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Slavorian Nightrunner 01-22-08, 07:32 AM	okay im missing alot of info here about what is going on with 4e printing. i know they are getting rid of mystra, now they are taking out the elven pantheon? and the orc pantheon? have the writers and developers lost their sensses?????
Lord Karsus 01-22-08, 08:06 AM	-Richard Baker, in his 'Ask-the-Designer' thread, has stated that the designers want to make the pantheon smaller, and in giving an example, has cited that both Gruumsh and Talos are one-eyed deities of destruction, and that Sehanine Moonbow could be an aspect/different name of Selûne.
selunatic2397 01-22-08, 01:11 PM	Since Lolth is now an elven goddess of the new moon, does that mean that she was Shar all along? New Moon is No Moon. Shar is getting really boring lately...and 4ED is getting way too predictable :yuck:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-22-08, 01:30 PM	Since Lolth is now an elven goddess of the new moon, does that mean that she was Shar all along? New Moon is No Moon. It's there, we just can't see it.;)
Khaelieth 01-22-08, 01:34 PM	Since Lolth is now an elven goddess of the new moon, does that mean that she was Shar all along? New Moon is No Moon. Shar is getting really boring lately...and 4ED is getting way too predictable :yuck: What, what what!? When did this happen?! Well, I s'pose a ball of yarn might resemble the moon... But not the new moon... hmmm... I'm as confused a shell-shocked rabbit.
Lord Karsus 01-22-08, 01:45 PM	What, what what!? When did this happen?! -Something like, since Corellon Larethian has the Crescent Moon, Sehanine Moonbow has the Full Moon, Eilistraee has the Half-Moon, and Lolth has the New Moon. Something like that, though I'm not 100% with the Eilistraee part.
Storm_Silverhand 01-22-08, 05:12 PM	Heya, -Something like, since Corellon Larethian has the Crescent Moon, Sehanine Moonbow has the Full Moon, Eilistraee has the Half-Moon, and Lolth has the New Moon. Something like that, though I'm not 100% with the Eilistraee part. Eilistraee's symbol throughout each incarnation (2nd Ed: a sword imposed over a full moon, and 3rd Ed: a dancing naked drow female with a sword in front of a full moon), has had a full moon in it. However... (spoilers for the LP series) Once she killed and absorbed Vhaeraun, her full moon went half dark.
Lord Karsus 01-22-08, 05:23 PM	However... (spoilers for the LP series) Once she killed and absorbed Vhaeraun, her full moon went half dark. -That's what I was getting at. I wouldn't be surprised if her holy symbol changed to reflect that. Not that it matters much, if our fears are confirmed.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-22-08, 05:37 PM	I wouldn't be surprised if her holy symbol changed to reflect that. It did, in the novels. :-/
Lord Karsus 01-22-08, 06:00 PM	It did, in the novels. :-/ -OK, see, a detail I didn't even realize. What is it, now? A Masked Drow woman nude in front of a half-moon?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-22-08, 07:06 PM	-OK, see, a detail I didn't even realize. What is it, now? A Masked Drow woman nude in front of a half-moon? In the novels, the symbol that worshippers were mentioned to use was a half-moon (I think with a sword crossing it). Before Eilis absorbed Vhaeraun, the symbol mentioned in the novel was a full moon crossed by a sword. No mention (that I recall) of the nude drow dancer in front of it. :-/
GreenKnight 01-22-08, 07:14 PM	The day she killed her brother was the day the music died.
Khaelieth 01-22-08, 07:22 PM	So bye, bye miss American pie Took the chevy to the lêvée, but the lêvée was dry Don McLean version.
Lord Karsus 01-22-08, 08:05 PM	Don McLean version. -Weird Al, and msa's versions are both pretty good as well.
Storm_Silverhand 01-23-08, 01:41 AM	Heya, In the novels, the symbol that worshippers were mentioned to use was a half-moon (I think with a sword crossing it). Before Eilis absorbed Vhaeraun, the symbol mentioned in the novel was a full moon crossed by a sword. No mention (that I recall) of the nude drow dancer in front of it. :-/ The LP series seems to be using Eilistraee's old 2nd Edition holy symbol. Frankly, I prefer the 2nd Ed holy symbol because it was simpler and easier to depict using silver.
Lord Karsus 01-23-08, 07:04 AM	The LP series seems to be using Eilistraee's old 2nd Edition holy symbol. Frankly, I prefer the 2nd Ed holy symbol because it was simpler and easier to depict using silver. -That's something I always found funny. Some of these Holy Symbols are so elaborate...How are you supposed to capture all of that using wood and/or a metal?
Khaelieth 01-23-08, 07:07 AM	-That's something I always found funny. Some of these Holy Symbols are so elaborate...How are you supposed to capture all of that using wood and/or a metal? Shar's is easy enough!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-23-08, 10:06 AM	-That's something I always found funny. Some of these Holy Symbols are so elaborate...How are you supposed to capture all of that using wood and/or a metal? Good points. It makes sense to me that different people might have different variations on a god's symbol, as well.
MarkusTay63 01-23-08, 05:11 PM	Once she killed and absorbed Vhaeraun, her full moon went half dark.She should really learn to wipe better. :P
Storm_Silverhand 01-23-08, 05:16 PM	She should really learn to wipe better. :P :rolleyes: Or maybe use a wash cloth... At least she doesn't wear clothes, blood is so hard to wash off.
GreenKnight 01-23-08, 06:24 PM	-That's something I always found funny. Some of these Holy Symbols are so elaborate...How are you supposed to capture all of that using wood and/or a metal? There should really be a low-level Cleric ability called "Craft Holy Symbol" or something like that, which magically imprints the deities holy symbol on an appropriate object, as well as giving it the ability to boost ones ability to turn undead.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-23-08, 06:36 PM	And of course, some woodcarvers and metalsmiths are REALLY skilled, although you'd be paying for their expertise.
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 01-23-08, 08:17 PM	And THATS I love Torm's If you are wearing a gauntlet you have a holy symbol. Just imagine hoe "cool" and "awesome" my Paladin looks turning and undead in a Jedi-like pose :D
Kenzuki 01-23-08, 08:27 PM	And THATS I love Torm's If you are wearing a gauntlet you have a holy symbol. Just imagine hoe "cool" and "awesome" my Paladin looks turning and undead in a Jedi-like pose :D Helm's was like that too.....before that bastard Tyr killed him.
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 01-23-08, 08:39 PM	Ahh indeed
Lord Karsus 01-24-08, 12:11 AM	There should really be a low-level Cleric ability called "Craft Holy Symbol" or something like that, which magically imprints the deities holy symbol on an appropriate object, as well as giving it the ability to boost ones ability to turn undead. -Well, there is that low level spell, Create Object, or whatever it is. I guess that solves the question on how some of the more elaborate holy symbols are created.
ywhtptgtfo 01-24-08, 12:31 AM	Personally, the killing of Mystra itself is retarded. FFS, she just died some 20 years ago. Give her a break! By the way, what happened to Karsus the Mad? Is he quitting or something?
msatran 01-24-08, 12:41 PM	Karsus The Mad's story is available from Lord Karsus in private messaging.
ywhtptgtfo 01-24-08, 11:26 PM	Yeah, but I can't hack into your account and read your PM's.
Garidas 01-25-08, 03:35 AM	May I ask why are they getting rid of every deity in Faerún, are they gonna have only five left or what? They are killing gods of faerún = they are killing faerún.
Lord Karsus 01-25-08, 08:04 AM	Yeah, but I can't hack into your account and read your PM's. -He recieved a ban. May I ask why are they getting rid of every deity in Faerún, are they gonna have only five left or what? They are killing gods of faerún = they are killing faerún. -The reasoning is that they want to get rid of deities that they consider "extraneous". That is, the lesser and more obscure deities. They are doing this by mergeing many established deities together (Gruumsh & Talos, Sehanine Moonbow & Selûne are two possible mergers), and turning a great deal of these lesser deities into "divine saints", who are actually servants of the actual deities themselves. For example Red Knight might be a 'saint' of Tempus. Clerics who prey to Red Knight actually will be recieving spells from Tempus, not Red Knight. -I disagree with all of this, but there's nothing we can do to reverse it, so...
ywhtptgtfo 01-25-08, 03:47 PM	Why was Karsus the Mad banned? Please do tell! I used to read a lot of his posts. Did Shar trick the moderators into banning him?