter and give pursuit. The year is whatever you happen to be gaming in... They fall into the BBEG's trap who somehow manages to imprison them in the Astral Plane and escape. Crazy stuff happens. The Weave goes boom, Mystra dies, all the stuff described in the FRCS happens. Somehow find a way to tie your BBEG into that. (Just make him a Chosen of Shar or Cyric.) Your players somehow manage to get free from their imprisonment. It was a mixed blessing. They managed to stay out of range of the destruction, survive the aging process, but the world that they once knew is gone. It's become darker. The BBEG was successful in his plans. Your casters have managed to survive the Spellplague, but may be required to relearn how to use magic. Other characters may be forced to undergo similar relearning processes. This would result in some fast forwarding of time. Have them reroll characters and try to get them as close as possible to what they were under the 3E rules. Finally, have them continuing to play in the new Realm's. They will have plenty to do, and because they should at least feel some level of responsibility for what has happened, it gives them motivation to do so. Or you could just ignore the whole thing, save thousands on books, and play your campaign the way it was before WOTC jumped the shark with FR. |
| Lord Karsus10-03-07, 12:38 PM | Or you could just ignore the whole thing, save thousands on books, and play your campaign the way it was before WOTC jumped the shark with FR. -That would be a nice, neat solution. And, it definitley is possible. But, by ignoring the current canon storyline and all, you are lessening the worth of future sourcebooks. For example, if you continue with the current canon storyline, why bother buying that new Faiths and Pantheons 4e, that has extra, added goodies? You know what I mean? You can, but... |
| Kieran_Immerdusk10-03-07, 01:03 PM | -That would be a nice, neat solution. And, it definitley is possible. But, by ignoring the current canon storyline and all, you are lessening the worth of future sourcebooks. For example, if you continue with the current canon storyline, why bother buying that new Faiths and Pantheons 4e, that has extra, added goodies? You know what I mean? You can, but... I'm going to wait and see what 4E and FRCS 4E have to offer before making snap judgments, but these sneak peaks have been very disturbing. If they decimate the Realms by changing all of the things that made it the Realms, then I fear that those tidbits may not be as tasty as they used to be... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin10-03-07, 02:02 PM | Or you could just ignore the whole thing, save thousands on books, and play your campaign the way it was before WOTC jumped the shark with FR. That's pretty much what I plan to do, myself. Yes, FR does seem to have "jumped the shark". |
| Markustay10-03-07, 06:26 PM | More like 'jumping the megalodon' in this case. ;) To survive the Spellplague, one merely need wear an artifact known as the Personal Weave. Looking much like an ordinary belt, the item generate a field around the user, duplicating the effects of being within Mystra's Weave. First created by Mystryl for her Chosen while they were investigating other realities, these belts have become all the rage with today's fashion-minded Waterdhavians. :D |
| Alediran10-04-07, 09:48 AM | More like 'jumping the megalodon' in this case. ;) To survive the Spellplague, one merely need wear an artifact known as the Personal Weave. Looking much like an ordinary belt, the item generate a field around the user, duplicating the effects of being within Mystra's Weave. First created by Mystryl for her Chosen while they were investigating other realities, these belts have become all the rage with today's fashion-minded Waterdhavians. :D I'll probably use that idea if someday I become crazy and DM 4ed FR. |