Who or what were the lost gods? one of which [Archive] - Wizards Community

Who or what were the lost gods? one of which [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Todesherr
02-03-08, 08:56 AM had been slain by the Dead Three?
XHereticX
02-03-08, 12:44 PM Borem, former God of Anger.
Lord Karsus
02-04-08, 12:30 AM -They were:

Camnod the Unseen

Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud

Haask, the Voice of Hargut

Maram of the Great Spear

Tyranthraxus the Flamed One
Bullet06320
02-04-08, 12:50 AM -They were:

Camnod the Unseen

Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud

Haask, the Voice of Hargut

Maram of the Great Spear

Tyranthraxus the Flamed One

what source has info on them, it just gave me an idea.
A Rouge Ex-Priest of Bane trying to figure out how to raise them from the dead to get back at his former boss
Iakhovas
02-04-08, 09:28 AM The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut.
Old Sage
02-04-08, 10:44 AM There's a few tidbits in the timeline for the city of Westgate (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20010327d) that's included as part of the "web enhancement" for Cloak & Dagger.

Note also that there are 2 sets of Seven Lost Gods. The OLDER set includes Borem, Tyranthraxus, etc. Only five of that set are named.
Lord Karsus
02-04-08, 12:10 PM The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut.

-So, it seems that Haask, Voice of Hargut was a deity of terror, madness, plague and pestilance of some sort, then.
The Ubbergeek
02-04-08, 12:28 PM [QUOTETyranthraxus the Flamed One[/QUOTE]

What happened to him, exactly? I was looking in my games recently and I got a nostalgia trip with Pool of Radiance. Wonder if the evil spirit thingy is still 'alive'.

Or he was 'destroyed' after the Pool events?
Lord Karsus
02-04-08, 12:35 PM Tyranthraxus the Flamed One

Or he was 'destroyed' after the Pool events?

-Haven't heard or seen anything about him since. We can only assume he's gone for good...Until the next time he reappears. ;)
Kenzuki
02-04-08, 04:30 PM The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut.

That article rocked by sheer virtue of it giving more lore on the Dead Three. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul rock!
Fabius Maximus
02-05-08, 11:31 AM Thyranthraxus reared his ugly head again in 'Curse of the Azure Bonds'. What happened to him after that I don't know.
Lord Karsus
02-05-08, 01:57 PM Thyranthraxus reared his ugly head again in 'Curse of the Azure Bonds'. What happened to him after that I don't know.

-Wasn't that before Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor? If not, either way, he hasn't reappeared since the last time he was defeated.
Kenzuki
02-05-08, 07:17 PM There is actually a picture of Borem in the Grand History of the Realms. He looks pretty cool. Well for a giant made of mud anyway. I liked the little story that went along with it about Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul coming along and "saving the day". It almost paints them out to be heroes hehe. Imagine Bane the Hero!
Bullet06320
02-06-08, 05:03 AM There is actually a picture of Borem in the Grand History of the Realms. He looks pretty cool. Well for a giant made of mud anyway. I liked the little story that went along with it about Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul coming along and "saving the day". It almost paints them out to be heroes hehe. Imagine Bane the Hero!

They were hero's, at least to themselves
Fabius Maximus
02-06-08, 08:01 AM -Wasn't that before Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor? If not, either way, he hasn't reappeared since the last time he was defeated.
Yes, it was. But T. wasn't in the second PoR-game, as far as I know.
Lord Karsus
02-06-08, 12:17 PM Yes, it was. But T. wasn't in the second PoR-game, as far as I know.

-Thyranthraxus appears as the 'ultimate' villian in the novelization of Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor.
Fabius Maximus
02-07-08, 06:19 AM Ah, ok. The game is so bad, I didn't want to have anything to do with stuff related to it.
Lord Karsus
02-07-08, 04:02 PM Ah, ok. The game is so bad, I didn't want to have anything to do with stuff related to it.

-Never played it, so...
XHereticX
02-09-08, 11:12 AM Hmm, were these even gods, because Tyranthraxus just seemed like some sort of shapeshifting abberation to me.
Old Sage
02-09-08, 06:49 PM According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower.

Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten.
Kenzuki
02-09-08, 09:26 PM So they were just demigods then.
XHereticX
02-09-08, 09:43 PM According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower.

Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten.

I see, but Tyranthraxus didn't even seem to possess a demigod's power.
MarkusTay63
02-09-08, 11:25 PM First off, they probably were once far more powerful, back in primordial times, but without any new worshippers, they have become diminished, down to the level of demi-powers.

I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others.
XHereticX
02-09-08, 11:30 PM First off, they probably were once far more powerful, back in primordial times, but without any new worshippers, they have become diminished, down to the level of demi-powers.

I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others.

Unfortunatly ,she is as dead as dead can be (kind of hard to come back after Talona has you for afternoon tea).

I also repeat that the Tyranthraxus the shapechanger in the campaigns is nowhere near even a demipower in power.
18DELTA
02-10-08, 12:06 AM According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower.

Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten.
-That is just AWESOME!!!:cool: Maybe they are the "Lost Gods of Abeir"?;)

18DELTA:P
Lord Karsus
02-10-08, 12:12 AM -That is just AWESOME!!!:cool: Maybe they are the "Lost Gods of Abeir"?;)

18DELTA:P

-See This (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=966630) thread on some musings about that.
The Ubbergeek
02-10-08, 12:28 AM I also repeat that the Tyranthraxus the shapechanger in the campaigns is nowhere near even a demipower in power.

Maybe he degenerated beyond godhood, gaining a sort of undeath... not sure if it would be possible.

Or he was actually a Proxy, Planescape-style?
MarkusTay63
02-10-08, 12:37 AM I was thinking something along those lines as well, especially the one named "Haask the Voice of Hargut".

Perhaps these seven were just avatars of Far Realmsian powers that got 'trapped' here when Abeir was split off from Toril?

Maybe Hargut is one of the Lords of Madness?

Either way, you can't really judge the power level of a FR NPC by how it is represented in a video game, most especially a semi-divine one that is being statted as boss monster. :rolleyes:
MarkusTay63
02-10-08, 12:39 AM Maybe he degenerated beyond godhood, gaining a sort of undeath... not sure if it would be possible.Should be - Orcus was an undead god... or Demon lord... either way, that shouldn't have been possible, but it was.

Wouldn't Velsharoon also fall into that category? Although he was a Lich first, then a god (like Vecna and Mellifleur).
Old Sage
02-10-08, 10:25 AM I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others.Kiputytto was killed and absorbed by Talona. See the entry for "Talona" in Faiths & Avatars.

I'll note further that, in Ed's original "Down-to-Earth Divinity" from DRAGON #54, Talona is Kiputytto renamed.
ripvanwormer
02-10-08, 12:16 PM The booklet that came with the Pool of Radiance game had the following information:

Journal Entry 19:
A black bound tome written in a strange halting hand.

...and settled foremost in the half of Minor Courtiers were the lesser
powers: Maram of the Great Spear; Haask, Voice of Hargut; Tyranthraxus
the Flamed One; Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud; and Camnod the
Unseen. These too fell down and became servants of the great lord
Bane.

JOURNAL ENTRY 21:
A crumbling old book; one of a massive series.
"At this time there ruling the Twisted Ones was a powerful general
named Tyranthraxus. He strode before his armies cloaked in flame and
led the Riders out of the Waste. At his hand the kingdom of Barze was
conquered. Turning south he led his army to conquer the Horreb and the
Vane. Tyranthraxus was a cruel man and leveled all that he had taken,
murdering the princes of these lands. But the flame that surrounded him
consumed him, destroying his body. Freed of its shell, it flew among
the men of his army, lighting on each and claiming it. It was then when
Baron Schodt imprisoned Tyranthraxus in a vial of water which shone
like the light of day. This he sank in the watery depths of Lake
Longreach, defeating the armies Tyranthraxus had raised."

Ferran speaks: 'The city fell long ago to the unblessed creatures imbued with the might of a magical pool. Chief among these were Tyranthraxus, Edranka, and Torath. With their powers they rules and united all else, driving foward to destroy us all. The Sage Mendor worked hard to gather record of all these things, but they are lost now, his library overrun.'

Journal Entry 36:
Carefully prepared notes:

Note 4: He has fooled me. All this time he has called himself
Tyranthraxus the Flamed One. He exhibited his flame, and spoke of
deeds attributed to Tyranthraxus. But today, while he did not know I
was around, he revealed his true identity. He spoke into the great
pool in his lair, I think he spoke to lord Bane himself. And he
referred to himself as Maram. Maram, he of the great spear, is also a
servant of Bane.

Why would my leader use a false name? He hides his true identity from
the world, so that they do not research his past and discover his
weaknesses. What if he also hides his identity from his closest
advisors, so that they also cannot know his true abilities and
weaknesses. Anyone who attacked him, thinking to utilize the
weaknesses of Tyranthraxus, would be destroyed by the different powers
Maram of the Great Spear.

My research into Tyranthraxus is now useless. I must scour my records
for details concerning Maram of the Great Spear. I have much work to
do.
MarkusTay63
02-10-08, 12:16 PM Kiputytto was killed and absorbed by Talona. See the entry for "Talona" in Faiths & Avatars.

I'll note further that, in Ed's original "Down-to-Earth Divinity" from DRAGON #54, Talona is Kiputytto renamed.It would appear, then, that both were parts of the disease/sickness 'archtype', with Talona being Faerūnian in origin, and Kiputytto being an interloper.

There is some suggestion in sources that they had an ongoing struggle for many years, which culminated in the Stonelands region, where Talona finally won out over her 'celestial sibling' and absorbed her.

Since these 'Elder Lost Gods' appeared to be Faerūnian in origin, and perhaps primordial, then I suppose Kiputytto would not qualify.

I just like the idea of all the lost gods having 'gross' portfolios.

I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused:
XHereticX
02-10-08, 03:35 PM Hmm, I just got a new idea. Maybe the Lost Gods are all aspects of Ghaunadaur?

Though I am not sure if they are abberation or primordial in origin. If it is the latter, then I would assume they are just archomentals.
Lord Karsus
02-10-08, 03:58 PM I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused:

-Nope. Well, not as of now, anyway. The two might be 'merged' for 4e, who knows...

-Interesting research, rip. This confuses me, though, especially since I never played that game:

Note 4: He has fooled me. All this time he has called himself
Tyranthraxus the Flamed One. He exhibited his flame, and spoke of
deeds attributed to Tyranthraxus. But today, while he did not know I
was around, he revealed his true identity. He spoke into the great
pool in his lair, I think he spoke to lord Bane himself. And he
referred to himself as Maram. Maram, he of the great spear, is also a
servant of Bane.

Why would my leader use a false name? He hides his true identity from
the world, so that they do not research his past and discover his
weaknesses. What if he also hides his identity from his closest
advisors, so that they also cannot know his true abilities and
weaknesses. Anyone who attacked him, thinking to utilize the
weaknesses of Tyranthraxus, would be destroyed by the different powers
Maram of the Great Spear.

My research into Tyranthraxus is now useless. I must scour my records
for details concerning Maram of the Great Spear. I have much work to
do.

-So, Tyranthraxus and Maram are one entity now? Was whoever it was just using a fake name, as alluded to?
Old Sage
02-10-08, 08:35 PM I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused:You may have confused this with the details about Ghaunadaur assuming both of the aspects of the Faceless Lord and the otherwise unnamed Elder Elemental God [neither of the latter two powers is active in the Realms] within the crystal sphere of Realmspace.
ripvanwormer
02-12-08, 02:13 AM -So, Tyranthraxus and Maram are one entity now? Was whoever it was just using a fake name, as alluded to?

It sounds like the villain of the Pool of Radiance game was actually Maram disguising himself as Tyranthraxus and mimicking Tyranthraxus' powers without actually having any of Tyranthraxus' weaknesses. Who knows where the real Tyranthraxus was during all of this. Perhaps he was off somewhere disguising himself as Maram.

That is, if the in-character narrator was right. Perhaps he was Tyranthraxus after all, deliberately confusing the eavesdropper by pretending to speak to Bane.

It's interesting that this was hinted at and never mentioned again. I'm guessing it was a way to provide some wiggle room so that "Tyranthraxus" (actually Maram) could reappear after seemingly being defeated later on.
Meldread
02-12-08, 03:04 AM Frankly, I think Tyranthraxus has the potential to be an awesome addition to any game. However, ignoring what will happen in 4E I would love to see Tyranthraxus possess Szass Tam and for them to merge into one personality. Imagine: Szass Tam, the Flaming Lich, Ruler of All of Thay. Imagine the possibilities. :P

Boost Szass up to level 65 and watch the Simbul wet her bed. ;)

Szass Tam - The Flaming Lich King
Lord Karsus
02-12-08, 03:14 AM Szass Tam - The Flaming Lich King

-It'd be hard to say his name with the stereotypical 'flaming gay' lisp. ;)
Meldread
02-12-08, 03:33 AM Damn you, Karsus! Don't crush my idea of a flaming lich. :P

Szass Tam, the Blazing Lich King
Szass Tam, the Immortal Blaze
Szass Tam, the Conflagrant Lich
Szass Tam, the Ignited Lord of Thay

I looked up Tyranthraxus in the Villain's Lore Book (free download from the Wizard's site). It details his special powers and abilities and gives some background.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Todesherr 02-03-08, 08:56 AM	had been slain by the Dead Three?
XHereticX 02-03-08, 12:44 PM	Borem, former God of Anger.
Lord Karsus 02-04-08, 12:30 AM	-They were: Camnod the Unseen Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud Haask, the Voice of Hargut Maram of the Great Spear Tyranthraxus the Flamed One
Bullet06320 02-04-08, 12:50 AM	-They were: Camnod the Unseen Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud Haask, the Voice of Hargut Maram of the Great Spear Tyranthraxus the Flamed One what source has info on them, it just gave me an idea. A Rouge Ex-Priest of Bane trying to figure out how to raise them from the dead to get back at his former boss
Iakhovas 02-04-08, 09:28 AM	The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut.
Old Sage 02-04-08, 10:44 AM	There's a few tidbits in the timeline for the city of Westgate (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20010327d) that's included as part of the "web enhancement" for Cloak & Dagger. Note also that there are 2 sets of Seven Lost Gods. The OLDER set includes Borem, Tyranthraxus, etc. Only five of that set are named.
Lord Karsus 02-04-08, 12:10 PM	The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut. -So, it seems that Haask, Voice of Hargut was a deity of terror, madness, plague and pestilance of some sort, then.
The Ubbergeek 02-04-08, 12:28 PM	[QUOTETyranthraxus the Flamed One[/QUOTE] What happened to him, exactly? I was looking in my games recently and I got a nostalgia trip with Pool of Radiance. Wonder if the evil spirit thingy is still 'alive'. Or he was 'destroyed' after the Pool events?
Lord Karsus 02-04-08, 12:35 PM	Tyranthraxus the Flamed One Or he was 'destroyed' after the Pool events? -Haven't heard or seen anything about him since. We can only assume he's gone for good...Until the next time he reappears. ;)
Kenzuki 02-04-08, 04:30 PM	The Realmslore article Ironfang Keep (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071107a&authentic=true) provides a few more details about Haask, Voice of Hargut. That article rocked by sheer virtue of it giving more lore on the Dead Three. Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul rock!
Fabius Maximus 02-05-08, 11:31 AM	Thyranthraxus reared his ugly head again in 'Curse of the Azure Bonds'. What happened to him after that I don't know.
Lord Karsus 02-05-08, 01:57 PM	Thyranthraxus reared his ugly head again in 'Curse of the Azure Bonds'. What happened to him after that I don't know. -Wasn't that before Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor? If not, either way, he hasn't reappeared since the last time he was defeated.
Kenzuki 02-05-08, 07:17 PM	There is actually a picture of Borem in the Grand History of the Realms. He looks pretty cool. Well for a giant made of mud anyway. I liked the little story that went along with it about Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul coming along and "saving the day". It almost paints them out to be heroes hehe. Imagine Bane the Hero!
Bullet06320 02-06-08, 05:03 AM	There is actually a picture of Borem in the Grand History of the Realms. He looks pretty cool. Well for a giant made of mud anyway. I liked the little story that went along with it about Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul coming along and "saving the day". It almost paints them out to be heroes hehe. Imagine Bane the Hero! They were hero's, at least to themselves
Fabius Maximus 02-06-08, 08:01 AM	-Wasn't that before Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor? If not, either way, he hasn't reappeared since the last time he was defeated. Yes, it was. But T. wasn't in the second PoR-game, as far as I know.
Lord Karsus 02-06-08, 12:17 PM	Yes, it was. But T. wasn't in the second PoR-game, as far as I know. -Thyranthraxus appears as the 'ultimate' villian in the novelization of Pool of Radiance: Myth Drannor.
Fabius Maximus 02-07-08, 06:19 AM	Ah, ok. The game is so bad, I didn't want to have anything to do with stuff related to it.
Lord Karsus 02-07-08, 04:02 PM	Ah, ok. The game is so bad, I didn't want to have anything to do with stuff related to it. -Never played it, so...
XHereticX 02-09-08, 11:12 AM	Hmm, were these even gods, because Tyranthraxus just seemed like some sort of shapeshifting abberation to me.
Old Sage 02-09-08, 06:49 PM	According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower. Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten.
Kenzuki 02-09-08, 09:26 PM	So they were just demigods then.
XHereticX 02-09-08, 09:43 PM	According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower. Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten. I see, but Tyranthraxus didn't even seem to possess a demigod's power.
MarkusTay63 02-09-08, 11:25 PM	First off, they probably were once far more powerful, back in primordial times, but without any new worshippers, they have become diminished, down to the level of demi-powers. I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others.
XHereticX 02-09-08, 11:30 PM	First off, they probably were once far more powerful, back in primordial times, but without any new worshippers, they have become diminished, down to the level of demi-powers. I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others. Unfortunatly ,she is as dead as dead can be (kind of hard to come back after Talona has you for afternoon tea). I also repeat that the Tyranthraxus the shapechanger in the campaigns is nowhere near even a demipower in power.
18DELTA 02-10-08, 12:06 AM	According to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement [which I linked to earlier], Tyranthraxus is a demipower. Curiously, the term "Seven Lost Gods" has its roots in antiquity. It more properly refers to seven demipowers that bowed down before Bane long ago: Maram of the Great Spear, Haask the Voice of Hargut, the Flamed One, Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud, Camnod the Unseen, and two whose names have been forgotten. -That is just AWESOME!!!:cool: Maybe they are the "Lost Gods of Abeir"?;) 18DELTA:P
Lord Karsus 02-10-08, 12:12 AM	-That is just AWESOME!!!:cool: Maybe they are the "Lost Gods of Abeir"?;) 18DELTA:P -See This (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=966630) thread on some musings about that.
The Ubbergeek 02-10-08, 12:28 AM	I also repeat that the Tyranthraxus the shapechanger in the campaigns is nowhere near even a demipower in power. Maybe he degenerated beyond godhood, gaining a sort of undeath... not sure if it would be possible. Or he was actually a Proxy, Planescape-style?
MarkusTay63 02-10-08, 12:37 AM	I was thinking something along those lines as well, especially the one named "Haask the Voice of Hargut". Perhaps these seven were just avatars of Far Realmsian powers that got 'trapped' here when Abeir was split off from Toril? Maybe Hargut is one of the Lords of Madness? Either way, you can't really judge the power level of a FR NPC by how it is represented in a video game, most especially a semi-divine one that is being statted as boss monster. :rolleyes:
MarkusTay63 02-10-08, 12:39 AM	Maybe he degenerated beyond godhood, gaining a sort of undeath... not sure if it would be possible.Should be - Orcus was an undead god... or Demon lord... either way, that shouldn't have been possible, but it was. Wouldn't Velsharoon also fall into that category? Although he was a Lich first, then a god (like Vecna and Mellifleur).
Old Sage 02-10-08, 10:25 AM	I always thought Kiputytto should have been one of these Faerūnian 'Elder Evils' - she's definately qualifies as a lost god - one who seems to have only disappeared within the last thousand years or so, and her portfolio puts her in good company with those others.Kiputytto was killed and absorbed by Talona. See the entry for "Talona" in Faiths & Avatars. I'll note further that, in Ed's original "Down-to-Earth Divinity" from DRAGON #54, Talona is Kiputytto renamed.
ripvanwormer 02-10-08, 12:16 PM	The booklet that came with the Pool of Radiance game had the following information: Journal Entry 19: A black bound tome written in a strange halting hand. ...and settled foremost in the half of Minor Courtiers were the lesser powers: Maram of the Great Spear; Haask, Voice of Hargut; Tyranthraxus the Flamed One; Borem of the Lake of Boiling Mud; and Camnod the Unseen. These too fell down and became servants of the great lord Bane. JOURNAL ENTRY 21: A crumbling old book; one of a massive series. "At this time there ruling the Twisted Ones was a powerful general named Tyranthraxus. He strode before his armies cloaked in flame and led the Riders out of the Waste. At his hand the kingdom of Barze was conquered. Turning south he led his army to conquer the Horreb and the Vane. Tyranthraxus was a cruel man and leveled all that he had taken, murdering the princes of these lands. But the flame that surrounded him consumed him, destroying his body. Freed of its shell, it flew among the men of his army, lighting on each and claiming it. It was then when Baron Schodt imprisoned Tyranthraxus in a vial of water which shone like the light of day. This he sank in the watery depths of Lake Longreach, defeating the armies Tyranthraxus had raised." Ferran speaks: 'The city fell long ago to the unblessed creatures imbued with the might of a magical pool. Chief among these were Tyranthraxus, Edranka, and Torath. With their powers they rules and united all else, driving foward to destroy us all. The Sage Mendor worked hard to gather record of all these things, but they are lost now, his library overrun.' Journal Entry 36: Carefully prepared notes: Note 4: He has fooled me. All this time he has called himself Tyranthraxus the Flamed One. He exhibited his flame, and spoke of deeds attributed to Tyranthraxus. But today, while he did not know I was around, he revealed his true identity. He spoke into the great pool in his lair, I think he spoke to lord Bane himself. And he referred to himself as Maram. Maram, he of the great spear, is also a servant of Bane. Why would my leader use a false name? He hides his true identity from the world, so that they do not research his past and discover his weaknesses. What if he also hides his identity from his closest advisors, so that they also cannot know his true abilities and weaknesses. Anyone who attacked him, thinking to utilize the weaknesses of Tyranthraxus, would be destroyed by the different powers Maram of the Great Spear. My research into Tyranthraxus is now useless. I must scour my records for details concerning Maram of the Great Spear. I have much work to do.
MarkusTay63 02-10-08, 12:16 PM	Kiputytto was killed and absorbed by Talona. See the entry for "Talona" in Faiths & Avatars. I'll note further that, in Ed's original "Down-to-Earth Divinity" from DRAGON #54, Talona is Kiputytto renamed.It would appear, then, that both were parts of the disease/sickness 'archtype', with Talona being Faerūnian in origin, and Kiputytto being an interloper. There is some suggestion in sources that they had an ongoing struggle for many years, which culminated in the Stonelands region, where Talona finally won out over her 'celestial sibling' and absorbed her. Since these 'Elder Lost Gods' appeared to be Faerūnian in origin, and perhaps primordial, then I suppose Kiputytto would not qualify. I just like the idea of all the lost gods having 'gross' portfolios. I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused:
XHereticX 02-10-08, 03:35 PM	Hmm, I just got a new idea. Maybe the Lost Gods are all aspects of Ghaunadaur? Though I am not sure if they are abberation or primordial in origin. If it is the latter, then I would assume they are just archomentals.
Lord Karsus 02-10-08, 03:58 PM	I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused: -Nope. Well, not as of now, anyway. The two might be 'merged' for 4e, who knows... -Interesting research, rip. This confuses me, though, especially since I never played that game: Note 4: He has fooled me. All this time he has called himself Tyranthraxus the Flamed One. He exhibited his flame, and spoke of deeds attributed to Tyranthraxus. But today, while he did not know I was around, he revealed his true identity. He spoke into the great pool in his lair, I think he spoke to lord Bane himself. And he referred to himself as Maram. Maram, he of the great spear, is also a servant of Bane. Why would my leader use a false name? He hides his true identity from the world, so that they do not research his past and discover his weaknesses. What if he also hides his identity from his closest advisors, so that they also cannot know his true abilities and weaknesses. Anyone who attacked him, thinking to utilize the weaknesses of Tyranthraxus, would be destroyed by the different powers Maram of the Great Spear. My research into Tyranthraxus is now useless. I must scour my records for details concerning Maram of the Great Spear. I have much work to do. -So, Tyranthraxus and Maram are one entity now? Was whoever it was just using a fake name, as alluded to?
Old Sage 02-10-08, 08:35 PM	I suppose Moander would have to make the list then, but isn't he an aspect of Ghaunadaur? :confused:You may have confused this with the details about Ghaunadaur assuming both of the aspects of the Faceless Lord and the otherwise unnamed Elder Elemental God [neither of the latter two powers is active in the Realms] within the crystal sphere of Realmspace.
ripvanwormer 02-12-08, 02:13 AM	-So, Tyranthraxus and Maram are one entity now? Was whoever it was just using a fake name, as alluded to? It sounds like the villain of the Pool of Radiance game was actually Maram disguising himself as Tyranthraxus and mimicking Tyranthraxus' powers without actually having any of Tyranthraxus' weaknesses. Who knows where the real Tyranthraxus was during all of this. Perhaps he was off somewhere disguising himself as Maram. That is, if the in-character narrator was right. Perhaps he was Tyranthraxus after all, deliberately confusing the eavesdropper by pretending to speak to Bane. It's interesting that this was hinted at and never mentioned again. I'm guessing it was a way to provide some wiggle room so that "Tyranthraxus" (actually Maram) could reappear after seemingly being defeated later on.
Meldread 02-12-08, 03:04 AM	Frankly, I think Tyranthraxus has the potential to be an awesome addition to any game. However, ignoring what will happen in 4E I would love to see Tyranthraxus possess Szass Tam and for them to merge into one personality. Imagine: Szass Tam, the Flaming Lich, Ruler of All of Thay. Imagine the possibilities. :P Boost Szass up to level 65 and watch the Simbul wet her bed. ;) Szass Tam - The Flaming Lich King
Lord Karsus 02-12-08, 03:14 AM	Szass Tam - The Flaming Lich King -It'd be hard to say his name with the stereotypical 'flaming gay' lisp. ;)
Meldread 02-12-08, 03:33 AM	Damn you, Karsus! Don't crush my idea of a flaming lich. :P Szass Tam, the Blazing Lich King Szass Tam, the Immortal Blaze Szass Tam, the Conflagrant Lich Szass Tam, the Ignited Lord of Thay I looked up Tyranthraxus in the Villain's Lore Book (free download from the Wizard's site). It details his special powers and abilities and gives some background.