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Sith_Lord_V 10-07-07, 11:11 AM	OK, so the weave collapses. Um, then how do magic items survive ? Barring some wierd explanation, perhaps such as each item contains its own " weave ", which would be lame, shouldn't all magic items cease to function ? Also, what about the Gods ? How could even Greater Gods survive this, when Mystra could deny them access to the weave and make even Cyric not be able to use his Godly Powers ? Shouldn't even the Gods become powerless if the weave is gone, since they clearly depend on it tremendously ? Just some thoughts.....
Lykor 10-07-07, 02:47 PM	They will most likely go to a non-weave magic system, like pretty much every other setting out there. While magic (as a system) doesn't necessarily need anything other than "it's magic!" to work, the Weave definately set FR apart from 90% of the other magic systems out there. It's a shame to see it go away.
Suin Bahhar 10-07-07, 03:09 PM	Agreed. Extraplanar magic items that were created without the weave didnt cease to work when taken to Toril, so maybe the reverse can also be true. Magic items created on Toril perhaps have already expended their use of the weave on creation and are constantly enchanted from there on after. If the weave pops the enchantments DO remain. Hmmm... I hope WotC uses something like this because something else would just cause a bigger problem for existing campaigns.
Sith_Lord_V 10-08-07, 08:17 AM	Agreed. Extraplanar magic items that were created without the weave didnt cease to work when taken to Toril, so maybe the reverse can also be true. Magic items created on Toril perhaps have already expended their use of the weave on creation and are constantly enchanted from there on after. If the weave pops the enchantments DO remain. Hmmm... I hope WotC uses something like this because something else would just cause a bigger problem for existing campaigns. I get where you're going with this, and it is a good idea, BUT, then how do you explain that magic items no longer function the way they did ? So, the Weave collapses, magic fails, Spellplague all around....but now my items still work, just totally different from what they did before ? WTF ? This is another area where I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed....
Suin Bahhar 10-08-07, 09:31 AM	Hold on there. We dont know magic itself will fail when the spellplague hits, if the spells go wild or explode in the faces of casters. Similarly we dont know yet if magic items are to be revised dratically from the 3.5 incarnations. Expect the worst, it can only make the actual change less impactfull.
Eloc 10-08-07, 05:38 PM	OK, so the weave collapses. Um, then how do magic items survive ? Barring some wierd explanation, perhaps such as each item contains its own " weave ", which would be lame, shouldn't all magic items cease to function ? Also, what about the Gods ? How could even Greater Gods survive this, when Mystra could deny them access to the weave and make even Cyric not be able to use his Godly Powers ? Shouldn't even the Gods become powerless if the weave is gone, since they clearly depend on it tremendously ? Just some thoughts..... Two Words: MASS EXTINCTION. The Powers-that-be have pretty much indicated some event beyound the Gods will alter the very nature of magic itself to such a degree that Mystra either a) doesnt see it coming or b) her efforts to prevent it fail. Either way, all DND campaigns moving to 4e face an event similar to Earth's KT Boundary effect -65 million years ago in which some 90% of the existing species SHOULD die; including -ALL- Immortals, magical beasts/items, Undead, et al cease to exist because of their dependence upon the existing magical system. (As a side-note, it also justifies why conversion rules wont be available/neccessary: there simply isnt anything left to convert! :) It also accomplishes the second goal of eliminating all but a handful of gods - whose sheer volume of worshippers ensured them at least a bare minimal suvival.) Which is perhaps a reason for the 100yr time gap in the calendar ... because the surving humans/mundane life need the intervening century to salvage what they can from the glorious ruins of the past. Those fortunate enough to be caught offworld -might- survive since local natural laws take precidence over magic. For instance Beastland natives would survive while all their counterparts elsewhere die off. Of course everyone is trapped on their current planes until someone discovers a new method of breaching the planar boundaries to promote trade/travel - explaining why tieflings become a core race while others die off.
Dimensional_Drifter 10-08-07, 05:45 PM	I do wonder how everything magic will work (or not) after this. When Cyric was barred from the weave was one example of what might happen, unless WotC can write something that ignores or goes around that. There still will be magic somehow, but it will be different. I do wonder how they will explain that.
GoldDragon 11-10-07, 02:22 PM	OK, so the weave collapses. Um, then how do magic items survive ? Barring some wierd explanation, perhaps such as each item contains its own " weave ", which would be lame, shouldn't all magic items cease to function ? Also, what about the Gods ? How could even Greater Gods survive this, when Mystra could deny them access to the weave and make even Cyric not be able to use his Godly Powers ? Shouldn't even the Gods become powerless if the weave is gone, since they clearly depend on it tremendously ? Just some thoughts..... Well, Nethrilian Artifacts, High Elvish Magic Artifacts, and other Pre-Weave Magic still Funtions, and during the Time of Trouble the Mages were without power but didn't Eliminster go to his Tower to fetch Magic Items that DID work when the Weave was down? The Weave is a Interface for the "Ether" that limits how magic can be used in the Forgotten Realms and how the native Mages accesses that magic. Magic Items have their magic in them to be expended for later Native Torillian Mages that have never gone Plane hopping may have never have had to learn alternative Spell Memorization and casting outside of Forgoten Realms, so they will have to scramble to Relearn how to tap the "ether" directly Sorcerers might, on the other hand feel no difference as Magic flows through their being like a water through a river and it doesn't matter if it it comes directly from a raging river of the "Ether" or through a dam like Mystra\Weave Lastly, Any Mage that has spells memorized when the Weave Collapses shouldn't loose the spell in Memory as, like a magic Device, the Spell Energy Pattern is in the Wizard and will cast as normal....however there is no ability to re-memorized the cast Spell or study new ones after that