What is the difference in symbolism between the old symbol of Bane and the new one? [Archive] - Wizards Community

What is the difference in symbolism between the old symbol of Bane and the new one? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Todesherr
02-03-08, 09:01 AM http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/1997912993.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/Bane_symbol.jpg
Old Sage
02-03-08, 10:19 AM It's not something that's been explained officially.

One of my personal theories on this assumes that Bane's Return wasn't planned, and when Xvim had gathered enough of Bane's power and essence, it reached a critical mass and overwhelmed him. I can see Bane, after such an event, being a little different from what he was previously -- perhaps even existing as a merged being between both himself and what was left of Xvim.

His symbols and colour change to more closely match Xvim. That would also indicate more of a merge -- which, in my opinion, points to the theory I listed. Xvim's [ascended] symbol looked more like his dad's -- only with the hand sitting with the thumb facing the left, rather than the right like Bane's. And Xvim's symbols have always had eyes -- old and ascended.

Bane's new symbol has still got the black fist [facing the same way as his old symbol] and squeezing green rays. Xvim's symbols always had a green component to them -- in the form of those eyes on his symbols. Perhaps the green rays in the new Bane symbol could reflect Xvim's past existence with Bane -- maybe illustrating how Xvim was later replaced [or rather subsumed] by a resurrected Bane by the fact that his black fist is closing in on the green rays [that represent Xvim].

And we must not forget that Bane's old symbol had the black hand on a red field -- so Bane 2.0 is using Xvim's colors. The green mainly... though, as I said above, Bane's Hand is still the same in the new symbol as it was in the old -- just clutching rather than flat. Bane 2.0 is utilising Xvim's green.

If the "planned" resurrection of Bane explanation is used, then the Black Lord should have kept his old colours of red and black. The fact that he's using black and green suggests that some of Xvim remains... And that's another interesting thing: how much of a tyrant could Bane be if he couldn't even totally subsume his own son?

The more I think about this and the lore we do have, the more I tend to think that Bane's return was as much a surprise to him as it was to anyone else.

Though... Bane's Hand is squeezing the green rays -- and if we look at that from the "Bane-eventually-subsumes-Xvim" stand point, that image itself could suggest Bane is perhaps closing in around Xvim's remnants, or rather, slowly squeezing it out of existence [or rather again, completely consuming it].

It could be, if we assume Bane's Return was in fact an opportunity rather than something properly planned on Bane's behalf, that Bane's current image is transitory. Once Bane's completely consumes what remains of Xvim into his being... Bane's older symbol [or a new and reinvigorated symbol] may become apparent. Bane's resurrection then, will be properly complete.

It could also be that Bane's hand is clutching an object that is shining forth, despite his desire to contain it... Xvim perhaps. Sure, it's not appropriate for a god of tyranny, but it is an alternate interpretation. The aspect shining forth could represent also Freedom. Bane's squeezing or crushing it could suggest how tyranny is usually equated with the end of freedom.

If that's the case... then it's highly appropriate.
18DELTA
02-03-08, 11:11 AM -I smell a Heresy brewing in BANE'S CHURCH!!!:w00t: :plotting: :lightbulb :evillaugh :devil: :thinks: :smirk:

18DELTA:D
The Ubbergeek
02-03-08, 12:32 PM Philosophic explanation of the new symbol;

As he is the Eternal Dictator. destroyer of freedom and liberty, this symbol show the crushing of hope - a beacon of light in darkness. As old Sage say at the end of his post.

Notice that the old symbol is very far-right - kind of like the roman salute. And similarly, there, a symbol of far-left in real life for the new one, the fist. Dictatures.

Maybe the new symbol is merely (or first or mainly) to announce to the world "I will not be beaten this time! I WILL WIN AT THE END!".

A bravado in face of the forces of good and light.
Kenzuki
02-03-08, 11:09 PM In Heroes of Horror it says some of the followers of Xvim refused to accept that their god had been destroyed and replaced by his father. Some are in the Church of Bane while others are in other organizations trying to overthrow Bane and restore Xvim to power.
Lord Karsus
02-04-08, 12:28 AM -Hmm...Note that his previous symbol looks a little like the 'Sieg Heil' salute. Perhaps someone complained, or someone was uncomfortable with that?

-Anyway, the new symbol seems to reflect Bane's new 'more beastial' apprearence (See the cover of Faiths and Pantheons). Purple, 'taloned' hand, and all...

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Todesherr 02-03-08, 09:01 AM	http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/1997912993.jpg http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/Bane_symbol.jpg
Old Sage 02-03-08, 10:19 AM	It's not something that's been explained officially. One of my personal theories on this assumes that Bane's Return wasn't planned, and when Xvim had gathered enough of Bane's power and essence, it reached a critical mass and overwhelmed him. I can see Bane, after such an event, being a little different from what he was previously -- perhaps even existing as a merged being between both himself and what was left of Xvim. His symbols and colour change to more closely match Xvim. That would also indicate more of a merge -- which, in my opinion, points to the theory I listed. Xvim's [ascended] symbol looked more like his dad's -- only with the hand sitting with the thumb facing the left, rather than the right like Bane's. And Xvim's symbols have always had eyes -- old and ascended. Bane's new symbol has still got the black fist [facing the same way as his old symbol] and squeezing green rays. Xvim's symbols always had a green component to them -- in the form of those eyes on his symbols. Perhaps the green rays in the new Bane symbol could reflect Xvim's past existence with Bane -- maybe illustrating how Xvim was later replaced [or rather subsumed] by a resurrected Bane by the fact that his black fist is closing in on the green rays [that represent Xvim]. And we must not forget that Bane's old symbol had the black hand on a red field -- so Bane 2.0 is using Xvim's colors. The green mainly... though, as I said above, Bane's Hand is still the same in the new symbol as it was in the old -- just clutching rather than flat. Bane 2.0 is utilising Xvim's green. If the "planned" resurrection of Bane explanation is used, then the Black Lord should have kept his old colours of red and black. The fact that he's using black and green suggests that some of Xvim remains... And that's another interesting thing: how much of a tyrant could Bane be if he couldn't even totally subsume his own son? The more I think about this and the lore we do have, the more I tend to think that Bane's return was as much a surprise to him as it was to anyone else. Though... Bane's Hand is squeezing the green rays -- and if we look at that from the "Bane-eventually-subsumes-Xvim" stand point, that image itself could suggest Bane is perhaps closing in around Xvim's remnants, or rather, slowly squeezing it out of existence [or rather again, completely consuming it]. It could be, if we assume Bane's Return was in fact an opportunity rather than something properly planned on Bane's behalf, that Bane's current image is transitory. Once Bane's completely consumes what remains of Xvim into his being... Bane's older symbol [or a new and reinvigorated symbol] may become apparent. Bane's resurrection then, will be properly complete. It could also be that Bane's hand is clutching an object that is shining forth, despite his desire to contain it... Xvim perhaps. Sure, it's not appropriate for a god of tyranny, but it is an alternate interpretation. The aspect shining forth could represent also Freedom. Bane's squeezing or crushing it could suggest how tyranny is usually equated with the end of freedom. If that's the case... then it's highly appropriate.
18DELTA 02-03-08, 11:11 AM	-I smell a Heresy brewing in BANE'S CHURCH!!!:w00t: :plotting: :lightbulb :evillaugh :devil: :thinks: :smirk: 18DELTA:D
The Ubbergeek 02-03-08, 12:32 PM	Philosophic explanation of the new symbol; As he is the Eternal Dictator. destroyer of freedom and liberty, this symbol show the crushing of hope - a beacon of light in darkness. As old Sage say at the end of his post. Notice that the old symbol is very far-right - kind of like the roman salute. And similarly, there, a symbol of far-left in real life for the new one, the fist. Dictatures. Maybe the new symbol is merely (or first or mainly) to announce to the world "I will not be beaten this time! I WILL WIN AT THE END!". A bravado in face of the forces of good and light.
Kenzuki 02-03-08, 11:09 PM	In Heroes of Horror it says some of the followers of Xvim refused to accept that their god had been destroyed and replaced by his father. Some are in the Church of Bane while others are in other organizations trying to overthrow Bane and restore Xvim to power.
Lord Karsus 02-04-08, 12:28 AM	-Hmm...Note that his previous symbol looks a little like the 'Sieg Heil' salute. Perhaps someone complained, or someone was uncomfortable with that? -Anyway, the new symbol seems to reflect Bane's new 'more beastial' apprearence (See the cover of Faiths and Pantheons). Purple, 'taloned' hand, and all...