Post/Author/DateTime	Post
18DELTA 09-25-07, 12:13 AM	The astral sea. The abyss is a scar on the plane of elemental tempest. Wtf I wonder how that is going to effect the realms? I guess the wheel is gone? What about the tree? I still used the wheel in my games. Wait and see:eek: :waits:
18DELTA 09-25-07, 01:13 AM	http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070924 Linky;)
Todesherr 09-25-07, 01:30 AM	http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20070924 Linky;) Well remotely interesting. I guess the Great Wheel is toast; too bad; I rather liked it. And...demons, regardless of type are just gibbering, frothfoaming engines of destruction! So all a super intelligent Balor can do is foam at the mouth and destroy things...and Grazzt...can foam at the mouth and destroy a few more things...retarded...:rolleyes:
MarkusTay63 09-25-07, 01:41 AM	I would think that the Wheel and Tree are merging into a more cohesive whole. Also, there is nothing in that article that I hadn't already figured out for myself. :rolleyes:
Todesherr 09-25-07, 01:43 AM	I would think that the Wheel and Tree are merging into a more cohesive whole. Also, there is nothing in that article that I hadn't already figured out for myself. :rolleyes: Of course you live on Long Island;) ....
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 01:57 AM	Core =/= the Realms, never been. if it is not said that X belong to the Realms, stuff don't belong/speak of the Realms. The Core is a sort of mini-setting, a 'demo' world for both world-making and rules.
MarkusTay63 09-25-07, 02:04 AM	At Gencon, they announced that they were moving toward a more cohesive whole with 4th edition D&D, and they wanted to eliminate the concept of 'core' vs 'FR' vs Eberron, etc... That means a unified set of rules for all settings... although I don't see how thats possible with Eberron. Then again, RL and Athas were part of the 2e 'multiverse', even though they were 'seperate' and 'closed' microcosms. Of course you live on Long Island;) ....Yes, I suppose it does have something to do with my environment... After all, toxic living does mutate our over-large brains... just before we all die of cancer. ;) <no joke, LI is the cancer capital of the world>
Todesherr 09-25-07, 02:11 AM	At Gencon, they announced that they were moving toward a more cohesive whole with 4th edition D&D, and they wanted to eliminate the concept of 'core' vs 'FR' vs Eberron, etc... That means a unified set of rules for all settings... although I don't see how thats possible with Eberron. Then again, RL and Athas were part of the 2e 'multiverse', even though they were 'seperate' and 'closed' microcosms. Yes, I suppose it does have something to do with my environment... After all, toxic living does mutate our over-large brains... just before we all die of cancer. ;) <no joke, LI is the cancer capital of the world> From An Adventurer's Guide to NYC and ITS Environs: Long Islander, n., pl. Long Islanders: an island dwelling people who make occasional raids and intrusions on and into New York City proper, though many denizens of this realm claim to be New Yorkers, this is in fact a lie propagated to accrue power and recognition beyond that they would normally receive. Lond Island, geographically is relatively close to the realm of NYC but does not resemble it in the slightest. The language they speak is characterised by a long pitched whininess, often accompanied by heavily nasalised vowels. Always approach such a denizen with caution and if possible bring a true NYCer with you before engaging them.
18DELTA 09-25-07, 02:24 AM	I am begining to think, one core to rule them all? Actually the article was on Devils & Demons, not the planes. I tripped out when I saw what was going on with the planes. Wed article will be on the planes according to Chris Thomasson blog today Well Devils & Demons do apply to the realms.Its not as bad as I thought.;)
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 02:28 AM	At Gencon, they announced that they were moving toward a more cohesive whole with 4th edition D&D, and they wanted to eliminate the concept of 'core' vs 'FR' vs Eberron, etc... That means a unified set of rules for all settings... although I don't see how thats possible with Eberron. Then again, RL and Athas were part of the 2e 'multiverse', even though they were 'seperate' and 'closed' microcosms. Yes, I suppose it does have something to do with my environment... After all, toxic living does mutate our over-large brains... just before we all die of cancer. ;) <no joke, LI is the cancer capital of the world> Maybe they means that Core is not even core anymore, but a world of it's own. and so not to be so leaning on FR. *shrugs* Do I make sense? Or maybe in the pack, the mini-setting, the demo, a way to make characters travel elsewhere, to link worlds! Do I make sense again?
Todesherr 09-25-07, 02:30 AM	Maybe they means that Core is not even core anymore, but a world of it's own. and so not to be so leaning on FR. *shrugs* Do I make sense? Or maybe in the pack, the mini-setting, the demo, a way to make characters travel elsewhere, to link worlds! Do I make sense again? Non et non, en fait, pas du tout....:uh-huh:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-25-07, 01:43 PM	And...demons, regardless of type are just gibbering, frothfoaming engines of destruction! So all a super intelligent Balor can do is foam at the mouth and destroy things...and Grazzt...can foam at the mouth and destroy a few more things...retarded...:rolleyes: Sounds pretty lame to me. Then again, I'm not overly fond of the new story behind devils, either.
Lord Karsus 09-25-07, 07:56 PM	From An Adventurer's Guide to NYC and ITS Environs: Long Islander, n., pl. Long Islanders: an island dwelling people who make occasional raids and intrusions on and into New York City proper, though many denizens of this realm claim to be New Yorkers, this is in fact a lie propagated to accrue power and recognition beyond that they would normally receive. Lond Island, geographically is relatively close to the realm of NYC but does not resemble it in the slightest. The language they speak is characterised by a long pitched whininess, often accompanied by heavily nasalised vowels. Always approach such a denizen with caution and if possible bring a true NYCer with you before engaging them. -So true, so true...:D
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 09:07 PM	Sounds pretty lame to me. Then again, I'm not overly fond of the new story behind devils, either. in any way, if it's not say 'in FR...' or something equivalent in an article, it is NOT about FR, and it do not apply. Remember the differences in Lolth between FR and GH?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-25-07, 09:26 PM	Who said I was talking only about the FR setting here? I dislike the new take on demons and devils...in any setting. And by the way, there's no reason to assume something doesn't apply to the Realms just because they haven't explicitly stated that it does.
godbeepit 09-25-07, 09:49 PM	Hmm... I've always looked at complaints whenever new things come out as simply just a natural human tendency to resist change. But, whatever. It really seems the same as it always has been to me... I mean, they may say 'Look at us, we're changing things' but it really doesn't seem to matter all that much. The old quote 'The rules are here for you to get mechanics. But, I'm not going to tell you how to play.'
SgtAnjay 09-26-07, 01:31 PM	in any way, if it's not say 'in FR...' or something equivalent in an article, it is NOT about FR, and it do not apply. Remember the differences in Lolth between FR and GH? Sorry, but that contradicts what WotC has said. If they're lying, or change their minds, fine. But barring any such evidence, I'm rather inclined to take their statements at face value. Moreover, all the backstory for the devils and demons is the same in FR as it is in Core. Devils and demons are multispheric. So if the backstory changes, and it apparently is, then the changes would translate to FR anyway.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-26-07, 03:09 PM	Right, it seems more likely to me that fiends are going to be basically the same in every setting, otherwise it gets confusing for everyone. Everyone would have to remember, for example, that the FR succubus is a demon, whereas any other succubus is a devil. WotC has stated or implied numerous times that they are trying to make things less confusing.
Shemeska the Marauder 09-26-07, 04:45 PM	I'll be in an expensive bar in Sigil, acting increasingly jaded if anyone needs me.
MarkusTay63 09-26-07, 05:00 PM	-So true, so true...:DI find that amusing, since I actually wrote some rules about this years ago. Everyone's IQ sarts out at 140, and you minus one IQ point for every mile you travel from the center of Long Island. :P I worked in Queens for awhile, and my job was to measure stuff all over the five burroughs. I can honestly say that the folks I worked with knew about ten actual english words, and they drooled a lot. I felt like I was in a really bad gangster movie. :incog: However, most sentences were liberally sprinled with dozens of profanities to fill in for all the words they didn't know. :eek: Even when I worked in the wealthy Jewish neighborhoods, they tended to talk in yiddish/Hebrew. BTW, I worked with a few black guys, And most folks DO know what a svatza is. ;) Or a Goyim.... :bored:
Alediran 09-27-07, 07:47 PM	I'll be in an expensive bar in Sigil, acting increasingly jaded if anyone needs me. If you don't mind, I'll go with you, after all, it seems that there is no place in the realms for sun elf mages.
GothicDan 09-28-07, 08:42 PM	One Sun Elven Guvner High Mage, coming up. I'd totally rule the Elven neighborhood in Sigil. You watch me.
SgtAnjay 09-29-07, 06:00 PM	I'll be over in the World Serpent myself. Wander around a little bit. Though I may well end up in a Sigil tavern that way, so who knows...