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johnkretzer 09-23-07, 12:09 PM	I read about it...and it just seems a very dumb thing for Eilistraee to do. But I don't know exactly what it is as I don't read the novels anymore as I have more limited time and would perfer to read other books with that time. So can anybody fill me in?
Xaean 09-23-07, 05:17 PM	A game similar to chess played by dark elves.
Old Sage 09-23-07, 08:25 PM	Pharaun does, briefly, go over the particulars of the game in Dissolution, as I recall. The details are located on pgs. 47 and 48 of the hardcover.
johnkretzer 09-23-07, 10:17 PM	Pharaun does, briefly, go over the particulars of the game in Dissolution, as I recall. The details are located on pgs. 47 and 48 of the hardcover. grumble grumble I'll have to buy this seris won't I?
Old Sage 09-23-07, 11:01 PM	Not unless you want to read through the series itself. I'd summarise the details, however, my copy of Dissolution isn't anywhere near me at the moment. Perhaps someone else would provide a summary of the details for you.
catsclaw 09-24-07, 06:27 PM	Not unless you want to read through the series itself. I'd summarise the details, however, my copy of Dissolution isn't anywhere near me at the moment.You should think of it like chess. Pieces mentioned are Matron Mother, Warrior, Wizard, Priestess, and Slave. To appeal to the drow's love of chaos, there is also a set of dice. On your turn, you can choose to forgo your move, instead rolling the dice. If you get matched spiders, you can immediate move one of your opponent's pieces to capture one of your opponent's pieces. This simulates the fratricide (sororicide?) common to the noble houses.
johnkretzer 09-24-07, 07:57 PM	um..did the game end or os still going? Also why would she play this game. To the death? I mean why such a desparate move?
Arbourean 09-24-07, 10:05 PM	Their game has been played since they were banished, it's only recently that the stakes has been risen to winner take all.
The Ubbergeek 09-24-07, 11:28 PM	You know, gambling and such hard gaming always was a part of our tales... Be it poker, sabac, sava, mahjong, etc.... Even the gods bet much on the tables... Yugioh was about this; under the pokemonish side, a remember of the appeals to Lady luck, the sacrality of the ludic act...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-25-07, 01:36 PM	um..did the game end or os still going? Also why would she play this game. To the death? I mean why such a desparate move? Because WotC wants to whittle down the FR pantheons a bit. That's the real reason.
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 01:41 PM	Because WotC wants to whittle down the FR pantheons a bit. That's the real reason. because in game lore show that one day, it WOULD come down to that... One day, Lolth and cie will clash.... It's inescapable, in a cosmic scale of time...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-25-07, 01:43 PM	And your point is...?
johnkretzer 09-25-07, 04:00 PM	because in game lore show that one day, it WOULD come down to that... One day, Lolth and cie will clash.... It's inescapable, in a cosmic scale of time... Yeah but over a game made by Lolth worshipping Drow? I mean Eilistraee is not dumb.
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 05:09 PM	Yeah but over a game made by Lolth worshipping Drow? I mean Eilistraee is not dumb. I don't know Sava much, but she is a drow and chaotic too, so... *shrugs* I guess it was like a duel - 'I dare ye!'.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-25-07, 08:15 PM	Eilistraee did strike me as rather naive at times--not a good thing. In the prelude to the first part, at one point she exclaims "That's not fair!" at something Lolth does. Since when would she expect Lolth to be fair? There have been posts saying that novels shouldn't tell us too much about the gods (what they say, what they do, how they think) lest they come off like idiots, and I think there might be some truth to that.
The Ubbergeek 09-25-07, 09:04 PM	Eilistraee did strike me as rather naive at times--not a good thing. In the prelude to the first part, at one point she exclaims "That's not fair!" at something Lolth does. Since when would she expect Lolth to be fair? There have been posts saying that novels shouldn't tell us too much about the gods (what they say, what they do, how they think) lest they come off like idiots, and I think there might be some truth to that. perhaps they have some truth about their reservations toward the novels....
johnkretzer 09-26-07, 12:23 AM	Eilistraee did strike me as rather naive at times--not a good thing. In the prelude to the first part, at one point she exclaims "That's not fair!" at something Lolth does. Since when would she expect Lolth to be fair? There have been posts saying that novels shouldn't tell us too much about the gods (what they say, what they do, how they think) lest they come off like idiots, and I think there might be some truth to that. Yeah I think novel was a bad idea,,,novels describing what the gods did was even alot worse. I'll just add it to a list of things just doesn't happen in my Realms....sigh propably will include all of 4th ed FR at this point. I mean really is Eilistraee written as being that dumb? I am thinking I am real glad to be skipping those novels.
johnkretzer 09-26-07, 12:25 AM	I don't know Sava much, but she is a drow and chaotic too, so... *shrugs* I guess it was like a duel - 'I dare ye!'. Eilistraee volunteered herself to be banished by the Seladarine to be the shining light of good to try and draw the drow back to being good. She is going to throw this out because of a dare?!? Wow you really just don't get anything. I mean do you even read anything in the FRs?
Arbourean 09-26-07, 12:49 AM	It's a gamble, risking everything to redeem the drow, so yes it is all worthwhile. A dumb move on her part? Hardly, when you consider that Lolth has almost always won, and this is an excellent chance to win it all. It's literally putting everything into the pot and hoping for a lucky roll of the dice.
The Ubbergeek 09-26-07, 02:15 AM	As she said, it's not completly stupid... daring, truely chaotic and utherly risked, but.... If she win...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-26-07, 02:58 PM	I mean really is Eilistraee written as being that dumb? Probably not deliberately, but Eilis comes off to me as pretty naive, and very quick to gamble away the souls of her followers (if she loses, Lolth gets them).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-26-07, 03:00 PM	A dumb move on her part? Hardly, when you consider that Lolth has almost always won, and this is an excellent chance to win it all. I've read the first novel, and I'm in the process of reading the second. I can't say I understand why risking everything now is better than risking it some other time. That being said, the novels are quite good and entertaining. I would love them if they didn't introduce certain changes that I dislike (and I'm not just talking about Eilistraee here).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-26-07, 03:02 PM	A dumb move on her part? Hardly, when you consider that Lolth has almost always won, and this is an excellent chance to win it all. I've read the first novel, and I'm in the process of reading the second. I can't say I understand why risking everything now is better than risking it some other time. That being said, the novels are quite good and entertaining. I would love them if they didn't introduce certain changes that I dislike (and I'm not just talking about Eilistraee here). Those changes were ordered by WotC, of course, but the novels are what they are.
johnkretzer 09-26-07, 04:22 PM	It's a gamble, risking everything to redeem the drow, so yes it is all worthwhile. A dumb move on her part? Hardly, when you consider that Lolth has almost always won, and this is an excellent chance to win it all. It's literally putting everything into the pot and hoping for a lucky roll of the dice. And if she looses every Drow is doomed....I don't know considering what she gave up for them it seems to be reckless. Yes I know she is chaotic but chaotic doesn't mean devoid of responsiblility or sense. Shrug I'll read the books to get a better feel.