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Todesherr 03-19-08, 12:41 AM	Will Larloch survive? Having survived the cataclysm that resulted from the death of Mystryl, Larloch values the goddess of magic—and the Weave she protects—very highly. Probably the only thing that could draw him out of his studies would be an imminent threat to Mystra or the Weave. When the first Chosen of Mystra appeared, Larloch took note and spent many years observing and studying them very closely. When he was sure he understood correctly their purpose on Toril, he decided to never cross paths or interfere with them in any way. This should be considered in context, though. Larloch realizes that the destruction or malfunction of the Weave would mean the end of his research and the destruction of all he has accomplished in the last few millennia. He also receives many boons from Mystra—in exchange for disseminating many of his new discoveries, Mystra grants him great freedom in the research of mighty spells and the creation of powerful artifacts. In some ways the magic he works rivals that of ancient Netheril itself. (Note that two of the ten scrolls in his arcanis fundare were recieved directly from the Lady of Mysteries herself as a reward for completing an important task; they did not come from either of the original sets, though—Mystra crafted them personally.) Looks like one more fascinating character will be gone...
Bullet06320 03-19-08, 03:41 AM	If he survives, Probly looking for revenge. The work of centuries or more possibly ruined, I wouldnt want to be responsible for that
sfdragon 03-19-08, 04:03 AM	larloch is dead, he was dead long before the spell plague, he is undead, and will likely survive the plague, but he isnt the most powerful wizard on faerun either, iouluam is.
Stigger 03-19-08, 10:09 AM	Debatable really... as Ioulaum is mostly just a big, immobile brain sitting alone in a cave, so the power is rather pointless as far as I can tell... though I wouldn't be surprised if Larloch was out come 4e FR.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-19-08, 11:50 AM	Where is that text from?
Lord Karsus 03-19-08, 02:58 PM	-Of course he will survive. He survived when Mystryl died, didn't he? Mind you, he was, then, probably not as mighty as he is now, but still... -Of course, the designers can simply remove him, as he is a high level NPC. But, TECHNICALLY, he should survive. Liches still function in areas of Dead Magic (Lichlord), as do Wizards/Sorcerers.
Alediran 03-19-08, 03:09 PM	It would be interesting to know what is doing Larloch after the Spellplague. If he is unable to recover his research is probable that he starts some obscure organization to mess with Sharists and Cyricists.
Meldread 03-19-08, 07:29 PM	Heh, I have a theory of what might happen to Larloch. I'll post it here to see if I am right when 4E comes out. It goes something like this: After the Spellplague hits and the Weave starts to go crazy, there are a lot of ****** off epic level Wizards. Can you imagine? Suddenly, like Larloch, years of research and study going down the drain. They need someone to blame. Enter the Shades. They are weakened after the destruction of the Shadow Weave (it's not like Shar really cares about them). Like everyone else they are scrambling to find a new way of accessing magic. That's when Epic level Wizards, with more than just a little chip on their shoulder, start to come knocking. They attack the city of Shade, killing most of the Shade Princes. Enter Larloch. With years of research gone down the drain he decides to take what the Shades had, kills the Shades who won't serve him, and basically... eventually... turns into some type of Shade-Lich. Then throughout the following century he is instrumental in bringing back Netheril, and is the ruler of the nation. He is too important of an NPC and plot device (similar to Elminster and Drizzt) for them just to knock off. So they are likely to make him go this route, and turn him into a Shade-Lich, Emperor of Netheril or something similar. In other words - they'll find a way to fold him into the Netherese Empire somehow. If he isn't the ruler, he'll still likely become a Shade-Lich and part of the Netherese Empire.
Alleran 03-19-08, 08:24 PM	I recall a comment from Ed that basically said Larloch has amassed enough power to crack the world in half or something along those lines, but WotC will probably ignore Larloch for the most part, much like how they're ignoring other things in the setting. In any case, when the Spellplague hit, Larloch probably decided to take a few vampire girls and hit up Sigil's nightlife.
Lord Karsus 03-19-08, 09:42 PM	He is too important of an NPC and plot device (similar to Elminster and Drizzt) for them just to knock off. -This, I don't agree with. To the world, he is an important figure, yes, but as a casual fan who Larloch is, and odds are, they won't know. He isn't in the same "bracket" as the Elminsters, and the Drizzts, who have "Plot Protection Armor".
Meldread 03-20-08, 03:19 AM	Eh, you might be right, but I don't really see WotC writing him off. If nothing else, he'll remain the same. Although, like I said, since they are bringing Netheril back I see him playing a role.
Lord Karsus 03-20-08, 03:44 AM	Eh, you might be right, but I don't really see WotC writing him off. If nothing else, he'll remain the same. -Probably. There, but mostly ignored.
Krash 03-20-08, 08:53 AM	Will Larloch survive? Looks like one more fascinating character will be gone... The quote about Larloch you include in your post is from Wikipedia and written up by a fan. It is not 'official' lore and has as much value as your or my musings about Larloch. -- George Krashos
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-20-08, 11:05 AM	Yet another reason not to take FR lore on Wikipedia too seriously...
Lord Karsus 03-20-08, 11:51 AM	-Don't you just hate that?
Stigger 03-20-08, 03:38 PM	Hardly ever use Wiki, so, no, can't say I actually do hate it... Irritated is probably a better way of putting it for me...
MarkusTay63 03-20-08, 11:43 PM	Thats why, when I saw there wasn't a 'credit' attached to the Quote, I took it with a grain of salt. As for Wikipedia, I find it incredibly useful! I read what is written, but don't except it as canon. However, I now have a starting point of refernces to find the true canon information about whatever 'thing' I happen to look up. Suppose I run across a city name, and never heard of it (used to happen a lot) - I wiki it, and find where it is located, and then refer to the appropriate regional sourcebook(s). Don't dis Wiki too quickly - it may not have perfect info, but it will almost always point you to the 'good stuff'.
HVulpes 03-21-08, 10:35 AM	Quick thought: What is Larloch's knowledge and experience with magic gives him the edge to know how to use magic without the Weave? What if he catches on to the path of the new magic quickly, which allows him to adapt his past works to this modern world? I figure he must have a few experiments on the nature of magic without the Weave. I can see him dropping the information on how to adapt to the post-spellplague world to wizards, both new and old, sane and insane. As long as no one knows it was him doing this. Why you may ask? In exchange for this knowledge, he gains access to the information these wizards collect for his own use. Just thinking...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-23-08, 09:18 PM	-Don't you just hate that? Yes I do, because I have a habit of using Wikipedia. It can be helpful!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-23-08, 09:19 PM	I can see him dropping the information on how to adapt to the post-spellplague world to wizards, both new and old, sane and insane. As long as no one knows it was him doing this. Why you may ask? In exchange for this knowledge, he gains access to the information these wizards collect for his own use. Sounds like something a clever wizard might do.
Lord Karsus 03-23-08, 10:15 PM	-You know, I just realized this thread is fundamentally flawed. I am the most powerful Wizard on Faerûn.
TheDarkestOfAngels 03-25-08, 09:13 PM	-You know, I just realized this thread is fundamentally flawed. I am the most powerful Wizard on Faerûn. Sounds like you need to brush up on your divinations, then, if it took you this long to realize that. :D
selunatic2397 03-25-08, 09:20 PM	-You know, I just realized this thread is fundamentally flawed. I am the most powerful Wizard on Faerûn. All Hail Lord Karsus! :)
Lord Karsus 03-25-08, 10:23 PM	Sounds like you need to brush up on your divinations, then, if it took you this long to realize that. :D -I wasn't paying attention. I, apparently, was blinded by my own hubris, or some such. All Hail Lord Karsus! :) -Indeed.
Morholdt 03-25-08, 10:50 PM	In the Anauroch: Empire of Shade, a Sarrukh lich is introduced. (I forget his name). It is said that he was the one who first offered the Netherese The Golden Skins of the World Serpent. Would he not be the greatest wizard in the realms?
selunatic2397 03-25-08, 11:17 PM	In the Anauroch: Empire of Shade, a Sarrukh lich is introduced. (I forget his name). It is said that he was the one who first offered the Netherese The Golden Skins of the World Serpent. Would he not be the greatest wizard in the realms? I think the the terraseer [the sarrukh lich] was actually just one of a bunch of sarrukh liches that took turns being awake to prolong their unlife, and keep tabs on the world. I do not know what the levels of the others were, or if he was a higher level mage than the rest.
Lord Karsus 03-26-08, 12:56 AM	Would he not be the greatest wizard in the realms? -No. Would the messenger who gives the king the peace treaty from the other king, causing war to end, be the greatest diplomat? I think the the terraseer [the sarrukh lich] was actually just one of a bunch of sarrukh liches that took turns being awake to prolong their unlife, and keep tabs on the world. -Those would be the Sarrukh Liches of Orome. Off the top of my head, there were sixty, I believe, with the Terraseer being one of the sixty. As he was awake during when Netheril existed, he considered the Netherese society his little "experiment". If I am not mistaken again, either Serpent Kingdoms, or Lost Empires of Faerûn mentioned that it was the Terraseer's time to wake from his hibernation- which, seemingly, is going to coincide with the "rebirth" of Netheril...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-26-08, 08:51 PM	In the Anauroch: Empire of Shade, a Sarrukh lich is introduced. (I forget his name). It is said that he was the one who first offered the Netherese The Golden Skins of the World Serpent. Would he not be the greatest wizard in the realms? Why would he be?
HVulpes 03-26-08, 10:09 PM	This brings up the question: Is Larloch the most powerful wizard or just the most powerful that Ed has revealed for the moment? For all we know there could be a superwizard which Ed is currently hiding from us? Thoughts?
Morholdt 03-26-08, 11:42 PM	Originally Posted by Morholdt Would he not be the greatest wizard in the realms? -No. Would the messenger who gives the king the peace treaty from the other king, causing war to end, be the greatest diplomat? Why would he be? Just an assumption on my part based on the idea that: 1) he had mastered the scrolls before he passed them on 2) the sarruhk imprisoned the phaerimm and the phaerimm have proved stronger than the shades 3) he has lived far longer as a wizard than the rest of the candidates. Admittedly, this is an assumption, but one which is not an unreasonable one.
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 12:29 AM	This brings up the question: Is Larloch the most powerful wizard or just the most powerful that Ed has revealed for the moment? For all we know there could be a superwizard which Ed is currently hiding from us? Thoughts? -Of course this is 100% possible. If any designer wanted to, he/she could include such a character in their next novel/sourcebook/adventure/article, and that's that. -Remember, beings like this want as little attention as possible. It's entirely plausible that a being even more in tune with the Arcane exists, and has been able to shield his identity, and even existence, from most. Just an assumption on my part based on the idea that: 1) he had mastered the scrolls before he passed them on 2) the sarruhk imprisoned the phaerimm and the phaerimm have proved stronger than the shades 3) he has lived far longer as a wizard than the rest of the candidates. Admittedly, this is an assumption, but one which is not an unreasonable one. -No, it's not unreasonable. However: 1) As have other beings, some of whom can be considered in the question "The most powerful Wizard on Faerûn", and some who really shouldn't. 2) As did the Sharn- Should they be considered in this exclusive club? And, concerning this, we don't know (I don't believe) the exact details of how the Terraseer was involved with this, if he was at all. 3) This is the byproduct of being a race that is long-lived to begin with and a Lich. While it often does, age bears no correlation to relative power. Karsus, as a child, wielded more magic than many adults. -I'm not attacking your opinions, but instead, providing some counterpoint.
Morholdt 03-27-08, 01:39 AM	Never fear. I am not offendable (is that a word?), certainly not by someone answering a question I asked. As for whether Sharns should be in the running, I don't see why not if they qualify as uber-wizards. I suppose some place all of these wizards are stated out and one can simply consult their level, but where one would find such things is beyond me. Of course, if all the Netherese uber-wizards that are still alive today got together and had a parade ... well, sufficed to say for a supposedly extinct race, there are sure a lot of them still kicking about - and not all are liches. Writers have created so many of them, bringing back the Netherese empire was almost inevitable. Who is the strongest? Hard to say.And that's just one of the many ancient empires. Let's just say it Azuth and leave it at that. :)
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 01:50 AM	As for whether Sharns should be in the running, I don't see why not if they qualify as uber-wizards. I suppose some place all of these wizards are stated out and one can simply consult their level, but where one would find such things is beyond me. -The stats of various NPCs from 1e and 2e can be found here: http://home.rochester.rr.com/kuje/ Who is the strongest? Hard to say.And that's just one of the many ancient empires. Let's just say it Azuth and leave it at that. :) -I'd kick his ass...
Stigger 03-27-08, 03:46 AM	Though its debatable if deities actually have a posterior to kick...
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 04:24 AM	Though its debatable if deities actually have a posterior to kick... -His avatar, then, if that makes you happier. That, indeed, does have an ass that can be physically kicked.
Alediran 03-27-08, 09:25 AM	-His avatar, then, if that makes you happier. That, indeed, does have an ass that can be physically kicked. Not if he switches his butt for his brain.
Bonzai 03-27-08, 10:55 AM	Here's what I was thinking... As a Lich he will survive. He's had to re-learn magic before, and he will do it again. Infact, the death of Mystra and the destruction of the weave brings about an interesting side effect... No more Mystra's Ban! We already know that they are planning to have classes go to 30 lvls, and that means we are probably going to see 10th level spells and higher. Without the Ban, and artificial limits to their power, the surviving arcanists will be able to bring about a minor Netherese renaissance. Perhaps he even gets his enclave working again. Same for that other one... the fat lich. Do I think that they will join up with Shade? No. Netheril wans't a united nation. It was more like a confederation of fuedal city states. Each was independant and governed it's self. I doubt Larloch or Telemont would really want to share power with each other. More likley they will find people they think are "worthy", Halrula perhaps, and take them under their wing, creating their own enclaves.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 03-27-08, 11:02 AM	--Remember, beings like this want as little attention as possible. It's entirely plausible that a being even more in tune with the Arcane exists, and has been able to shield his identity, and even existence, from most. Even from Ed Greenwood.;)
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 02:26 PM	Not if he switches his butt for his brain. -No matter where it's located, it'd still be physcally there for me to kick. Infact, the death of Mystra and the destruction of the weave brings about an interesting side effect... No more Mystra's Ban! We already know that they are planning to have classes go to 30 lvls, and that means we are probably going to see 10th level spells and higher. Without the Ban, and artificial limits to their power, the surviving arcanists will be able to bring about a minor Netherese renaissance. -As I understand it, there are going to be 30 character classes, and 30 spell levels, one for every level. Thus, it'll be possible to cast 30th Level spells. That said, a 30th Level spell is going to be the equivalent, more or less, of a 9th Level spell, in terms of power and what it can do. So, even though there are going to be 30th Level spells being flung around, they are not going to compare to the 10th, 11th, and 12th Level "True Dweomer" spells of old. Even from Ed Greenwood.;) -Sure. When John Doe, the newest author decides to do something like that in his next novel, without Ed Greenwood knowing anything about it, there you go.
Stigger 03-27-08, 06:08 PM	I've a suspicion that even the old Epic Spells from 3e aren't going to make the cut in any recognizable fashion. Though one thing that has me worried about wizard spells is the concept of the spellbook... and spell research. Not sure how, or even if, that's going to be worked into 4e.
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 07:55 PM	Though one thing that has me worried about wizard spells is the concept of the spellbook... and spell research. Not sure how, or even if, that's going to be worked into 4e. :: Shrug :: -I'm not even sure if Wizards even use spellbooks anymore...
Morholdt 03-27-08, 08:06 PM	I'm almost 100% certain I saw somewhere (a dev's blog or somesuch) that the spellbook remains. It is one of those things they figured was a sacred cow that couldn't be slaughtered. How it will work, or if it will be reduced to flavour like 3rd edition components remains to be seen.
Lord Karsus 03-27-08, 08:18 PM	I'm almost 100% certain I saw somewhere (a dev's blog or somesuch) that the spellbook remains. -That's good...I guess. What'd be worse? Having spellbooks eliminated from the game, period, or seeing them altered to something silly, as wands, "orbs" and staves have?
Vulpes 03-28-08, 12:56 AM	As a Lich he will survive. He's had to re-learn magic before, and he will do it again. I imagine Larloch giving a hearty sigh to the Spellplague. "Well, Mystra died, changing magic forever. AGAIN. Ho-hum. Oh, well, back to work..."
Stigger 03-28-08, 02:09 AM	I rather like the wand/stave/orb idea myself... not too sure how their going to incorporate spellbooks from what I've seen of 4e arcane casting. Could be for the 'ritual' thing perhaps, but I suspect we're going to be largely screwed with the research aspect in a lot of ways.
Lord Karsus 03-28-08, 02:13 AM	I rather like the wand/stave/orb idea myself... -My problem is: How do you rectify that with what exists now? Wands suddenly manipulate/alter ray spells, so that they, say, go further, or whatever it was that wands do. -My Wand of Web, let's say...What good does it do now? What the hell does it do, now?
Stigger 03-28-08, 02:31 AM	I don't see why the two have to be mutually exclusive to be honest. I tend to think of them more as Universal Spell Component things, rather than the classic wands and staves of item lore.
Meldread 03-28-08, 08:36 AM	I imagine Larloch giving a hearty sigh to the Spellplague. "Well, Mystra died, changing magic forever. AGAIN. Ho-hum. Oh, well, back to work..." :D Actually that's more like, "Ho-hum. Mystra died... again. Big shock there. Stupid gods. Whose great idea was it for me to continue using the Weave for all my important spells?!" Seriously, though you would have thought after the first time he would have learned. 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, and prove that even Archwizards of vast intelligence are stupid.' :P
Lord Karsus 03-28-08, 11:27 AM	I don't see why the two have to be mutually exclusive to be honest. I tend to think of them more as Universal Spell Component things, rather than the classic wands and staves of item lore. -As far as I know, wands, as in my Wand of Web, don't exist anymore. Wands, now, modify spells, in some fashion. How is all of this going to be rectified with what we have now? That's what I mean? What's going to happen to my Wand of Web. It suddenly stops working, and suddenly begins modifying spells? Why? What happened to the magic inside? Blah, blah, blah...
Stigger 03-28-08, 04:03 PM	Well, in all honesty, given what they've been doing to major portions of Realmslore, I doubt we'll much like the explanation as to why yet another iconic bit of D&D tradition got 'nuked' so they could implement some 'sick & cool' new thingymabobber... so I doubt they're really worrying much about any sort of rectifications with older lore.
MarkusTay63 03-28-08, 06:50 PM	From what I understand, magic items will still continue to function the same way they did in the past. Its only spells that no longer work the same way. Some items, like wands, Rods, and Staves will also function as a 'focus', and give you certain benefits while casting through them. I don't think that this means their inherent abiltiies change, but I'm not sure on that one. You can still cast without those items, but you will be a much better caster (+ to lev?) when using one, so it behooves you to get one ASAP in 4e. Thats one of the 4e things I really like - I've been using a system of 'Spell Foci' for years, so this just makes my houserules official.
Lord Karsus 03-29-08, 12:12 AM	Well, in all honesty, given what they've been doing to major portions of Realmslore, I doubt we'll much like the explanation as to why yet another iconic bit of D&D tradition got 'nuked' so they could implement some 'sick & cool' new thingymabobber... so I doubt they're really worrying much about any sort of rectifications with older lore. -I know, I know...
Zsych 04-05-08, 05:59 PM	I think the Terasser is 35th level, vs. Karsus 41 wizard levels. Among other powerful characters... I remember that wizard who annihilated an island with a touch when some people thought to hold power over her by threatening to disrupt her spell. Don't know much beyond that though. As for Larloch, I think that any wizard suffers a percentage chance for just going insane from the spellplague. Still as a Netherese, and with the Netherese having been cited as the only wizards ever to have gained knowledge of the raw magic underlying the weave, I'd say that he has a better chance of mastering the new system of magic than most other people.
Lord Karsus 04-05-08, 10:28 PM	Still as a Netherese, and with the Netherese having been cited as the only wizards ever to have gained knowledge of the raw magic underlying the weave, I'd say that he has a better chance of mastering the new system of magic than most other people. -The Imaskari probably had some idea of awareness of "Raw Magic", as all of their Plane Hopping led them to places where the Weave did not exist, and magic worked (very subtly) differently.
rikkiwalker 04-06-08, 03:49 PM	Debatable really... as Ioulaum is mostly just a big, immobile brain sitting alone in a cave, so the power is rather pointless as far as I can tell... though I wouldn't be surprised if Larloch was out come 4e FR. The realms seem to be full of uber-powerful characters who do absolutly nothing with their power, so what does it matter who the most powerful being on the planet is?
Lord Karsus 04-06-08, 05:34 PM	The realms seem to be full of uber-powerful characters who do absolutly nothing with their power, so what does it matter who the most powerful being on the planet is? -Firstly, don't use the term 'über'. I'm sure you have no inkling as to how the term is correctly used. That irks me like nothing else. That said, the existence of powerful wizards on Faerûn, and the best among them, is the entire point of this discussion.
msatran 04-07-08, 04:14 AM	You really only need an 15th level Sarrukh Wizard to kill people anyway. Observe... I use my special ability to create colossal Extaaminar, who I permanently turn into little aerating, breathing spheres in my bag of holding with Polymorph Any Object. Then, using my standard action to dismiss my own spells, I fly over my enemies and bombard them with colossal Extaaminaar, who, should they survive the fall, will happily beat down my enemies for me, assuming any of them live. Add one extaaminaar per round.
Lord Karsus 04-07-08, 04:35 AM	You really only need an 15th level Sarrukh Wizard to kill people anyway. Observe... -All you need is a 1st Level Sarrukh, and a Kobold. Pun-Pun. :)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 04-07-08, 01:19 PM	The realms seem to be full of uber-powerful characters who do absolutly nothing with their power, so what does it matter who the most powerful being on the planet is? Who says powerful characters do nothing with their power? Where did you read that?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 04-07-08, 01:21 PM	-All you need is a 1st Level Sarrukh, and a Kobold. Pun-Pun. :) Not even that--most people would die easily (or at least be seriously injured) if inflicted with level 1 spells.:)
Lord Karsus 04-07-08, 02:32 PM	Not even that--most people would die easily (or at least be seriously injured) if inflicted with level 1 spells.:) -Technically, if by most people, we are talking of commoners, they can be seriously injured by a stray cat. I'm sure you are familiar with that debacle.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 04-07-08, 03:26 PM	Yeah, I get what you're saying.:)
Stigger 04-07-08, 04:00 PM	Well, with secondary infection, stray cats can be really dangerous little critters... :D
Lord Karsus 04-07-08, 04:52 PM	-Especially for those poor, poor commoners.
rikkiwalker 04-09-08, 10:34 PM	-Firstly, don't use the term 'über'. I'm sure you have no inkling as to how the term is correctly used. That irks me like nothing else. That said, the existence of powerful wizards on Faerûn, and the best among them, is the entire point of this discussion. I was using the word in the context that I have always heard it associated with ; uber meaning "super" or extremly powerful, or overpowered. So dont make assumptions about what I do and no not understand. I have been reading Forgotten Realms since Spellfire first came out back in the day when it was a fun and exciting world to read about, and the wizards like Elminster and The Simbul were fresh and interesting.
rikkiwalker 04-09-08, 10:37 PM	Who says powerful characters do nothing with their power? Where did you read that? Other then Rich Baker, who it seems a lot of people are burning in effigy right now, I cannot think of many authors or supplements where the high level characters do anything momentous.
Lord Karsus 04-10-08, 12:44 AM	I was using the word in the context that I have always heard it associated with ; uber meaning "super" or extremly powerful, or overpowered. -You've been using it incorrectly, then. I suggest you research it. So dont make assumptions about what I do and no not understand. I have been reading Forgotten Realms since Spellfire first came out back in the day when it was a fun and exciting world to read about, and the wizards like Elminster and The Simbul were fresh and interesting. -That's nice. That said, are you going to contribute to the discussion?
Stigger 04-10-08, 01:01 AM	Just translates to "over" as far as I'm aware... with a nod towards superiority on some level over whatever it is applied to. The degree of disparity doesn't have to be that great though... could even be relatively trivial as far as I understand it.
Lord Karsus 04-10-08, 01:18 AM	Just translates to "over" as far as I'm aware... with a nod towards superiority on some level over whatever it is applied to. -Correct, as well as something being excessive, intense and/or transcendant. It is both a prefix, and it's own word. It's most famous application is Nietzsche's Übermensch , the 'Overman'.
Stigger 04-10-08, 01:36 AM	Indeed, cute little madman that he was...
Zsych 04-10-08, 03:52 AM	Szass Tam to Larloch: What have you been doing lately? Larloch: I've spent the last several hundred years working on creating portals that will on top of providing travel, casually steal worthwhile items from the people using them. Szass Tam: Nice.... NOT!!!
Lord Karsus 04-10-08, 10:44 AM	Szass Tam to Larloch: What have you been doing lately? Larloch: I've spent the last several hundred years working on creating portals that will on top of providing travel, casually steal worthwhile items from the people using them. Szass Tam: Nice.... NOT!!! :: And then the Spellplague comes along :: Larloch: :censored: !
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 04-10-08, 12:08 PM	Other then Rich Baker, who it seems a lot of people are burning in effigy right now... You're somewhat behind the times, here. The anger flung in Rich Baker's direction has mostly died down. I cannot think of many authors or supplements where the high level characters do anything momentous. Number one, just because you can't think of any such instances does not mean they don't exist. Number two, I note that you use the qualifier "momentous". Just because one is not doing anything momentous does not mean one is not doing anything.
rikkiwalker 04-12-08, 10:41 AM	-You've been using it incorrectly, then. I suggest you research it. -That's nice. That said, are you going to contribute to the discussion? Ohhhhh I dont know if I feel up to contributing to your level....what with the big words you use and the vast knowledge you have displayed.......
Lord Karsus 04-12-08, 10:53 AM	Ohhhhh I dont know if I feel up to contributing to your level....what with the big words you use and the vast knowledge you have displayed....... -Okay, then don't contribute. No skin off of my nose.
Daenaan 04-19-08, 11:34 PM	...As a Lich he will survive. He's had to re-learn magic before, and he will do it again. Infact, the death of Mystra and the destruction of the weave brings about an interesting side effect... No more Mystra's Ban! We already know that they are planning to have classes go to 30 lvls, and that means we are probably going to see 10th level spells and higher. Without the Ban, and artificial limits to their power, the surviving arcanists will be able to bring about a minor Netherese renaissance. Perhaps he even gets his enclave working again. Same for that other one... the fat lich. ... The interesting thing about Mystra's ban (as I see it, anyway), is that it applied specifically to the Weave. Essentially, the Weave (or what we're supposed to believe about it now) was a means of "short-cutting" the access to raw magic. If that's to be believed, then it would imply that the Weave allowed quicker learning of magic, more efficient learning of magic, and perhaps even better power-use and moderation of magic. Spells with the Weave may have been essentially more efficient at tapping into the raw stuff of magic, but also far better at the use and direction of power. So spells with the Weave may be WAY more powerful than spells without the Weave, either in efficiency or raw energy. It's probably the case that spells at the level of 10+ (Epic) anything above 9th level in 3.5E are therefore equivalent to lvl 31 or higher in 4E, or perhaps not even possible unless one ascends to godhood through "standard ascension channels", whatever those may be. It may have been the Weave itself that allowed for Karsus to attempt what he did as a mortal... and without the Weave, not possible for mortals at all, Epic or otherwise. Just a theory.
Lord Karsus 04-20-08, 11:41 AM	It's probably the case that spells at the level of 10+ (Epic) in 3.5E... -Epic Magic, and True Dweomers (10+ Level Magic) are not the same, just so you know.
Daenaan 04-20-08, 02:02 PM	-Epic Magic, and True Dweomers (10+ Level Magic) are not the same, just so you know. I'm well aware of that. But for the sake of nitpick-correction, replace what I wrote with "anything above 9th level". In fact, I just did it. Happy?
Lord Karsus 04-20-08, 02:50 PM	I'm well aware of that. But for the sake of nitpick-correction, replace what I wrote with "anything above 9th level". In fact, I just did it. Happy? -Normally, I would be. But, because of the way you did that, yes. How did you do that, anyway? -Nevermind. ;)
Daenaan 04-20-08, 04:21 PM	-Normally, I would be. But, because of the way you did that, yes. How did you do that, anyway? -Nevermind. ;) I hate nitpicky BS... can we get back to the original thread topic now? :rolleyes:
XHereticX 04-20-08, 04:32 PM	:: And then the Spellplague comes along :: Larloch: :censored: ! Bah, he would probably flee to some other dimension and become a king there or something. Or maybe, he creates his own little demiplane and begins to subtly corrupt Faerun from there...mwahahahaha.:devil: Also to Daenaan:"Epic magic was more or less developed by Elven High Mages as an area where they can expand. While true 10+ Dweomers were first used by the Sarrukh and then the Nethernese (who learned this art from the Nether Scrolls), who mastered it and went in whole new directions with heavy magic and etc. Ask Karsus more, he knows a lot more about it than me.:D
Daenaan 04-20-08, 04:50 PM	Also to Daenaan:"Epic magic was more or less developed by Elven High Mages as an area where they can expand. While true 10+ Dweomers were first used by the Sarrukh and then the Nethernese (who learned this art from the Nether Scrolls), who mastered it and went in whole new directions with heavy magic and etc.... Oh Jebus-Fing-Ch-st on a Stick, I F-ing understand the bloody difference between 10th lv and Epic spells, I've played every bloody damn edition. Make a f-ing grammar error in a MINOR point, and people de-track just for the sake of f-ing nitpicking. GOD!
XHereticX 04-20-08, 04:57 PM	Oh Jebus-Fing-Ch-st on a Stick, I F-ing understand the bloody difference between 10th lv and Epic spells, I've played every bloody damn edition. Make a f-ing grammar error in a MINOR point, and people de-track just for the sake of f-ing nitpicking. GOD! Ahh, sorry, just thought you might have wanted clarification. That's the way this forum works though, sad to say. You have to be specific or people will fall over you like rabid wolves.
Daenaan 04-20-08, 05:07 PM	Ahh, sorry, just thought you might have wanted clarification. That's the way this forum works though, sad to say. You have to be specific or people will fall over you like rabid wolves. I specifically corrected the grammar error AFTER telling LK that I understood the difference, and was in fact well aware of the difference. So thanks very much.... for the misperception. :rolleyes: May we now go back to the topic?
XHereticX 04-20-08, 05:11 PM	I specifically corrected the grammar error AFTER telling LK that I understood the difference, and was in fact well aware of the difference. So thanks very much.... for the misperception. :rolleyes: May we now go back to the topic? Of course:)
Lord Karsus 04-20-08, 06:24 PM	-Now, now, Everyone play nice... -As for that theory, it seems correct to me. Without the Weave, Karsus never would have been able to cast Karsus' Avatar. Not only did that spell actually utilize the Weave directly, but asides for that, we know that mortals cannot safely access raw magic in Realmspace. That's why the Weave exists as a "weave" in the first place. It acts as a conduit for mortals to use magic safely. Accessing raw magic directly wouldn't work. -Look a Spellfire, the closest manifestation of raw magic that there is. These people literally "burn themselves out" after a while. And, that's only a manifestation of raw magic, and not the actual thing.
XHereticX 04-20-08, 07:57 PM	-Now, now, Everyone play nice... -As for that theory, it seems correct to me. Without the Weave, Karsus never would have been able to cast Karsus' Avatar. Not only did that spell actually utilize the Weave directly, but asides for that, we know that mortals cannot safely access raw magic in Realmspace. That's why the Weave exists as a "weave" in the first place. It acts as a conduit for mortals to use magic safely. Accessing raw magic directly wouldn't work. -Look a Spellfire, the closest manifestation of raw magic that there is. These people literally "burn themselves out" after a while. And, that's only a manifestation of raw magic, and not the actual thing. Hey Karsus, I was playing nice. I was doing nothing but apologizing and making smilies:) . Well, if your theory holds, then something had to of taken the place of the Weave in order to ensure some sort of arcane stability. My guess is that judging by the recent rebirth of elven power and extradimensional intrusions that The Feywild and The Shadowfell have sort of taken the place of the Weave and the Shadow Weave. This seems to be supported by the direction WoTC appears to be heading. Also, with Abeir and the recent abberation activity, the Far Realm is going to play a factor as well. Magic is going to be a lot of interesting and complex from now on as no one conduit seems to dominate. I think that multiple planes may come into play with Mystra's fall and this will greatly change the face of Faerunian magic.
Daenaan 04-20-08, 08:49 PM	-Now, now, Everyone play nice... You cause the problem in the first place, then take a patronizing parental tone of "play nice"? No. I'll need an apology.
XHereticX 04-20-08, 08:59 PM	You cause the problem in the first place, then take a patronizing parental tone of "play nice"? No. I'll need an apology. Fine, I'll say it again. I'm sorry. k? Now act like an adult and stop whining.
Daenaan 04-20-08, 09:06 PM	Fine, I'll say it again. I'm sorry. k? Now act like an adult and stop whining. Well, that's some "apology". However, I meant from Karsus (since I was replying to him, you thicko), not you.
XHereticX 04-20-08, 09:14 PM	Well, that's some "apology". However, I meant from Karsus (since I was replying to him, you thicko), not you. Alright, I'm sorry man. Just try not to take too much offense next time, I assume your a lot older and more mature than me correct? After all, you were being a little harsh there too and I didn't attack you.
Lord Karsus 04-20-08, 09:24 PM	Well, if your theory holds, then something had to of taken the place of the Weave in order to ensure some sort of arcane stability. -Were we still in the "Old Realms", this would be the case. But, according to the designers, there is no explanation why others can use magic even though the Weave no longer exists. Maybe there will be one, but odds are, given the tendency for "them" to forget/ignore/glass over certain details, maybe not. Also, with Abeir and the recent abberation activity, the Far Realm is going to play a factor as well. -How so? Has it even been confirmed that the Far Realm will still exist, in the new planar map? I know there's the Material Plane, the Astral Sea, the Shadowfell, the Feywild and the Elemental Chaos, but I've never heard of anything else. You cause the problem in the first place, then take a patronizing parental tone of "play nice"? No. I'll need an apology. -The closest you'll get is a smack. Take it or leave it.
FRBRAZIL 05-02-08, 02:30 AM	Knowing this stupid thing proposed as “4th Edition” makes as little move forward in the realms’ time (about 100 years, isn’t it?), I believe the mightiest person alive will be the Simbul ---or is she already dead and no one told me? I understand, she’s next to nothing compared to the other’s power, but she’s been described as really inclined to gather all available magic knowledge, and if one hundred years are enough to destroy transform the whole realms, including things believed to be almost sacred and de facto sacred, as the Weave and the Seldarine (as I could read around here), then why isn’t it up to Simbul, becoming the most powerful living person? I think it’s pretty acceptable that virtually any one could rise in power, not only because I am the one writing here, but because the whole change proposed by the 4ed makes away to major changes in the Realms’ cast of mighty people as well. And after all, one hundred years means nothing for a Sarrukh, but since the Realms looks day after day more like a human world, I wouldn’t dare to say it’s not enough time. By the way, I’m seeing what’s on WotC plans, it is, transform the Realms in a world like ours. If in the 3.0/3.5 eds. we had the magic of wizards, the villainy of demons and instigating dungeons, in the 4ed we will make these some kind of almost mythic phenomena in order to publish the 5ed, where we will be shooting with guns, riffles, dealing with our enemies through the phone and playing the nice ones in, well dunno, Irak, maybe? It’s not funny. I know. It’s just I really am worried about this 4ed. But well, you all may go back to the main subject. This is just my opinion and I had to post it, because it’s been a long time since I came here.
Lord Karsus 05-02-08, 11:47 AM	...(about 100 years, isn’t it?) -Yeah, about that. ...I believe the mightiest person alive will be the Simbul ---or is she already dead and no one told me? -I believe it has been stated that she is "missing", whatever that entails.
Stigger 05-02-08, 04:52 PM	Hopefully I'll open the door one day and find her offering to instruct me in a bit of magic if I'd just offer her a seat and a cup of coffee... :D