Who will you worship now that Helm is gone? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Who will you worship now that Helm is gone? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Hans_Kelsen
12-24-07, 08:57 AM Now that the Watcher is dead, under circumstances I don´t completely understand, who will you worship?

The only option for me is going underground, like those Amanauthor priests, no way I´m helping those do-goody Tormites!

By the way, where is Helm´s death depicted?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
12-24-07, 09:17 AM Helm isn't dead--not in MY Realms.

We learned about Helm's death, among many other things, in the Grand History of the Realms.
Hans_Kelsen
12-24-07, 09:55 AM I´m kinda sad that Helm is gone, but now I´ve got an excuse for being a bitter overpowered Cleric of Doom...
msatran
12-24-07, 10:02 AM Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die.
Alkasyn
12-24-07, 10:08 AM Funny, I've thought of it myself. I was a priest of helm/warpriest, and among others had a Paladin of Tyr in my party. I wonder how I'd react if I was informed his God killed my God. Anyway, to answer the question - I'd probably end with being a cleric altogether, and spent the rest of my days mourning the Watcher. Or I'd turn against the church of Tyr, blaming them for my misery.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
12-24-07, 10:53 AM Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die.

Well, it's highly likely that Tyr really will bow out for 4E, thanks to that famous post by Greenknight (see Rich Baker's thread).:)
sfdragon
12-24-07, 01:51 PM I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e.....

anyway, my aasimar paladin of mystra went to bahamut
my human paladin of helm went to bahamut as well.

any and all elven palainds went to corellon larethian
Kenzuki
12-24-07, 02:10 PM Well Torm and Helm were pretty good friends right? So I hope they have Torm challenge Tyr over this whole issue to settle it. I sure as heck wouldn't just stand by and let my boss kill my friend over something so stupid as a chick he's too afraid to woo on his own. I mean Helm didn't really DO anything with or to Tymora did he?
GreenKnight
12-24-07, 02:53 PM WARNING! EGO STROKING AHEAD!

I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e.....

I accept this nomination!

GREEN KNIGHT (DEMIGOD)
Lord of the Quest
Symbol: Green helm enclosed within a circle composed of leaves
Alignment: Lawful Good
Portfolio: Loyalty, Obedience, Chivalry, Quests
Favored Weapon: Greataxe

Me like! Only question is, what's his origin? Is this a former mortal Paladin who worshipped Torm, and discovered the location of Chalsembyr? or is this the son of Torm and the Red Knight? ;)

Well, it's highly likely that Tyr really will bow out for 4E, thanks to that famous post by Greenknight (see Rich Baker's thread). :)

Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :)
MerrikCale
12-24-07, 04:29 PM Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :)

you know you love it
GreenKnight
12-24-07, 04:39 PM Have you met my ego?

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/137/137974/folders/282231/2261163ego.jpg
Dark Wizard
12-24-07, 05:28 PM :heehee

On topic - with the Servant of the Fallen feat - Helm all the way.
Kenzuki
12-25-07, 12:57 AM Servant of the Fallen is a wonderful feat, I've used it for serving Bhaal before and it's a great angle.

A child of Torm and Red Knight would be pretty cool.
Lord Karsus
12-25-07, 03:56 AM -Karsus! Karsus! Worship Karsus!
sfdragon
12-25-07, 04:16 AM WARNING! EGO STROKING AHEAD!

I accept this nomination!

Me like! Only question is, what's his origin? Is this a former mortal Paladin who worshipped Torm, and discovered the location of Chalsembyr? or is this the son of Torm and the Red Knight? ;)

Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :)
why not both
Lord Karsus
12-25-07, 04:20 AM why not both

-The GreenKnight, son of Torm and Red Knight was born. Growing up, he was often a divine "doofus", since I can't use a word that begins with 'D', and rhymes with 'ickhead'. Thus, one day, Torm got angry, and petitioned Ao to take away his divinity. Ao agreed to the petition, and did so, citing Torm's reasoning. To reclaim it, Torm said through Ao as his proxy, the mortal GreenKnight needed to become a valourous and virtuous person, questing to find the the ruins of the mythical kingdom of Chalsembyr. Assembling a host of like-minded beings of good, the mortal GreenKnight did just this- reclaiming his divinity, as well as that of Tyr's, and changing his entire outlook on life in the process.
GreenKnight
12-25-07, 10:33 AM God damn it. There's a self-depricating joke in there, somewhere, but I can't think of one. :( (Rolled a 1 on my "Crack Wise" skill check) Which is a shame, because I am both a doofus and a d*ckhead. :D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
12-25-07, 01:59 PM Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :)

I'm so glad.:D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
12-25-07, 01:59 PM -Karsus! Karsus! Worship Karsus!

Don't worry. I'll save plenty of worship for you too.:)
Hans_Kelsen
12-25-07, 02:25 PM However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat...featwise, I´d worship the Green Knight, but as he is Lawful Good I still can´t make up my mind.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
12-25-07, 02:37 PM However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat...

But he's not fallen...he's right here.:)
johnkretzer
12-25-07, 02:39 PM Now that the Watcher is dead, under circumstances I don´t completely understand, who will you worship?

The only option for me is going underground, like those Amanauthor priests, no way I´m helping those do-goody Tormites!

By the way, where is Helm´s death depicted?

I'll stick with Helm...worshipping a god is more central to me then getting spells or other rewards.
Lord Karsus
12-25-07, 03:38 PM Don't worry. I'll save plenty of worship for you too.:)

-Excellent. :embarrass

However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat...featwise, I´d worship the Green Knight, but as he is Lawful Good I still can´t make up my mind.

-What am I, chopped liver over here!?
Storm_Silverhand
12-25-07, 05:18 PM Heya,

Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die.

Why must Tymora die? :weep:
Lord Karsus
12-25-07, 06:22 PM Why must Tymora die? :weep:

-At this point, the same reason Kenny always dies.
MarkusTay63
12-25-07, 06:39 PM Well, if we go with the 4e logic that all 'lesser' gods are just 'fragments' of greater gods - almost like more powerful Avatars - then the rest of the "suit of Armor" must have also been among Tyr's minions.

So Gauntlet, Greaves, Breastplate, etc... should all still be floating around somewhere. :P

Although now, they'll all have to bow down to Torm.

BTW, I love that pic of EGO, Greenknight.

You know, I was only joking at first, but some of those would make an interesting "War Pantheon". :D
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus
12-26-07, 02:03 AM I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e.....

anyway, my aasimar paladin of mystra went to bahamut
my human paladin of helm went to bahamut as well.

any and all elven palainds went to corellon larethian
Can that be done? Paladin of Corellon Larethian
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 02:18 AM Can that be done? Paladin of Corellon Larethian

-Technically? No.

-There is a PrC- 'The Champion of Corellon Larethian' that is very much like an Elven Paladin, however.
sfdragon
12-26-07, 02:19 AM now that is a good question.

if they could make Sune to have paladins, they could use the same escuse for CL.
nobody would be able to tell an elven paladin of CL from a fighter who worships him.

and in 4e in might be possible since the alignment trash was thrown out
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 02:26 AM if they could make Sune to have paladins, they could use the same escuse for CL.

-They could, but 3e has been here, what, eight years now, and they never did.

nobody would be able to tell an elven paladin of CL from a fighter who worships him.

-Mostly. Those close to this individual might wonder where his/her healing capabilities are, though.

and in 4e in might be possible since the alignment trash was thrown out

-Well, in 4e, the term 'Paladin' is being stretched to fit any alignment, so in 4e, it's all good.
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus
12-26-07, 03:16 AM -Well, in 4e, the term 'Paladin' is being stretched to fit any alignment, so in 4e, it's all good.

:yuck: Don't remmind me
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 03:37 AM :yuck: Don't remmind me

-Come on! If you can't face the enemy, how can you defeat it!
Karsus the Mad
12-26-07, 08:50 AM -Come on! If you can't face the enemy, how can you defeat it!
By using an infinite range spell of course.
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 09:01 AM By using an infinite range spell of course.

-You'd still be facing the enemy.
Hans_Kelsen
12-26-07, 06:27 PM -Excellent. :embarrass

-What am I, chopped liver over here!?It depends...will grant the Fertility domain?(I´ll never forget those spells....Turn Crotch to Lava..ahah)
Lord Karsus
12-26-07, 11:48 PM It depends...will grant the Fertility domain?(I´ll never forget those spells....Turn Crotch to Lava..ahah)

-Eh, I'll take it.
msatran
12-28-07, 07:43 PM You mean as opposed to Brain to a**?
Karsus the Mad
12-28-07, 07:52 PM -You'd still be facing the enemy.
Uhhh...nope. It's an infinate range spell. you don't need to know where the target is. You simply need to know they exist:)
Stigger
12-28-07, 07:57 PM Don't worry about facing, we're probably getting rid of that in 4e anyway...
Lord Karsus
12-29-07, 01:15 AM -Mmm, good point.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Hans_Kelsen 12-24-07, 08:57 AM	Now that the Watcher is dead, under circumstances I don´t completely understand, who will you worship? The only option for me is going underground, like those Amanauthor priests, no way I´m helping those do-goody Tormites! By the way, where is Helm´s death depicted?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-24-07, 09:17 AM	Helm isn't dead--not in MY Realms. We learned about Helm's death, among many other things, in the Grand History of the Realms.
Hans_Kelsen 12-24-07, 09:55 AM	I´m kinda sad that Helm is gone, but now I´ve got an excuse for being a bitter overpowered Cleric of Doom...
msatran 12-24-07, 10:02 AM	Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die.
Alkasyn 12-24-07, 10:08 AM	Funny, I've thought of it myself. I was a priest of helm/warpriest, and among others had a Paladin of Tyr in my party. I wonder how I'd react if I was informed his God killed my God. Anyway, to answer the question - I'd probably end with being a cleric altogether, and spent the rest of my days mourning the Watcher. Or I'd turn against the church of Tyr, blaming them for my misery.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-24-07, 10:53 AM	Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die. Well, it's highly likely that Tyr really will bow out for 4E, thanks to that famous post by Greenknight (see Rich Baker's thread).:)
sfdragon 12-24-07, 01:51 PM	I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e..... anyway, my aasimar paladin of mystra went to bahamut my human paladin of helm went to bahamut as well. any and all elven palainds went to corellon larethian
Kenzuki 12-24-07, 02:10 PM	Well Torm and Helm were pretty good friends right? So I hope they have Torm challenge Tyr over this whole issue to settle it. I sure as heck wouldn't just stand by and let my boss kill my friend over something so stupid as a chick he's too afraid to woo on his own. I mean Helm didn't really DO anything with or to Tymora did he?
GreenKnight 12-24-07, 02:53 PM	WARNING! EGO STROKING AHEAD! I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e..... I accept this nomination! GREEN KNIGHT (DEMIGOD) Lord of the Quest Symbol: Green helm enclosed within a circle composed of leaves Alignment: Lawful Good Portfolio: Loyalty, Obedience, Chivalry, Quests Favored Weapon: Greataxe Me like! Only question is, what's his origin? Is this a former mortal Paladin who worshipped Torm, and discovered the location of Chalsembyr? or is this the son of Torm and the Red Knight? ;) Well, it's highly likely that Tyr really will bow out for 4E, thanks to that famous post by Greenknight (see Rich Baker's thread). :) Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :)
MerrikCale 12-24-07, 04:29 PM	Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :) you know you love it
GreenKnight 12-24-07, 04:39 PM	Have you met my ego? http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/137/137974/folders/282231/2261163ego.jpg
Dark Wizard 12-24-07, 05:28 PM	:heehee On topic - with the Servant of the Fallen feat - Helm all the way.
Kenzuki 12-25-07, 12:57 AM	Servant of the Fallen is a wonderful feat, I've used it for serving Bhaal before and it's a great angle. A child of Torm and Red Knight would be pretty cool.
Lord Karsus 12-25-07, 03:56 AM	-Karsus! Karsus! Worship Karsus!
sfdragon 12-25-07, 04:16 AM	WARNING! EGO STROKING AHEAD! I accept this nomination! Me like! Only question is, what's his origin? Is this a former mortal Paladin who worshipped Torm, and discovered the location of Chalsembyr? or is this the son of Torm and the Red Knight? ;) Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :) why not both
Lord Karsus 12-25-07, 04:20 AM	why not both -The GreenKnight, son of Torm and Red Knight was born. Growing up, he was often a divine "doofus", since I can't use a word that begins with 'D', and rhymes with 'ickhead'. Thus, one day, Torm got angry, and petitioned Ao to take away his divinity. Ao agreed to the petition, and did so, citing Torm's reasoning. To reclaim it, Torm said through Ao as his proxy, the mortal GreenKnight needed to become a valourous and virtuous person, questing to find the the ruins of the mythical kingdom of Chalsembyr. Assembling a host of like-minded beings of good, the mortal GreenKnight did just this- reclaiming his divinity, as well as that of Tyr's, and changing his entire outlook on life in the process.
GreenKnight 12-25-07, 10:33 AM	God damn it. There's a self-depricating joke in there, somewhere, but I can't think of one. :( (Rolled a 1 on my "Crack Wise" skill check) Which is a shame, because I am both a doofus and a d*ckhead. :D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-25-07, 01:59 PM	Knock it off, Rinonalyrna. You're making me blush. :) I'm so glad.:D
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-25-07, 01:59 PM	-Karsus! Karsus! Worship Karsus! Don't worry. I'll save plenty of worship for you too.:)
Hans_Kelsen 12-25-07, 02:25 PM	However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat...featwise, I´d worship the Green Knight, but as he is Lawful Good I still can´t make up my mind.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 12-25-07, 02:37 PM	However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat... But he's not fallen...he's right here.:)
johnkretzer 12-25-07, 02:39 PM	Now that the Watcher is dead, under circumstances I don´t completely understand, who will you worship? The only option for me is going underground, like those Amanauthor priests, no way I´m helping those do-goody Tormites! By the way, where is Helm´s death depicted? I'll stick with Helm...worshipping a god is more central to me then getting spells or other rewards.
Lord Karsus 12-25-07, 03:38 PM	Don't worry. I'll save plenty of worship for you too.:) -Excellent. :embarrass However, worshiping Karsus requires the Servant of the Fallen feat...featwise, I´d worship the Green Knight, but as he is Lawful Good I still can´t make up my mind. -What am I, chopped liver over here!?
Storm_Silverhand 12-25-07, 05:18 PM	Heya, Yeah. Hoar the Doombringer would be my choice. Tyr must die. Tymora must die. Why must Tymora die? :weep:
Lord Karsus 12-25-07, 06:22 PM	Why must Tymora die? :weep: -At this point, the same reason Kenny always dies.
MarkusTay63 12-25-07, 06:39 PM	Well, if we go with the 4e logic that all 'lesser' gods are just 'fragments' of greater gods - almost like more powerful Avatars - then the rest of the "suit of Armor" must have also been among Tyr's minions. So Gauntlet, Greaves, Breastplate, etc... should all still be floating around somewhere. :P Although now, they'll all have to bow down to Torm. BTW, I love that pic of EGO, Greenknight. You know, I was only joking at first, but some of those would make an interesting "War Pantheon". :D
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 12-26-07, 02:03 AM	I nominate Greenknight for godhood for the realms in 4e..... anyway, my aasimar paladin of mystra went to bahamut my human paladin of helm went to bahamut as well. any and all elven palainds went to corellon larethian Can that be done? Paladin of Corellon Larethian
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 02:18 AM	Can that be done? Paladin of Corellon Larethian -Technically? No. -There is a PrC- 'The Champion of Corellon Larethian' that is very much like an Elven Paladin, however.
sfdragon 12-26-07, 02:19 AM	now that is a good question. if they could make Sune to have paladins, they could use the same escuse for CL. nobody would be able to tell an elven paladin of CL from a fighter who worships him. and in 4e in might be possible since the alignment trash was thrown out
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 02:26 AM	if they could make Sune to have paladins, they could use the same escuse for CL. -They could, but 3e has been here, what, eight years now, and they never did. nobody would be able to tell an elven paladin of CL from a fighter who worships him. -Mostly. Those close to this individual might wonder where his/her healing capabilities are, though. and in 4e in might be possible since the alignment trash was thrown out -Well, in 4e, the term 'Paladin' is being stretched to fit any alignment, so in 4e, it's all good.
Ody_Saraph_of_Karsus 12-26-07, 03:16 AM	-Well, in 4e, the term 'Paladin' is being stretched to fit any alignment, so in 4e, it's all good. :yuck: Don't remmind me
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 03:37 AM	:yuck: Don't remmind me -Come on! If you can't face the enemy, how can you defeat it!
Karsus the Mad 12-26-07, 08:50 AM	-Come on! If you can't face the enemy, how can you defeat it! By using an infinite range spell of course.
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 09:01 AM	By using an infinite range spell of course. -You'd still be facing the enemy.
Hans_Kelsen 12-26-07, 06:27 PM	-Excellent. :embarrass -What am I, chopped liver over here!?It depends...will grant the Fertility domain?(I´ll never forget those spells....Turn Crotch to Lava..ahah)
Lord Karsus 12-26-07, 11:48 PM	It depends...will grant the Fertility domain?(I´ll never forget those spells....Turn Crotch to Lava..ahah) -Eh, I'll take it.
msatran 12-28-07, 07:43 PM	You mean as opposed to Brain to a**?
Karsus the Mad 12-28-07, 07:52 PM	-You'd still be facing the enemy. Uhhh...nope. It's an infinate range spell. you don't need to know where the target is. You simply need to know they exist:)
Stigger 12-28-07, 07:57 PM	Don't worry about facing, we're probably getting rid of that in 4e anyway...
Lord Karsus 12-29-07, 01:15 AM	-Mmm, good point.