Telkiira and Selukiira [Archive] - Wizards Community

Telkiira and Selukiira [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
locustechpriest
08-18-07, 01:32 PM I am seeking any known stats or information on the lorestones. I read about them in the Last Mythal trillogy (I think that's right). Is that their first appearance in FR lore, or are they found elsewhere?
Zarreth_Nessad
08-18-07, 02:52 PM The Telkiira are presented in the Lost Empires of Faerun, and Kiira's (lesser version of a Telkiira) are in (I believe) Magic of Faerun. The Selukiira presented in the book is an epic level item, for what should be obvious reasons (like being able to store epic spells in it), but I have not been able to find an actual Magic Item writeup for it.
Lord Karsus
08-18-07, 06:49 PM -For more information, see both of their entries in Elves of Faerūn.
Mad Mage
08-18-07, 10:41 PM Wasn't there some form of kiira that appeared in Elminster in Myth Drannor? :thinks:

Granted, locustechpriest, I don't know if this is what you're intending by "first appearance in FR lore", but I thought it might be worth mentioning regardless.
MerrikCale
08-18-07, 11:46 PM -For more information, see both of their entries in Elves of Faerūn.

the what?
Karsus the Mad
08-19-07, 08:23 AM Wasn't there some form of kiira that appeared in Elminster in Myth Drannor? :thinks:

Granted, locustechpriest, I don't know if this is what you're intending by "first appearance in FR lore", but I thought it might be worth mentioning regardless.

Yep. There was a house kiira in Elminster in Myth Drannor. Given what the book provides about it, I'd assume it's of the kind as presented in Magic of Faerun.
Lorimo the Disbeliever
08-19-07, 08:27 AM Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves has information on kiira stones.
Zarreth_Nessad
08-19-07, 08:27 AM Yep. There was a house kiira in Elminster in Myth Drannor. Given what the book provides about it, I'd assume it's of the kind as presented in Magic of Faerun.
Actually, that should have been a Telkiira, but would have had some sort of futzing with either by Mystra or in the creation of the Telkiira, that a non-elf could wear and use it...
locustechpriest
08-19-07, 01:12 PM the what?

Lord Karsus is referring to the notebook on this forum, founded and contributed to by him. The link can be found in his signature.

@ LK: I was looking at that a couple of days ago, it shames me to think that I missed them! I am actually quite amazed that I got your attention. I'm rather new here, but it is readily apparent that you are a significant and noteworthy contributor.
Karsus the Mad
08-19-07, 02:48 PM @ LK: I was looking at that a couple of days ago, it shames me to think that I missed them! I am actually quite amazed that I got your attention. I'm rather new here, but it is readily apparent that you are a significant and noteworthy contributor.
Don't boost his ego;) He's already full of hubris as it is:P
Green Elven Vampire
08-19-07, 03:29 PM Elves of Faerun? Where can I buy that book? Never heard of it. :rolleyes:
locustechpriest
08-19-07, 06:06 PM I don't know whether to take you seriously or not. Either way, read my last post, two above yours...
MerrikCale
08-19-07, 11:23 PM Lord Karsus is referring to the notebook on this forum, founded and contributed to by him. The link can be found in his signature.

I know. I read it all the time, but everytime he mentions it on another thread. I asked "the what?" or "what is Elves of Faerun?" or "when did WOTC publish that?" It annoys the heck out of him and I giggle like a schoolgirl
Lord Karsus
08-20-07, 09:15 AM It annoys the heck out of him and I giggle like a schoolgirl

-Laugh it up, furball.

Don't boost his ego;) He's already full of hubris as it is:P

-Don't listen to my counterpart here. He is, after all, insane.
MarkHall
08-20-07, 11:19 AM Actually, that should have been a Telkiira, but would have had some sort of futzing with either by Mystra or in the creation of the Telkiira, that a non-elf could wear and use it...

A little speculation: Kiira are the stones themselves, not bound by race. Telkiira (or, perhaps, tel-kiira) are those that are bound to the elves, the Tel-quessir. So, anyone, of any race, can use a kiira, but the tel-quessir are the only ones to use the tel-kiira.
Lord Karsus
08-20-07, 12:37 PM A little speculation: Kiira are the stones themselves, not bound by race. Telkiira (or, perhaps, tel-kiira) are those that are bound to the elves, the Tel-quessir. So, anyone, of any race, can use a kiira, but the tel-quessir are the only ones to use the tel-kiira.

-Tel is simply a word in Elven.
MarkHall
08-20-07, 01:58 PM -Tel is simply a word in Elven.

Actually, it seems to be a prefix... we see it used in Tel-quessir and telkiira. Unless Elves of Evermeet has what it actually means?
Lord Karsus
08-20-07, 03:06 PM Actually, it seems to be a prefix... we see it used in Tel-quessir and telkiira. Unless Elves of Evermeet has what it actually means?

-Tel means 'of the'. Thus, Teu'Tel'Quessir, or 'People of the Moon' (Moon Elves) and Teu'Tel'Kiira, or 'Stones of the Moon' (Moonstones), and so on.

Elven Dictionary (http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/dagnirion/Elven.html)
Zarreth_Nessad
08-20-07, 04:25 PM Telkiira (as it is presented in Lost Empires of Faerun) are specifically the stones made for (and generally by, it would be assumed) the noble elven houses, as the one in the Elminster series was, and it is supposed to mean something along the lines of "High Loregem". I was stating that under normal circumstances a Telkiira cannot be worn/used by anyone without Elven blood, thus in the Elminster series one would see something strange going on when Elminster, a full-blooded human, was able to use it. Something like his being a chosen of Mystra protecting him from the worst of it and the normal effects of just having it were still affecting him (effects that later were shown to be the same for an elf when Elminster transferred it to the heir).

Kiira, on the other hand, don't have nearly the effect or power of the Telkiira, basically functioning as a unique spellbook that can be used by anyone. The effects described in the Elminster series of the House's Loregem were far beyond the effects of a normal Kiira.
selunatic2397
08-20-07, 04:53 PM I seem to remember Elminster being urged by the Telkirra, or the dead elf's memories in the Telkirra, to polymorph himself into an elf ...

because he was being messed with mentally by the fact that he was not an elf...

After he did so, he seemed to be fine...although he was following the dead elf's memories/last wishes in getting revenge on some hated relative of the aforementioned dead elf...

Are my memories of this book serving me truly...or falsely??? :confused:
MarkHall
08-20-07, 06:49 PM -Tel means 'of the'. Thus, Teu'Tel'Quessir, or 'People of the Moon' (Moon Elves) and Teu'Tel'Kiira, or 'Stones of the Moon' (Moonstones), and so on.

Elven Dictionary (http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/dagnirion/Elven.html)

Thanks. Didn't have that link.
MerrikCale
08-20-07, 09:13 PM -Laugh it up, furball.

who told you about my back hair?
locustechpriest
08-20-07, 09:23 PM who told you about my back hair?

Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic.

So, tell me you didn't name yourself after a certain spearwielding priest of Lurue.
MerrikCale
08-20-07, 10:50 PM Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic.

So, tell me you didn't name yourself after a certain spearwielding priest of Lurue.

i did no such thing
Lord Karsus
08-21-07, 08:43 AM Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic.

-With him, get used to it. That's his modus operandi. ;)

Thanks. Didn't have that link.

-No problem. It's a fine dictionary, if I do say so myself.

I was stating that under normal circumstances a Telkiira cannot be worn/used by anyone without Elven blood, thus in the Elminster series one would see something strange going on when Elminster, a full-blooded human, was able to use it.

-It's a good thing Elminster has Elven blood in him, isn't it? ;)
MarkHall
08-21-07, 10:45 AM -It's a good thing Elminster has Elven blood in him, isn't it? ;)

Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?
Karsus the Mad
08-21-07, 11:10 AM Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?
I think his grandsire, the Stag King, dallied with elven maidens. Even the Srinshee led the Stag King on a wild chase. I don't recall El having elven blood in him however. Khelben did tho'. Maybe LK is going senile again?
Lord Karsus
08-21-07, 11:12 AM Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?

-Don't you know? Anybody who is anybody has Elven blood!

-Anyway, 'scuse me. I was mixing up Khelben and Elminster again. ;)
Zarreth_Nessad
08-21-07, 09:41 PM LOL
Had me worried for a minute there.. thought I missed something significant about El.
While it's being mentioned, the Elven Handbook you made, LK, is very good. I, for one, am glad to see it on the forums. Thanks to you and to those who have contributed to it.
MarkusTay63
08-25-07, 12:08 AM Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?From Dragon Magazine #228, the Athalantan Campaign -
King Uthgrael Aumar married Syndrel Hornweather, who seems to have been half-elven... <snip>Wed in 188 DR, they had seven sons, known to history as the warring Princes of Athalantar. Listed in order of Birth these were... <snip> Elthryn... <snip>In Heldon, Elthryn married a forester's daughter, Amrythale Goldsheaf, in 210 DR. They had one son, Elminster, born in 212 DR.

So Elminster's paternal grandmother was half-Elven, making him only 1/8 Elven - but I suppose that is enough for the Kira-watsis. ;)
MarkHall
08-25-07, 12:55 AM It's enough to make him a spellsinger, if he likes.

But could he have become a bladesinger? :P
MarkusTay63
08-25-07, 12:58 AM I heard he couldn't even hold a tune... :P
MarkHall
08-25-07, 01:11 AM According to the FRCS, he can dance. ;-P
Zarreth_Nessad
08-25-07, 11:44 AM 1/8 would be enough for a Telkiira as a plot hook, that's for sure, but otherwise game-rules you have to be half-elven to qualify for "elven blood" related requirements, as far as I know. (See description of the half-elf character for details)
Lord Karsus
08-25-07, 05:59 PM According to the FRCS, he can dance. ;-P

-That's not all he can do.

-And, it turns out I was right about Elminster, even though I didn't even realize it. Cryptomnesia...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
locustechpriest 08-18-07, 01:32 PM	I am seeking any known stats or information on the lorestones. I read about them in the Last Mythal trillogy (I think that's right). Is that their first appearance in FR lore, or are they found elsewhere?
Zarreth_Nessad 08-18-07, 02:52 PM	The Telkiira are presented in the Lost Empires of Faerun, and Kiira's (lesser version of a Telkiira) are in (I believe) Magic of Faerun. The Selukiira presented in the book is an epic level item, for what should be obvious reasons (like being able to store epic spells in it), but I have not been able to find an actual Magic Item writeup for it.
Lord Karsus 08-18-07, 06:49 PM	-For more information, see both of their entries in Elves of Faerūn.
Mad Mage 08-18-07, 10:41 PM	Wasn't there some form of kiira that appeared in Elminster in Myth Drannor? :thinks: Granted, locustechpriest, I don't know if this is what you're intending by "first appearance in FR lore", but I thought it might be worth mentioning regardless.
MerrikCale 08-18-07, 11:46 PM	-For more information, see both of their entries in Elves of Faerūn. the what?
Karsus the Mad 08-19-07, 08:23 AM	Wasn't there some form of kiira that appeared in Elminster in Myth Drannor? :thinks: Granted, locustechpriest, I don't know if this is what you're intending by "first appearance in FR lore", but I thought it might be worth mentioning regardless. Yep. There was a house kiira in Elminster in Myth Drannor. Given what the book provides about it, I'd assume it's of the kind as presented in Magic of Faerun.
Lorimo the Disbeliever 08-19-07, 08:27 AM	Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves has information on kiira stones.
Zarreth_Nessad 08-19-07, 08:27 AM	Yep. There was a house kiira in Elminster in Myth Drannor. Given what the book provides about it, I'd assume it's of the kind as presented in Magic of Faerun. Actually, that should have been a Telkiira, but would have had some sort of futzing with either by Mystra or in the creation of the Telkiira, that a non-elf could wear and use it...
locustechpriest 08-19-07, 01:12 PM	the what? Lord Karsus is referring to the notebook on this forum, founded and contributed to by him. The link can be found in his signature. @ LK: I was looking at that a couple of days ago, it shames me to think that I missed them! I am actually quite amazed that I got your attention. I'm rather new here, but it is readily apparent that you are a significant and noteworthy contributor.
Karsus the Mad 08-19-07, 02:48 PM	@ LK: I was looking at that a couple of days ago, it shames me to think that I missed them! I am actually quite amazed that I got your attention. I'm rather new here, but it is readily apparent that you are a significant and noteworthy contributor. Don't boost his ego;) He's already full of hubris as it is:P
Green Elven Vampire 08-19-07, 03:29 PM	Elves of Faerun? Where can I buy that book? Never heard of it. :rolleyes:
locustechpriest 08-19-07, 06:06 PM	I don't know whether to take you seriously or not. Either way, read my last post, two above yours...
MerrikCale 08-19-07, 11:23 PM	Lord Karsus is referring to the notebook on this forum, founded and contributed to by him. The link can be found in his signature. I know. I read it all the time, but everytime he mentions it on another thread. I asked "the what?" or "what is Elves of Faerun?" or "when did WOTC publish that?" It annoys the heck out of him and I giggle like a schoolgirl
Lord Karsus 08-20-07, 09:15 AM	It annoys the heck out of him and I giggle like a schoolgirl -Laugh it up, furball. Don't boost his ego;) He's already full of hubris as it is:P -Don't listen to my counterpart here. He is, after all, insane.
MarkHall 08-20-07, 11:19 AM	Actually, that should have been a Telkiira, but would have had some sort of futzing with either by Mystra or in the creation of the Telkiira, that a non-elf could wear and use it... A little speculation: Kiira are the stones themselves, not bound by race. Telkiira (or, perhaps, tel-kiira) are those that are bound to the elves, the Tel-quessir. So, anyone, of any race, can use a kiira, but the tel-quessir are the only ones to use the tel-kiira.
Lord Karsus 08-20-07, 12:37 PM	A little speculation: Kiira are the stones themselves, not bound by race. Telkiira (or, perhaps, tel-kiira) are those that are bound to the elves, the Tel-quessir. So, anyone, of any race, can use a kiira, but the tel-quessir are the only ones to use the tel-kiira. -Tel is simply a word in Elven.
MarkHall 08-20-07, 01:58 PM	-Tel is simply a word in Elven. Actually, it seems to be a prefix... we see it used in Tel-quessir and telkiira. Unless Elves of Evermeet has what it actually means?
Lord Karsus 08-20-07, 03:06 PM	Actually, it seems to be a prefix... we see it used in Tel-quessir and telkiira. Unless Elves of Evermeet has what it actually means? -Tel means 'of the'. Thus, Teu'Tel'Quessir, or 'People of the Moon' (Moon Elves) and Teu'Tel'Kiira, or 'Stones of the Moon' (Moonstones), and so on. Elven Dictionary (http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/dagnirion/Elven.html)
Zarreth_Nessad 08-20-07, 04:25 PM	Telkiira (as it is presented in Lost Empires of Faerun) are specifically the stones made for (and generally by, it would be assumed) the noble elven houses, as the one in the Elminster series was, and it is supposed to mean something along the lines of "High Loregem". I was stating that under normal circumstances a Telkiira cannot be worn/used by anyone without Elven blood, thus in the Elminster series one would see something strange going on when Elminster, a full-blooded human, was able to use it. Something like his being a chosen of Mystra protecting him from the worst of it and the normal effects of just having it were still affecting him (effects that later were shown to be the same for an elf when Elminster transferred it to the heir). Kiira, on the other hand, don't have nearly the effect or power of the Telkiira, basically functioning as a unique spellbook that can be used by anyone. The effects described in the Elminster series of the House's Loregem were far beyond the effects of a normal Kiira.
selunatic2397 08-20-07, 04:53 PM	I seem to remember Elminster being urged by the Telkirra, or the dead elf's memories in the Telkirra, to polymorph himself into an elf ... because he was being messed with mentally by the fact that he was not an elf... After he did so, he seemed to be fine...although he was following the dead elf's memories/last wishes in getting revenge on some hated relative of the aforementioned dead elf... Are my memories of this book serving me truly...or falsely??? :confused:
MarkHall 08-20-07, 06:49 PM	-Tel means 'of the'. Thus, Teu'Tel'Quessir, or 'People of the Moon' (Moon Elves) and Teu'Tel'Kiira, or 'Stones of the Moon' (Moonstones), and so on. Elven Dictionary (http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/dagnirion/Elven.html) Thanks. Didn't have that link.
MerrikCale 08-20-07, 09:13 PM	-Laugh it up, furball. who told you about my back hair?
locustechpriest 08-20-07, 09:23 PM	who told you about my back hair? Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic. So, tell me you didn't name yourself after a certain spearwielding priest of Lurue.
MerrikCale 08-20-07, 10:50 PM	Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic. So, tell me you didn't name yourself after a certain spearwielding priest of Lurue. i did no such thing
Lord Karsus 08-21-07, 08:43 AM	Unless there is a Loregem in your back hair, (which my mind instinctively recoils from thinking about,) this is absurdly off-topic. -With him, get used to it. That's his modus operandi. ;) Thanks. Didn't have that link. -No problem. It's a fine dictionary, if I do say so myself. I was stating that under normal circumstances a Telkiira cannot be worn/used by anyone without Elven blood, thus in the Elminster series one would see something strange going on when Elminster, a full-blooded human, was able to use it. -It's a good thing Elminster has Elven blood in him, isn't it? ;)
MarkHall 08-21-07, 10:45 AM	-It's a good thing Elminster has Elven blood in him, isn't it? ;) Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?
Karsus the Mad 08-21-07, 11:10 AM	Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage? I think his grandsire, the Stag King, dallied with elven maidens. Even the Srinshee led the Stag King on a wild chase. I don't recall El having elven blood in him however. Khelben did tho'. Maybe LK is going senile again?
Lord Karsus 08-21-07, 11:12 AM	Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage? -Don't you know? Anybody who is anybody has Elven blood! -Anyway, 'scuse me. I was mixing up Khelben and Elminster again. ;)
Zarreth_Nessad 08-21-07, 09:41 PM	LOL Had me worried for a minute there.. thought I missed something significant about El. While it's being mentioned, the Elven Handbook you made, LK, is very good. I, for one, am glad to see it on the forums. Thanks to you and to those who have contributed to it.
MarkusTay63 08-25-07, 12:08 AM	Been a while since I read Making of Mage; where's the elf blood in his lineage?From Dragon Magazine #228, the Athalantan Campaign - King Uthgrael Aumar married Syndrel Hornweather, who seems to have been half-elven... <snip>Wed in 188 DR, they had seven sons, known to history as the warring Princes of Athalantar. Listed in order of Birth these were... <snip> Elthryn... <snip>In Heldon, Elthryn married a forester's daughter, Amrythale Goldsheaf, in 210 DR. They had one son, Elminster, born in 212 DR. So Elminster's paternal grandmother was half-Elven, making him only 1/8 Elven - but I suppose that is enough for the Kira-watsis. ;)
MarkHall 08-25-07, 12:55 AM	It's enough to make him a spellsinger, if he likes. But could he have become a bladesinger? :P
MarkusTay63 08-25-07, 12:58 AM	I heard he couldn't even hold a tune... :P
MarkHall 08-25-07, 01:11 AM	According to the FRCS, he can dance. ;-P
Zarreth_Nessad 08-25-07, 11:44 AM	1/8 would be enough for a Telkiira as a plot hook, that's for sure, but otherwise game-rules you have to be half-elven to qualify for "elven blood" related requirements, as far as I know. (See description of the half-elf character for details)
Lord Karsus 08-25-07, 05:59 PM	According to the FRCS, he can dance. ;-P -That's not all he can do. -And, it turns out I was right about Elminster, even though I didn't even realize it. Cryptomnesia...